Re: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

[Dan McAllister]

An e-mail address with two @ symbols is ALWAYS illegal... since SMTP was 
introduced in RFC 821 in 1982!


Your "me" file should contain your FQDN -- independent of which domains 
you're hosting!


Just my thoughts...

Dan
IT4SOHO

---
IT4SOHO, LLC
224 13th Ave N
St. Petersburg, FL 33701-1122

877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free
727-647-7646 In Pinellas
813-464-2093 In Hillsborough
727-507-9435 Fax Only

"We make IT work for small business!"




Adam Glass wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks again for the help resolving the fully qualified hostname 
question.  Here's another (and hopefully the last):  When we send 
e-mail to someone with an @msn.com  address it is 
immediately rejected.


The message hints that it may be spam-related, but that is definitely 
not true.  Our hosting provider is extremely careful about that, our 
businesses do not send mass e-mails, and I just double-checked our IP 
address on Spamhaus and it is clean.


This might have to do with my QMT configuration for our two domains.  
Here are the headers from a rejected message (I obscured the 
recipient's username but nothing else is changed):



Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pmcawab.parkermerrick.com 
.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.


:
Connected to 65.55.37.120 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy 
reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like 
characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not an 
email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for 
help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for email 
delivery information and support


--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: 
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 scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.95.1
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Received: from unknown (HELO ?137.52.23.46?) 
(a...@parkermerrick.com@137.52.23.46)

  by pmcawab with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
Message-ID: <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:56:49 -0400

From: Adam Glass 
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: recipi...@msn.com

Subject: Hose clamps
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


I tried changing our me and smtpgreeting files two different ways, but 
with the same result.  In one case I put [137.52.23.46] into the me 
file.  In the other case I changed me and smtpgreeting to use the 
awabllc name instead of parkermerrick.  QMT was restarted after each 
change, but no joy.


Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.

Thank you!
--Adam

RE: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

[Domnick Eger]

If you join there Junk Mail Sender group you can get yourself removed very
fast.

 

https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=edfsjmrpp

&page=support_home_options_form_byemail&ct=eformts&scrx=1

 

This is similar to Return Path with there feedback loop, The biggest thing
with MSN is having a Reverse DNS, and have a decent sender score. I would
signup with there Sender group first and get yourself removed, it harder
when you email them they don't seem to check there support queues very much.

 

  _  

From: Adam Glass [mailto:adamgl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:21 PM
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

 

Hi all,

Thanks again for the help resolving the fully qualified hostname question.
Here's another (and hopefully the last):  When we send e-mail to someone
with an @msn.com address it is immediately rejected.

The message hints that it may be spam-related, but that is definitely not
true.  Our hosting provider is extremely careful about that, our businesses
do not send mass e-mails, and I just double-checked our IP address on
Spamhaus and it is clean.

This might have to do with my QMT configuration for our two domains.  Here
are the headers from a rejected message (I obscured the recipient's username
but nothing else is changed):



Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pmcawab.parkermerrick.com.


I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.


This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.









  :


Connected to 65.55.37.120 but sender was rejected.


Remote host said: 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for
policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with
spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not
an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider
for help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com
  for email delivery information and support









--- Below this line is a copy of the message.





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Received: from unknown (HELO ?137.52.23.46?)
(a...@parkermerrick.com@137.52.23.46)






  by pmcawab with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -


Message-ID:  
<4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com>


Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:56:49 -0400






From: Adam Glass   


User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)


MIME-Version: 1.0


To: recipi...@msn.com  






Subject: Hose clamps


Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



I tried changing our me and smtpgreeting files two different ways, but with
the same result.  In one case I put [137.52.23.46] into the me file.  In the
other case I changed me and smtpgreeting to use the awabllc name instead of
parkermerrick.  QMT was restarted after each change, but no joy.

Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.

Thank you!
--Adam

Re: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

[Adam Glass]

Hmm ... then maybe there is a more basic question.  When creating users for
QMT, I made usernames with an @ symbol because it seemed things got confused
otherwise.  That is, I have the following usernames:

a...@parkermerrick.com - for the parkermerrick.com virtual domain
a...@awabllc.com - for the awabllc.com virtual domain

This has not been a problem in the 3 or 4 months we've been using the
server, but should it be changed?  Can I have the username as just adam for
both virtual domains, or will that confuse things?


Thanks,
--Adam


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dan McAllister  wrote:

>  An e-mail address with two @ symbols is ALWAYS illegal... since SMTP was
> introduced in RFC 821 in 1982!
>
> Your "me" file should contain your FQDN -- independent of which domains
> you're hosting!
>
> Just my thoughts...
>
> Dan
> IT4SOHO
>
> ---
> IT4SOHO, LLC
> 224 13th Ave N
> St. Petersburg, FL 33701-1122
>
> 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free
> 727-647-7646 In Pinellas
> 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough
> 727-507-9435 Fax Only
>
> "We make IT work for small business!"
>
>
>
>
> Adam Glass wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks again for the help resolving the fully qualified hostname question.
> Here's another (and hopefully the last):  When we send e-mail to someone
> with an @msn.com address it is immediately rejected.
>
> The message hints that it may be spam-related, but that is definitely not
> true.  Our hosting provider is extremely careful about that, our businesses
> do not send mass e-mails, and I just double-checked our IP address on
> Spamhaus and it is clean.
>
> This might have to do with my QMT configuration for our two domains.  Here
> are the headers from a rejected message (I obscured the recipient's username
> but nothing else is changed):
>
> 
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pmcawab.parkermerrick.com.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
>  :
> Connected to 65.55.37.120 but sender was rejected.
> Remote host said: 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy 
> reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like 
> characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not an 
> email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for 
> help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for email 
> delivery information and support
>
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Return-Path:  
> Received: (qmail 3540 invoked by uid 89); 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
>
> Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 3533, pid: 3536, t: 0.0729s
>  scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.95.1
> /m:50/d:9332
> Received: from unknown (HELO ?137.52.23.46?) 
> (a...@parkermerrick.com@137.52.23.46)
>
>   by pmcawab with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
> Message-ID: <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com> <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com>
> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:56:49 -0400
>
> From: Adam Glass  
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: recipi...@msn.com 
>
> Subject: Hose clamps
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> 
>
> I tried changing our me and smtpgreeting files two different ways, but with
> the same result.  In one case I put [137.52.23.46] into the me file.  In the
> other case I changed me and smtpgreeting to use the awabllc name instead of
> parkermerrick.  QMT was restarted after each change, but no joy.
>
> Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.
>
> Thank you!
> --Adam
>
>

Re: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

[Toni Cosma]

Adam Glass wrote:
Hmm ... then maybe there is a more basic question.  When
creating users for QMT, I made usernames with an @ symbol because it
seemed things got confused otherwise.  That is, I have the following
usernames:
  
  a...@parkermerrick.com
- for the parkermerrick.com
virtual domain
  a...@awabllc.com
- for the awabllc.com
virtual domain
  
This has not been a problem in the 3 or 4 months we've been using the
server, but should it be changed?  Can I have the username as just adam
for both virtual domains, or will that confuse things?
  
  
Thanks,
--Adam
  
  
  On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dan
McAllister  wrote:
  
An e-mail address with two @
symbols is ALWAYS illegal... since SMTP
was introduced in RFC 821 in 1982!

Your "me" file should contain your FQDN -- independent of which domains
you're hosting!

Just my thoughts...

Dan
IT4SOHO
---
IT4SOHO, LLC
224 13th Ave N
St. Petersburg, FL 33701-1122

877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free
727-647-7646 In Pinellas
813-464-2093 In Hillsborough
727-507-9435 Fax Only

"We make IT work for small business!"





Adam Glass wrote:
Hi all,
  
Thanks again for the help resolving the fully qualified hostname
question.  Here's another (and hopefully the last):  When we send
e-mail to someone with an @msn.com address it is
immediately rejected.
  
The message hints that it may be spam-related, but that is definitely
not true.  Our hosting provider is extremely careful about that, our
businesses do not send mass e-mails, and I just double-checked our IP
address on Spamhaus and it is clean.
  
This might have to do with my QMT configuration for our two domains. 
Here are the headers from a rejected message (I obscured the
recipient's username but nothing else is changed):
  

  Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pmcawab.parkermerrick.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.


:
Connected to 65.55.37.120 but sender was rejected.
Remote host said: 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for email delivery information and support


--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: 
Received: (qmail 3540 invoked by uid 89); 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -

Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 3533, pid: 3536, t: 0.0729s
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/m:50/d:9332
Received: from unknown (HELO ?137.52.23.46?) (a...@parkermerrick.com@137.52.23.46)

  by pmcawab with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
Message-ID: <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:56:49 -0400

From: Adam Glass 
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: recipi...@msn.com

Subject: Hose clamps
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

  
I tried changing our me and smtpgreeting files two different ways, but
with the same result.  In one case I put [137.52.23.46] into the me
file.  In the other case I changed me and smtpgreeting to use the
awabllc name instead of parkermerrick.  QMT was restarted after each
change, but no joy.
  
Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.
  
Thank you!
--Adam




  
  
  

Hi Adam,

When you create a new mail adress using vadduser command and you don`t
specify the entire email adress for that user, then the command will
automatically look for the defaultdomain file in
../vpopmail/etc/defaultdomain to see if a default domain name already
exists. If so, it will create the email adress on that domain existing
in the defaultdomain. You can use same user on several virtual domains,
the difference it`s made by authentification, meaning that users of the
domaind contained in defaultdomain can authentify without need to
specify the entire email adress.








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Re: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

[Adam Glass]

I did some checking on my setup and found this:

1. QMT usernames do NOT have an @ sign in them.  It's just adam, not
a...@awabllc.com

2. The entire e-mail address must be entered into a mail client as the
USERNAME or it won't work.  So if I set up an account in Thunderbird with
the servername mail.awabllc.com using IMAP, I must enter the username as
a...@awabllc.com ... even though that is not the username in the mail
server.  This is also true when accessing squirrelmail on the server.

So I guess that username is putting the second @ sign in the sender's mail
header.  Does anybody know how to fix this?


Thanks!
--Adam


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Toni Cosma  wrote:

>  Adam Glass wrote:
>
> Hmm ... then maybe there is a more basic question.  When creating users for
> QMT, I made usernames with an @ symbol because it seemed things got confused
> otherwise.  That is, I have the following usernames:
>
> a...@parkermerrick.com - for the parkermerrick.com virtual domain
> a...@awabllc.com - for the awabllc.com virtual domain
>
> This has not been a problem in the 3 or 4 months we've been using the
> server, but should it be changed?  Can I have the username as just adam for
> both virtual domains, or will that confuse things?
>
>
> Thanks,
> --Adam
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dan McAllister  wrote:
>
>> An e-mail address with two @ symbols is ALWAYS illegal... since SMTP was
>> introduced in RFC 821 in 1982!
>>
>> Your "me" file should contain your FQDN -- independent of which domains
>> you're hosting!
>>
>> Just my thoughts...
>>
>> Dan
>> IT4SOHO
>>
>> ---
>> IT4SOHO, LLC
>> 224 13th Ave N
>> St. Petersburg, FL 33701-1122
>>
>> 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free
>> 727-647-7646 In Pinellas
>> 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough
>> 727-507-9435 Fax Only
>>
>> "We make IT work for small business!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam Glass wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks again for the help resolving the fully qualified hostname
>> question.  Here's another (and hopefully the last):  When we send e-mail to
>> someone with an @msn.com address it is immediately rejected.
>>
>> The message hints that it may be spam-related, but that is definitely not
>> true.  Our hosting provider is extremely careful about that, our businesses
>> do not send mass e-mails, and I just double-checked our IP address on
>> Spamhaus and it is clean.
>>
>> This might have to do with my QMT configuration for our two domains.  Here
>> are the headers from a rejected message (I obscured the recipient's username
>> but nothing else is changed):
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pmcawab.parkermerrick.com.
>> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>>
>>  :
>> Connected to 65.55.37.120 but sender was rejected.
>> Remote host said: 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for 
>> policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with 
>> spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not 
>> an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider 
>> for help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for 
>> email delivery information and support
>>
>>
>> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>>
>> Return-Path:  
>> Received: (qmail 3540 invoked by uid 89); 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
>>
>> Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 3533, pid: 3536, t: 0.0729s
>>  scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.95.1
>> /m:50/d:9332
>> Received: from unknown (HELO ?137.52.23.46?) 
>> (a...@parkermerrick.com@137.52.23.46)
>>
>>   by pmcawab with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
>> Message-ID: <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com> <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com>
>> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:56:49 -0400
>>
>> From: Adam Glass  
>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> To: recipi...@msn.com 
>>
>> Subject: Hose clamps
>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>
>> 
>>
>> I tried changing our me and smtpgreeting files two different ways, but
>> with the same result.  In one case I put [137.52.23.46] into the me file.
>> In the other case I changed me and smtpgreeting to use the awabllc name
>> instead of parkermerrick.  QMT was restarted after each change, but no joy.
>>
>> Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> --Adam
>>
>>
>  Hi Adam,
>
> When you create a new mail adress using vadduser command and you don`t
> specify the entire email adress for that user, then the command will
> automatically look for the defaultdomain file in
> ../vpopmail/etc/defaultdomain to see if a default domain name already
> exists. If so, it will create the email adress on that domain existing in
> the defaultdomain. You can use same user on several virtual domains, the
> difference it`s made by authentif

Re: [qmailtoaster] Multiple domain names in header

[Adam Glass]

One other observation:  The full e-mail address is also required for the
SMTP username.  If I just put adam there, it thinks for a bit, then asks for
the password, then repeats that forever.  Changing back to
a...@parkermerrick.com, it asks for password immediately, then sends the
message immediately.

--Adam


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Adam Glass  wrote:

> I did some checking on my setup and found this:
>
> 1. QMT usernames do NOT have an @ sign in them.  It's just adam, not
> a...@awabllc.com
>
> 2. The entire e-mail address must be entered into a mail client as the
> USERNAME or it won't work.  So if I set up an account in Thunderbird with
> the servername mail.awabllc.com using IMAP, I must enter the username as
> a...@awabllc.com ... even though that is not the username in the mail
> server.  This is also true when accessing squirrelmail on the server.
>
> So I guess that username is putting the second @ sign in the sender's mail
> header.  Does anybody know how to fix this?
>
>
> Thanks!
> --Adam
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Toni Cosma  wrote:
>
>>  Adam Glass wrote:
>>
>> Hmm ... then maybe there is a more basic question.  When creating users
>> for QMT, I made usernames with an @ symbol because it seemed things got
>> confused otherwise.  That is, I have the following usernames:
>>
>> a...@parkermerrick.com - for the parkermerrick.com virtual domain
>> a...@awabllc.com - for the awabllc.com virtual domain
>>
>> This has not been a problem in the 3 or 4 months we've been using the
>> server, but should it be changed?  Can I have the username as just adam for
>> both virtual domains, or will that confuse things?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --Adam
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dan McAllister  wrote:
>>
>>> An e-mail address with two @ symbols is ALWAYS illegal... since SMTP was
>>> introduced in RFC 821 in 1982!
>>>
>>> Your "me" file should contain your FQDN -- independent of which domains
>>> you're hosting!
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> IT4SOHO
>>>
>>> ---
>>> IT4SOHO, LLC
>>> 224 13th Ave N
>>> St. Petersburg, FL 33701-1122
>>>
>>> 877-IT4SOHO: Toll Free
>>> 727-647-7646 In Pinellas
>>> 813-464-2093 In Hillsborough
>>> 727-507-9435 Fax Only
>>>
>>> "We make IT work for small business!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam Glass wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the help resolving the fully qualified hostname
>>> question.  Here's another (and hopefully the last):  When we send e-mail to
>>> someone with an @msn.com address it is immediately rejected.
>>>
>>> The message hints that it may be spam-related, but that is definitely not
>>> true.  Our hosting provider is extremely careful about that, our businesses
>>> do not send mass e-mails, and I just double-checked our IP address on
>>> Spamhaus and it is clean.
>>>
>>> This might have to do with my QMT configuration for our two domains.
>>> Here are the headers from a rejected message (I obscured the recipient's
>>> username but nothing else is changed):
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pmcawab.parkermerrick.com.
>>> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>>> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>>>
>>>  :
>>> Connected to 65.55.37.120 but sender was rejected.
>>> Remote host said: 550 OU-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for 
>>> policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with 
>>> spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not 
>>> an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider 
>>> for help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for 
>>> email delivery information and support
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>>>
>>> Return-Path:  
>>> Received: (qmail 3540 invoked by uid 89); 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
>>>
>>> Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 3533, pid: 3536, t: 0.0729s
>>>  scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.95.1
>>> /m:50/d:9332
>>> Received: from unknown (HELO ?137.52.23.46?) 
>>> (a...@parkermerrick.com@137.52.23.46)
>>>
>>>   by pmcawab with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2009 20:56:51 -
>>> Message-ID: <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com> <4acbaf11.3080...@awabllc.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:56:49 -0400
>>>
>>> From: Adam Glass  
>>> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817)
>>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>>> To: recipi...@msn.com 
>>>
>>> Subject: Hose clamps
>>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I tried changing our me and smtpgreeting files two different ways, but
>>> with the same result.  In one case I put [137.52.23.46] into the me file.
>>> In the other case I changed me and smtpgreeting to use the awabllc name
>>> instead of parkermerrick.  QMT was restarted after each change, but no joy.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions or advice would be most a