Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem
On 3/19/2012 1:16 AM, Délsio Cabá wrote: Hi, Web based is good for clients that are always on the move and need to use mobile phones (IMAP), this way the emails will be kept on the server. But whenever possible try to offer your clients pop3 so that your server doesn't get out of space. Cheers Délsio, I would caveat that recommendation with this: - When my client is a home user and the only service I'm providing is DNS and EMail, then yes, I can see recommending POP so as to get their data off of my server... BUT - When my client is a business (even -- or actually especially when -- a home business), I virtually FORCE them to use IMAP so that the data is on a server, and not just their own hard drive. As I tell my clients: When you use IMAP, you don't have to include your emails in your daily backup of your system... you do backup your system daily, right? Of course, that's a great lead in to my offsite backup solutions... :-) Seriously though, when my clients are hiring me for consulting work, I ALWAYS recommend IMAP for the safety of their data! Just my thoughts... remember what you paid for them before complaining! :-) Dan McAllister -- IT4SOHO, LLC PO Box 507 St. Petersburg, FL 33731-0507 CALL TOLL FREE: 877-IT4SOHO We have support plans for QMail! - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem
Hi, I only do backup once a week :( and the backups are local to another NAS As for the IMAP I must agreed that it's safer since they benefit from the backups of the server. But there is a downside: As time goes on the user will have a larger Inbox/Outbox folder and that means loading those folders every time the user logins. You need to have a fast WAN connection to keep many clients using IMAP :( IMAP is good when client and server are very close, like the squirrelmail and the courier you have on your qmailtoaster, that works perfectly. ut when you separate IMAP client from the server, things are not so good. That's why I am investigating the MAPI protocol as an alternative to deploy for my clients and also to fight the growing need to Office 365 which comes with MS Exchange online. Sogo is an alternative to MS Exchange and it's believed to work with qmailtoaster. But I never had time to test it. Why don't you try it? On 19 March 2012 16:54, Dan McAllister q...@it4soho.com wrote: On 3/19/2012 1:16 AM, Délsio Cabá wrote: Hi, Web based is good for clients that are always on the move and need to use mobile phones (IMAP), this way the emails will be kept on the server. But whenever possible try to offer your clients pop3 so that your server doesn't get out of space. Cheers Délsio, I would caveat that recommendation with this: - When my client is a home user and the only service I'm providing is DNS and EMail, then yes, I can see recommending POP so as to get their data off of my server... BUT - When my client is a business (even -- or actually especially when -- a home business), I virtually FORCE them to use IMAP so that the data is on a server, and not just their own hard drive. As I tell my clients: When you use IMAP, you don't have to include your emails in your daily backup of your system... you do backup your system daily, right? Of course, that's a great lead in to my offsite backup solutions... :-) Seriously though, when my clients are hiring me for consulting work, I ALWAYS recommend IMAP for the safety of their data! Just my thoughts... remember what you paid for them before complaining! :-) Dan McAllister -- IT4SOHO, LLC PO Box 507 St. Petersburg, FL 33731-0507 CALL TOLL FREE: 877-IT4SOHO We have support plans for QMail! --**--** - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group ( www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! --**--** - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscribe@** qmailtoaster.com qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-help@** qmailtoaster.com qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem
On 3/19/2012 1:10 PM, Délsio Cabá wrote: Hi, I only do backup once a week :( and the backups are local to another NAS As for the IMAP I must agreed that it's safer since they benefit from the backups of the server. But there is a downside: As time goes on the user will have a larger Inbox/Outbox folder and that means loading those folders every time the user logins. You need to have a fast WAN connection to keep many clients using IMAP :( IMAP is good when client and server are very close, like the squirrelmail and the courier you have on your qmailtoaster, that works perfectly. ut when you separate IMAP client from the server, things are not so good. That's why I am investigating the MAPI protocol as an alternative to deploy for my clients and also to fight the growing need to Office 365 which comes with MS Exchange online. Sogo is an alternative to MS Exchange and it's believed to work with qmailtoaster. But I never had time to test it. Why don't you try it? You raise valid concerns regarding mailbox size... however, by teaching your clients to create and use both online and offline folders, you considerably mitigate those issues... for example, I have several Insurance Agencies as clients -- they routinely get about 4GB of emails per year on their main site... but by separating them as they come in into existing, new, old clients; and then in to auto, health, life, and other folders, the sizes become VERY manageable. Then, once every 6-months, we archive everything more than 18months old into offline storage. Thus, they can search (nearly instantly) the last 18 months of emails, and can search (locally, and more slowly) older messages very easily. Most of these clients use Thunderbird and IMAP... there are known issues with Outlook (esp. 2003 and older) and IMAP... if you ask me, issues PLANTED by MS to encourage using Exchange vs. IMAP... As for using MAPI, my only concern there is that I prefer to stay away from monolithic standards (that is, standards that are controlled by a for-profit company)... and Microsoft has a well-earned reputation (think Active Directory) for making unilateral and unannounced changes to their standards specifically to break compatible 3rd party applications. (In Microsoft's defense, they do have a more recent history of working WITH the Open Source community... but its going to take more of a track record for me to trust MS standards... and I'm not there yet. Of course, one of the best things about Open Source is that we all get to do our own thing for our own reasons! Dan -- IT4SOHO, LLC PO Box 507 St. Petersburg, FL 33731-0507 CALL TOLL FREE: 877-IT4SOHO We have support plans for QMail! - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
[qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem
REAL_DIST=CentOS DISTRO=CentOS OSVER=5.8 QTARCH=i686 QTKERN=2.6.18-308.1.1.el5 BUILD_DIST=cnt50 BUILD_DIR=/usr/src/redhat I am having a problem logging in via IMAP. It appears that POP users are logging in just fine. The error I am receiving is Connection to IMAP server failed I am using courier and have the same issue whether I use a web based or e mail client. I know I am being vague, but need some guidance here. Thanks, CJ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 http://yother.com Check out the new Volvo classified resource http://www.volvoclassified.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem
I think I found it. It is a bad servercert.pem file. CJ On 03/18/2012 10:04 PM, Maxwell Smart wrote: REAL_DIST=CentOS DISTRO=CentOS OSVER=5.8 QTARCH=i686 QTKERN=2.6.18-308.1.1.el5 BUILD_DIST=cnt50 BUILD_DIR=/usr/src/redhat I am having a problem logging in via IMAP. It appears that POP users are logging in just fine. The error I am receiving is Connection to IMAP server failed I am using courier and have the same issue whether I use a web based or e mail client. I know I am being vague, but need some guidance here. Thanks, CJ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. cj cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 http://yother.com Check out the new Volvo classified resource http://www.volvoclassified.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem
It's a small server with 27G used and 715G capacity. I prefer they use IMAP because I back up and they don't. I only have a dozen clients and this makes it easier for all involved. I can see your point and if my server was larger I would push them to POP. CJ On 03/18/2012 10:16 PM, Dlsio Cab wrote: Hi, Web based is good for clients that are always on the move and need to use mobile phones (IMAP), this way the emails will be kept on the server. But whenever possible try to offer your clients pop3 so that your server doesn't get out of space. Cheers On 19 March 2012 07:04, Maxwell Smart c...@yother.com wrote: REAL_DIST=CentOS DISTRO=CentOS OSVER=5.8 QTARCH=i686 QTKERN=2.6.18-308.1.1.el5 BUILD_DIST=cnt50 BUILD_DIR=/usr/src/redhat I am having a problem logging in via IMAP. It appears that POP users are logging in just fine. The error I am receiving is "Connection to IMAP server failed" I am using courier and have the same issue whether I use a web based or e mail client. I know I am being vague, but need some guidance here. Thanks, CJ -- Cecil Yother, Jr. "cj" cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 http://yother.com Check out the new Volvo classified resource http://www.volvoclassified.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com -- Cecil Yother, Jr. "cj" cj's 2318 Clement Ave Alameda, CA 94501 tel 510.865.2787 http://yother.com Check out the new Volvo classified resource http://www.volvoclassified.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
