Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem

2012-03-19 Thread Dan McAllister

On 3/19/2012 1:16 AM, Délsio Cabá wrote:

Hi,

Web based is good for clients that are always on the move and need to 
use mobile phones (IMAP), this way the emails will be kept on the server.
But whenever possible try to offer your clients pop3 so that your 
server doesn't get out of space.


Cheers

Délsio,

I would caveat that recommendation with this:
 - When my client is a home user and the only service I'm providing 
is DNS and EMail, then yes, I can see recommending POP so as to get 
their data off of my server... BUT
 - When my client is a business (even -- or actually especially when -- 
a home business), I virtually FORCE them to use IMAP so that the data is 
on a server, and not just their own hard drive. As I tell my clients: 
When you use IMAP, you don't have to include your emails in your daily 
backup of your system... you do backup your system daily, right?


Of course, that's a great lead in to my offsite backup solutions... :-)

Seriously though, when my clients are hiring me for consulting work, I 
ALWAYS recommend IMAP for the safety of their data!


Just my thoughts... remember what you paid for them before complaining! :-)

Dan McAllister

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Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem

2012-03-19 Thread Délsio Cabá
Hi,

I only do backup once a week :( and the backups are local to another NAS
As for the IMAP I must agreed that it's safer since they benefit from the
backups of the server.
But there is a downside: As time goes on the user will have a larger
Inbox/Outbox folder and that means loading those folders every time the
user logins. You need to have a fast WAN connection to keep many clients
using IMAP :(
IMAP is good when client and server are very close, like the squirrelmail
and the courier you have on your qmailtoaster, that works perfectly. ut
when you separate IMAP client from the server, things are not so good.


That's why I am investigating the MAPI protocol as an alternative to deploy
for my clients and also to fight the growing need to Office 365 which comes
with MS Exchange online.
Sogo is an alternative to MS Exchange and it's believed to work with
qmailtoaster. But I never had time to test it.

Why don't you try it?



On 19 March 2012 16:54, Dan McAllister q...@it4soho.com wrote:

 On 3/19/2012 1:16 AM, Délsio Cabá wrote:

 Hi,

 Web based is good for clients that are always on the move and need to use
 mobile phones (IMAP), this way the emails will be kept on the server.
 But whenever possible try to offer your clients pop3 so that your server
 doesn't get out of space.

 Cheers

 Délsio,

 I would caveat that recommendation with this:
  - When my client is a home user and the only service I'm providing is
 DNS and EMail, then yes, I can see recommending POP so as to get their data
 off of my server... BUT
  - When my client is a business (even -- or actually especially when -- a
 home business), I virtually FORCE them to use IMAP so that the data is on a
 server, and not just their own hard drive. As I tell my clients: When you
 use IMAP, you don't have to include your emails in your daily backup of
 your system... you do backup your system daily, right?

 Of course, that's a great lead in to my offsite backup solutions... :-)

 Seriously though, when my clients are hiring me for consulting work, I
 ALWAYS recommend IMAP for the safety of their data!

 Just my thoughts... remember what you paid for them before complaining! :-)

 Dan McAllister

 --

 IT4SOHO, LLC
 PO Box 507
 St. Petersburg, FL 33731-0507

 CALL TOLL FREE:
  877-IT4SOHO

 We have support plans for QMail!




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Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem

2012-03-19 Thread Dan McAllister

On 3/19/2012 1:10 PM, Délsio Cabá wrote:

Hi,

I only do backup once a week :( and the backups are local to another NAS
As for the IMAP I must agreed that it's safer since they benefit from 
the backups of the server.
But there is a downside: As time goes on the user will have a larger 
Inbox/Outbox folder and that means loading those folders every time 
the user logins. You need to have a fast WAN connection to keep many 
clients using IMAP :(
IMAP is good when client and server are very close, like the 
squirrelmail and the courier you have on your qmailtoaster, that works 
perfectly. ut when you separate IMAP client from the server, things 
are not so good.



That's why I am investigating the MAPI protocol as an alternative to 
deploy for my clients and also to fight the growing need to Office 365 
which comes with MS Exchange online.
Sogo is an alternative to MS Exchange and it's believed to work with 
qmailtoaster. But I never had time to test it.


Why don't you try it?


You raise valid concerns regarding mailbox size... however, by teaching 
your clients to create and use both online and offline folders, you 
considerably mitigate those issues... for example, I have several 
Insurance Agencies as clients -- they routinely get about 4GB of emails 
per year on their main site... but by separating them as they come in 
into existing, new,  old clients; and then in to auto, health, life, 
and other folders, the sizes become VERY manageable. Then, once every 
6-months, we archive everything more than 18months old into offline 
storage. Thus, they can search (nearly instantly) the last 18 months of 
emails, and can search (locally, and more slowly) older messages very 
easily.


Most of these clients use Thunderbird and IMAP... there are known issues 
with Outlook (esp. 2003 and older) and IMAP... if you ask me, issues 
PLANTED by MS to encourage using Exchange vs. IMAP...


As for using MAPI, my only concern there is that I prefer to stay away 
from monolithic standards (that is, standards that are controlled by a 
for-profit company)... and Microsoft has a well-earned reputation (think 
Active Directory) for making unilateral and unannounced changes to their 
standards specifically to break compatible 3rd party applications. 
(In Microsoft's defense, they do have a more recent history of working 
WITH the Open Source community... but its going to take more of a track 
record for me to trust MS standards... and I'm not there yet.


Of course, one of the best things about Open Source is that we all get 
to do our own thing for our own reasons!


Dan


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[qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem

2012-03-18 Thread Maxwell Smart

REAL_DIST=CentOS
DISTRO=CentOS
OSVER=5.8
QTARCH=i686
QTKERN=2.6.18-308.1.1.el5
BUILD_DIST=cnt50
BUILD_DIR=/usr/src/redhat

I am having a problem logging in via IMAP.  It appears that POP users 
are logging in just fine.  The error I am receiving is Connection to 
IMAP server failed


I am using courier and have the same issue whether I use a web based or 
e mail client.


I know I am being vague, but need some guidance here.

Thanks,

CJ

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Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem

2012-03-18 Thread Maxwell Smart

I think I found it.  It is a bad servercert.pem file.

CJ



On 03/18/2012 10:04 PM, Maxwell Smart wrote:

REAL_DIST=CentOS
DISTRO=CentOS
OSVER=5.8
QTARCH=i686
QTKERN=2.6.18-308.1.1.el5
BUILD_DIST=cnt50
BUILD_DIR=/usr/src/redhat

I am having a problem logging in via IMAP.  It appears that POP users 
are logging in just fine.  The error I am receiving is Connection to 
IMAP server failed


I am using courier and have the same issue whether I use a web based 
or e mail client.


I know I am being vague, but need some guidance here.

Thanks,

CJ



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Re: [qmailtoaster] re: IMAP problem

2012-03-18 Thread Maxwell Smart

  
  
It's a small server with 27G used and 715G capacity. I prefer they
use IMAP because I back up and they don't. I only have a dozen
clients and this makes it easier for all involved. I can see your
point and if my server was larger I would push them to POP.

CJ

On 03/18/2012 10:16 PM, Dlsio Cab wrote:
Hi,
  
  Web based is good for clients that are always on the move and need
  to use mobile phones (IMAP), this way the emails will be kept on
  the server.
  But whenever possible try to offer your clients pop3 so that your
  server doesn't get out of space.
  
  Cheers
  
  On 19 March 2012 07:04, Maxwell Smart c...@yother.com
wrote:

  REAL_DIST=CentOS
  DISTRO=CentOS
  OSVER=5.8
  QTARCH=i686
  QTKERN=2.6.18-308.1.1.el5
  BUILD_DIST=cnt50
  BUILD_DIR=/usr/src/redhat
  
  I am having a problem logging in via IMAP. It appears that
  POP users are logging in just fine. The error I am receiving
  is "Connection to IMAP server failed"
  
  I am using courier and have the same issue whether I use a web
  based or e mail client.
  
  I know I am being vague, but need some guidance here.
  
  Thanks,
  
  CJ
  
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  Alameda, CA 94501
  
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