Strange problem
Have a strange case.. On our mail server we have a virtual domain under a user. the .qmail-default file says ./Maildir/ so all the mail goes to there...then i push the mail to those people when their online with maildirsmtp (they have a linux dial up router with qmail on it). this works great..but now they have established another office...so i installed another linux dial up router with qmail for them...and since they only are 4 employees..i created their .qmail-names on our mail server, with ./Maildir2/ also push to them... Now the problem appears..since both the dial up qmail's are configured for the same domain name i cant send mail from office to office... on the last office with 4 employees, i put our main mail server as smtp server in their mail programs..but on the other office there is alot of users..and they want to have their local mail..they dont want to send their mail trough our server...and then wait for it to be delivered back to them... anyone have a solution for how i fix this? Tore
Re: Strange problem
First give the two servers different locals. > On our mail server we have a virtual domain under a user. If you use a virtual domain anyway you can put the 4 user addresses into virtualdomains too. I didn't test if this takes precedence over the domain, but you may try it. Else there is still the qmail-users mechanism. Regards, Frank
www.ezmlm.org
All, Does anyone know what has happened to www.ezmlm.org Has it been moved? Is there a mirror anywhere which I can have a look at? Thank you, M __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com
vpopmail vs. qpopper
hi, are their significant differences between vpopmail and qpopper ? i heard rumours saying qpopper is a big security hole ?? -- jens --- department computer science, university of dortmund linux ... life's too short for reboots!
Re: vpopmail vs. qpopper
At 10:00 AM 6/8/00 +0200, Jens Georg wrote: >hi, > >are their significant differences between vpopmail and qpopper ? i heard >rumours saying qpopper is a big security hole ?? I think you compare orange with onion you should compare qmail-pop3d with qpopper I think. because vpopmail is NOT a pop3 daemon.
Re:Re:Strange problem
>First give the two servers different locals. They have domain.com both in locals..but different hostname.domain.com in locals..? >If you use a virtual domain anyway you can put the 4 user addresses >into virtualdomains too. I didn't test if this takes precedence over the >domain, but you may try it. hmm..my problem comes when one office should send to the other..their local mailserver treat the mail as local and cant find the user..since they have the same domain..? dont understand your souloution?? Regards Tore
Re: vpopmail vs. qpopper
At 10:09 AM 6/8/00 +0200, you wrote: >hi irwan, > > > I think you compare orange with onion > > you should compare qmail-pop3d with qpopper I think. > > because vpopmail is NOT a pop3 daemon. > >oops! ok, then, can you explain to me, what vpopmail really is ? http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail/FAQ vpopmail is a collection of programs to automate creation and maintence of non /etc/passwd virutal domain email and pop accounts for qmail installations. Without additional software like courier-IMAP for IMAP service, or qmail-pop3d for POP3 daemon, or sqwebmail for webmail, how can users fetch their mail from server ? Thats means, as qpopper is the POP 3 daemon, you have to compare it with another POP 3 daemon too, like cuci-pop, qmail-pop3d, solid-pop, etc.
Re: www.ezmlm.org
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 12:41:54AM -0700, mwangu wrote: > All, > > Does anyone know what has happened to www.ezmlm.org > > Has it been moved? Is there a mirror anywhere which I > can have a look at? http://ezmlm.x42.com/ /magnus
qmail Digest 8 Jun 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1026
qmail Digest 8 Jun 2000 10:00:01 - Issue 1026 Topics (messages 42824 through 42876): Re: Suggestion for mailing list manager? 42824 by: clemensF 42825 by: clemensF dot-qmail extensions ... 42826 by: mwangu 42827 by: Ondrej Sury 42834 by: Russell Nelson Re: thousands of qmail-queue processes hanging... 42828 by: TAG 42865 by: TAG Re: pop3 / tcpserver problems 42829 by: clemensF Re: tcpserver: unable to bind 42830 by: Luca Zancan 42857 by: clemensF Re: server load problem 42831 by: Greg Owen 42837 by: kapil sharma 42844 by: Greg Owen Re: Does someone knows what is this about? 42832 by: Russell Nelson another set of q's 42833 by: Judy Simon Script Required 42835 by: System Administrator 42839 by: Erwin Hoffmann 42854 by: Noel Mistula Re: Setting default domain for outgoing mail on a per user basis 42836 by: Russell Nelson Re: qmail-ldap error message!! 42838 by: Patrick Ohiomoba Re: qmail+maildrop+amavis 42840 by: Rainer Link 42841 by: Nuno Ferreira 42843 by: Paul Schinder 42850 by: Chris Johnson Can it be done 2 ... 42842 by: Guillermo Villasana Cardoza take II: another set of q's 42845 by: Judy Simon Re: Ok, I'm an idiot... 42846 by: VANTASSLE, GEORDON M. (AIT) qmailanalog and multilog 42847 by: Ken Jones 42848 by: Ronny Haryanto 42864 by: Russell Nelson Duplicates 42849 by: Flemming Funch group email information 42851 by: Bill Parker 42852 by: Chris Johnson Re: Anybody got the RPM for Qmail, pease send me 42853 by: Kapil Nanda Re: Why not inetd? 42855 by: Peter Samuel inetd messages from qmail-popup in syslog 42856 by: duncan Re: Web Tool for qmail 42858 by: List Re: Relaying to different hosts 42859 by: Chris Johnson Virtual Domains and MX Records 42860 by: Andy Coates 42861 by: Chris Johnson 42862 by: Andy Coates sqwebmail with local accounts 42863 by: John Stile 42867 by: Flemming Funch msglog feature 42866 by: Ralf Weber dot-qmail problem with hotmail 42868 by: Orion Strange problem 42869 by: Tore Micaelsen 42870 by: Frank Tegtmeyer www.ezmlm.org 42871 by: mwangu 42876 by: Magnus Bodin vpopmail vs. qpopper 42872 by: Jens Georg 42873 by: Irwan Hadi 42875 by: Irwan Hadi Re:Re:Strange problem 42874 by: Tore Micaelsen Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To bug my human owner, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- > > * GNU Mailman: looks superswell, but I'd rather not have to learn python > > WHAT'S WRONG WITH LEARNING PYTHON yeah! i hate it, too! clemens > Russ Allbery: > > WHAT'S WRONG WITH LEARNING PYTHON > > It's annoying? :) and dots-in-names dont make oo! clemens Dear all, I have been trawling through all the docs I can find trying to find the answer to the question: When I am using dot-qmail extension files to process mail through a script, is there any way to view the output produced by the scripts when they process an e-mail? I desperately need to find the answer to this question so I can complete an upgrade for a system which has recently come into my care. Appreciatively, M __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com mwangu wrote: > > Dear all, > > I have been trawling through all the docs I can find > trying to find the > answer to the question: > > When I am using dot-qmail extension files to process > mail through a > script, is there any way to view the output produced > by the scripts > when > they process an e-mail? > > I desperately need to find the answer to this question > so I can > complete > an upgrade for a system which has recently come into > my care. > > Appreciatively, .qmail-anything |program >tmp/qmail-anything.log 2>&1 is not sufficient? -- Ondřej Surý <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Globe Internet s.r.o. http://globe.cz/ Tel: +420235365000 Fax: +420235365009 Pláničkova 1, 162 00 Praha 6 Mob: +420602667702 ICQ: 24944126 Mapa: http://globe.namape.cz/ Involvement with people is always a very delicate thing -- it requires real maturity to become involved and not get all messed up. -- Bernard Cooke mwangu writes: > When I am using dot-qmail extension files to process mail through a > script, is there any way to view the output produced by the scripts > when they process an e-mail? Anything sent by a program delivery to stdout or stderr ends up
Forwarding catchall acount to multiple Maildirs?
I currently have a catchall account set up and it succesfully delivers to one user. However I would like to have the mail delived to multiple people. I'm not quite sure how to do this. My current .qmail-default is: | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' /home/vpopmail/domains/foo.com/user Thanks in advance, Daniel Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: www.ezmlm.org
also sprach mwangu: > All, > > Does anyone know what has happened to www.ezmlm.org It appears to be on hold by Network Solutions, awaiting payment. :( /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Go not unto the Usenet for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (and quite a few things that just have nothing at all to do with the question). (Seen in a .sig somewhere.)
FW: qmailanalog and multilog
Not using the patches from www.qmail.org, but this works for me Script to convert to a format qmailanalog likes #!/usr/bin/perl while (<>) { if (my($s,$t,$rest)=/^\@.(\w{15})(\w{8})(.*)/) { $s = hex($s); $t = hex($t); $t =~ s/500$//; $_ = "$s.$t$rest\n"; } } continue { print; } exit 0; Script to process the logs and mail to me #!/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/qmailanalog/bin:/var/qmail/bin:/bin:/usr/bin QMAILLOG="/tmp/q.$$" QMAILTMP="/tmp/r.$$" umask 077 cat /var/log/qmail/@* > $QMAILTMP cat /var/log/qmail/current >> $QMAILTMP cat $QMAILTMP | tai64n2time | matchup > $QMAILLOG 5>/dev/null DATE=`date +'%a %d %b'` (echo "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" echo "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" echo "Subject: Qmail daily report $DATE" echo "" zoverall < $QMAILLOG) | qmail-inject rm -f $QMAILLOG rm -f $QMAILTMP -Original Message- From: kbo [mailto:kbo]On Behalf Of Ken Jones Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: qmailanalog and multilog Does anyone have a patch to qmailanalog to read the new multilog time format? Ken Jones inter7
Re: www.ezmlm.org
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:04:04AM -0400, Peter Green wrote: > also sprach mwangu: > > All, > > > > Does anyone know what has happened to www.ezmlm.org > > It appears to be on hold by Network Solutions, awaiting payment. :( Sure? Not anymore at least. https://payments.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/payment-decision.pl?EntityType=domain&EntityName=ezmlm.org /magnus -- http://x42.com
Re: www.ezmlm.org
also sprach magnus: > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:04:04AM -0400, Peter Green wrote: > > also sprach mwangu: > > > All, > > > > > > Does anyone know what has happened to www.ezmlm.org > > > > It appears to be on hold by Network Solutions, awaiting payment. :( > > Sure? Not anymore at least. fwhois "dump ezmlm.org"@whois.networksolutions.com shows that it still is: [...] (29) parentdom: HOLD-PAY| [...] But I wouldn't be surprised if NetSlow's records were outta whack. :/ /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- What say? Is UNIX dead _again_? I thought the blockheads at _PC Week_ and so on didn't have that story scheduled for regurgitation until _next_ month. Oh, I forgot: Not There v.4.0 is out. That explains it. (Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.misc)
Re: www.ezmlm.org
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:35:16AM -0400, Peter Green wrote: > also sprach magnus: > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:04:04AM -0400, Peter Green wrote: > > > also sprach mwangu: > > > > All, > > > > > > > > Does anyone know what has happened to www.ezmlm.org > > > > > > It appears to be on hold by Network Solutions, awaiting payment. :( > > > > Sure? Not anymore at least. > > fwhois "dump ezmlm.org"@whois.networksolutions.com shows that it still is: > > [...] > (29) parentdom: HOLD-PAY| > [...] You're probably right. RIVERTOWN.NET is on hold as well. I guess it's Fred B Ringels business. /magnus
Blocking of Mail Domain for a specific users
I want to block incoming of mails from few domains for few users (POP and SMTP both) only. If i put these domain in the badmailfrom file it blocks for all the users. kindly suggest how it can be done for individuall users.
Re: Blocking of Mail Domain for a specific users
> I want to block incoming of mails from few domains for few users (POP and SMTP both) >only. > > If i put these domain in the badmailfrom file it blocks for all the users. > > kindly suggest how it can be done for individuall users. You'll need to make a short script, and add it into these users .qmail file. You CAN write the commands directly into this file, but then it will look a bit messy if it's long/many entries. | if [ "$SENDER" = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ]; then exit 99 ;fi | if [ "$SENDER" = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ]; then exit 99 ;fi ./Maildir/. You'll need to "cut" the $SENDER varibale to get only the domain, I don't have the perfect way but this one works for SENDERS with only one "@" (most of them only have one, but you can't trust that!!! ) | DOMAIN=`echo $SENDER | cut -f2 -d\@` ; if [ "$DOMAIN" = "bad.com" ]; then exit 99 ; |fi Regards André Paulsberg
ezmlm.org
Does anyone know what happened to the ezmlm.org site? Ken Jones inter7
Re: ezmlm.org
also sprach kbo: > > Does anyone know what happened to the ezmlm.org site? ezmlm.org appears to be on hold by NetSol, waiting for payment. Fred Ringel dropped off the face of the earth some time ago. Fred L. is probably horribly busy with umpteen things. Just a little state of disarray... :) /pg -- Peter Green : Gospel Communications Network, SysAdmin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I hope to get Perl 5 out this summer, for certain values of summer. -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Qmail Virtual Users
Looking through the life with qmail document it appears that migrating a sendmail virtusetable over to qmail would be very difficult. If I am reading it correctly it appears that it uses the format of: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:prepend Is there any way to have qmail read the virtualuser table as [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] so that a seperate alias didnt need to be created and it could forward the email to the correct location.
Re: Forwarding catchall acount to multiple Maildirs?
> Snowcrash wrote: > > > I currently have a catchall account set up and it succesfully > delivers to one user. However I would like to have the mail delived > to multiple people. I'm not quite sure how to do this. My current > .qmail-default is: > > | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' > /home/vpopmail/domains/foo.com/user > > Thanks in advance, > Daniel Daley > [EMAIL PROTECTED] the vdelivermail program only accepts one account for the "catchall" "catchall" being a horrible phrase meaning: All those emails which neither match a .qmail-user file nor are in the vpopmail user authentication system for this domain. Adding lines after the vdelivermail line will not have your intended effect. The lines after will receive all email that does not match a .qmail-user file (standard .qmail-default processing), including email for vpopmail pop accounts. This is not a "catchall" behavior. What you could do is put an email address at the end of vdelivermail. Say.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then create a .qmail-catchall file with the list of Maildirs you want the catchall email to go to. This will cause a re-injection of the "catch all'd" email into the queue. But will do what you want. For example: cat .qmail-default | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat .qmail-catchall ./user1/Maildir/ ./user2/Maildir/ Ken Jones
Re: ezmlm.org
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 09:41:40AM -0400, Peter Green wrote: > also sprach kbo: > > > > Does anyone know what happened to the ezmlm.org site? > > ezmlm.org appears to be on hold by NetSol, waiting for payment. Fred Ringel > dropped off the face of the earth some time ago. Fred L. is probably > horribly busy with umpteen things. > > Just a little state of disarray... :) Fred L paid it yesterday. Mirror here for now: http://ezmlm.x42.com/ /magnus -- "Security is not about addons. It is about trusting the base of the system, all the way down to 8 line functions in libc or the kernel." -- Theo de Raadt
convert mbox -> maildirs
I'm switching more than 15.000 users to Qmail using maildirs, i'd like to know what is the best tool i can use in order to convert /var/mail/user mboxes into ~user/Maildir format and to convert ~user/Mail/folder into ~user/Maildir/.folder format too. thanks! Enrique-
Re: convert mbox -> maildirs
> Enrique Vadillo: > I'm switching more than 15.000 users to Qmail using maildirs, > i'd like to know what is the best tool i can use in order to > convert /var/mail/user mboxes into ~user/Maildir format and to > convert ~user/Mail/folder into ~user/Maildir/.folder format too. formail from the procmail suite. clemens
Re: convert mbox -> maildirs
I am no Perl wizard, but this works: lithium:~$ more /usr/local/bin/convertbox #!/usr/bin/perl # usage: convertbox [mbox] [dir for maildir to placed] # # ie: convertbox /usr/mail/blah/mbox /var/qmail/mailhome/user/Maildir require 'stat.pl'; ($mbox, $maildir) = @ARGV; chdir($maildir) || die("fatal: unable to chdir to $maildir.\n"); -d "tmp" || mkdir("tmp",0700) || die("fatal: unable to make tmp/ subdir\n"); -d "new" || mkdir("new",0700) || die("fatal: unable to make new/ subdir\n"); -d "cur" || mkdir("cur",0700) || die("fatal: unable to make cur/ subdir\n"); open(BOX, "<$mbox") || die ("fatal: unable to open $mbox"); while() { if (/^From /) { $fn = sprintf("new/%d.$$.mbox", $i); open(MDIR, ">$maildir/$fn") || die("fatal: unable to create new message");; chown ($uid,$gid,$fn); $i++; }; s/^>From /From /; print MDIR || die("fatal: unable to write to new message"); }; close(SPOOL); close(BOX); You'll need to do some chownage.. On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Enrique Vadillo wrote: > I'm switching more than 15.000 users to Qmail using maildirs, > i'd like to know what is the best tool i can use in order to > convert /var/mail/user mboxes into ~user/Maildir format and to > convert ~user/Mail/folder into ~user/Maildir/.folder format too. > > thanks! > > Enrique- >
Re: convert mbox -> maildirs
Isn't Russell Nelson's convert-and-create script doing this? >From the Qmail web page: Russell Nelson's convert-and-create script will create Maildirs for all users who receive mail and will convert their /var/spool/mail mbox-format mailboxes into messages in a Maildir.
Re: Blocking of Mail Domain for a specific users
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:20:25PM +0200, OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg wrote: > > I want to block incoming of mails from few domains for few users (POP and SMTP >both) only. > > > > If i put these domain in the badmailfrom file it blocks for all the users. > > > > kindly suggest how it can be done for individuall users. > > You'll need to make a short script, > and add it into these users .qmail file. > You CAN write the commands directly into this file, > but then it will look a bit messy if it's long/many entries. Ok, I suppose that's one way of doing it. The other, easier way is to just put the email addresses in badmailfrom. I.e. instead of putting domain.com in badmailfrom, put [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Adam
Security warning: using linuxconf(RedHat 6.2) and permissions of /usr/sbin/sendmail
Hi, some days ago another guy mentioned that he has detected wrong permissions on his RedHat system using qmail at the wrapper "/usr/sbin/sendmail". I have reproduced this on 2 systems: Scenario: RedHat 6.2 (including linuxconf 1.17r2) sendmail-RPM deinstall qmail-SRPM build and install After original Qmail installation: /usr/sbin/sendmail 0755 root:qmail After adding a user with "linuxconf": /usr/sbin/sendmail 6755 root:root (suid,sgid!) That's really not Qmails intention that the wrapper runs now with suid root... So ***everyone using Qmail (or postfix also) on RedHat systems should do following check***: 1) Test if sendmail-RPM is really not installed: [root@mail /root]# rpm -qi sendmail package sendmail is not installed 2) check permissions of wrapper binary "/usr/sbin/sendmail" [root@mail /root]# ls -al /usr/sbin/sendmail BAD:-rwsr-sr-x1 root root 9748 Apr 27 20:13 /usr/sbin/sendmail GOOD: -rwxr-xr-x1 root mail 9748 Apr 27 20:13 /usr/sbin/sendmail 3) Re-secure, if BAD: [root@mail /root]# chown root:mail /usr/sbin/sendmail 4) Turnarounds to prevent re-insecuring: * do not use "linuxconf" anymore for adding users until RedHat has released a new version which do no longer reset the owner/group/permissions of "/usr/sbin/sendmail" (if it's not from the sendmail-RPM) * setup a cron script with does 3) as often as possible (i.e. all hours or shorter) Peter
mail forwarding: alias
I have following mail forwarding set up in /var/qmail/alias/: (1) postmaster -> mail listmaster -> mail -> admin1, admin2, ... list-admin -> mail (2) webmaster -> web www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ... www -> web All the forwarding indicated by "->" is made in /var/qmail/alias/ (individual .qmail-*** files of course); "mail" and "web" are two regular user accounts, were setup almost identically. Now the problem is, while mails through "mail" could be distributed to "admin1, admin2, ...", mails through "web" were all deposited into its incoming mail box, as if "web -> admin1, admin2,..." alias didn't exist. I have checked/compared everything I could think of without getting a clue what is happening. Could you give some suggestions? Zhiliang
RE: Security warning: using linuxconf(RedHat 6.2) and permissions of /usr/sbin/sendmail
Three things: First, linuxconf is NOT owned by RedHat. Therefore, it's not RedHat's problem. (You might want to convey your concerns to the linuxconf maintainers) Second, this is a GREAT example of why one might not want to trust someone else's RPM packages. Third, if installing qmail via LWQ, your /usr/sbin/sendmail might very well be symlinked to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail (I did it that way) Regards, Geordon (who has finally gone back to Slackware from RedHat) -Original Message- From: Peter Bieringer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Security warning: using linuxconf(RedHat 6.2) and permissions of /usr/sbin/sendmail Importance: High Hi, some days ago another guy mentioned that he has detected wrong permissions on his RedHat system using qmail at the wrapper "/usr/sbin/sendmail". I have reproduced this on 2 systems: Scenario: RedHat 6.2 (including linuxconf 1.17r2) sendmail-RPM deinstall qmail-SRPM build and install After original Qmail installation: /usr/sbin/sendmail 0755 root:qmail After adding a user with "linuxconf": /usr/sbin/sendmail 6755 root:root (suid,sgid!) That's really not Qmails intention that the wrapper runs now with suid root... So ***everyone using Qmail (or postfix also) on RedHat systems should do following check***: 1) Test if sendmail-RPM is really not installed: [root@mail /root]# rpm -qi sendmail package sendmail is not installed 2) check permissions of wrapper binary "/usr/sbin/sendmail" [root@mail /root]# ls -al /usr/sbin/sendmail BAD:-rwsr-sr-x1 root root 9748 Apr 27 20:13 /usr/sbin/sendmail GOOD: -rwxr-xr-x1 root mail 9748 Apr 27 20:13 /usr/sbin/sendmail 3) Re-secure, if BAD: [root@mail /root]# chown root:mail /usr/sbin/sendmail 4) Turnarounds to prevent re-insecuring: * do not use "linuxconf" anymore for adding users until RedHat has released a new version which do no longer reset the owner/group/permissions of "/usr/sbin/sendmail" (if it's not from the sendmail-RPM) * setup a cron script with does 3) as often as possible (i.e. all hours or shorter) Peter
Re: mail forwarding: alias
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 12:20:49PM -0500, Zhiliang Hu wrote: > I have following mail forwarding set up in /var/qmail/alias/: > > (1) postmaster -> mail > listmaster -> mail -> admin1, admin2, ... > list-admin -> mail > > (2) webmaster -> web > www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ... >www -> web > > All the forwarding indicated by "->" is made in /var/qmail/alias/ > (individual .qmail-*** files of course); "mail" and "web" are > two regular user accounts, were setup almost identically. > > Now the problem is, while mails through "mail" could be distributed > to "admin1, admin2, ...", mails through "web" were all deposited > into its incoming mail box, as if "web -> admin1, admin2,..." alias > didn't exist. Could you just post the actual contents of the various .qmail-* files? I, for one, don't know what " www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ..." means. Chris
Re: Security warning: using linuxconf(RedHat 6.2) and permissions of /usr/sbin/sendmail
It isn't the rpm's fault, it is actually linuxconf. Even if you did a by-the-book (i.e. following Dan's instructions to the letter) qmail install, linuxconf will follow the /usr/sbin/sendmail link and change the permissions on /var/qmail/bin/sendmail for you. It does this even if you don't have the sendmail rpm installed. To stop it from making this change, I believe you can edit /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/perm and remove the /usr/sbin/sendmail line. Jim On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0400, VANTASSLE, GEORDON M. (AIT) wrote: > Three things: > > First, linuxconf is NOT owned by RedHat. Therefore, it's not RedHat's > problem. (You might want to convey your concerns to the linuxconf > maintainers) > > Second, this is a GREAT example of why one might not want to trust someone > else's RPM packages. > > Third, if installing qmail via LWQ, your /usr/sbin/sendmail might very well > be symlinked to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail > > (I did it that way) > > Regards, > Geordon > (who has finally gone back to Slackware from RedHat) >
Re: mail forwarding: alias
Ok, here they are: File Content -- --- /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster mail /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-listmaster mail /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-list-admin mail /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-webmaster web /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-www-admin web /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-www web /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-mailuser1 /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-web user1 -- --- > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:30 -0400 > From: Chris Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Zhiliang Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: mail forwarding: alias > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 12:20:49PM -0500, Zhiliang Hu wrote: > > I have following mail forwarding set up in /var/qmail/alias/: > > > > (1) postmaster -> mail > > listmaster -> mail -> admin1, admin2, ... > > list-admin -> mail > > > > (2) webmaster -> web > > www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ... > >www -> web > > > > All the forwarding indicated by "->" is made in /var/qmail/alias/ > > (individual .qmail-*** files of course); "mail" and "web" are > > two regular user accounts, were setup almost identically. > > > > Now the problem is, while mails through "mail" could be distributed > > to "admin1, admin2, ...", mails through "web" were all deposited > > into its incoming mail box, as if "web -> admin1, admin2,..." alias > > didn't exist. > > Could you just post the actual contents of the various .qmail-* files? I, for > one, don't know what " www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ..." means. > > Chris >
ezmlm-sub question?
i am trying to add a bulk list to my server and using this script i get the runtime error: ( ezmlm-sub: fatal: dir and dot must start with slash ), does anyone know what this means? my script is below. thanks christopher m downs #!/bin/sh ## this is to use ezmlm-sub function ## to add a list of e-mail users to ## a particular list. # <-- ## example :ListLoc=/var/qmail/alias/lists/listname $ListLoc=/var/qmail/alias/lists/test6 InputFile=list.txt ## # <-- ## pull names from list using @ for name in $(cat $InputFile) do echo "Subscribing $name to $ListLoc" ## there is a comment here so i know the execution is out of play. #ezmlm-sub $listLoc $name done ## <- # End of File
Re: ezmlm-sub question?
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:19:48PM -0400, cdowns wrote: > i am trying to add a bulk list to my server and using this script i get > the runtime error: ( ezmlm-sub: fatal: dir and dot must start with slash > ), does anyone know what this means? my script is below. thanks > > christopher m downs > > > #!/bin/sh > ## this is to use ezmlm-sub function > ## to add a list of e-mail users to > ## a particular list. > # <-- > ## example :ListLoc=/var/qmail/alias/lists/listname > $ListLoc=/var/qmail/alias/lists/test6 Remove the $ from $ListLoc The $ is used to reference variables not to define them ... > InputFile=list.txt > ## > # <-- > ## pull names from list using @ > for name in $(cat $InputFile) > do > echo "Subscribing $name to $ListLoc" > ## there is a comment here so i know the execution is out of play. > #ezmlm-sub $listLoc $name $listLoc is not defined, it's $ListLoc Variable names are case sensitive ... > done > ## <- > # End of File > -- http://therookie.dyndns.org
Re: mail forwarding: alias
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 01:29:53PM -0500, Zhiliang Hu wrote: > > Ok, here they are: > File Content > -- --- > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-postmaster mail > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-listmaster mail > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-list-admin mail > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-webmaster web > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-www-admin web > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-www web > > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-mailuser1 > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-web user1 > -- --- You said that "mail" and "web" are regular user accounts. If that's the case, then ~alias/.qmail-mail and ~alias/.qmail-web will never be consulted. Chris > > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:30 -0400 > > From: Chris Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Zhiliang Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: mail forwarding: alias > > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 12:20:49PM -0500, Zhiliang Hu wrote: > > > I have following mail forwarding set up in /var/qmail/alias/: > > > > > > (1) postmaster -> mail > > > listmaster -> mail -> admin1, admin2, ... > > > list-admin -> mail > > > > > > (2) webmaster -> web > > > www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ... > > >www -> web > > > > > > All the forwarding indicated by "->" is made in /var/qmail/alias/ > > > (individual .qmail-*** files of course); "mail" and "web" are > > > two regular user accounts, were setup almost identically. > > > > > > Now the problem is, while mails through "mail" could be distributed > > > to "admin1, admin2, ...", mails through "web" were all deposited > > > into its incoming mail box, as if "web -> admin1, admin2,..." alias > > > didn't exist. > > > > Could you just post the actual contents of the various .qmail-* files? I, for > > one, don't know what " www-admin -> web -> admin1, admin2, ..." means. > > > > Chris
frequent double deliveries
Yesterday the message "warning: trouble marking local/xx/xx; message will be delivered twice!" appeared in my log over 1000 times! This was followed by over 1000 "unable to unlink local/xx/xx" and 135,000 "trouble opening local/xx/xx" messages! This is a daily occurrence for which I cannot determine the cause. It appears that qmail is marking and unlinking these files and doesn't know it. The partition is only at 40% use, so disk space shouldn't be an issue, and the messages do appear to be getting to their destinations (sometimes more than once), but qmail is trying to hold on to them. We get about 100,000 emails a day, so it looks like this problem is showing up about 1% of the time. Shutting down qmail, queue-fix'ing or manually deleting incomplete messages, and starting up again remains quiet only for a few minutes before the cycle kicks in again. >From this end it looks like a bug in qmail...please tell me there's something I can fix locally. Thanks. Oh yeah...running on a Sun E250 Solaris 2.7, 2 CPUs, 1 gig of RAM. -- Nathan Clegg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail forwarding: alias
> You said that "mail" and "web" are regular user accounts. If that's the case, > then ~alias/.qmail-mail and ~alias/.qmail-web will never be consulted. You mean in qmail the user account precedes system alias? (in sendmail it is opposite). But why one alias, ~alias/.qmail-mail, works fine? That was where I got confused and started to ask ... ;-) For your further information, none of the two accounts were setup for mails. i.e. no ~/.qmail whatsoever, no ~/Mail, no ~/Mailbox ..) Zhiliang
ref: qmail+mrtg+multilog mods
Hi all. A while back I mentioned modifying the qmailmrtg stuff to work with multilog formatted files and some of you have asked me about them. They are almost complete .. the mods seem pretty easy really, though I am not much of a programmer. I think I have it working. The queue script did not require any changing of course ... and the concurrency script was easy to fix up. Just a change in the regexp that matches log files. I am having some trouble with the message bandwidth script though ... it seems to work when I run it by hand but not when run from cron. Long story short I am almost done. Just so damn busy, the summer being our big projects & upgrades time. I will attempt to just provides diffs, but I have never made a diff before so I guess I have some man pages to read. If anyone wants to give me a crash course in making diffs I'd appreciate it. Crash courses are all I have time for these days ... -- Mark Drummond|ICQ#19153754|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX System Administrator|Royal Military College of Canada The Kingston Linux Users Group|http://signals.rmc.ca/klug/ Saving the World ... One CPU at a Time Please excuse me if I am terse. I answer dozens of emails every day.
Re: mail forwarding: alias
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 03:18:32PM -0500, Zhiliang Hu wrote: > > > You said that "mail" and "web" are regular user accounts. If that's the case, > > then ~alias/.qmail-mail and ~alias/.qmail-web will never be consulted. > > You mean in qmail the user account precedes system alias? > (in sendmail it is opposite). Yep. See /var/qmail/doc/PIC.local2alias. alias will get control of mail only if a user account doesn't exist. > But why one alias, ~alias/.qmail-mail, works fine? That was where > I got confused and started to ask ... ;-) I don't know, and couldn't tell you without looking at your whole setup. But if there's an account called "mail" and there's nothing in users/assign that says otherwise, ~alias/.qmail-mail won't do anything. If it works in your case, then something isn't exactly as you described. Chris
Re: Security warning: using linuxconf(RedHat 6.2) and permissionsof /usr/sbin/sendmail
Hi, I think it's also possible to disable the sendmail module in linuxconf. regards christian
Re: mail forwarding: alias
Thank Chris! There is one more instance: system alias for root works, ignoring the account ~root ... is there an exception? Zhiliang > > You mean in qmail the user account precedes system alias? > > (in sendmail it is opposite). > > Yep. See /var/qmail/doc/PIC.local2alias. alias will get control of mail only if > a user account doesn't exist.
Re: mail forwarding: alias
Chris Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yep. See /var/qmail/doc/PIC.local2alias. alias will get control of mail only >if a user account doesn't exist. >> But why one alias, ~alias/.qmail-mail, works fine? That was where I got >> confused and started to ask ... ;-) > I don't know, and couldn't tell you without looking at your whole setup. But > if there's an account called "mail" and there's nothing in users/assign that > says otherwise, ~alias/.qmail-mail won't do anything. If it works in your > case, then something isn't exactly as you described. I could be wrong, but it might be because something about those "regular accounts" is funny, and qmail doesn't consider it a valid account. The rules qmail-getpw uses are (from the manpage): qmail-getpw considers an account in /etc/passwd to be a user if (1) the account has a nonzero uid, (2) the account's home directory exists (and is visible to qmail- getpw), and (3) the account owns its home directory. qmail-getpw ignores account names containing uppercase letters So if "mail" or "web" has a non-existent home directory, or one they don't own, the ~alias/.qmail- files might work for those accounts. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. ---
Re: Security warning: using linuxconf(RedHat 6.2) and permissions of /usr/sbin/sendmail
On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 01:42:32PM -0400, Jim Simmons wrote: > It isn't the rpm's fault, it is actually linuxconf. Even if you did a > by-the-book (i.e. following Dan's instructions to the letter) qmail install, > linuxconf will follow the /usr/sbin/sendmail link and change the permissions > on /var/qmail/bin/sendmail for you. It does this even if you don't have the > sendmail rpm installed. > > To stop it from making this change, I believe you can edit > /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/perm and remove the /usr/sbin/sendmail line. In fact, here's what /usr/lib/linuxconf/redhat/perm/mail should read: /usr/sbin/sendmail rootqmail f 755 /etc/mail rootrootd 755 -- Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://em.ca/~bruceg/ PGP signature
the point with the dot in dot-qmail
hi, i would like to forward incoming emails for an special user of a virtual domain to an external email-address. my emailformat is always i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED], which nearly all of my customers want to have. all emails to vdomain.com are delivered to a local user "vdomain" and fetched via pop3 by user "vdomain". there is an empty .qmail-default in /home/vdomain/. now, if i touch a new .qmail file like i.e. /home/vdomain/.qmail-bob.miller with i.e. &[EMAIL PROTECTED] inside, mails for [EMAIL PROTECTED] are still delivered to "vdomain". altering .qmail-bob.miller to .qmail-bob_miller forwards correctly, but this doesn't fit to my emailformat using a "." instead of "_". qmail seems not to like a second "." in any dot-qmail files. is there no way to get forwarding working with the "." ? -- jens - department computer science, university of dortmund linux ... life's too short for reboots!
Re: the point with the dot in dot-qmail
Jens Georg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Fri, 09 Jun 2000: > is there no way to get forwarding working with the "." ? Yes, there is a way. Use : instead of the . in the dot-qmail file. eg. .qmail-bob:miller for an address of "bob.miller". Regards, Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs list maintainer // net.freak // DALnet IRC operator / // Interests: roleplaying, Linux, the Net, fantasy & scifi, the Corrs / The Monkeys are listening.
group mailboxes don't seem to work after I installed ezmlm
I just installed the latest ezemlm on my system and have just discovered a serious problem with a group mailbox. I have a domain ace.org.nz where all email is put into one mailbox. (I have normal users as well) This was working well. The domain is setup in the virtualhosts file and points a mailbox called ace (ie. ace.org.nz:ace) Yesterday I installed ezmlm on the system and I just received a call saying that no email is getting through to ace.org.nz. The message I receive is saying that there is some problem with the subject line, but it doesn't matter what the subject is I still get the following syslog entries... Jun 9 11:50:29 holly qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 960508229.521238 starting delivery 13556: msg 842662 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 9 11:50:29 holly qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 960508229.521773 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Jun 9 11:50:29 holly qmail: [ID 748625 mail.info] 960508229.585153 delivery 13556: deferral: qmail-inject:_subject:hello:_not_found/ I have no idea where to start looking for this. background. I have just installed this box with the latest version of qmail. I use to run a sgi with the same configuration (group mailbox for ace.org.nz and ezmlm list server). I have just got this new box up and running about 2 weeks ago to replace the old and setup ezmlm yesterday. The new box is Solaris 8. Thanks Martin Martin Searancke CommSoft Group Ltd. Level 8, CommSoft House 90 Symonds St Auckland, New Zealand [EMAIL PROTECTED] +64 21 778592 *What* you know is not as important as *who* you know. But what you know about who you know is where the REAL money is. (Jonathan D. Colan)
DNS subdomain question
I am wondering if this is a DNS issue, a gauntlet firewall issue, or why this isn't working. I have 2 sites in different locations. One has DNS domain: ecorp.com the other has DNS domain dev.ecorp.com. Mail works fine to ecorp.com but when trying to deliver to dev.ecorp.com mail gets rejected by mail.ecorp.com saying that dev.ecorp.com is not in its rcpthosts. dev.ecorp.com is in the rcpthosts on mail.dev.ecorp.com not mail.ecorp.com If I run nslookup >set type=MX >ecorp.com Server: ns2.pnap.net Address: 206.253.194.97 ecorp.com preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.ecorp.com >dev.ecorp.com Server: ns2.pnap.net Address: 206.253.194.97 dev.ecorp.com preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.dev.ecorp.com Shouldn't DNS deliver this to mail.dev.ecorp.com rather than mail.ecorp.com? The only other thing I can think is that either I don't understand DNS MX records for subdomains or the gauntlet firewall that receives this message first is forwarding it to the other side. What do you think? Susan Short Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Does someone knows what is this about?
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 08:47:46AM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: > Peter van Dijk writes: > > ORBS does not list a machine until it has received a relayed test > > message. > > Then why does Alan suggest that qmail is an open relay by default > simply because its smtp server accepts more mail than it will deliver? He is talking about qmail being an open relay when there is no rcpthost file. > Why would he care? This is not the standard 'it accepts so it must be an open relay!' problem. Greetz, Peter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Peter van Dijk [student:developer:madly in love]
Re: mail forwarding: alias
> Charles Cazabon: > >> But why one alias, ~alias/.qmail-mail, works fine? That was where I got > >> confused and started to ask ... ;-) > > > I don't know, and couldn't tell you without looking at your whole setup. But excusee moi, je suis hercule poirot! je pens que les accounts `mail' et `user1' sont identical, et `user1' est =root=! oui! c'est le seulement way les deuz could work! hercule `clemens' poirot
LAST command not working. Any workarounds?
As I'm sure you are all aware, qmail's implementation of the LAST command seems to endlessly confuse several MUAs, especially if they choose to leave their mail on the server. Is there any way around this? Any patches? I know 'LAST' has been deprecated, but we're getting a lot of flack from our customers that try to use some odd POP clients, like the Yahoo! web pop client. Thanks, Ben -- The spectre of a polity controlled by the fads and whims of voters who actually believe that there are significant differences between Bud Lite and Miller Lite, and who think that professional wrestling is for real, is naturally alarming to people who don't. -- Neal Stephenson
courier-imap: make check errors
When I run make check for courier-imap on Solaris7 sparc using gcc-2.95. I get the following output. Make check doesn't finish: it just hangs with the last two lines "broken pipe". However, if I go ahead and install it anyway, courier-imap appears to work fine. Are the following errors something to worry about? Any help would be great, Kristina - * Sanity check in progress * INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] make[1]: *** [check] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/SRC/IMAP/courier-imap-0.31/imap' make: *** [check-recursive] Error 1 ldaptest% INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] Broken Pipe INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] Broken Pipe Broken Pipe INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] Broken Pipe Broken Pipe INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] Broken Pipe Broken Pipe INFO: LOGIN, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] INFO: LOGOUT, user=user, ip=[127.0.0.1] Broken Pipe Broken Pipe --
HELP PLEASE
I use qmail with serialmail and fetchmail. I conect to my ISP with dial up.All messages for out are stored in "/var/qmail/alias/pppdir/" and that is OK.All mesages witch I receive (with fetchmail) are in "/var/qmail/qlias/pppdir/" too. And that is problem. Why this mesages not in maildir of my users??? Howqmail can dislocate this messages in maildir of my usersI use vpopmail. Sinisa Malesevic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslog issue:(
HI there, I was wondering if anyone can help me with this problem, I am running redhat version 6.1 and I cannot get POP3 connections logging in my syslog to /var/log/mail smtp syslog works fine but POP is cause me trouble and I can not see any referance to POP/syslog in the FAQ's or anything else on the qmail site... below is a copy of my start up script to start qmail-pop3d using Maildir Any help would be much welcomed:) #!/bin/sh # # Start POP3D # tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup daemon.supression.net \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d 3 & cheers brendan #!/bin/sh # # Start POP2D # tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup daemon.supression.net \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d 3 & winmail.dat
Re: Blocking of Mail Domain for a specific users
>>> I want to block incoming of mails from few domains for few users (POP and SMTP >both) only. >>> >>> If i put these domain in the badmailfrom file it blocks for all the users. > > The other, easier way is to just put the email addresses in badmailfrom. > > I.e. instead of putting domain.com in badmailfrom, put [EMAIL PROTECTED] I belive that is just what i could NOT do, since only some users should be stopped from getting mail from these domains / users. Regards André Paulsberg
few simple questions abt qmail
1. i could't find out, how to get pop3d work with shadow passwords, so i'm using qpopper [and therefore i have to switch to mailbox format] So - is it possible to use pop3d with shadow passw? 2. Next annoying problem. My Qmail is up and running. I'm using it with serialmail. ppp0 connection gets into serious trouble after exactly 20 min. Everything freezes and in 1 or 2 min i'm disconnected. This never happens BQ ( before Qmail, 2 weeks ago ;-)), so I suppose, it have something to do with it. Any idea, how to solve this, how to locate source of trouble? Is it Qmail, serialmail? Am I overlooking something? Thanks --- ico66 ---
Re: syslog issue:( pop3d
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:15:40PM +1000, Brendan Laws wrote: > HI there, > > I was wondering if anyone can help me with this problem, I am > running redhat version 6.1 and I cannot get POP3 connections logging in my > syslog to /var/log/mail > > smtp syslog works fine but POP is cause me trouble and I can not see > any referance to POP/syslog in the FAQ's or anything else on the qmail > site... > > below is a copy of my start up script to start qmail-pop3d using > Maildir > > Any help would be much welcomed:) > > #!/bin/sh > # > # Start POP3D > # > tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup daemon.supression.net \ > /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | > /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d 3 & I assume you had a line continuation character "\" after the "2>&1 |" above? Also, why do you have a "3" all by itself at the end, before the "&" character? There are also some missing options to tcpserver. Here is my working /etc/rc.d startup script fragment for this, if you wish to compare. Hope it helps some. case "$1" in start) echo -n "Starting qmail pop server" /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup \ moon.demibit.com \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | \ /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d & Sincerely, Neal > > cheers > > brendan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #!/bin/sh > # > # Start POP2D > # > tcpserver 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup daemon.supression.net \ > /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | > /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d 3 &
Re: Forwarding catchall acount to multiple Maildirs?
Try: | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' /home/vpopmail/domains/foo.com/user & [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. Regards! --jmr Snowcrash writes: > > I currently have a catchall account set up and it succesfully delivers to one >user. However I would like to have the mail delived to multiple people. I'm not >quite sure how to do this. My current .qmail-default is: > > | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' /home/vpopmail/domains/foo.com/user > > Thanks in advance, > Daniel Daley > [EMAIL PROTECTED] J.M. Roth