Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
I know this one is getting old, but did you fix it so my tmda stuff will not get removed from the .qmail files? - Original Message - From: Tom Collins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 Well, it's about time to make a stable release. There are still important thing that need to be added, but it's more important to get a stable release out to match the forthcoming stable release of vpopmail 5.4.http://qmailadmin.sf.net/1.2.0-pre1 - released 9-Dec-03This is the first pre-release of what will be the firststable release of QmailAdmin since 1.0.6. Pleasetest extensively and report bugs to SourceForge.We are aware that configure runs twice duringthe build process. This will be fixed in the finalrelease.Tom Collins- More updates related to build process. [826594]- Fix HTML formatting on display subscribers page.- Convert HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE entries to lowercase, rename pt-BRto pt-br. [852963]- Major cleanup of hooks code (fix call to execl, allow blanklines, don't require entries for all hooks, pass proper parameters to hook program, update documentation). [855707]- Use VPOPMAIL_UMASK instead of hardcoded 0077.- Better lstat() error messages in template.c.--Tom Collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED]QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 12:00 AM, John Johnson wrote: I know this one is getting old, but did you fix it so my tmda stuff will not get removed from the .qmail files? I'm sorry, but that didn't make the cut for this release. It's been 16 months since the last stable release (1.0.6), and the fix to preserve TMDA entries in .qmail files will require a significant rewrite of the code that reads and writes .qmail files. While we're at it, the call to autorespond for vacations will go at the END of the .qmail file to avoid as many problems as possible. We might also support qmail-autorespond as a better replacement. I do plan to put your fix at the top of development for 1.3, and backport it to 1.2 once it's proven itself. If anyone wants to sponsor the fix, I can make it an even higher priority. :-) -- Tom Collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED] QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
This is not good.. This makes it so you have to select to use the new qmailadmin and not use tmda or use tmda and not the new qmailadmin. This has broken qmailadmin for me and to call it a stable release when something is broken is just not fare. I am not attacking anyone just voicing my frustration. -John - Original Message - From: Tom Collins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 12:00 AM, John Johnson wrote: I know this one is getting old, but did you fix it so my tmda stuff will not get removed from the .qmail files?I'm sorry, but that didn't make the cut for this release. It's been 16 months since the last stable release (1.0.6), and the fix to preserve TMDA entries in .qmail files will require a significant rewrite of the code that reads and writes .qmail files. While we're at it, the call to autorespond for vacations will go at the END of the .qmail file to avoid as many problems as possible. We might also support qmail-autorespond as a better replacement.I do plan to put your fix at the top of development for 1.3, and backport it to 1.2 once it's proven itself.If anyone wants to sponsor the fix, I can make it an even higher priority. :-)--Tom Collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED]QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
RE: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
I share the opinion from John. It would be nice if you're going to implement the tmda-bug or however you're going to call this. This is just a wish, as John also said, I'm not attacking anyone and I'll use qmailadmin. You've done a great work with this product. thx thierry -Original Message- From: John Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2003 08:11 To: Tom Collins; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 This is not good.. This makes it so you have to select to use the new qmailadmin and not use tmda or use tmda and not the new qmailadmin. This has broken qmailadmin for me and to call it a stable release when something is broken is just not fare. I am not attacking anyone just voicing my frustration. -John - Original Message - From: Tom Collins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 12:00 AM, John Johnson wrote: I know this one is getting old, but did you fix it so my tmda stuff will not get removed from the .qmail files? I'm sorry, but that didn't make the cut for this release. It's been 16 months since the last stable release (1.0.6), and the fix to preserve TMDA entries in .qmail files will require a significant rewrite of the code that reads and writes .qmail files. While we're at it, the call to autorespond for vacations will go at the END of the .qmail file to avoid as many problems as possible. We might also support qmail-autorespond as a better replacement. I do plan to put your fix at the top of development for 1.3, and backport it to 1.2 once it's proven itself. If anyone wants to sponsor the fix, I can make it an even higher priority. :-) -- Tom Collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED] QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 01:10, John Johnson wrote: This is not good.. This makes it so you have to select to use the new qmailadmin and not use tmda or use tmda and not the new qmailadmin. This has broken qmailadmin for me and to call it a stable release when something is broken is just not fare. I am not attacking anyone just voicing my frustration. -John Well, it's not broken. As far as I know, qmailadmin doesn't support TMDA functionality. If you manually edit the .qmail files to make it work with TMDA, then you've gone above and beyond qmailadmin's authority. Just like say, you edit an apache configuration you made with a gui or web-based interface and it breaks, you can't really blame the makers of the software, because you're doing something they didn't intend. Also, I don't see you paying Tom or anyone else to fix the problem you have with qmailadmin, so I don't think it's fair that you can really whine about the fact that your needs weren't catered to personally. (I could be mistaken, you may have paid Tom, but I'm guessing not). Anyways, it's free software, if you want it fixed, I'm sure he'd be happy to look at a patch that you provide :) -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kitchen @ #qmail on EFNet - Join the party! . Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. www.inter7.com 866.528.3530 toll free 847.492.0470 int'l 847.492.0632 fax GNUPG key ID: 93BDD6CE
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 01:06, Tom Collins wrote: While we'reat it, the call to autorespond for vacations will go at the END of the.qmail file to avoid as many problems as possible. the patch that I provided fixes autorespond so it isn't broken, and shouldn't cause any stupid bounces. I made it act more like Bruce's qmail-autoresponder. You can find the patch on the sourceforge page. However, I also mentioned there that my patch breaks the mail robot functionality in a way. I will bring that up here: autoresponders in use as vacation replies are generally supposed to allow everything through and reply to only a few things. That makes sense, because you don't want to lose any mail, just make it so Jenny in accounting knows you're at lunch when she emails you that big finance report. Surely you don't want that being lost in the mail :) Auto-respond robots that exist to simply reply to incoming mail should act differently. They SHOULD bounce mailing list messages, because they should try to get removed from them. They should bounce Precendence: bulk messages (who ever sends those anymore, eh? :) because that shouldn't be being sent to an autoresponder anyways. They SHOULD bounce the message when someone emails too fast, so they know it's working. My patch was for the vacation replies, as with the current (stable, if you must) autoresponder, they were entirely broken. We might alsosupport qmail-autorespond as a better replacement. that sounds good, but that is also 'broken' for the 'mail robot' functionality. Also, backwards compatibility isn't there, and having to install two different autoresponder packages to install qmailadmin would be kind of daunting for a new user. Also, and as much as I love bruce and his software, his autoresponder package is slightly more of a pain to install. You must install his bglibs, and if you don't want mysql support, or don't have mysql installed or anything, you have to edit the Makefile so it'll actually build! Just dropping my two cents :) If anyone wants to sponsor the fix, I can make it an even higherpriority. :-) as always ;) -Jeremy -- Jeremy Kitchen Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kitchen @ #qmail on EFNet - Join the party! . Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. www.inter7.com 866.528.3530 toll free 847.492.0470 int'l 847.492.0632 fax GNUPG key ID: 93BDD6CE
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
At 08:10 AM 12/10/2003, Jeremy Kitchen wrote: On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 01:10, John Johnson wrote: This is not good.. This makes it so you have to select to use the new qmailadmin and not use tmda or use tmda and not the new qmailadmin. This has broken qmailadmin for me and to call it a stable release when something is broken is just not fare. I am not attacking anyone just voicing my frustration. Also, I don't see you paying Tom or anyone else to fix the problem you have with qmailadmin, so I don't think it's fair that you can really whine about the fact that your needs weren't catered to personally. (I could be mistaken, you may have paid Tom, but I'm guessing not). um, you might want to lighten up. he has a reasonable gripe, and he stipulated at the end that he was just voicing frustration. that's perfectly legitimate. part of what spurs a development community is voices from the community that uses the software. if nobody cares, then what's the point? i don't use tmda, but with the absurd, horrendous volume of spam that we're all confronted with, i think it's a matter of time before my customers demand it. i'd like to see the option there, though i don't have the urgency of someone who is currently using it. Anyways, it's free software, if you want it fixed, I'm sure he'd be happy to look at a patch that you provide :) not all of us are programmers. we appreciate the effort that goes into writing software. we ask for features. it's great when their implemented, frustrating when not, wouldn't you agree? he voiced frustration. chill. Paul Theodoropoulos http://www.anastrophe.com
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Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Kitchen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 Well, it's not broken. As far as I know, qmailadmin doesn't support TMDA functionality. If you manually edit the .qmail files to make it work with TMDA, then you've gone above and beyond qmailadmin's authority. Just like say, you edit an apache configuration you made with a gui or web-based interface and it breaks, you can't really blame the makers of the software, because you're doing something they didn't intend. Also, I don't see you paying Tom or anyone else to fix the problem you have with qmailadmin, so I don't think it's fair that you can really whine about the fact that your needs weren't catered to personally. (I could be mistaken, you may have paid Tom, but I'm guessing not). Anyways, it's free software, if you want it fixed, I'm sure he'd be happy to look at a patch that you provide :) It worked just fine before the code was changed. Now it's a problem it was not in the older versions so this tells me that there is no big chore to not break tmda in the .qmail files and you don't have to be a smart a$$ about it. -John
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 07:29 PM, John Johnson wrote: It worked just fine before the code was changed. Now it's a problem it was not in the older versions so this tells me that there is no big chore to not break tmda in the .qmail files I can't recall if or how it worked in 1.0.6. I do know that when it worked in the development releases, it allowed users to put ANYTHING in their .qmail file which is a bit of a security problem. vdelivermail is running as vpopmail, so it would be possible for a malicious user to do things up to and including deleting ~vpopmail. How do normal qmail installs handle this? I assume that qmail-local usually runs as root and does a setuid() to the user's account before processing their .qmail file. -- Tom Collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED] QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1
- Original Message - From: Tom Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 I can't recall if or how it worked in 1.0.6. I do know that when it worked in the development releases, it allowed users to put ANYTHING in their .qmail file which is a bit of a security problem. vdelivermail is running as vpopmail, so it would be possible for a malicious user to do things up to and including deleting ~vpopmail. How do normal qmail installs handle this? I assume that qmail-local usually runs as root and does a setuid() to the user's account before processing their .qmail file. I don't need qmailadmin to allow me to put tmda settings in my .qmail files there is a cgi for tmda that does all that for me, I just need qmailadmin to let the settings be and not remove them. I never have used qmailadmin in anyway for editing settings to the .qmail files for tmda because of the nice cgi that comes with tmda. I have never had a problem with qmailadmin removing my tmda settings from the .qmail files, but I also have not upgraded now that qmailadmin will remove this stuff. -John
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 TMDA compatability
[please don't cc me, the list copy is enough] On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 09:35 PM, John Johnson wrote: I don't need qmailadmin to allow me to put tmda settings in my .qmail files there is a cgi for tmda that does all that for me, I just need qmailadmin to let the settings be and not remove them. I understand this. I never have used qmailadmin in anyway for editing settings to the .qmail files for tmda because of the nice cgi that comes with tmda. I have never had a problem with qmailadmin removing my tmda settings from the .qmail files, but I also have not upgraded now that qmailadmin will remove this stuff. What version are you using? What I'm saying is that versions 1.0.13 through 1.0.24 may have been good in that they didn't remove your tmda settings. Those versions are bad in that they allow any user to put possibly malicious settings into their .qmail file. The proper solution to all of this is to write new code to write out the .qmail file. It will need to read in the old .qmail file, perhaps copying TMDA settings to a tmp.qmail file, then all of the new settings, and finally replacing .qmail with tmp.qmail. At the same time, we'll probably replace the code that parses .qmail files since (as I recall), it couldn't handle the autoreponder line coming at the end of the file. -- Tom Collins - [EMAIL PROTECTED] QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/ Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 TMDA compatability
- Original Message - From: Tom Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [qmailadmin] QmailAdmin 1.2.0-pre1 TMDA compatability What version are you using? 1.0.24 What I'm saying is that versions 1.0.13 through 1.0.24 may have been good in that they didn't remove your tmda settings. Those versions are bad in that they allow any user to put possibly malicious settings into their .qmail file. The proper solution to all of this is to write new code to write out the .qmail file. It will need to read in the old .qmail file, perhaps copying TMDA settings to a tmp.qmail file, then all of the new settings, and finally replacing .qmail with tmp.qmail. At the same time, we'll probably replace the code that parses .qmail files since (as I recall), it couldn't handle the autoreponder line coming at the end of the file. Well maybe you can have it look for the word tmda and if it's there then tell it to not mess with that line or something like that... That's the only thing I can think of myself, but again I am not a programmer. -John
