Re: people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on this list...

[markd]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 04:55:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> markd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Indeed this is an excellent strategy - if done properly. The problem is,
> > a lot of people don't have the ability to capture all addresses in a
> > domain - and of course user-random@domain is trivially defeated by a
> > competent slicer and dicer if user@domain is valid.
> 
> There's a simple solution to that.  Use user@domain as another spam trap
> and have your *real* address that you give out to people who you want to
> have a stable address be user-@domain and be careful about
> revealing that .  :)

That's a good idea Russ.


Regards.

qmail Digest 29 Oct 2000 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1168

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qmail Digest 29 Oct 2000 11:00:01 - Issue 1168

Topics (messages 51252 through 51312):

fetchmail and timers and control-dir
51252 by: romeo kienzler
51274 by: Robin S. Socha

people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on this list...
51253 by: Martin Jespersen
51254 by: Brett Randall
51256 by: Alexander Jernejcic
51260 by: James T. Perry
51261 by: markd.bushwire.net
51263 by: Brett Randall
51266 by: markd.bushwire.net
51267 by: Brett Randall
51273 by: Robin S. Socha
51276 by: markd.bushwire.net
51277 by: Brett Randall
51279 by: markd.bushwire.net
51280 by: David Dyer-Bennet
51283 by: Alex Pennace
51287 by: Martin Jespersen
51290 by: Martin Jespersen
51292 by: Felix von Leitner
51293 by: Russ Allbery
51295 by: Austad, Jay
51298 by: Felix von Leitner
51304 by: Jack McKinney
51312 by: markd.bushwire.net

Re: fixcrio
51255 by: Alexander Jernejcic
51281 by: Andrew Richards
51286 by: Alexander Jernejcic

Re: is there any way to move messages to the front of qmail's queue?
51257 by: Greg Cope
51258 by: Olivier M.

Re: qmail-queue patch
51259 by: Chris Hackman
51272 by: Robin S. Socha
51278 by: Brett Randall

qmail-local killed
51262 by: Joomy Studio
51264 by: Brett Randall

Re: unsubscribe qmail
51265 by: markd.bushwire.net
51268 by: Jarle Hammen Knudsen
51269 by: Brett Randall
51270 by: markd.bushwire.net

Re: How to customize bounced back messages
51271 by: Robin S. Socha

Re: problem with supervise
51275 by: Robin S. Socha

traffic control and qmail-pop3d
51282 by: Leif Hartmann
51289 by: Mira Tempír

Spam elimination solution based on References header
51284 by: Brett Randall
51291 by: Brett Randall
51294 by: Felix von Leitner
51299 by: Russ Allbery
51300 by: Brett Randall
51302 by: Brett Randall

Re: SPAM touble.
51285 by: JuanE

=local entries in qmail-users
51288 by: James Browning

OT : Mail Clients, What Do You Use???
51296 by: jsunday.parview.com
51297 by: Brett Randall

FILTERING ATTACHEMENTS
51301 by: Anthony Abby

Re: SPAM - Help!
51303 by: Jack McKinney
51308 by: Greg White
51309 by: Jack McKinney
51310 by: Greg White
51311 by: Russ Allbery

Listar
51305 by: Anthony Abby
51306 by: Brett Randall
51307 by: Brett Randall

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Hi All !!

I have some problems to deliver mail from fetchmail to qmail.

I tried some option with the -mua -switch, but without success.

I have to deliver the fetched mail in that way, that I can recieve it via pop3
from other clients, any ideas ?

an other problem ist, that I dont know how to modify some timerparameters
(interval of sending mail for example) 
can you tell me, where I have to modify it ?

thanks a lot !

yours romeo

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* romeo kienzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have some problems to deliver mail from fetchmail to qmail.
> I tried some option with the -mua -switch, but without success.

,[ Works For Me(tm) ]
| server yourserver.com
| proto pop3
| 
| user romeo
| pass geheim
| 
| fetchall
| flush
| mda /usr/bin/procmai
`

> I have to deliver the fetched mail in that way, that I can recieve it
> via pop3 from other clients, any ideas ?

You need a local pop3d capable of reading maildir, methinks. You /do/
want to fetch from yourserver.com and prostitute the mail to your lusers
on ormium.de, right?

> an other problem ist, that I dont know how to modify some timerparameters
> (interval of sending mail for example) can you tell me, where I have to
> modify it ?

Have you considered doing cron based thingies with serialmail? qmail
will deliver directly by default AFAIK.

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Hi all

I have now gotten spam to two of my adresses that i have only used publicly on this 
list.

is there any chance that the list's admin would consider removing the header info that 
shows the
adress of the sender before sending it on to the list?

/Martin




> "Martin" == Martin Jespersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Martin>  Hi all I have now gotten 

Re: people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on th is list...

[Robin S. Socha]

* Austad, Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Why are you such an asshole?  

Jay, that is not really the point here, I think. Felix' comment was well
deserved. The ideas presented were braindead. Repeating them doesn't
make them any more useful.

> Who's the owner of this list?  I'm getting sick of hearing Felix's
> shit.

Poor Jay, doesn't your Mailtoy have kill function? And speaking of
Mailtoys, yours does not produce reference headers and your quoting is
an abomination. You do know what you're doing the archive of this list,
don't you? Check here:
http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/10/threads.html
and check for things like "". *Why* are you doing
this?

As an aside: Felix has helped me set up a working copy of his setup that
solves the abovementioned problem 100% (published here yesterday). Where
is your contribution to solving the problem, Jay?
-- 
Robin S. Socha 

Re: traffic control and qmail-pop3d

[Leif Hartmann]

Hi,

>| and if not: is there a pop-server which can do this and which works with
>| vmailmgr??
>
>I don't know about any other Maildir-aware pop3 daemon
>
>| please help, it's very important and i'm searching for such a long time 
>now...
>
>Isn't it better to fire up your editor and look for sources ?

I did, but i am not a C-specialist and up to now i wasn't able to find the 
right position in the code. Maybe someone of this mailinglist can help me 
to find the code where i could log the transfered bytes and the username of 
qmail-pop3d.

bye,

 Leif

Re: SPAM - Help!

[Jack McKinney]

Big Brother tells me that Greg White wrote:
> 
> That's what I thought. So, if either of the following two items is true,
> postmaster will still get the bounces:
> 
> 1. The relay is not yet listed in an anti-relay domain.
> 
> 2. The receiving SMTP host is not using strong anti-spam techniques
>at all, such as rss,rbl,dul,orbs, etc.

   In these cases, YOUR postmaster would get the bounce.

> Not helpful in all cases, given the ease of access to a new dialup
> account,
> and sending the forged header messages out through your ISPs
> smarthost...

This is an example of condoning spam.  That ISP should have an AUP
against spamming, and the ability to enforce it.  I'd like to see ISPs
put a large fine clause in their AUP for spamming...  I don't know how
legal it'd be, though...

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Re: people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on th is list...

[Jason Brooke]

> Poor Jay, doesn't your Mailtoy have kill function? And speaking of
> Mailtoys, yours does not produce reference headers and your quoting is
> an abomination. You do know what you're doing the archive of this list,
> don't you? Check here:
> http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/10/threads.html
> and check for things like "". *Why* are you doing
> this?


He might be doing it to annoy you. I know that's why I do it.

jason

Re: people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on th is list...

[Brett Randall]

> "Jason" == Jason Brooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Has anyone actually noticed just how screwed the subject of this
thread is? :)
-- 
"Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of
the computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep
up with Apple."

- Byte, December 1994

gcc on Solaris

[Jon]

Hi,

I am trying to complie Qmail on my Solaris server.  I need to try and get it
to use GCC to complie the files, I know I need to edit the conf-cc file but
I don't know what to add in it.

Is it just the path to gcc and nothing else?

Thanks,

Jon

Pre-complied qmail

[Jon]

Hi,

Does any know where I can download pre-complied binerys for Qmail for my
Solaris server?

Thanks,

Jon

Re: SPAM - Help!

[Adam McKenna]

On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 12:15:19AM -0500, Jack McKinney wrote:
> Maybe.  If the email is rejected AFTER being accepted by your mail
> server, then your mail server will bounce it based on the headers.
> If it is rejected at the SMTP port of your server (as is typical of
> the relay checking methods such as RBL and ORBS), then the sending mail
> server will generate the bounce.  This won't triple bounce at IBM, it
> will triple bounce to _itself_.

You're assuming that mail is getting injected locally.  In the vast majority
of spam, it's not.  It's getting injected from a throwaway dialup client to
an open relay via SMTP.

--Adam

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Re: FILTERING ATTACHEMENTS

[Andy Bradford]

Thus said "Anthony Abby" on Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:29:41 EDT:

> Can someone point me to documentation or just tell me how I can filter out
> ALL attachements to my smtp server.  I'm using Qmail solely in a listserver
> environment and I want to make sure that zero attachements get through.  I'm
> new to QMail though and don't readily see how this could be done.

You should use ezmlm as your list management software.  It has an 
option where you can tell it to strip out attachments of arbitrary MIME 
types.  I believe this is the -x option.  See www.ezmlm.org for more 
details and you might consider subscribing to the ezmlm mailing list as 
well...

Andy
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Re: people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on this list...

[Andy Bradford]

Thus said [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:00:11 MST:

> > and have your *real* address that you give out to people who you want to
> > have a stable address be user-@domain and be careful about
> > revealing that .  :)
> 
> That's a good idea Russ.

It is a very good idea, however, you have to absolutely trust the 
people you give out the extension to.  The first time they send out one 
of those dumb _forward this to as many people as you can_ type emails 
then the cat is out of the bag.  You could then delete the extension 
and inform them not to do it again and give them a new one.  This, 
however, only applies if you actually see that they have made such a 
blunder.  :-)

Andy
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Re: people are definately starting to harvest emailadresses on this list...

[Andy Bradford]

Thus said Brett Randall on 28 Oct 2000 22:28:51 +1100:

> A better alternative, IMHO, is to use a certain anti-spam e-mail
> address (someone on this list uses it but I can't remember who) that
> only lasts like a week, and then its gone. This gives most ppl enuf
> time to reply. This won't cut down your bandwidth, however, but it
> will cut down the spam in your inbox (instead of getting bigger and
> bigger, it will remain constantly low).

His name is Chris.  I haven't yet put his system to test yet, but I can 
attest that it works pretty nicely.  Here is the webpage if you are 
interested:

http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html

Andy
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RE: FILTERING ATTACHEMENTS

[Anthony Abby]

Andy, I appreciate the advice, but I like LISTAR much better.  The feature
set looks to be fuller to me than does EZMLM.  All I want to do is strip out
attachements at the SMTP level.  Is that possible?

Thanks
Anthony

> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Bradford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 1:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Qmaillist
> Subject: Re: FILTERING ATTACHEMENTS
>
>
> Thus said "Anthony Abby" on Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:29:41 EDT:
>
> > Can someone point me to documentation or just tell me how I can
> filter out
> > ALL attachements to my smtp server.  I'm using Qmail solely in
> a listserver
> > environment and I want to make sure that zero attachements get
> through.  I'm
> > new to QMail though and don't readily see how this could be done.
>
> You should use ezmlm as your list management software.  It has an
> option where you can tell it to strip out attachments of arbitrary MIME
> types.  I believe this is the -x option.  See www.ezmlm.org for more
> details and you might consider subscribing to the ezmlm mailing list as
> well...
>
> Andy
> --
> [---[system uptime]]
>  11:46am  up 22 days, 16:13,  4 users,  load average: 1.33, 1.34, 1.24
>
>
>

Re: FILTERING ATTACHEMENTS

[Andy Bradford]

Thus said "Anthony Abby" on Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:38:38 EST:

> Andy, I appreciate the advice, but I like LISTAR much better.  The feature
> set looks to be fuller to me than does EZMLM.  All I want to do is strip out
> attachements at the SMTP level.  Is that possible?

No, it is not possible to strip attachments at the SMTP level.  SMTP 
knows nothing of the contents of the message.  SMTP is for mail 
transfer only, not filtering.  You could roll your own type of 
attachment stripping routines though---and possibly even look at how 
ezmlm is doing it---that strip attachments before handing it over to
the mailing list software.  This would probably need to be done using
a dot-qmail but my guess is that you could do it with a nice perl
script or whatever language you are familiar with.  All this seems
unecessarily superfluous since ezmlm already handles this nicely,
but it sounds like you want your own solution... :-)

Andy
p.s. If LISTAR has such a big feature list, why can't it do the
stripping for you?!? ;-)
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badmailfrom

[wolfgang zeikat]

is there a way to put all hosts from one domain into badmailfrom?

not all users from one host of that domain as in 
@host.domain.com

but all users from all hosts of domain.com ...

RE: FILTERING ATTACHEMENTS

[Anthony Abby]

> Andy
> p.s. If LISTAR has such a big feature list, why can't it do the
> stripping for you?!? ;-)
> --


It can, but I wanted to do it before the messages got handed off to the
lists.  Thanks anayway.

Anthony

Problem with new install...

[jon]

Hi,

Just installed qmail, and everything went well - well I think so.  I tried
to send some mail though /var/qmail/bin/sendmail from a perl program and got
the following error message back -

qmail-inject: fatal: qq trouble in home directory (#4.3.0)

Any ideas what the problem is?  I am using the latest version of qmail on a
Solaris server.

Thanks,

Jon

Re: Problem with new install...

[Alex Pennace]

On Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:21:52PM -, jon wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just installed qmail, and everything went well - well I think so.  I tried
> to send some mail though /var/qmail/bin/sendmail from a perl program and got
> the following error message back -
> 
> qmail-inject: fatal: qq trouble in home directory (#4.3.0)
> 
> Any ideas what the problem is?  I am using the latest version of qmail on a
> Solaris server.

qmail-queue can't chdir into /var/qmail/. Rerun "make setup" to fix
the permissions.

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where is the mail

[Alan Chung]

I have setup a qmail server and everything looks fine.  DNS is setup 
correctly pointing to it.  There is one thing strange that I can't get mail 
from Mailbox.  But whenever I restart qmail daemon, those test mails that I 
have sent all come in once.  I can't find where they are.

Does anyone have a similar experience?

Thanks in advance.

Alan 

Re: where is the mail

[Brett Randall]

> "Alan" == Alan Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alan>  I have setup a qmail server and everything looks fine.  DNS is
Alan>  setup correctly pointing to it.  There is one thing strange
Alan>  that I can't get mail >From Mailbox.  But whenever I restart
Alan>  qmail daemon, those test mails that I have sent all come in
Alan>  once.  I can't find where they are.

When you send a mail, what do the logs say before you restart the
process?
-- 
"But what...is it good for?"

- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968,
commenting on the microchip

Re: where is the mail

[Chris Johnson]

On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:54:48AM +0900, Alan Chung wrote:
> I have setup a qmail server and everything looks fine.  DNS is setup 
> correctly pointing to it.  There is one thing strange that I can't get mail 
> from Mailbox.  But whenever I restart qmail daemon, those test mails that I 
> have sent all come in once.  I can't find where they are.

http://web.infoave.net/~dsill/lwq.html#trigger

Chris

RE: What to do about these barelinefeeds?

[Andrew Richards]

Hi,

Sorry to resurrect an old thread: I've just looked through the replies,
and no-one seems to have mentioned fixcrio as an alternative solution.
This changes any incoming SMTP bare LFs into CR-LFs. I've used
it on a few systems and haven't heard any complaints yet, although
there is some debate as to whether a bare LF can appear *legally* in
an SMTP message (e.g. part of binary data).

fixcrio is part of DJB's ucspi-tcp-0.88 package. Search the archives
for "fixcrio" for more information - and see the relevant DJB pages.

cheers,

Andrew.

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From:   Hubbard, David[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   27 October 2000 10:35
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject:RE: What to do about these barelinefeeds?

Thanks Adam, that is exactly what I needed to know.
I'm assuming that all I need to do is edit qmail-smtpd.c
and change this:

void straynewline() { out("451 See
http://pobox.com/~djb/docs/smtplf.html.\r\n"); flush(); _exit(1); }

To:

void straynewline() { out("553 See
http://pobox.com/~djb/docs/smtplf.html.\r\n"); flush(); _exit(1); }

Yeah, MS's SMTP service was hitting my server once per
second for a few hours before I noticed, what a piece of
garbage...

Thanks,

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Adam McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:19 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: What to do about these barelinefeeds?


On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:31:01PM -0400, Hubbard, David wrote:
> Thanks, I hadn't seen that link before.  I'm sorry, I meant
> that the 256 was the status code I see in my smtpd log.
> But, in searching the archives, I saw reference to people
> saying the bare LF generates a 451 and not a 553.  I can't
> verify that since I don't have a mailer to try it with
> but it seems that you'd never want the 451 in this case
> because obviously it will be the same mailer that will
> retry each time and it will continue to be broken for each
> try...

You're right, I grepped my source for it but I forgot that I had modified
the
source to produce a permanent error code instead of a temporary one to avoid
the exact problem you are describing (M$ S(hitty)MTP service hammering my
server.)