Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

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> Do you have a PTR (reverse) DNS record set up?

Sure do. I have other email servers on my net and they all work fine. It's the
QMT that's having these problems only.

> To get mails to Yahoo you'll have to fill out their form.  If your server
> has been around a long time, you'll be in their list. Otherwise you'll be
> greylisted by them and have to fill out that form.

I've now done that, thanks.

> Hotmail will block you if you do not have a valid PTR record like AOL does
> if I remember correctly.

I've actually gone to the AOL site where they offer a test to see if your
email can make it to their servers. Everything passes.

I'm trying to find more accurate information on setting up QMT at this point.
Specifically, I'm wanting to better understand some of the control files and
how they could affect what is going on. Items such as defaultdomain and
defaulthost and me, plusdomain etc. I've seen plenty of info but it's just not
clear to me if my problems might be related.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

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> if you are using QMT-ISO you need to change several qmail's control file
> other than localhost

Yup, have done this also. What ever is going on, it's either something simple,
or not obvious to me or who knows what :).

I do appreciate your help on this!

Mike



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[PakOgah]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

once I was using apache/php application on intranet machine (on local
network) sending email using smtp of new QMT-ISO box (on public net)
and I get this error
... while talking to mails.myholding.com.:


MAIL From:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=1313
  

<<< 511 sorry, can't find a valid MX for sender domain (#5.1.1 - chkuser)
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable



Well, since it's not actually bouncing and just being deferred, that's not too 
bad at least. It does seem to fail often enough however and I've been ripping 
my hair out trying to figure out why.


I do have MX, SPF and RDNS records for everything.


okay I give up, I dont know what else to suggest you. what I told you 
before resolved my problem. maybe others have another experience about it.
I am just curios, you said this is new QMT server, are you build it 
using qmailtoaster's install script or QMT-ISO ?
if you are using QMT-ISO you need to change several qmail's control file 
other than localhost
otherwise your server's IP will be listed on cbl.abuseat.org (like me 
before) and perhaps Yahoo/gmail/hotmail use CBL
please check this 
http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/QMT-ISO_Manual_Guide#Setup_.2Fvar.2Fqmail.2Fcontrol_.27s_files


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Re: [qmailtoaster] Mailinglist Archiving for your QMailToaster box

[Jake Vickers]

PakOgah wrote:


btw: Jake, here what I owe you, an installation script for mhonarc, I 
think it can replace install-mhonarc script on QMT-ISO or add it as 
another utility on QTP




Thanks. I'll try and take a look at it next week sometime.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>once I was using apache/php application on intranet machine (on local
>network) sending email using smtp of new QMT-ISO box (on public net)
>and I get this error
>... while talking to mails.myholding.com.:
> >>> MAIL From:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=1313
><<< 511 sorry, can't find a valid MX for sender domain (#5.1.1 - chkuser)
>554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

Well, since it's not actually bouncing and just being deferred, that's not too
bad at least. It does seem to fail often enough however and I've been ripping
my hair out trying to figure out why.

I do have MX, SPF and RDNS records for everything. Yet, I keep getting things
like;

To Yahoo,

delivery 239: deferral:
Connected_to_209.191.118.103_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_
421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/

delivery 244: deferral:
Connected_to_216.39.53.3_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_
421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/

delivery 248: deferral:
Connected_to_216.39.53.1_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_
421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/

delivery 259: deferral:
Connected_to_206.190.53.191_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_
421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/

To Hotmail;

delivery 236: deferral:
Connected_to_64.233.163.27_but_connection_died._(#4.4.2)/

Gmail messages and hotmail don't even show up at all and no bounces either.

Mike



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RE: [qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes

[Sergio Minini {NETKEY}]

Ok, i'll try to take a closer look.
Which were the lines you told me to look for in your first reply?
The ones that could tell me something about  wheter SA is 'learning' or not.
 
Thanks!

-Original Message-
 You'll probably need to fix those issues first - sometimes spamassassin won't
run with broken things.
And you also need to have fed 200 spam messages to it, AND fed it 200 ham
messages as well. It needs to see both sides before it can work right.

Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[PakOgah]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

PS: These are examples of messages I am receiving;

To Yahoo,

delivery 239: deferral: 
Connected_to_209.191.118.103_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_

421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/
  
correct, these are the same thing happen when I am installing new server 
with QMT-ISO
Yahoo said it only greylist your server and my server will try again but 
unfortunately they greylist to fast

within 1 day I get more than 50 of these error
follow the link my dear friend
you will find a form to filled to contact Yahoo Admin. (it require 
Yahoo's account to access it)

http://help.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/mail/cgi_defer
and choose Yahoo! Mail Errors and Problems Form

fill out the form once and wait 2-3 days for response
if no response, fill it again and a day for response
no response again? this time you have to fill it as you very need them, 
desperate, use foul language, yell...

what ever to get their attention. until finally the email back to you.
or do you want email Yahoo directly ??

use it
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

good luck!!!


To Hotmail;

delivery 236: deferral: 
Connected_to_64.233.163.27_but_connection_died._(#4.4.2)/
  
I never experience with Hotmail, dont have friends or users with 
Hotmail's account



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

PS: These are examples of messages I am receiving;

To Yahoo,

delivery 239: deferral:
Connected_to_209.191.118.103_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_
421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/


To Hotmail;

delivery 236: deferral:
Connected_to_64.233.163.27_but_connection_died._(#4.4.2)/



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Re: [qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes

[Jake Vickers]

Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:

Ok, i'll try to take a closer look.
Which were the lines you told me to look for in your first reply?
The ones that could tell me something about  wheter SA is 'learning' 
or not.
 
Thanks!


-Original Message-
 You'll probably need to fix those issues first - sometimes
spamassassin won't run with broken things.
And you also need to have fed 200 spam messages to it, AND fed it
200 ham messages as well. It needs to see both sides before it can
work right.



You'll see if it has not gotten 200 messages in each yet - it will say 
something like (<200 messages) somewhere in the debug.
You'll need to fix those errors first though - I'm suspecting that your 
spamassassin isn't even working if you have that many errors.




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Re: [qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes

[Jake Vickers]

Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:

Jake, what should I look for?
I get an endless list of items, ending with a
[19469] warn: lint: 7 issues detected, please rerun with debug enabled 
for more information
I am sure its way over 200+ msgs now, and it was working before I 
added the SA-script. I just added it to update the filters, but was 
flagging several messages even before the cronned script.


You'll probably need to fix those issues first - sometimes spamassassin 
won't run with broken things.
And you also need to have fed 200 spam messages to it, AND fed it 200 
ham messages as well. It needs to see both sides before it can work right.


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RE: [qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes

[Sergio Minini {NETKEY}]

Jake, what should I look for?
I get an endless list of items, ending with a 
[19469] warn: lint: 7 issues detected, please rerun with debug enabled for more
information

I am sure its way over 200+ msgs now, and it was working before I added the
SA-script. I just added it to update the filters, but was flagging several
messages even before the cronned script.
 
Thanks!
 

-Original Message-
From: Jake Vickers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:20 PM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes


Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote: 

Hi there.
I've been using the SA-learn script in the wiki for several weeks now.
I haven't seen an improvement in the number of flagged emails, so I was
wondering if it was working.
 
Is there a way to check if the bayesian filters are really 'learning' what the
scripts are feeding them?



You'll see into in 'spamassassin -D --lint'.
It needs 200+ messages (ham AND spam) to even start working.

Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[PakOgah]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


For example, apache/php 
applications that use this new server to send sign up emails out definitely 
mostly have these issues. On the other hand, users who have email accounts on 
that same server can send out to those domains without deferrals.


  
once I was using apache/php application on intranet machine (on local 
network) sending email using smtp of new QMT-ISO box (on public net)

and I get this error
... while talking to mails.myholding.com.:
>>> MAIL From:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=1313
<<< 511 sorry, can't find a valid MX for sender domain (#5.1.1 - chkuser)
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

until finally I add my machine A record on DNS server, the application 
can use QMT to sending email again


http://am3n.profusehost.net/post/index/73/511-sorry-cant-find-a-valid-MX-for-sender-domain-511--chkuser

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Re: [qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes

[Jake Vickers]

Sergio Minini {NETKEY} wrote:

Hi there.
I've been using the SA-learn script in the wiki for several weeks now.
I haven't seen an improvement in the number of flagged emails, so I 
was wondering if it was working.
 
Is there a way to check if the bayesian filters are really 'learning' 
what the scripts are feeding them?


You'll see into in 'spamassassin -D --lint'.
It needs 200+ messages (ham AND spam) to even start working.



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>I am a little confused about your email? is it email from your server being
>graylisted when you sent to Yahoo / Hotmail ?

Yes, I thought I did say it was coming from the new server I built. Outgoing
to yahoo for example immediately is deferred from this server but not another
one on my network. Email to hotmail just plain disappears a lot, there is
never even a bounce.

I'm happy to list what ever I need to the list so that someone can help me.
The problem seems to be that remote servers see email sent from other machines
on my network as being relayed or something. For example, apache/php
applications that use this new server to send sign up emails out definitely
mostly have these issues. On the other hand, users who have email accounts on
that same server can send out to those domains without deferrals.

>If so try to setup SPF record for your domain? detailed intruction is
>available on wiki

I do have spf set up for my dns servers but I've left QMT at level 1 since any
higher just keeps getting bounces. At a low level, the receiver at least sees
that I am using spf and seems to allow the mail more often than not.

>My experience for YahooMail they have AntiSpam system so every time I
>sent email to yahoo, it stuck in queue for sometime because deffered by
>Yahoo until I am ask Yahoo to whitelist my servers' IP address (they ask

I may have to do that but it would only be for this new server. That's why I
thought I would ask here to get some ideas before changing too many things or
contacting various sites.

Mike



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[qmailtoaster] Mailinglist Archiving for your QMailToaster box

[PakOgah]

Dear list,

I have made an install script to providing a mailinglist archiving (like 
mail-archive.com) for qmailtoaster.
it is based on MhonArc and mharc. live demo can be view at 
http://www.mhonarc.org/archive/


simple install howto:
# wget http://am3n.profusehost.net/files/install-mailarchive.sh
# chmod +x install-mailarchive.sh
# vi install-mailarchive.sh
# ./install-mailarchive.sh

More info about the script you visit my blog at
http://am3n.profusehost.net/post/index/82/Install-MailArchiving-system-on-QMailToaster
and read the script description. For customizing your Mailinglist 
Archiving system visit MHonArc and mharc website

http://www.mhonarc.org/
http://www.mhonarc.org/mharc/

need yours' help to test it
feedback and comment are appreciate

note:added to wiki 
http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.php/MailingList_Archiving
btw: Jake, here what I owe you, an installation script for mhonarc, I 
think it can replace install-mhonarc script on QMT-ISO or add it as 
another utility on QTP


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[qmailtoaster] SA Learn & Bayes

[Sergio Minini {NETKEY}]

Hi there.
I've been using the SA-learn script in the wiki for several weeks now.
I haven't seen an improvement in the number of flagged emails, so I was
wondering if it was working.
 
Is there a way to check if the bayesian filters are really 'learning' what the
scripts are feeding them?
 
Thanks!
 
---
Sergio Minini
NetKey Solutions
( 4742.1101
  http://www.netkey.com.ar
  http://www.totemsoft.com.ar
 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Greylisting problem

[Jake Vickers]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Well, since it's not actually bouncing and just being deferred, that's not too 
bad at least. It does seem to fail often enough however and I've been ripping 
my hair out trying to figure out why.


I do have MX, SPF and RDNS records for everything. Yet, I keep getting things 
like;


To Yahoo,

delivery 239: deferral: 
Connected_to_209.191.118.103_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_

421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/

delivery 244: deferral: 
Connected_to_216.39.53.3_but_greeting_failed./Remote_host_said:_

421_Message_from_(x.x.x.250)_temporarily_deferred_-_4.16.50._
Please_refer_to_http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html/
  


Do you have a PTR (reverse) DNS record set up?
To get mails to Yahoo you'll have to fill out their form.  If your 
server has been around a long time, you'll be in their list. Otherwise 
you'll be greylisted by them and have to fill out that form.
Hotmail will block you if you do not have a valid PTR record like AOL 
does if I remember correctly.
When you contact Yahoo, also let them know they are sending a link that 
no longer exists in their defer messages - that can get annoying fast.




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