Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Try to set 2) .qmail-default to | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox This is the recommended behaviour and ensures that a) the mail is not processed (and using resources) by any filter before being deleted and b) that senders will be informed when sending mails to non-existing accounts. In many European countries it is also an legal issues not to delete received (E-)Mails: Mails accepted for delivery must be delivered (except when infected by viruses). The only disadvantage of this setting is that spammer could scan your domain for valid/invalid addresses. Johannes Tek Support schrieb: I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Thanks John On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Jake Vickers[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tek Support wrote: Hi all, I've installed the taps logging into my system and it's obvious to me that we are getting a copy of every email that comes to our server even though the recipient doesn't exist. I've viewed the information on the toaster and inter7, but I don't see any way to either block spam or log emails only for valid recipients. Do you have it set to bounce/delete for your catchall, or is there an account that is set as the catchall? -- Current Taps Control File -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End-- Don't do this - it creates an endless loop for the tap - it taps everything for mydomain.com, so when it sends the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it then has to tap that, so that tap gets a tap, and then that tap gets a tap, etc. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |- | weberhofer GmbH | Johannes Weberhofer | information technologies | Austria, 1080 Wien, Blindengasse 52/3 |--- - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Tek Support wrote: I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- It will accept email for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete messages to unknown users this way. Try changing it to bounce and see if that eliminates your problem. 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Then the instructions are wrong. If you're talking about the wiki, I'll change them. You need to create a new domain on the machine - it does not have to be a real domain. It could be a fake domain called tap.mydomain.com, and you send the emails to an address at the fake domain. This will stop the circular loop you've got. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Jake, I'll try changing it to bounce and I'll get back to you. But doesn't the bounce create more traffic? What I've thought happens is that we get the original spam for a non-valid account, we send out a bounce, and then that bounce gets bounced back to us because the sender didn't really exist. I know that somewhere the bounce gets stopped, but is it after I've sent mine, or is it after they've sent their bounce? Kind of seems like a waste of bandwidth and resources if 2 bounces get sent, or even if I'm bouncing to a non-valid original sender. As for the wiki instructions - I have mis-understood them. It says to use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as the recipient. It seemed to me that this meant I could send it to anyone even a user on the same domain. It might be helpful to say what you told me here, do not use a valid domain for the recipient or something like that as I never would have understood that from just the example. And are there any instructions or suggestions on viewing this new non-valid Inbox from sqmail or some other reader - so I can validate whats going on since the [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain doesn't really exist? Perhaps sqmail will let me login as that user since it has the domain and user in vpopmail? I'll try that too. Thanks John On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tek Support wrote: I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- It will accept email for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete messages to unknown users this way. Try changing it to bounce and see if that eliminates your problem. 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Then the instructions are wrong. If you're talking about the wiki, I'll change them. You need to create a new domain on the machine - it does not have to be a real domain. It could be a fake domain called tap.mydomain.com, and you send the emails to an address at the fake domain. This will stop the circular loop you've got. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
I've setup the bounce-no-mailbox and also created an 'example.com' domain on my box. The email is going to my box at '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', and it also appears that only email destined for a valid user is getting put in the taps mailbox. I also tried logging into my sqmail with that user, and it worked fine. Thanks John On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tek Support wrote: I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- It will accept email for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete messages to unknown users this way. Try changing it to bounce and see if that eliminates your problem. 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Then the instructions are wrong. If you're talking about the wiki, I'll change them. You need to create a new domain on the machine - it does not have to be a real domain. It could be a fake domain called tap.mydomain.com, and you send the emails to an address at the fake domain. This will stop the circular loop you've got. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many European countries it is also an legal issues not to delete received (E-)Mails: Mails accepted for delivery must be delivered (except when infected by viruses). Does this legal issue mean that for archiving purposes you have to keep all mail destined for a valid user? I would think for an archiving purpose you could at least delete the spam. Thanks John - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Bounce setting on qmt actually rejects accepting mails at SMTP level instead of bouncing the message. You are right, bouncing messages (esp. for non-existing recipients) can cause backscatters: it can make your server to a spam-relay which bounces spams or viruses back to faked senders who are the final messages' receipients. Johannes Tek Support schrieb: Jake, I'll try changing it to bounce and I'll get back to you. But doesn't the bounce create more traffic? What I've thought happens is that we get the original spam for a non-valid account, we send out a bounce, and then that bounce gets bounced back to us because the sender didn't really exist. I know that somewhere the bounce gets stopped, but is it after I've sent mine, or is it after they've sent their bounce? Kind of seems like a waste of bandwidth and resources if 2 bounces get sent, or even if I'm bouncing to a non-valid original sender. As for the wiki instructions - I have mis-understood them. It says to use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as the recipient. It seemed to me that this meant I could send it to anyone even a user on the same domain. It might be helpful to say what you told me here, do not use a valid domain for the recipient or something like that as I never would have understood that from just the example. And are there any instructions or suggestions on viewing this new non-valid Inbox from sqmail or some other reader - so I can validate whats going on since the [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain doesn't really exist? Perhaps sqmail will let me login as that user since it has the domain and user in vpopmail? I'll try that too. Thanks John On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Jake Vickers[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tek Support wrote: I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- It will accept email for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete messages to unknown users this way. Try changing it to bounce and see if that eliminates your problem. 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Then the instructions are wrong. If you're talking about the wiki, I'll change them. You need to create a new domain on the machine - it does not have to be a real domain. It could be a fake domain called tap.mydomain.com, and you send the emails to an address at the fake domain. This will stop the circular loop you've got. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |- | weberhofer GmbH | Johannes Weberhofer | information technologies | Austria, 1080 Wien, Blindengasse 52/3 |--- - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
The situation in Germany/Austria is, that you have too keep all messages for legal users except when you refuse the messages on SMTP level. When you want to delete some messages after accepting them, the owner of the mailbox must explicitly agree to that. I'm not completely sure on archiving. In Germany (and I think in Austria, too), you have to store Mails which are relevant for your business-cases in arevision-safe, digitally signed form between six and ten years (an not-free Article describing the situation in Germany can be ordered at http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ix/2005/2/96_kiosk ). As it is very hard to decide what is business-relevant, I would try to filter out as much as possible on SMTP-layer and archive the rest of the mails. Johannes Tek Support schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many European countries it is also an legal issues not to delete received (E-)Mails: Mails accepted for delivery must be delivered (except when infected by viruses). Does this legal issue mean that for archiving purposes you have to keep all mail destined for a valid user? I would think for an archiving purpose you could at least delete the spam. Thanks John - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |- | weberhofer GmbH | Johannes Weberhofer | information technologies | Austria, 1080 Wien, Blindengasse 52/3 |--- - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Thanks, that opens my eyes to what others have to do. Thanks John On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The situation in Germany/Austria is, that you have too keep all messages for legal users except when you refuse the messages on SMTP level. When you want to delete some messages after accepting them, the owner of the mailbox must explicitly agree to that. I'm not completely sure on archiving. In Germany (and I think in Austria, too), you have to store Mails which are relevant for your business-cases in arevision-safe, digitally signed form between six and ten years (an not-free Article describing the situation in Germany can be ordered at http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ix/2005/2/96_kiosk ). As it is very hard to decide what is business-relevant, I would try to filter out as much as possible on SMTP-layer and archive the rest of the mails. Johannes Tek Support schrieb: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many European countries it is also an legal issues not to delete received (E-)Mails: Mails accepted for delivery must be delivered (except when infected by viruses). Does this legal issue mean that for archiving purposes you have to keep all mail destined for a valid user? I would think for an archiving purpose you could at least delete the spam. Thanks John - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |- | weberhofer GmbH | Johannes Weberhofer | information technologies | Austria, 1080 Wien, Blindengasse 52/3 |--- - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
I hadn't realized that it blocks them at the smtp level. That's a great place to do it. But as you noted, I was having the problem for non-valid recipients so I had figured it was best to just delete them. However now that Jake has told me otherwise I've set it to bounce. Thanks John On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bounce setting on qmt actually rejects accepting mails at SMTP level instead of bouncing the message. You are right, bouncing messages (esp. for non-existing recipients) can cause backscatters: it can make your server to a spam-relay which bounces spams or viruses back to faked senders who are the final messages' receipients. Johannes Tek Support schrieb: Jake, I'll try changing it to bounce and I'll get back to you. But doesn't the bounce create more traffic? What I've thought happens is that we get the original spam for a non-valid account, we send out a bounce, and then that bounce gets bounced back to us because the sender didn't really exist. I know that somewhere the bounce gets stopped, but is it after I've sent mine, or is it after they've sent their bounce? Kind of seems like a waste of bandwidth and resources if 2 bounces get sent, or even if I'm bouncing to a non-valid original sender. As for the wiki instructions - I have mis-understood them. It says to use [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as the recipient. It seemed to me that this meant I could send it to anyone even a user on the same domain. It might be helpful to say what you told me here, do not use a valid domain for the recipient or something like that as I never would have understood that from just the example. And are there any instructions or suggestions on viewing this new non-valid Inbox from sqmail or some other reader - so I can validate whats going on since the [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain doesn't really exist? Perhaps sqmail will let me login as that user since it has the domain and user in vpopmail? I'll try that too. Thanks John On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Jake Vickers[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tek Support wrote: I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- It will accept email for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete messages to unknown users this way. Try changing it to bounce and see if that eliminates your problem. 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Then the instructions are wrong. If you're talking about the wiki, I'll change them. You need to create a new domain on the machine - it does not have to be a real domain. It could be a fake domain called tap.mydomain.com, and you send the emails to an address at the fake domain. This will stop the circular loop you've got. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hostedhttp://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |- | weberhofer GmbH | Johannes Weberhofer | information technologies | Austria, 1080 Wien, Blindengasse 52/3 |--- - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
chun keat wrote: HI, I currently running a Qmail Toaster, installed using the srpm, recently my IT director want to keep track all email that gone through our email system. May I know how can I enable this? I only get the solution if install using the Tar format. Can some one help me on this. Thanks. Use taps. There's instructions on the wiki (wiki.qmailtoaster.com) - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Hi all, I've installed the taps logging into my system and it's obvious to me that we are getting a copy of every email that comes to our server even though the recipient doesn't exist. I've viewed the information on the toaster and inter7, but I don't see any way to either block spam or log emails only for valid recipients. -- Example header of non-valid local recipient stored into TAPS -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 4886 invoked by uid 89); 16 Sep 2008 15:01:16 - Received: from unknown (HELO 20129159020.user.veloxzone.com.br) (201.29.159.20) by mail.mydomain.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 15:01:10 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: =?windows-1251?B?QWRhbiBCYW5rcw==?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: =?windows-1251?B?Q2FuYWRpYW4gUGhhcm1hY3k6IFZpYWdyYSwgQ2lhbGlzIGFuZCBtb3JlLi4u?= Date: Tue, 16 Sep 3609 12:05:24 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 -- End Header -- 'kirkjh' does not exist, anyone have any ideas how to only log for valid recipients? I realize I could enter each unique email address into my taps control file and maybe that would solve it, but I would prefer to keep my control/taps file set for the whole domain instead of entering each user seperately - as I know I'll forget to add one or remove somone as they get hired or fired. So is there a way to keep the control file as is and only log valid recipients? -- Current Taps Control File -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End-- Thanks John - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
Tek Support wrote: Hi all, I've installed the taps logging into my system and it's obvious to me that we are getting a copy of every email that comes to our server even though the recipient doesn't exist. I've viewed the information on the toaster and inter7, but I don't see any way to either block spam or log emails only for valid recipients. Do you have it set to bounce/delete for your catchall, or is there an account that is set as the catchall? -- Current Taps Control File -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End-- Don't do this - it creates an endless loop for the tap - it taps everything for mydomain.com, so when it sends the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it then has to tap that, so that tap gets a tap, and then that tap gets a tap, etc. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] : Keep a copy of send and received email for whole domain
I have a few questions in answering your suggestions. 1) In qmailadmin there is such a thing as a catchall, but I don't have any catchall setup as such. 2) My .qmail-default covers this account and it says delete. --.qmail-default-- | /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' delete --end-- 3) You said don't do this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But in the instructions it says to do exactly that. If I don't do that, then what am I supposed to do? Thanks John On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tek Support wrote: Hi all, I've installed the taps logging into my system and it's obvious to me that we are getting a copy of every email that comes to our server even though the recipient doesn't exist. I've viewed the information on the toaster and inter7, but I don't see any way to either block spam or log emails only for valid recipients. Do you have it set to bounce/delete for your catchall, or is there an account that is set as the catchall? -- Current Taps Control File -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End-- Don't do this - it creates an endless loop for the tap - it taps everything for mydomain.com, so when it sends the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it then has to tap that, so that tap gets a tap, and then that tap gets a tap, etc. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
