Compile error

2001-07-30 Thread mick

Anyone know what component I'm missing:

# make setup check
nroff -man qmail-clean.8  qmail-clean.0
troff: fatal error: can't find macro file tty-char
make: *** [qmail-clean.0] Error 1

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Re: Compile error

2001-07-30 Thread mick


I have nroff 1.17 installed.
Ran make with the -k option, continue running after errors. Compiled fine,
just no man pages.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Lukas Beeler wrote:

 just a thought, but update nroff ?
 GNU nroff (groff) version 1.17
 works fine for me...
 
 At 08:29 30.07.2001 -0500, mick wrote:
 Anyone know what component I'm missing:
 
 # make setup check
 nroff -man qmail-clean.8  qmail-clean.0
 troff: fatal error: can't find macro file tty-char
 make: *** [qmail-clean.0] Error 1
 
 Thanks
 
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 At 08:29 30.07.2001 -0500, mick wrote:
 Anyone know what component I'm missing:
 
 # make setup check
 nroff -man qmail-clean.8  qmail-clean.0
 troff: fatal error: can't find macro file tty-char
 make: *** [qmail-clean.0] Error 1
 
 Thanks
 
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 Systems Administrator
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 1-800-859-6826
 *
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 ---\-\--
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groff/nroff tty??

2001-07-26 Thread mick

Hello,
  Tried to compile and got the no nroff error, install groff and now I get
this:

[root@newschools qmail-1.03]# make setup
nroff -man qmail-remote.8  qmail-remote.0
troff: fatal error: can't find macro file tty-char
make: *** [qmail-remote.0] Error 1

Sure I'm just missing another component. Any insight about what I'm
missing? tty-char?

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Re: Anyone interested in IPv6 support for qmail?

2001-06-27 Thread mick

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Felix von Leitner wrote:

 I'm asking because I consider porting qmail to IPv6.
 
 Before someone tells me: I know KAME did a patch.  I am not satisfied
 with their work.
 
 Felix


I dread thinking about all the work IPv6 is going to cause. But we can't
slow progress. Yes, I would be interested. 

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shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

Is there, or is there going to be, support for shadow password systems?

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Re: shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Henning Brauer wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:41:30AM -0500, mick wrote:
  Is there, or is there going to be, support for shadow password systems?
 
 What do you mean by shadow password support? Authentification for pop3 et
 al? This works.
 
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 * Roedingsmarkt 14, 20459 Hamburg, Germany   *
 Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity.
 (Dennis Ritchie)
 

Interesting. Not on my system. Here is how I start pop3:

/sbin/tcpserver -c 200 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup cheech.mtco.com
/bin/chechpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Mailbox 

Right out of the howto's and readme's, no mention of shadow passwords. So
I assumed it wasn't supported.

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Re: shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sven Mueller wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:41:30 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
 
  Is there, or is there going to be, support for shadow password systems?
 
 Huh? What has qmail (itself) got to do with passwords? Which program are
 you refering to? pop3d´s checkpasswd? There are numerous implementations
 for password checking, I´m sure there is at least one with shadow
 support.
 
 cu,
 sven
 -- 
 Sven MuellerTel: +49-231-401550
 Giessereistr. 11a   Mobil: +49-172-2323802
 D-44289 Dortmundemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


cool, and yes I am using checkpassword. perhaps a recommendation of the
numerous implementations would help out.
 

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Re: shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, mick wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sven Mueller wrote:
 
  On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:41:30 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
  
   Is there, or is there going to be, support for shadow password systems?
  
  Huh? What has qmail (itself) got to do with passwords? Which program are
  you refering to? pop3d´s checkpasswd? There are numerous implementations
  for password checking, I´m sure there is at least one with shadow
  support.
  
  cu,
  sven
  -- 
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  Giessereistr. 11a   Mobil: +49-172-2323802
  D-44289 Dortmundemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 cool, and yes I am using checkpassword. perhaps a recommendation of the
 numerous implementations would help out.
  

This is the error message my mail client returns:
this user has no $HOME/Maildir
please enter a new password

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Re: shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Henning Brauer wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:58:40AM -0500, mick wrote:
  /bin/chechpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Mailbox 
 
 Uh-oh - typo alarm!
 
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 (Dennis Ritchie)
 

Yeah, typo has been fixed. but see my error message from previous
messages.

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Re: shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, mick wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, mick wrote:
 
  On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sven Mueller wrote:
  
   On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:41:30 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
   
Is there, or is there going to be, support for shadow password systems?
   
   Huh? What has qmail (itself) got to do with passwords? Which program are
   you refering to? pop3d´s checkpasswd? There are numerous implementations
   for password checking, I´m sure there is at least one with shadow
   support.
   
   cu,
   sven
   -- 
   Sven MuellerTel: +49-231-401550
   Giessereistr. 11a   Mobil: +49-172-2323802
   D-44289 Dortmundemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  cool, and yes I am using checkpassword. perhaps a recommendation of the
  numerous implementations would help out.
   
 
 This is the error message my mail client returns:
 this user has no $HOME/Maildir
 please enter a new password
 

Before I get the obvious!!!
Yes Maildir is present, and smtp does deliver messages into the new
subdirectory.

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Re: shadow password support

2001-06-12 Thread mick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Dean Staff wrote:

 On 12 Jun 2001, at 12:01, mick wrote:
 
  On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, mick wrote:
 
   On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, mick wrote:
  
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sven Mueller wrote:
   
 On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:41:30 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

  Is there, or is there going to be, support for shadow password
  systems?

 Huh? What has qmail (itself) got to do with passwords? Which
 program are you refering to? pop3d´s checkpasswd? There are
 numerous implementations for password checking, I´m sure there
 is at least one with shadow support.

 [...]
   
cool, and yes I am using checkpassword. perhaps a recommendation
of the numerous implementations would help out.
   
  
   This is the error message my mail client returns:
   this user has no $HOME/Maildir
   please enter a new password
  
 
  Before I get the obvious!!!
  Yes Maildir is present, and smtp does deliver messages into the new
  subdirectory.
 
 
 Hi Mick,
 
 I'd double check how you start pop3-d. In your previous post you
 showed your xinetd.conf (inetd ) line as the following...
 
 /sbin/tcpserver -c 200 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
 cheech.mtco.com
 /bin/chechpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Mailbox 
 
 Showing that you are using Mailbox for delivery, but in later
 messages you talk of Maildir delivery.  These are two very different
 things.
 
 Mailbox appends each new message to the $HOME/Mailbox file, where as
 Maildir writes a single file for each new message to
 $HOME/Maildir/new.
 
 Try changing the xinetd.conf line to read Maildir instead of Mailbox.
 
 Just my two cents worth.
 
 Good Luck
 Dean
 

Thanks Dean. That was the step that was overlooked!

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rpm

2001-06-11 Thread mick

anyone have any luck with the qmail rpm?
have a box I just want to get up and running fast.

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RE: qmail as Back up MX box

2001-04-26 Thread mick

[tail between my legs]
burned by my fat fingers again! fixed the type-o in my SOA
record and it worked great.

Thanks everyone for your responses. Very helpfull as usual.



On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Willy De la Court wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 
 On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 23:40, mick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 wrote:
  It resolves to an IP:
   [root@ns2 log]# ping bogus.mtco.net
  PING bogus.mtco.net (24.17.22.210): 56 octets data
 
 Here is a paste of the results i get
  set type=mx
  mtco.net
 Server:  stargate.speedy.home
 Address:  192.168.1.253
 
 Non-authoritative answer:
 mtco.netpreference = 30, mail exchanger = ns2.mtco.com
 mtco.netpreference = 20, mail exchanger = bogus.mtco.com
 
 Authoritative answers can be found from:
 mtco.netnameserver = ns2.mtco.com
 mtco.netnameserver = ns.mtco.com
 ns2.mtco.cominternet address = 207.179.200.10
 ns.mtco.com internet address = 207.179.200.2
  server 207.179.200.10
 Default Server:  ns2.mtco.com
 Address:  207.179.200.10
 
  set type=a
  bogus.mtco.com
 Server:  ns2.mtco.com
 Address:  207.179.200.10
 
 *** ns2.mtco.com can't find bogus.mtco.com: Non-existent host/domain
 
 so it seems there is a problem with your dns
 i can't seem to resolve the bogus.mtco.com
 hmm just noticed your pinging to bogus.mtco.net and not to
 bogus.mtco.com as in the mx record
 
 
  An IP that is not going to respond To simulate a primary MX
  going down. Which is the point of a backup MX server. If the
  primary were responding and running smpt it wouldn't matter :)
  
  
  On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Willy De la Court wrote:
  
   -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
   Hash: SHA1
   
   
   On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 22:30, mick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   wrote:
There is a bogus MX record setup for testing:
;
;MX Records for mtco.net
;
mtco.net.   IN  MX  20  bogus.mtco.com.
mtco.net.   IN  MX  30  ns2.mtco.com.

It points to a non-responsive IP address to simulate the
primary server going down.

   
   that looks good but bogus.mtco.com does not resolve to an ip that
   maybe 
   the problem the dns resolving of qmail probably disregards this
   hostname.
   try to add an a record so that bogus.mtco.com resolves to an ip
   of a machine 
   that does run smtp
   
   Willy De la Court
   Quint NV
   http://www.quint.be/projects
   
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qmail as Back up MX box

2001-04-25 Thread mick

Hello, 
I have a system that I want to run qmail as a backup MX server.
I have all the domains I want to accept mail for in control/rcpthosts.
I don't have anything in locals or virtualdomans.
It should by default queue the messages for one week right?
This is what I get instead:

I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6)

What am I doing wrong?

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Re: qmail as Back up MX box

2001-04-25 Thread mick

There is a bogus MX record setup for testing:
;
;MX Records for mtco.net
;
mtco.net.   IN  MX  20  bogus.mtco.com.
mtco.net.   IN  MX  30  ns2.mtco.com.

It points to a non-responsive IP address to simulate the primary server
going down.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have a system that I want to run qmail as a backup MX server.
  I have all the domains I want to accept mail for in control/rcpthosts.
 [...]
  Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
  it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6)
  
  What am I doing wrong?
 
 If you want your qmail server to act as a backup MX for a domain, there has to
 be another MX record of higher priority (lower distance number) published in
 the DNS.
 
 i.e. if you want mail.foo.net to act as a backup MX for example.org, and there
 is an MX record for example.org with distance 10 pointing to mail.foo.net ,
 there has to be another MX record for example.org, with a distance of _less_
 than 10, pointing to another mail server.  This is so mail.foo.net knows where
 to send the mail next.
 
 You can also use smtproutes, but that's another story.
 
 Charles
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 ---
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 GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
 Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
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Re: qmail as Back up MX box

2001-04-25 Thread mick

Great! I guess you haven't read my response. 

It is the second [30] MX. the first is [20]. And I even sent the clip from
the SOA. 

Thats why I'm asking what else would need to be done.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Jurjen Oskam wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:43:13PM -0500, mick wrote:
 
  I have a system that I want to run qmail as a backup MX server.
   [...]  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
  it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6)
 
 I'd guess that message is very clear. The best-preference (*lowest* number!
 think of it as a distance.) mail exchanger isn't configured to accept mail
 for that domain.
 
 -- 
   Jurjen Oskam * http://www.stupendous.org/ for PGP key * Q265230
   pro-life bombing bush hacker attack USA president 2600 decss assassinate
 nuclear strike terrorism gun control eta military disrupt economy encryption
10:33pm  up 3 days,  2:19,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
 
 

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RE: qmail as Back up MX box

2001-04-25 Thread mick

It resolves to an IP:
 [root@ns2 log]# ping bogus.mtco.net
PING bogus.mtco.net (24.17.22.210): 56 octets data

An IP that is not going to respond To simulate a primary MX going
down. Which is the point of a backup MX server. If the primary were
responding and running smpt it wouldn't matter :)


On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Willy De la Court wrote:

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 On Wednesday, April 25, 2001 22:30, mick [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 wrote:
  There is a bogus MX record setup for testing:
  ;
  ;MX Records for mtco.net
  ;
  mtco.net.   IN  MX  20  bogus.mtco.com.
  mtco.net.   IN  MX  30  ns2.mtco.com.
  
  It points to a non-responsive IP address to simulate the primary
  server going down.
  
 
 that looks good but bogus.mtco.com does not resolve to an ip that
 maybe 
 the problem the dns resolving of qmail probably disregards this
 hostname.
 try to add an a record so that bogus.mtco.com resolves to an ip of a
 machine 
 that does run smtp
 
 Willy De la Court
 Quint NV
 http://www.quint.be/projects
 
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IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
removed IP, still getting complaints.
turned system off, still getting complaints.

Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
headers:
  Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
  Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
  mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
  Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400

Again, sorry for the off topic post, and thanks.

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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

The system is off, and has had that ip removed. It no longer belongs to a
functioning system. 207.179.205.110 if it helps.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Alex Pennace wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:00:32PM -0500, mick wrote:
  hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
  real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
  getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
  removed IP, still getting complaints.
  turned system off, still getting complaints.
  
  Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
  headers:
Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
  by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
  for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
  id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400
 
 How is anyone supposed to give you a sure answer if you munge/hide
 relevant information?
 
 

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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Alex Pennace wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 04:00:32PM -0500, mick wrote:
  hello, sorry for the off topic post. 
  real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail.
  getting complaints of spam originating from that box.
  removed IP, still getting complaints.
  turned system off, still getting complaints.
  
  Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
  headers:
Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70])
  by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910
  for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by
mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail
Service Version 5.5.2653.13)
  id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400
 
 How is anyone supposed to give you a sure answer if you munge/hide
 relevant information?

As an additional note: Looks like every system receiving the spam are
Exchange servers. Is someone exploiting an exchange fault? 

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Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic

2001-04-16 Thread mick

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers?
 
 Short answer:  yes.  Spammers are getting better at spoofing mail headers, as
 misguided "spam protection" features in MTAs force them to.
 
 Long answer:  can't analyze the situation properly when you munge header
 information.  You might try running the headers through SpamCop or SamSpade to
 see if they can detect the header forgery.


munge the headers? that was a direct copy from the spamcop message! I
changed the ip address because that ip (and the server it used to be
on) is no longer operational. but thats it. 207.179.205.110 was the
address.
 
 Charles

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Re: Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-15 Thread mick

Ok, thats better. Abuse.net wouldn't go past that first test I listed.
Thanks Muhammad.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Muhammad Ichsan wrote:

 May be my report will help you. I was tested the host
 (leviathan-tu1.mtco.com)
 for relaying from my host. Here is the report :
 
 220 MTCO ESMTP
 helo mtco.com
 250 MTCO
 mail from:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 250 ok
 rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
 rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
 rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
 
 So, if the domain of recipient address is not in your rcpthosts or
 virtualdomain,
 it will be rejected. And it means your qmail server was not an open relay.
 
 regards,
 
 --M. Ichsan--
 
  Here is the output from another:
   RSET
   250 flushed
   MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   250 ok
   RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   250 ok
   DATA
   354 go ahead
   (message body)
   250 ok 984601860 qp 25826
This one isn't as clear, because it's sending to a local address which
  is ok. The first test outputs in html so it's pretty ugly to cut and
  paste.
Really I'm just looking to ease my mind and confirm with 100% certainty
  that I'm not an open relay in any way.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-15 Thread mick

Thanks.
Your explanation of tcpserver's initial role in the process, etc...
has helped put my mind at ease.


On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No bad feelings intended.
 
 Not offended; just frustrated.
 
  Here is the full output:
 
 Perfect.
 
  locals:
 [...]
  Messages for mtco.com are delivered locally.
 [...]
  rcpthosts:
 [...]
  SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at mtco.com.
 
 This was the domain used in that "relay test".  Since it's one of your
 domains, by definition it's not a relay.  I think the test itself is
 probably bogus, although I haven't investigated it myself.
 
  morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect.
  morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect.
 
 You may want to look at putting your rcpthosts into the morercpthosts.cdb
 format -- with several hundred domains, it might (or might not) decrease
 the overhead of starting up qmail-smtpd slightly.  It would be worth
 measuring, anyway, to see if there's a difference.
 
  Phew, that was a mouth full. :) Hope that helps. Thank you again Charles.
 
 Yes, it helped, and you're welcome.  Sorry if I came off a bit harsh;
 it came on the tail end of fighting with a user who refused to provide the
 information we asked for in trying to diagnose his problem.
 
 Charles
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Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-14 Thread mick

Got a problem here. Using tcpserver to control relay's, but it also blocks
local mail. Noticed that once we got tcpserver locked down that the volume
of mail diminished, and the queue was getting huge. Here is a tcp.smtp
snipette:

207.179.223.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
198.102.252.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
:allow 

The :allow at the end makes the server an open relay! Not acceptable. But
changing that to deny causes the above symptoms. Here is how qmail is
started:

/bin/csh -cf '/var/qmail/rc '
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 200 -v -u 201 -g 200 0
smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 21 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -c 200 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
leviathan.mtco.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 

The domains we wish to accept local mail for are in control/me locals
rcpthosts or virtualdomans files.

Any suggestions as to the error I've made?

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Re: Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-14 Thread mick

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Johan Almqvist wrote:

 * mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010314 09:14]:
  Got a problem here. Using tcpserver to control relay's, but it also blocks
  local mail. Noticed that once we got tcpserver locked down that the volume
  of mail diminished, and the queue was getting huge. Here is a tcp.smtp
  snipette:
  
  207.179.223.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
  198.102.252.:allow,RELAYCLIENT=""
  :allow 
  
  The :allow at the end makes the server an open relay! Not acceptable.
 
 No it doesn't. The allow means "allow the connection". RELAYCLIENT=""
 means "allow relaying to the world".


Ok, then how can I test wether I have an open relay or not? All of the
tests from the web show us as an open relay because the connection and
message are accepted.
 
  But changing that to deny causes the above symptoms. Here is how qmail is
  started:
 
 -Johan
 -- 
 Johan Almqvist
 http://www.almqvist.net/johan/qmail/
 

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Re: Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-14 Thread mick

Here is a snipette from showctl:
---
qmail home directory: /var/qmail.
user-ext delimiter: -.
paternalism (in decimal): 2.
silent concurrency limit: 120.
subdirectory split: 23.
user ids: 200, 201, 202, 0, 203, 204, 205, 206.
group ids: 200, 201.

badmailfrom:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] not accepted in MAIL FROM.
... etc ...

bouncefrom: (Default.) Bounce user name is MAILER-DAEMON.
bouncehost: (Default.) Bounce host name is leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
concurrencylocal: Local concurrency is 120.
concurrencyremote: (Default.) Remote concurrency is 20.
databytes: (Default.) SMTP DATA limit is 0 bytes.
defaultdomain: Default domain name is mtco.com.
defaulthost: Default host name is mtco.com.
doublebouncehost: (Default.) 2B recipient host: leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
doublebounceto: (Default.) 2B recipient user: postmaster.
envnoathost: (Default.) Presumed domain name is leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
helohost: (Default.) SMTP client HELO host name is leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
idhost: (Default.) Message-ID host name is leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
localiphost: (Default.) Local IP address becomes leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
locals:
Messages for localhost are delivered locally.
Messages for leviathan-tu2.mtco.com are delivered locally.
... etc ...

me: My name is leviathan-tu1.mtco.com.
percenthack: (Default.) The percent hack is not allowed.
plusdomain: Plus domain name is mtco.com.
qmqpservers: (Default.) No QMQP servers.
queuelifetime: (Default.) Message lifetime in the queue is 604800 seconds.
rcpthosts:
SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at lesreelbenefit.org.
... etc ...

morercpthosts: (Default.) No effect.
morercpthosts.cdb: (Default.) No effect.
smtpgreeting: SMTP greeting: 220 MTCO.
smtproutes: (Default.) No artificial SMTP routes.
timeoutconnect: (Default.) SMTP client connection timeout is 60 seconds.
timeoutremote: (Default.) SMTP client data timeout is 1200 seconds.
timeoutsmtpd: (Default.) SMTP server data timeout is 1200 seconds.
virtualdomains:
Virtual domain: nash-hasty.com:alias-aliases
... etc ...
---

So that looks good...
Here is the web link to a open relay check:
http://www.prodigysolutions.com/relay_test.html
  it returns open relay based on the messages being accepted I guess.
Here is the output from another:
 RSET
 250 flushed
 MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 250 ok
 RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 250 ok
 DATA
 354 go ahead
 (message body)
 250 ok 984601860 qp 25826
  This one isn't as clear, because it's sending to a local address which
is ok. The first test outputs in html so it's pretty ugly to cut and
paste.
  Really I'm just looking to ease my mind and confirm with 100% certainty
that I'm not an open relay in any way.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
The :allow at the end makes the server an open relay! Not acceptable.
   
   No it doesn't. The allow means "allow the connection". RELAYCLIENT=""
   means "allow relaying to the world".
  
  Ok, then how can I test wether I have an open relay or not? All of the
  tests from the web show us as an open relay because the connection and
  message are accepted.
 
 If all of the following are true:
 -you do not enable the percenthack
 -you have a file /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts
 -your .cdb file for the tcpserver instance running qmail-smtpd does
 not have :allow,RELAYCLIENT="" in it, or some number of IP-specific
 lines which amount to the same thing
 
 you are not an open relay.  qmail will accept mail from any host which is
 address to _any_ local-part in any of the domains in rcpthosts.  If that
 domain is in locals or virtuals, qmail will deliver it appropriately on the
 local box, and otherwise, will forward it to the domain in question (by
 looking up MX records or using smtproutes).
 
 Show us these "tests from the web" with all their output, and the output
 of `qmail-showctl`.
 
 Charles
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Re: Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-14 Thread mick

Dude, we host a few hundred domains. I was hoping to save some bits. What
are you looking for? If needed, and if you really want I can send it all,
I just thought it would be easier on the eyes.


On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here is a snipette from showctl:
 
 I asked for "the output of qmail-showctl", not a "snipette" of it.
 The problem is...
 
  locals:
  Messages for localhost are delivered locally.
  Messages for leviathan-tu2.mtco.com are delivered locally.
  ... etc ...
 [...]
  rcpthosts:
  SMTP clients may send messages to recipients at lesreelbenefit.org.
  ... etc ...
 [...]
 
 The two sections you deleted were the precise ones we need to tell you if
 you are an open relay.
 
  virtualdomains:
  Virtual domain: nash-hasty.com:alias-aliases
  ... etc ...
 
 And this may have been useful too.
 
  Here is the web link to a open relay check:
  http://www.prodigysolutions.com/relay_test.html
it returns open relay based on the messages being accepted I guess.
  Here is the output from another:
   RSET
   250 flushed
   MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   250 ok
   RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   250 ok
   DATA
   354 go ahead
   (message body)
   250 ok 984601860 qp 25826
This one isn't as clear, because it's sending to a local address which
  is ok. The first test outputs in html so it's pretty ugly to cut and
  paste.
 
 Until you post the real output of qmail-showctl, we can't tell you for sure,
 but seeing as "mtco.com" does seem to be one of your domains, and this is mail
 addressed to a user in that domain, why on earth would you think that this
 "test" indicates you are an open relay?
 
 Charles
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Re: Deny Relay, Accept local

2001-03-14 Thread mick
: baurer.com:baurer
Virtual domain: dineamericausa.com:mitymark
Virtual domain: scholastic-bowl.com:ned
Virtual domain: allinonemall.com:sms
Virtual domain: here2help.com:sms
Virtual domain: s-smarketing.com:ssiepel
Virtual domain: cocc.org:cocc
Virtual domain: 4helle.com:helle
Virtual domain: midstatesiding.com:midstate
Virtual domain: pyxl.com:dhaf
Virtual domain: jonnymax.com:jmckee
Virtual domain: gordoninstruments.com:gilco
Virtual domain: mhequipment.com:mhequip
Virtual domain: jayriddleracing.com:jriddle
Virtual domain: cahillfirearms.com:brcahill
Virtual domain: comfort-specialists.com:comfort
Virtual domain: wolfhollow.org:wolf
Virtual domain: aljomos.com:aljomos
Virtual domain: gcsfurniture.com:paulette
Virtual domain: mortonumc.org:mumc
Virtual domain: valuerite-pharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: valueritepharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: healthmartpharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: health-martpharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: healthmart-pharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: valurite-pharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: valu-ritepharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: usapharmacies.com:weekley
Virtual domain: e-pharmacy.com:weekley
Virtual domain: andy.to:andy
Virtual domain: flyingddancewear.com:flyingd
Virtual domain: p-t-v.com:peotoyvo
Virtual domain: mechanical-bakery.com:jlarkin
Virtual domain: sherriel.com:chitwood
Virtual domain: ckcues.com:cueman
Virtual domain: danielmfg.com:danmfg
Virtual domain: lowufo.net:lowufo
Virtual domain: runningg.com:dgarber
Virtual domain: ircaweb.com:ilrca
Virtual domain: pooldoctoronline.com:pooldr
Virtual domain: etcboutique.com:lizarde
Virtual domain: gordoninstruments.org:gilco2
Virtual domain: gordoninstruments.net:gilco1
Virtual domain: gracepres.org:gpcadmin
Virtual domain: shetlandminiature.com:amershtn
Virtual domain: crayonbynumber.com:wentwrth
Virtual domain: 309mygrass.com:grnkeprs
Virtual domain: christian-center.net:server
Virtual domain: newlifeonline.org:dsl05755
Virtual domain: richcraftdesign.com:rdesign
Virtual domain: timberridgewoodproducts.com:gas1
Virtual domain: lesreelbenefit.org:sgarman
Virtual domain: mortonillinois.org:vom


Phew, that was a mouth full. :)
Hope that helps. Thank you again Charles.

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Re: NAKEDWIFE.EXE Virus - Filter available

2001-03-08 Thread mick

 Okay, I've now verified that /home/virtualdomain1/.qmail-user1 is the correct
 file.
 
 
  You copied the script into /usr/bin/ !
  Change the call and it will work !
 
 Um, not that easy. /var/qmail/bin is a symlink to /usr/bin. So much for that
 theory?

When I opened the scripts they had the windows ^m character at the end of
each line. I was getting the same error until I removed them.

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Re: NAKEDWIFE.EXE Virus - Filter available

2001-03-08 Thread mick

VI on true64 unix. I saved the files from Netscape, that may have done it.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Peter Peltonen wrote:

 mick wrote:
 
  When I opened the scripts they had the windows ^m character at the end of
  each line. I was getting the same error until I removed them.
 
 When I open the file in pico or vim, I don't see those characters.
 
 With what program do I find and remove the characters?
 
 
 Regards,
 Peter
 
 

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Clustering

2001-03-08 Thread mick

May be running True64 cluster system some time in the future. Has anyone
used Qmail in a clustering/shared environment?

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RE: NAKEDWIFE.EXE Virus - Filter available

2001-03-08 Thread mick

It's a pretty common problem when working in a mixed environment. Seems
most everyone had an available tool. If not its a good one to add to the
toolbox.


On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Erwin Hoffmann wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 
 sorry for the inconvenience with the scripts.
 
 I have already encountered the same problems (^M).
 
 Therefore, on my man qmail web page, I included a section "Download
 problems" which gives some hints.
 
 This is an old http browser/server problem. 
 
 One may use Dan's http@ client:
 
 ./http@ www.fehcom.de qmail/checkfile   /usr/local/bin/checkfile
 
 and delete the last line (^Z).
 
 cheers.
 eh.
 
 At 10:25 8.3.2001 -0500, Ed Henderson wrote:
 Solaris has a handy utility called "dos2unix" that strips ^M characters
 out of text files.  Perhaps your OS has a similar utility?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Peter Peltonen
 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:50 AM
 Cc: qmail list
 Subject: Re: NAKEDWIFE.EXE Virus - Filter available
 
 
 mick wrote:
 
  When I opened the scripts they had the windows ^m character at the end of
  each line. I was getting the same error until I removed them.
 
 When I open the file in pico or vim, I don't see those characters.
 
 With what program do I find and remove the characters?
 
 
 Regards,
 Peter
 
 
 +---+
 |  fffhh http://www.fehcom.deDr. Erwin Hoffmann |
 | ff  hh|
 | ffeee     ccc   ooomm mm  mm   Wiener Weg 8   |
 | fff  ee ee  hh  hh   cc   oo   oo  mmm  mm  mm 50858 Koeln|
 | ff  ee eee  hh  hh  cc   oo oo mm   mm  mm|
 | ff  eee hh  hh   cc   oo   oo  mm   mm  mm Tel 0221 484 4923  |
 | ff      hh  hhccc   ooomm   mm  mm Fax 0221 484 4924  |
 +---+
 
 

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Re: pop3 dying

2001-02-18 Thread mick

Yep still working great. And found this right out of the tcpserver man
page:

  -climit
   Do not handle more than limit simultaneous connections.  If there
are limit simultaneous copies of program running, defer acceptance of a 
new connection until one copy finishes.  limit must be a positive 
integer.  Default: 40.

Thanks again.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, mick wrote:

 Ok, tried changing this:
 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
   my.domain.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 
 
 to this:
 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -c 200 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
   my.domain.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 
 
 See what that does.
 
 
 On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:
 
  mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   concurency limit is set to 120, does that mean its limited to 120 pop3
   sesions?
  
  Yes, if that's the number you are supplying as the -c option to the
  tcpserver instance launching qmail-pop3d.  Double or quadruple it and see
  if your problems stop.  You could also enable the logging from tcpserver for
  that.
  
  Charles
  -- 
  ---
  Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
  Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
  ---
  
  
 
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pop3 dying

2001-02-17 Thread mick

I've got a qmail system in which pop3 dies after about 30 minutes of use.
The system load average in low, can't see any obvious run away process,
the rest of the system works fine (sshd, smtp, http, ftp). killing all
qmail process's and restarting gets it to work for about another 30
minutes
Any suggestions as to where to start looking?

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Re: pop3 dying

2001-02-17 Thread mick

Can't see anything obvious 
This is a busy server so the logs a flying pretty fast, connetions just
time out and I can't see any obvious failure messages in the logs.
Any suggestions for what I should grep for?


On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:28:38PM +, mick wrote:
  I've got a qmail system in which pop3 dies after about 30 minutes of use.
  The system load average in low, can't see any obvious run away process,
  the rest of the system works fine (sshd, smtp, http, ftp). killing all
  qmail process's and restarting gets it to work for about another 30
  minutes
  Any suggestions as to where to start looking?
 
 What do the logs say?
 
 Greetz, Peter.
 
 

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Re: pop3 dying

2001-02-17 Thread mick

grep for pop3 on mail.log and daemon.log for pop3 (digital unix) returns
nothing.
this is how it is called:

/usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
  my.domain.com /
bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:41:45PM +, mick wrote:
  Can't see anything obvious 
  This is a busy server so the logs a flying pretty fast, connetions just
  time out and I can't see any obvious failure messages in the logs.
  Any suggestions for what I should grep for?
 
 Well, I suppose there's no log of any pop3 activity after it dies.
 What are the last few lines logged about pop3?
 
 Greetz, Peter.
 
 

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Re: pop3 dying

2001-02-17 Thread mick

Should I add: 
  | /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3 3 

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 04:02:58PM +, mick wrote:
  grep for pop3 on mail.log and daemon.log for pop3 (digital unix) returns
  nothing.
  this is how it is called:
  
  /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
my.domain.com /
  bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 
 
 This startup doesn't specify any logging.
 
 Greetz, Peter.
 
 

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Re: pop3 dying

2001-02-17 Thread mick

Ok, tried changing this:
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
  my.domain.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 

to this:
/usr/local/bin/tcpserver -c 200 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
  my.domain.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 

See what that does.


On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:

 mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  concurency limit is set to 120, does that mean its limited to 120 pop3
  sesions?
 
 Yes, if that's the number you are supplying as the -c option to the
 tcpserver instance launching qmail-pop3d.  Double or quadruple it and see
 if your problems stop.  You could also enable the logging from tcpserver for
 that.
 
 Charles
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 Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
 ---
 
 

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Re: pop3 dying

2001-02-17 Thread mick

Seems to have worked so far! I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Thank you greatly for your help.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, mick wrote:

 Ok, tried changing this:
 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
   my.domain.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 
 
 to this:
 /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -c 200 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup
   my.domain.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 
 
 See what that does.
 
 
 On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Charles Cazabon wrote:
 
  mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   concurency limit is set to 120, does that mean its limited to 120 pop3
   sesions?
  
  Yes, if that's the number you are supplying as the -c option to the
  tcpserver instance launching qmail-pop3d.  Double or quadruple it and see
  if your problems stop.  You could also enable the logging from tcpserver for
  that.
  
  Charles
  -- 
  ---
  Charles Cazabon[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
  Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
  ---
  
  
 
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minifaq

2000-07-21 Thread Mick