Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

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> No problem. I got started in Linux by learning to install a mail server as
> a matter of fact.

I wish I'd have had time over the years to learn more about mail services.
I've always had others around me to take care of those things once I installed
it and handed it over. It's my worst problem right now in fact, still
unreliable email when I need it most. That's why I've been messing with QMT
which has worked fine as far as I can tell at least.

I suspect there are countless things I've not done however which is why I was
looking at your ISO. I thought that perhaps if someone's already put it
together, that I would make less mistakes getting to a properly working
server. My setup involves multiple servers sharing central storage using
GFS/Clustering.

> MIT as far as looking down their noses at people. I think Linux in general
> would do a lot better if people just answered the damn question instead of
> having to first prove how much more they know than you do.  I'll get
> off my soapbox now. ;)

It's a good point however. Folks won't learn as much as they could if they are
always made to fear asking from those who've learned. Not everyone has the
same skill sets or intelligent or just plain time to learn at the same level
as everyone else. I love that OS challenges the monopoly model but if we keep
scaring those who wish to give it a try away, we're never going to get as far
as we could.

> I get very little input back on any of the scripts/projects I write to be
> honest. To date there have been 114 successful installs of the QMT-ISO, but
> I've only gotten 4 emails off-list with any kind of feedback or problem.

Do you get the sense it's because most are trying to do it on their own so do
the whole install, etc or that folks just don't bother saying anything later?
Perhaps a little of both. I'm not sure that people mean not to come back and
thank the person who gave them the software or give input as much as we all
seem to get sidetracked. Once it's installed, I'm guessing folks don't much
think of the ISO anymore since it's then just a QMT install so move on to that
type of documentation, help, use, etc.

> Which site had you gone to? The wiki or my site? Or did you goto
> qtp.qmailtoaster.com?

I went to http://qtp.qmailtoaster.com/trac/

> mainly by me and Eric Shubes, but we've been neglecting it lately) that is
> just add-on tools for your installation.

When I got there, I didn't see anything on the ISO, just tools.

> machine just because I have a 3/3 pipe on that machine that's un-metered.
> Bandwidth still isn't free everywhere so I put the ISO downloads where they
> will affect me the least financially.

I'm guessing I could give you a mirror if you might give me a hand when I get
stuck. I badly need reliable, safe, clean email. Don't know if it's worth it
to you but it's a shot in the dark :).

Mike



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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

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By the way, this is mostly why I was not sure...

>QmailToaster-Plus is an RPM package that contains a menu and supporting
>scripts which add additional features and utilities to your QmailToaster. It
>is an administrator's toolkit of sorts.

In my new experiences with fully prepared ISO's, I've not yet seen to term RPM
package as in one package so made the assumption that this means add on
packages all in one package or CD.

Mike




On Sat, 05 May 2007 16:46:58 -0400, Jake Vickers wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >  >  huh?
>
>> Why huh? You answered the question, thanks. It was not clear to me and
>> I'm sure it wasn't to me, might not be to others who are too scared to
>> ask for fear of being looked down on for asking :).
> "Huh" because I didn't understand what you were asking about. I'm still not
> clear as to what was unclear to you, if that makes sense.
> And no one should fear being looked down upon on THIS list. Other lists are
> another story, but I think we all try and be civil and explain things as
> best we can on this list. I personally will never answer "RTFM" because I
> always hated it when people did it to me and if the manual was that clear I
> wouldn't be asking the question.




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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

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One of the first questions I asked I got that attitude thing from someone who 
took the time to tell me that I should learn about what I'm doing rather then 
just ask. He pointed out that he was not going to give me the answer because 
he wanted me to learn. 

Funny, I've been building networks using the very latest technology for over 
15 years, constantly on the cutting edge and you know, we can't all be pro's 
at everything out there and sometimes, don't care to be. We just want to get 
something working by seeing some example of it then learn from there as we 
have a little more time. Wish people would figure that out.


Thanks for being cool about it, I guess I jumped to conclusions when I saw 
'huh' and thought it meant something else :).
  
No problem. I got started in Linux by learning to install a mail server 
as a matter of fact. I made the mistake (several times over the years) 
of joining the official Qmail mailing list and asking a question. 
They're almost as bad as an embedded processor mailing list I'm on 
that's run by MIT as far as looking down their noses at people. I think 
Linux in general would do a lot better if people just answered the damn 
question instead of having to first prove how much more they know than 
you do.  I'll get off my soapbox now. ;)
  
As for what I meant, I just mean that I did go to your site, I did read and 
try to get a handle on what the ISO was. From what I could tell, it was either 
of two things. It appeared to be either a full install of QMT or it could also 
have been tools which one adds to their QMT install.


That's just one guy's input of course.
  
I get very little input back on any of the scripts/projects I write to 
be honest. To date there have been 114 successful installs of the 
QMT-ISO, but I've only gotten 4 emails off-list with any kind of 
feedback or problem. One of those was to tell me thanks for the hard 
work which was appreciated.
Which site had you gone to? The wiki or my site? Or did you goto 
qtp.qmailtoaster.com? That's another project we started here (it's run 
mainly by me and Eric Shubes, but we've been neglecting it lately) that 
is just add-on tools for your installation. The ISO is in a subdir on 
that machine just because I have a 3/3 pipe on that machine that's 
un-metered. Bandwidth still isn't free everywhere so I put the ISO 
downloads where they will affect me the least financially.
If that's the case I'll make a note on qtp.qmailtoaster.com as well as 
the ISO dir of where to go for the real docs.


Thanks.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

[Jake Vickers]

Jake Vickers wrote:
I have released QMT-ISO version 1.2. It's been uploaded and is 
available at http://qtp.qmailtoaster.com/iso



The wiki has been updated for the 1.2 release notes.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

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>> Why huh? You answered the question, thanks. It was not clear to me and
>> I'm sure it wasn't to me, might not be to others who are too scared to
>> ask for fear of being looked down on for asking :).

One of the first questions I asked I got that attitude thing from someone who
took the time to tell me that I should learn about what I'm doing rather then
just ask. He pointed out that he was not going to give me the answer because
he wanted me to learn.

Funny, I've been building networks using the very latest technology for over
15 years, constantly on the cutting edge and you know, we can't all be pro's
at everything out there and sometimes, don't care to be. We just want to get
something working by seeing some example of it then learn from there as we
have a little more time. Wish people would figure that out.

Thanks for being cool about it, I guess I jumped to conclusions when I saw
'huh' and thought it meant something else :).

> "Huh" because I didn't understand what you were asking about. I'm still not
> clear as to what was unclear to you, if that makes sense.

As for what I meant, I just mean that I did go to your site, I did read and
try to get a handle on what the ISO was. From what I could tell, it was either
of two things. It appeared to be either a full install of QMT or it could also
have been tools which one adds to their QMT install.

That's just one guy's input of course.

Mike



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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

[Jake Vickers]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
huh? 



Why huh? You answered the question, thanks. It was not clear to me and I'm 
sure it wasn't to me, might not be to others who are too scared to ask for 
fear of being looked down on for asking :).


  
"Huh" because I didn't understand what you were asking about. I'm still 
not clear as to what was unclear to you, if that makes sense.
And no one should fear being looked down upon on THIS list. Other lists 
are another story, but I think we all try and be civil and explain 
things as best we can on this list. I personally will never answer 
"RTFM" because I always hated it when people did it to me and if the 
manual was that clear I wouldn't be asking the question.




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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

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> huh?

Why huh? You answered the question, thanks. It was not clear to me and I'm
sure it wasn't to me, might not be to others who are too scared to ask for
fear of being looked down on for asking :).

Mike


>QMT-ISO is an installation CD that when run will give you an
> install of CentOS 4.4 with all udpates and install QmailToaster for you
> as well as a few other "additions" I've thrown in. So to question 2, yes
> it's an installation CD. OS and mail server.
> You can download the ISO here:
> http://qtp.qmailtoaster.com/iso/QMT-ISO-1.2.iso and then burn it to CD
> using whatever tool you like.




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Re: [qmailtoaster] Messages from outside

[Jake Vickers]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Help from Jake and Eric would be great at this point because I'm in a 
dead end. Guys, are you out there !!?


Craig, you really help me a lot so I want to thank you for the time 
you spent on this problem.


Marcos

 





I've not been watching this thread, and I just briefly glanced over it.
So you've set up DNS correctly for mailhost2.company.com and 
mailhost2.company.net

You logged into the CLI and created mailhost2.company.com, correct?
Then log into qmailadmin (web page interface - let's keep the process as 
simple as possible to figure out the issue) and made sure you can log in 
as postmaster.
While logged in as postmaster, create an email for testing. Now try 
sending an external email to that person. Does it go through?
Do not create the alias domain yet, and do not modify any .qmail files. 
It can get REALLY confusing when you start using .qmail files since the 
current versions of Toaster do not use them. If you're not familiar with 
them, don't mess with them. Everything is handled in a mysql table now.
Once we make sure it works to that point, we'll throw the next vegetable 
in the stew.


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO-1.2 Released

[Jake Vickers]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm looking at the site but it's not clear to me if this is a pre-installed 
ISO of QMT or the tools that are listed on the top page? Is this an install 
CD?


  
huh? QMT-ISO is an installation CD that when run will give you an 
install of CentOS 4.4 with all udpates and install QmailToaster for you 
as well as a few other "additions" I've thrown in. So to question 2, yes 
it's an installation CD. OS and mail server.
You can download the ISO here: 
http://qtp.qmailtoaster.com/iso/QMT-ISO-1.2.iso and then burn it to CD 
using whatever tool you like.


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