Re: Server won't start :-(

[Romeyn Prescott]

Somewhen around 9:03 AM -0500 2/8/01, a person believing themself to 
be Romeyn Prescott scribbled:
>Please Help.

Disregard.  I think.  It wasn't qmail that wasn't working, it was 
popd.  I got that going and can once again check for mail.

Mea culpa.  And sorry too for not being more specific in my original message.

...ROMeyn
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Server won't start :-(

[Romeyn Prescott]

Please Help.

Some time ago (several months) I successfully set up qmail on my 
Linux box at work.  (I use it as a "junk" mail server.)

I used "Life With qmail" as my guide and things went well.  It worked 
and HAS worked flawlessly for me lo these many months.

Yesterday, for the first time since that time of installation I had 
occasion to reboot my box.  I guess I must never have properly 
configured qmail to start automatically, 'cause it didn't!

Re-reading through LWQM I attempted to "manually" start qmail by 
executing /usr/local/sbin/qmail (script follows).  Upon doing that, 
my console starts scrolling with the following messages:

supervise: fatal: unable to acquire log/supervise/lock: temporary failure

supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-send/supervise/lock: 
temporary failure

supervise: fatal: unable to acquire qmail-smtpd/supervise/lock: 
temporary failure


Unfortunately, the failure seems anything BUT temporary!

I'm writing as a leech who really wants his qmail server operational 
again and knows that y'all aren't sitting around with nothing to do, 
but hopes that someone can off the top of their head offer me a 
suggestion/solution and save me a lot of re-reading.

 please don't hurt me 


My /usr/local/sbin/qmail (if it helps):

#!/bin/sh

PATH=/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
export PATH

case "$1" in
   start)
 echo -n "Starting qmail: svscan"
 cd /var/qmail/supervise
 env - PATH="$PATH" svscan &
 echo $! > /var/run/svscan.pid
 echo "."
 ;;
   stop)
 echo -n "Stopping qmail: svscan"
 kill `cat /var/run/svscan.pid`
 echo -n " qmail"
 svc -dx /var/qmail/supervise/*
 echo -n " logging"
 svc -dx /var/qmail/supervise/*/log
 echo "."
 ;;
   stat)
 cd /var/qmail/supervise
 svstat * */log
 ;;
   doqueue|alrm)
 echo "Sending ALRM signal to qmail-send."
 svc -a /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 ;;
   queue)
 qmail-qstat
 qmail-qread
 ;;
   reload|hup)
 echo "Sending HUP signal to qmail-send."
 svc -h /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 ;;
   pause)
 echo "Pausing qmail-send"
 svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "Pausing qmail-smtpd"
 svc -p /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 ;;
   cont)
 echo "Continuing qmail-send"
 svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "Continuing qmail-smtpd"
 svc -c /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 ;;
   restart)
 echo "Restarting qmail:"
 echo "* Stopping qmail-smtpd."
 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 echo "* Sending qmail-send SIGTERM and restarting."
 svc -t /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-send
 echo "* Restarting qmail-smtpd."
 svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/qmail-smtpd
 ;;
   cdb)
 tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp < /etc/tcp.smtp
 chmod 644 /etc/tcp.smtp*
 echo "Reloaded /etc/tcp.smtp."
 ;;
   help)
 cat 

Re: Install Failure-Error 127

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 3:59 PM +0100 12/5/00, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>* Herr Blüschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>  When I try to compile qmail, I receive the following error masage (RH
>>  7)
>
>>  #make setup check
>>  ./compile qmail-local.c
>>  ./compile: exec: cc: not found
>>  make: *** [qmail-local.o] Error 127
>>  #
>
>>  What do I make wrong ?
>
>You bought a DeadRat .0 release. They all suck. Either you didn't
>install the C-Compiler or they fucked it up (cf. kgcc). It's not a qmail
>problem in either case and you should contact the RH mailing list.
>--

I'd say the former is probably likely, as I compiled and installed
qmail on RH (or DR, of you prefer ;-) ) with no troubles (at least as
far as compiling went).

...ROMeyn
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Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 10:01 AM -0800 11/29/00, Barley wrote:
>I want to second what was said here. The manuals are often inadequate for
>newbies. I never would have gotten qmail set up without the patient and
>generous help of those on this list. Thanks to everyone who helped me! I'm
>sure glad I wasn't raked over the coals like some of the recent posters.

At the risk of seeming to be on the side of the geek-elitist ilk on 
this list, I would like to say that while they don't go out of their 
way to say as such, the docs (both provided and those by other 
parties as listed on qmail.org) DO assume a certain level of 
knowledge about Linux/Unix as a whole, without which you undoubtedly 
will get lost.

I'm not exactly a Linux newbie, but I'm far from an 
expert/administrator.  I'm in that "knows enough to be dangerous" 
category.  :-)

In my self-studies of Linux I have come across lots of reading 
material.  Not a lot of it sticks with me, but I do so love the 
following quote and I think it says rather nicely what some of the 
dinks here don't seem to be able to articulate:

--
  Any system reference will require you to read it at least three 
times before you get a reasonable picture of what to do.  If you need 
to read it more than three times, then there is probably some other 
information that you really should be reading first.  If you are only 
reading a document once, then you are being too impatient with 
yourself.
  It is very important to identify the exact terms that you fail 
to understand in a document.  Always try to back-trace to the precise 
word before you continue.
  It is usually cheaper and faster to read a document three times 
than to pay someone to train you.  Don't be lazy.
  Don't learn new things according to deadlines.  Your Unix 
knowledge is going to evolve by grace and fascination, not by 
pressure.
--

I really love that.  (It's from RUTE User Tutorial and Exposition, 
available somewhere at linuxdoc.org.)  It is good advice that a good 
friend of mine is constantly drilling me with.  You won't learn 
anything if other people are always giving you the answers.

I installed qmail myself.  Without help from this list or anyone 
else.  But it was NOT easy (for me).  I read the docs.  All of them. 
Then I read them again.  Then I started.  And I STILL made mistakes. 
I read again.  I gradually found and corrected all my mistakes.  Now 
it works.  Yay for me.  But it was a lot of WORK.

But given that this was a scant two weeks ago, I'm deeply sympathetic 
to others experiencing the problems I had.  Maybe in a few 
weeks/months after tweaking and sitting on a happy system I'll turn 
into yet another callous asshole with better things to do with my 
life.  If I do, someone smack me.

Don't hate me for using the word "dink," :-D
...ROMeyn
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Re: dot-qmail question (again) :-)

[Romeyn Prescott]

>
>  > Try this:
>  >
>  > ---
>  > /path/to/home/Maildir/
>  > &[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > ---

Sorry.  It's been a day.  I meant to say that I tried this with 
success on my server.  It worked for me.

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Re: dot-qmail question (again) :-)

[Romeyn Prescott]

Try this:

---
/path/to/home/Maildir/
&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---

...ROMeyn

At 6:09 PM +0200 11/29/00, Milen Petrinski wrote:
>Hi,
>will anybody answer this question? I have the same problem :-( I'm trying to
>write a .qmail file, to allow to forward the messages to that user and to
>leave a copy in user's maildir.
>
>be-01:/home/vpopmail/domains/bates.eu.com/mpetrinski# more .qmail
>./Maildir/
>office
>
>As written in dot-qmail man page, this should work fine, but qmail
>interpretes the ./Maildir/ line as address, not es maildir path. Why?
>
>Milen
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Visar Emini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:59 PM
>Subject: dot-qmail question (again) :-)
>
>
>>  I have a strange situation.
>>
>>  In my .qmail file I specify a local path of my ./Maildir/ where a copy of
>>  message should be kept:
>>  /path/to/my/maildir/
>>  But this line is treated as e-mail address not as a local path?
>>  I get an error saying that:
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not listed in control/locals ...
>etc.
>  >
>  > Does anyone have an idea what hte problem could be?
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  >
>  > Visar
>  >
>  >

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Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[Romeyn Prescott]

>Sometimes I wonder what brings people like you to posting this whining
>luser shit over and over and over again? This is not your new-age pink
>treehuggers society - this is a technical discussion list. IT-Darwinism,
>y'know? Survival of the brightest and, like, stuff. Huh-huh.
>--
>Robin S. Socha

If this list were, as it seems you, sir/ma'am (sorry, your name is 
gender-neutral), would prefer, populated exclusively by people who 
already know all there is to know about qmail; about what (I'm 
curious) would you discuss?

Perhaps we should ask someone to start a qmail-newbies list so that 
A) the newbies can go somewhere where they know they stand a chance 
of at least having their issues addressed by other more knowledgeable 
individuals who don't MIND helping the "clueless" because they were 
"there" too one day; and B) the elitists won't be bothered anymore 
and can commence to posting messages in binary and stop catering to 
us idiots who are still hung up on the inefficiencies of English as a 
language.

:-|

...ROMeyn
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Re: .qmail Question

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 4:02 PM +0100 11/27/00, Hans-Juergen Schwarz wrote:
>Hallo all,
>I like to forward a Address in the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a .qmail
>File. So I created the file .qmail-j:g: but it doesn´t work. Message
>comes back with "Sorry no mailbox here by that name" What went
>wrong? How can I handle that? I´m using qmail 1.03 and vpopmail 4.9.4
>regards
>

The CONTENTS of the .qmail file should be the address to which you
want to forward mail and nothing else (assuming you aren't already
using a .qmail file for something else).

The NAME of the .qmail file is just that: .qmail

For example, if I have an account [EMAIL PROTECTED] and want all mail
delivered to [EMAIL PROTECTED] auto-forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would
create a .qmail file in user's Home Directory called .qmail, the
contents of which is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" on a single line (no quotes).

...ROMeyn

REFERENCE:  # man dot-qmail or http://www.qmail.org/man/man9/dot-qmail.html
ALSO: http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html#dot-qmail-files

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Re: changing to tcpserver

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 2:26 PM + 11/27/00, Neil Grant wrote:
>hi
>
>I have qmail running via inetd and want to use the relayctrl stuff - so need
>to use tcpserver instead - but I cant find any documentation in qmail for
>using it under tcpserver
>
>any help + pointers please
>
>Neil

Have you looked in /var/qmail/doc/FAQ, section 5?

Life with qmail (linked off the qmail.org page) is also very good.

...ROMeyn
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Re: identd

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 1:58 AM -0500 11/26/00, Phil Barnett wrote:
>On 26 Nov 2000, at 1:34, Romeyn Prescott wrote:
>
>>  At 12:26 AM -0500 11/26/00, Phil Barnett wrote:
>>  >Does qmail require identd to be running to operate properly?
>
>>  No, you can, per the docs, use tcpserver, tcpd, or xinetd as an
>>  alternative.
>
>I was referring to identd, not inetd.

ACK!!!

Sorry!  I gotta stop reading E-mail after midnight...

:-)

...ROMeyn
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Re: identd

[Romeyn Prescott]

No, you can, per the docs, use tcpserver, tcpd, or xinetd as an alternative.

...ROMeyn

At 12:26 AM -0500 11/26/00, Phil Barnett wrote:
>Does qmail require identd to be running to operate properly?
>
>
>--
>   Phil Barnett  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
>   FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net

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Re: secrets and lies

[Romeyn Prescott]

>
>See http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/magic-cauldron-3.html
>and other similar writings by ESR and others involved in the open source
>movement.  The motives behind Open Source are not secret -- they are readily
>available, all you need to do is look.

I can't believe I read the whole thing...  ;-)

*whew*

Some of that was pretty heavy.  I'll re-read it again when I can 
devote more attention to it.  But thank you very much.  I found it 
most enlightening!

...ROMeyn
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Re: secrets and lies

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 1:32 PM +0100 11/23/00, Felix von Leitner wrote:
>Thus spake Raul Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>>  Picking up a leaflet does not involve making a copy of it.
>
>>  Pulling something off of a web site involves creating a copy on your
>>  local machine.
>
>Please enlighten me: who bullshitted you Americans into believing that
>one needs a license to use software?  Or that software is patentable?
>
>And how did he go about this feat?
>
>The bullshit level of this comes close to major religions (who tell you
>that there is an invisible man in the sky who makes you rot in hell if
>you believe in other gods, but he also loves you).
>

Ah, Felix, welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism!  I'm 
American and I don't believe I need a license to use software.  I 
simply have no LEGAL choice.  Money being a religion unto itself, 
everyone's in the software game for the money.  There IS a certain 
amount of sense to it...why spend countless hours pounding out code 
and never realizing any financial gain from your efforts?  I suppose 
that's great and groovy if you're independently wealthy or have no 
family or friends, but for most people writing/creating software, 
they are doing so as a means of financial support.  They therefore 
want/need to look out for their interest.  If a man sells 10 copies 
of his software and it gets installed on 10,000 computers, he's still 
only sold and received money for 10 copies.  Where's the profit in 
that?

And if there's no profit, why do it?  It's a question I often ask a 
friend of mine.  He's a real Open Source zealot (not a Bad Thing!) 
and writes/invents all this mind-bogglingly useful software...and 
then gives it away!!  This confuses the bejeezus out of me, and 
I'm not sure I'll ever fully understand WHY.  Not being a 
prrogrammer, I guess I'll never realize the sense of prestige or 
satisfaction one gets out of putting 1's and 0's together in an order 
that no one ever has before.  But just because there is no physical 
result or manifestation of one's toilings, does than mean, as you, 
sir, seem to imply, that one is not deserving of a portion of the 
rewards (financial or otherwise) reaped from the use of one's 
inventions or ideas?  I think that's the whole point.  If there's 
nothing to be gained by doing something, then why do it?  I guess 
that's the whole idea.  We are all, after all, rational self 
maximizers; there's no such thing as a selfless deed.

What, Felix, (and you probably ought to respond offline, should you 
be so inclined, as this has precious little to do with qmail) do you 
suggest?  How should the software "empires" of this world make their 
money if not by charging for their software and protecting the 
license (bought and paid for permission to use it) that goes along 
with it?  I'm genuinely curious.

Sincerely,
...ROMeyn
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Re: auto append signature file to all outgoing messages

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 3:57 PM + 11/25/00, John Reddie wrote:
>Hi
>
>I nearly found this in the FAQ, but not quite...
>
>We need to add a 'disclaimer' automatically to all outgoing messages from
>every user.
>
>I guess this is easy if you know how!
>
>help please!
>
>many thanks

I searched the list archives and came up with this idea:
-
Run two queues.  In the regular qmail, operating at /var/qmail/,
create a virtual domain by putting this into
/var/qmail/control/virtualdomains:

:remote

and then put

| cat - signature | /var/qmail-remote/bin/qmail-inject -f "$SENDER" -a "$EXT2"

in ~alias/.qmail-remote-default

The other qmail should be compiled with /var/qmail-remote in
conf-qmail.  It should have empty locals and virtualdomains files.
-

There may be others.  I have no idea if this will work.

...ROMeyn
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Re: Something strange with dot-qmail !

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 10:35 PM +0100 11/24/00, Robin S. Socha wrote:
>* Visar Emini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>  my .qmail file. 
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>--
>Robin S. Socha 

I'm a bit of a qmail newbie, but from what I've read that means any 
mail delivered to your account is forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hoping you got THIS,  ;-)
...ROMeyn
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Re: Qmail and RedHat7

[Romeyn Prescott]

At 4:54 PM -0700 11/22/00, Sean Reifschneider wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 05:46:44PM -0800, m wrote:
>>(has anyone installed qmail on RedHat7 yet...it did seem to compile ok)
>
>I've done 4 or 5 installs on KRUD 7, which is RedHat 7 + the errata.
>Are you using the RPMs from http://www.em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/
>
>They worked fine for me.  Too bad we can't just put up the pre-compiled
>binaries, eh?
>

I'm a complete qmail newbie, and I just (finally) successfully 
installed qmail on a brand-new RH7 installation.  I had problems, but 
I can attribute all of them to my own impatience and failure to RTFM.

...ROMeyn
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