Re: [ql-users] Perfection
If Freddie Vaccha gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, then why can't it be released eh - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection - Original Message - From: Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection . Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating supervisor professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the ql-archive will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-) For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of the search code (in PHP). Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of the archiving, but in the practical. I am not sure that the people who raised this issue 2 months ago were all talking about the same thing. Pity there was no proper discussion of this at the time. Practical problems are for example: 1: How do you make a complete inventory of all the QL software, both PD and commercial, that has ever been published? This first stage could occupy a team for months on end. 2: How do you contact the copyright holders and/or authors when there is no up to date contact information? Specifically how would you solve the QLiberator problem. 3: How do you sort out complicated copyright questions? For example Freddy V gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, but not Spellchecker. Or think of the situation with the EasyPtr upgrade. 4: How do you cope with the anal retention problem, where an author refuses to release or modify code? (e.g. the Text87 problem.) If we are really serious about a software archive, then it should not be a one man effort, but a team looking at these problems. Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection
Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the one he created. Mark and Dave have done considerable work on the version I have, and in the pure and simple interest of good manners, i feel it would be unfair to distribute it until I hear from them. I'm sure it would be fine, but lets just say I have incurred Marks fury on one occasion before, and I don't want to go there again. Mark never told me the status of the upgraded version he gave me - was it to be charityware, cardware, freeware, shareware or what. I'm not going to release something into the PD unless I'm sure thats what the author(s) wanted done with it. The majority of it is Freddy's work, sure, but some of the code in there is Marks. I sent an email to the address Dilwyn provided, but it bounced back... So, unless someone has a newer email or phone number for Mark (or Dave), well... Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.q-v-d.com 07/10/2004 10:46 Please respond to ql-users If Freddie Vaccha gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, then why can't it be released eh - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection - Original Message - From: Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection . Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating supervisor professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the ql-archive will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-) For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of the search code (in PHP). Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of the archiving, but in the practical. I am not sure that the people who raised this issue 2 months ago were all talking about the same thing. Pity there was no proper discussion of this at the time. Practical problems are for example: 1: How do you make a complete inventory of all the QL software, both PD and commercial, that has ever been published? This first stage could occupy a team for months on end. 2: How do you contact the copyright holders and/or authors when there is no up to date contact information? Specifically how would you solve the QLiberator problem. 3: How do you sort out complicated copyright questions? For example Freddy V gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, but not Spellchecker. Or think of the situation with the EasyPtr upgrade. 4: How do you cope with the anal retention problem, where an author refuses to release or modify code? (e.g. the Text87 problem.) If we are really serious about a software archive, then it should not be a one man effort, but a team looking at these problems. Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [ql-users] Perfection
Darren, you are missing my point.. If DP released the original PERFECTION as freeware, then why isn't THAT version available? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the one he created. Mark and Dave have done considerable work on the version I have, and in the pure and simple interest of good manners, i feel it would be unfair to distribute it until I hear from them. I'm sure it would be fine, but lets just say I have incurred Marks fury on one occasion before, and I don't want to go there again. Mark never told me the status of the upgraded version he gave me - was it to be charityware, cardware, freeware, shareware or what. I'm not going to release something into the PD unless I'm sure thats what the author(s) wanted done with it. The majority of it is Freddy's work, sure, but some of the code in there is Marks. I sent an email to the address Dilwyn provided, but it bounced back... So, unless someone has a newer email or phone number for Mark (or Dave), well... Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.q-v-d.com 07/10/2004 10:46 Please respond to ql-users If Freddie Vaccha gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, then why can't it be released eh - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection - Original Message - From: Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection . Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating supervisor professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the ql-archive will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-) For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of the search code (in PHP). Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of the archiving, but in the practical. I am not sure that the people who raised this issue 2 months ago were all talking about the same thing. Pity there was no proper discussion of this at the time. Practical problems are for example: 1: How do you make a complete inventory of all the QL software, both PD and commercial, that has ever been published? This first stage could occupy a team for months on end. 2: How do you contact the copyright holders and/or authors when there is no up to date contact information? Specifically how would you solve the QLiberator problem. 3: How do you sort out complicated copyright questions? For example Freddy V gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, but not Spellchecker. Or think of the situation with the EasyPtr upgrade. 4: How do you cope with the anal retention problem, where an author refuses to release or modify code? (e.g. the Text87 problem.) If we are really serious about a software archive, then it should not be a one man effort, but a team looking at these problems. Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection
Oh... Sorry!! I had thought it was available, just the hi-res screen version that wasn't. Dilwyn - is it in your PD library?? Calling Dave GIlham. cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.q-v-d.com 07/10/2004 16:50 Please respond to ql-users Darren, you are missing my point.. If DP released the original PERFECTION as freeware, then why isn't THAT version available? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the one he created. Mark and Dave have done considerable work on the version I have, and in the pure and simple interest of good manners, i feel it would be unfair to distribute it until I hear from them. I'm sure it would be fine, but lets just say I have incurred Marks fury on one occasion before, and I don't want to go there again. Mark never told me the status of the upgraded version he gave me - was it to be charityware, cardware, freeware, shareware or what. I'm not going to release something into the PD unless I'm sure thats what the author(s) wanted done with it. The majority of it is Freddy's work, sure, but some of the code in there is Marks. I sent an email to the address Dilwyn provided, but it bounced back... So, unless someone has a newer email or phone number for Mark (or Dave), well... Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.q-v-d.com 07/10/2004 10:46 Please respond to ql-users If Freddie Vaccha gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, then why can't it be released eh - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection - Original Message - From: Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection . Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating supervisor professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the ql-archive will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-) For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of the search code (in PHP). Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of the
Re: [ql-users] Perfection
Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:54:19 +0100,() [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: Oh... Sorry!! I had thought it was available, just the hi-res screen version that wasn't. Dilwyn - is it in your PD library?? If it isn't I would be glad to provide it :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection
Darren, you are missing my point.. If DP released the original PERFECTION as freeware, then why isn't THAT version available? Oh... Sorry!! I had thought it was available, just the hi-res screen version that wasn't. Dilwyn - is it in your PD library?? No. I only have an older Perfection Demo. I have the source files for other DP and PDQL software that Chas Dillon kindly released, these are on the QL Emulators CD, for example, I'll put them onto the Software Download Site now I have more space available. I need to check I have the latest Editor too. Last phone number I had for Mark Knight was 020-8932 6987 if anyone wants to try that, now we know the other email address is not working. The only other email address I had for him was [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't managed to contact him on this, if anyone can, and we get the right to distribute it freely (the Mark Knighted version that is), I'll certainly make it available via PD library and my website. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection
Im not quite sure if that was a sarcastic aside?? I thought it was a genuine observation. It seems to me that the QL WORLD is getting too elitist and forgetting the bottom of the heap, you know, the ordinary users. No wonder QL users are leaving in a steady trickle for Mr Gates world when our experts act too aloof. Point in mind, apart from Perfection, which I now believe is a lost cause - I purchased (yes, purchased) an update from Qbranch of Datadesign for the high colour drivers. It don't work past the first filter level. Report it to Roy Wood, who duly said he would report the findings to the author/updater To date, no reply, no nothing. I am now a few quid out of pocket with something worse than the thing it was perported to update! Roy says he has had no feedback from whoever supposedly updated the code. Why?. I have been with my QL, Aurora and ultimately my Q40 since 1985. It is beginning to feel like its time to move on and leave Qdos/Smsq/e to all of you elitists - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection Oh... Sorry!! I had thought it was available, just the hi-res screen version that wasn't. Dilwyn - is it in your PD library?? Calling Dave GIlham. cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.q-v-d.com 07/10/2004 16:50 Please respond to ql-users Darren, you are missing my point.. If DP released the original PERFECTION as freeware, then why isn't THAT version available? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the one he created. Mark and Dave have done considerable work on the version I have, and in the pure and simple interest of good manners, i feel it would be unfair to distribute it until I hear from them. I'm sure it would be fine, but lets just say I have incurred Marks fury on one occasion before, and I don't want to go there again. Mark never told me the status of the upgraded version he gave me - was it to be charityware, cardware, freeware, shareware or what. I'm not going to release something into the PD unless I'm sure thats what the author(s) wanted done with it. The majority of it is Freddy's work, sure, but some of the code in there is Marks. I sent an email to the address Dilwyn provided, but it bounced back... So, unless someone has a newer email or phone number for Mark (or Dave), well... Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by:Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.q-v-d.com 07/10/2004 10:46 Please respond to ql-users If Freddie Vaccha gave permission for Perfection to become freeware, then why can't it be released eh - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection - Original Message - From: Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection . Not entirely true :-) I submitted that idea to my graduating supervisor professor at the uni and I was approved :-) That means that the ql-archive will be a reality (that is if I want to graduate in December ;-) For status now: I am finished with the database structure and most of the search code (in PHP). Glad to hear this, but I am not so interested in the technical side of the archiving, but in the practical. I am not sure that the people who raised this issue 2 months ago were all talking about the same thing. Pity there was no proper discussion of this at the time. Practical problems are for example: 1: How do you make a complete inventory of all the QL software, both PD and commercial, that has ever been published? This first stage could occupy a team for months on end. 2: How do you contact the copyright holders
[ql-users] Assembler Workbench (Talent)
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