Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 06:50:33PM +0200, Lukas Beeler wrote: [a lot of broken quoting] Please, learn how to correctly reply to messages. Your style makes it very hard to distinguish between your own words and these of the one you replied to. You also quoted a signature, which is bad style, too. btw, you might also want to use a mail-followup-to header. btw2, there is rarely a reason to CC Russ Nelson if you are sending mails to the qmail mailing list. I can imagine only one: The wish to annoy him. i use a windows MUA because i have to, because i don't have the money, to buy a third computer [beside my devel server]. why do you use windows at all? Yes, i know that there are three reasons to use windows. Encarta, M$ SQL-Server and wanting to support Gates and Balmer ... Or would you tell your mother, that she now should use mutt as her email client ? Of course. She either uses software i recommend or she has to buy support from somewhere. Apart from that, there's software besides mutt. I've heard about 20 to 100 email clients for unix over the years. Most are free and usuable. Regards, Uwe
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner writes: On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:54:53PM -0400, Steve Reed wrote: I think it would be very considerate of the list members if whoever runs this mailing list would PLEASE wake up and ban the living daylights out of Wilson and his barrage of viruses. What for? Wilson isn't the problem. The problem is that we're not in 92 anymore. What I'd like to see is a sublist that drops anything that isn't ASCII only and also everything that is sent with Windos MUAs. For the fun of it, I just killed everything that said Outlook (Express), Eudora, Pegasus and Webmail for the last month. Trust me, the list suddenly became good. So Robin, despite the fact that I just finished building a qmail cluster using 3 Sun 220R's load balanced behind a pair of F5 Networks Big/IP's, qmail 1.03, vpopmail, courier-imap, sqwebmail, mysql and apache handling 1,000,000 users across 5,400 domains, I should be banned from your sublist because I choose to use Outlook Express??? Yup. Is as does. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
Smithj writes: Use GIMP :) Yup. Anybody who uses an email client that they didn't write themselves (in assembly language) is just a poseur. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX |
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
At 12:39 31.07.2001 -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: Smithj writes: Use GIMP :) Yup. Anybody who uses an email client that they didn't write themselves (in assembly language) is just a poseur. of course.. wait a moment please, i have to catch some violet flying pigs :) i use a windows MUA because i have to, because i don't have the money, to buy a third computer [beside my devel server]. Or would you tell your mother, that she now should use mutt as her email client ? i don't thin so.. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | #exclude windows.h Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | -- --/-/-- Lukas Beeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---\-\-- \ \ My HomePage: URL:http://www.projectdream.org / /
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
Wilson most definitely is the problem How can it be still sending virii for over 24 hours? Wilson is a goon On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Robin S. Socha wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:54:53PM -0400, Steve Reed wrote: I think it would be very considerate of the list members if whoever runs this mailing list would PLEASE wake up and ban the living daylights out of Wilson and his barrage of viruses. What for? Wilson isn't the problem. The problem is that we're not in 92 anymore. What I'd like to see is a sublist that drops anything that isn't ASCII only and also everything that is sent with Windos MUAs. For the fun of it, I just killed everything that said Outlook (Express), Eudora, Pegasus and Webmail for the last month. Trust me, the list suddenly became good. Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED], could we have a sublist? I'm sure a lot of people would host it. I would. Prettyplease?
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 05:58:02PM +1000, Jon Booth wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Robin S. Socha wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:54:53PM -0400, Steve Reed wrote: I think it would be very considerate of the list members if whoever runs this mailing list would PLEASE wake up and ban the living daylights out of Wilson and his barrage of viruses. What for? Wilson isn't the problem. The problem is that we're not in 92 anymore. What I'd like to see is a sublist that drops anything that isn't ASCII only and also everything that is sent with Windos MUAs. Wilson most definitely is the problem Wilson isn't the problem. Windows is. Outlook is. How can it be still sending virii for over 24 hours? Because the list owner seems not to take responsibility for losers. While that in itself is an honourable approach, it causes grief and anguish for the people not using Windows on this list. Wilson is a goon Wilson is a Windows user. That is the problem. Unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt how one could re-create the software using $UNIX. And can we now please let this thread die?
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 05:17:02AM -0500, Robin S. Socha wrote: Wilson isn't the problem. Windows is. Outlook is. I wish to add * virii scanners they produced three times to number of emails than wilson did. * lusers talking about nuisances, rather than ignoring and killfiling them. Kind regards, Uwe
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Robin, despite your flamy attitude and huge levels of intolerance, for the first time in recorded history, I think you have a valid point and I think I actually agree with you. Wilson's no more at fault than a poor hotmail user that gets nailed with a cross site scripting virus: what's the user to do? At the same time, the user should be faulted for using crappy software when better alternatives are out there (though not quite as feature complete, but let's not start that here). -sc What for? Wilson isn't the problem. The problem is that we're not in 92 anymore. What I'd like to see is a sublist that drops anything that isn't ASCII only and also everything that is sent with Windos MUAs. Wilson most definitely is the problem Wilson isn't the problem. Windows is. Outlook is. How can it be still sending virii for over 24 hours? Because the list owner seems not to take responsibility for losers. While that in itself is an honourable approach, it causes grief and anguish for the people not using Windows on this list. Wilson is a goon Wilson is a Windows user. That is the problem. Unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt how one could re-create the software using $UNIX. And can we now please let this thread die? -- Sean Chittenden
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:54:53PM -0400, Steve Reed wrote: I think it would be very considerate of the list members if whoever runs this mailing list would PLEASE wake up and ban the living daylights out of Wilson and his barrage of viruses. What for? Wilson isn't the problem. The problem is that we're not in 92 anymore. What I'd like to see is a sublist that drops anything that isn't ASCII only and also everything that is sent with Windos MUAs. For the fun of it, I just killed everything that said Outlook (Express), Eudora, Pegasus and Webmail for the last month. Trust me, the list suddenly became good. So Robin, despite the fact that I just finished building a qmail cluster using 3 Sun 220R's load balanced behind a pair of F5 Networks Big/IP's, qmail 1.03, vpopmail, courier-imap, sqwebmail, mysql and apache handling 1,000,000 users across 5,400 domains, I should be banned from your sublist because I choose to use Outlook Express??? Yes, lots of clueless people use Windows and Windows MUA's. But some of use also use Windows and Windows MUA's, and *DO* have a clue. Be carefull about making sweeping statements. And before you blast me for using Windows instead of, say Linux, there are a number of applications that I need to use on a daily basis to run my business effectively and effeciently, that still don't have the features I need on Linux. And yes, I've tried Star Office - and I'm still having problems installing it on a Mandrake 7.2 box. I just upgraded to Mandrake 8, but I haven't tried it there yet. Trust me - the day I can get all the features I feel I need without using any MS apps, I'm there. But I'm not going to dump MS just to spite MS without having what *I* consider suitable replacements - not you, or the rest of the rabid Anti-MS bridgade. Dave Weiner CTO, WebMasters, Inc. 800-472-9203 http://www.webmast.com
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: I should be banned from your sublist because I choose to use Outlook Express??? from a sublist, perhaps. that would be to follow moderated news group principles, sort of...rules should be setup for attachments (type/size) and content formatting (html/etc). Anti-MS bridgade may the force be with us...and you. btw., i'm a vb/win32 programmer convert...its worth leaving, undeniably. /* Regards, Jason Kawaja, UF-ECE Sys Admin */
RE: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
-Original Message- From: John Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers) i couldn't agree more... i got over 300 copies of that damned virus, yet remain unaffected... why? because 'i'm smarter than the average bear, boo boo!' I'm unaffected as well, but NOT because I am smarter than anybody, I just manage to pay attention and NEVER download attachments! I also find it entertaining to watch all the traffic the spammers inspire. 25+ copies of the virus on this list alone, nearly 80 virus reports from 2 broken reporting entities (yes, I kept track just for fun), and maybe 150 email griping about same! Not to mention the myriad email requests for information on the best antivirus software to use. i use windows because (and only because) i cannot do the interface design for end-users of windows without walking in their shoes (and i love photoshop!) I'm in the same boat with all the bookkeeping and office stuff that I have to deal with constantly on the W machine and the server stuck in the dungeon in the back office. I telnet to it often, but find it just easier to use the MS product close at hand. And, ditto about photoshop. It is a winner!
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:31:15AM -0400, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: Yes, lots of clueless people use Windows and Windows MUA's. But some of use also use Windows and Windows MUA's, and *DO* have a clue. No, anyone still using Microsoft products after they have seen the light of *nix just hasn't gotten it yet. I was like you for about a year, defending my outlook-express, because I liked it. Then I started using mutt and found out what a *real* MUA can do. In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Don't get me wrong, there are valid uses for 'doze, but reading your mail isn't one of them. --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
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ROFL!!! I couldn't agree more.. I think it hilarious myself that people want to blame the MUA when generally it the people and not the particular software or OS they are using and everyone might think I'm an *ss for saying this but ... If your stupid enough to even download the attachments let alone opening them without taking _some_kinda_ precautions then they almost deserve to by infested by any such virus just so they can learn the hard way Anyways that's my two cents on this whole thing ... Now I'm gona sit back and watch the mirad of replies this message will generate. --JT - Original Message - From: Virginia Chism [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: RE: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers) -Original Message- From: John Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers) i couldn't agree more... i got over 300 copies of that damned virus, yet remain unaffected... why? because 'i'm smarter than the average bear, boo boo!' I'm unaffected as well, but NOT because I am smarter than anybody, I just manage to pay attention and NEVER download attachments! I also find it entertaining to watch all the traffic the spammers inspire. 25+ copies of the virus on this list alone, nearly 80 virus reports from 2 broken reporting entities (yes, I kept track just for fun), and maybe 150 email griping about same! Not to mention the myriad email requests for information on the best antivirus software to use. i use windows because (and only because) i cannot do the interface design for end-users of windows without walking in their shoes (and i love photoshop!) I'm in the same boat with all the bookkeeping and office stuff that I have to deal with constantly on the W machine and the server stuck in the dungeon in the back office. I telnet to it often, but find it just easier to use the MS product close at hand. And, ditto about photoshop. It is a winner!
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Use GIMP :) (unix or windows based).. I'm in the same boat with all the bookkeeping and office stuff that I have to deal with constantly on the W machine and the server stuck in the dungeon in the back office. I telnet to it often, but find it just easier to use the MS product close at hand. And, ditto about photoshop. It is a winner! Jonathan Smith
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From: Virginia Chism [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:32:05 -0500 I also find it entertaining to watch all the traffic the spammers inspire. 25+ copies of the virus on this list alone, nearly 80 virus reports from 2 broken reporting entities (yes, I kept track just for fun), and maybe 150 email griping about same! Not to mention the myriad email requests for information on the best antivirus software to use. I'm glad someone tracked this. I'd been kinda curious about the statistics on the stuff that I was massively deleting. Do you also track the number of messages Robin sends telling other people how clueless they are and now many messages those people post back defending themselves? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:31:15AM -0400, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: Yes, lots of clueless people use Windows and Windows MUA's. But some of use also use Windows and Windows MUA's, and *DO* have a clue. No, anyone still using Microsoft products after they have seen the light of *nix just hasn't gotten it yet. I was like you for about a year, defending my outlook-express, because I liked it. Then I started using mutt and found out what a *real* MUA can do. I've used Mutt, Elm, Pico, Pine, KMail and a bunch more. And I still like Outlook Express. In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And so am I, and you're being an asshole :) Don't get me wrong, there are valid uses for 'doze, but reading your mail isn't one of them. --Adam Dave
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snip In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Don't get me wrong, there are valid uses for 'doze, but reading your mail isn't one of them. /snip I have to interject here. This is a mailing list FOR qmail users ABOUT qmail. I don't see the relevance of a persons choice of OS, editor, MTA, or anything else on this list. (Well, possibly MTA if you were having a problem with qmails' pop3 daemon) Frankly, WHO CARES if you run linux,unix,windows,OS/2,MS-DOS, or anything else? Who cares if you use wordpad,word,pico,vi(m),joe,ee, or DOS edit? Who cares if you use pine,mutt,telnet,eudora,outlooke,messenger,mulberry, or any other MUA? What you use on your machine in no way affects anyone else on this list as long as you are intelligent enough to have decent virus scanning utilites (if your OS is a target for infection) and keep your signatures up to date. I won't tell you what OS I use. I won't tell you the editor, the MUA, because it in no way affects you unless it's pertinent to a PROBLEM I'm asking about. Nor will I tell you my race,creed,color,religion,sex,or anything else that doesn't matter. Look at it like this. Everyone has a choice to use what THEY like. That is why there are so many (insert program/daemon/utility here) As long as it does the job well enough for the person using it, who the hell is anyone else to judge? If we were not supposed to have a choice.. EVERYONE would be using sendmail. It was and still is the De Facto Standard smtp daemon. If everyone used the same software, and had no choice, qmail, postfix, exim, Exchange, and all the other MTA's wouldn't exist. We would all still be using [MS/PC]-DOS on our 8086 processors because nobody would have the CHOICE to upgrade.. Hell companies wouldn't have the CHOICE to research and develop better processors. The point here is this: If a member of this list uses XYZ software.. thats fine.. you ALL have 'qmail' in common. Lets keep the discussions of this list ON-TOPIC (qmail, right?) and then we can all get along without this childish My software is better than your software mentality. We've all been through first grade. We ALL know my software is better than your software FOR ME. And realistically that is what matters. Thanks for listening to me rant. Jeff Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Don't take the time to flame me, cuz My daddy can beat up your daddy.
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JT wrote: ... If your stupid enough to even download the attachments let alone opening them without taking _some_kinda_ precautions then they almost deserve to by infested by any such virus just so they can learn the hard way Except that the networks whose resources users will clog with this tough-love approach are not usually their own. I can agree with you in the case of garden variety system viruses, but internet worms affect the innocent, educated, and overworked. - -d - -- David Talkington http://www.spotnet.org PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQEVAwUBO2HYMb1ZYOtSwT+tAQGayAf6AuXVZdp1JpfyPGXMC5uFYXjGOeXtcdZo nOZf2o3Z8/s3Epexu8bFcSSzB1tcKUUwjRZdkaXI4Tt7MTTAkxVIUasTAVZC5Su9 bk6cv35UpYsd72tife6By3gnTJouaf8wxA2JVkIG3yH54e0Y8AFoMMS8h19I0Fst zYm6m9EtPzk0TNp4RbN92jBH1ZVPEcqGu7Dgk4XlAaZtHJJxleIWQveW/X6RYF+W WyzXyJ4OL/k/k+TbTPu0EKiwYNSu8gsq1EQNE83nagcHc2ni9HYnlZ4KlSUI92TN XgHbWbJ+yWENcwGKkBjwJD6VMRibdU7eLEO6ZcwrrTvTcLhEXzeE8w== =w/oK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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I think it's over a hundred already for this week isn't it? --JT - Original Message - From: Chris Garrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Virginia Chism [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:18:27PM -0400, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And so am I, and you're being an asshole :) Was I right about pico? --Adam -- Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Help stop animal abuse at Petco! http://flounder.net/publickey.html | http://www.mickaboofriends.org GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A |
Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
It is sad that some punk claiming he is 1337 because of the OS, app or my gawd, MUA that he uses. I take magnets, move them around my hard drive and manipulate data that way. Sometimes when I have a monitor, I type everything in binary. :) I use OE simply because I manage many many anonymous and not so anonymous Hotmail accounts (like the one I am typing from). Free e-mail is so great none of my personal and spam e-mail does not go to my work or domain e-mail. Having OE to organize and access all 7 Hotmail accounts in one setting without cluttering my work and personal e-mail accounts is a little slice of heaven. Don't quite seeing pico, mutt, kmail, evolution doing that anytime soon (doesn't have to be Hotmail but something anonymous). ChozSun - Original Message - From: Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 15.18 Subject: Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers) On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 10:31:15AM -0400, Dave 'Duke of URL' Weiner wrote: Yes, lots of clueless people use Windows and Windows MUA's. But some of use also use Windows and Windows MUA's, and *DO* have a clue. No, anyone still using Microsoft products after they have seen the light of *nix just hasn't gotten it yet. I was like you for about a year, defending my outlook-express, because I liked it. Then I started using mutt and found out what a *real* MUA can do. I've used Mutt, Elm, Pico, Pine, KMail and a bunch more. And I still like Outlook Express. In short, anyone who claims they are a UNIX person and still uses MS software for their MUA is just a poseur, that's all. I bet you use pico too. Well, you're entitled to your opinion. And so am I, and you're being an asshole :) Don't get me wrong, there are valid uses for 'doze, but reading your mail isn't one of them. --Adam Dave
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Bow, point taken --JT - Original Message - From: David Talkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JT wrote: ... If your stupid enough to even download the attachments let alone opening them without taking _some_kinda_ precautions then they almost deserve to by infested by any such virus just so they can learn the hard way Except that the networks whose resources users will clog with this tough-love approach are not usually their own. I can agree with you in the case of garden variety system viruses, but internet worms affect the innocent, educated, and overworked. - -d - -- David Talkington http://www.spotnet.org PGP key: http://www.prairienet.org/~dtalk/dt000823.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iQEVAwUBO2HYMb1ZYOtSwT+tAQGayAf6AuXVZdp1JpfyPGXMC5uFYXjGOeXtcdZo nOZf2o3Z8/s3Epexu8bFcSSzB1tcKUUwjRZdkaXI4Tt7MTTAkxVIUasTAVZC5Su9 bk6cv35UpYsd72tife6By3gnTJouaf8wxA2JVkIG3yH54e0Y8AFoMMS8h19I0Fst zYm6m9EtPzk0TNp4RbN92jBH1ZVPEcqGu7Dgk4XlAaZtHJJxleIWQveW/X6RYF+W WyzXyJ4OL/k/k+TbTPu0EKiwYNSu8gsq1EQNE83nagcHc2ni9HYnlZ4KlSUI92TN XgHbWbJ+yWENcwGKkBjwJD6VMRibdU7eLEO6ZcwrrTvTcLhEXzeE8w== =w/oK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Sorry but GIMP does not even compare to Photoshop 6 just my .002 and yes i use both on a daily basis for both digital and print solutions. Jps Smithj writes: Use GIMP :) (unix or windows based).. I'm in the same boat with all the bookkeeping and office stuff that I have to deal with constantly on the W machine and the server stuck in the dungeon in the back office. I telnet to it often, but find it just easier to use the MS product close at hand. And, ditto about photoshop. It is a winner! Jonathan Smith
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 12:54:51AM +, qmail wrote: Sorry but GIMP does not even compare to Photoshop 6 A Swiss Army knife does not even compare to a fully-loaded toolbox, but if your needs can be met by a Swiss Army knife, carrying and maintaining a fully-loaded toolbox is not the brightest of ideas. And what does all this have to do with qmail? IMO, qmail's like a Swiss Army knife -- it won't handle every task under the sun by itself, but it's compact, tool-oriented, and surprisingly capable once you understand its features. -- Adrian HoTinker, Drifter, Fixer, Bum [EMAIL PROTECTED] ListArchive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=qmail Useful URLs: http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html http://www.qmail.org http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ http://qmail.faqts.com/
