RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure
TIM, MINE IS EXACTLY LIKE YOU--AND I HAD BEEN RUNNING 60/40 AFTER GETTING UP..MY DOC PUT ME ON THE SAME MED AS YOU, GLAD TO HERE WE ARE SIMILAR ON THAT AND IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR YOU. DAN H. --- On Sat, 4/18/09, t crook wrote: From: t crook Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, ddh...@sbcglobal.net, "Danny Espinoza" Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:50 AM Well it depends if your BP of 130/70 is sitting up; that blood pressure is fine, but is that a supine (lying down) BP? With me I have orthostatic hypo-tension; which means that my pressure drops when I am sitting. I was getting down to 60/40 and sometimes a little lower; now my pressure runs near the normal 120/80, unless I am dehydrated. Tim --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, ddh...@sbcglobal.net Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:57 AM what in your opinion is a low and high blood pressure for us? When im UTI free and healty mine stays around 130/70. When I get a UTI it drops a good ammount... Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:25 AM To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; Danny Espinoza; ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure Yes I take one a day; it helps the Midodrine do it's job better, thus maintaining a normal blood pressure. I have always had low blood pressure (orthostatic hypo-tension); but with my muscle atrophy over the years the vascular system just doesn't work as it should, so I had more lows. As we all should know- blood pressure high or low is bad; highs we can stroke and lows we can do damage to our organs, and both are hard on the heart. I was fatigued so much with the lows that I didn't have any energy, now I feel better than I have in years. Tim WhoopieKat.com --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" , onemofor...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:37 AM TIM, DO YOU TAKE FLUDROCORTISONE EVERY DAY FOR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE MY DOCTOR PUT ME ON THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID TAKE ONE EACH DAYSO FAR I ONLY TAKE IT WHEN MY BLOOD PRESSURE HAS BEEN REAL LOW. DAN*** --- On Fri, 4/17/09, t crook wrote: From: t crook Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:54 AM Like I said- it may not work for everyone; and look at the side effects of your meds and how alcohol may effect them. I take fludrocortisone and midodrine for low blood pressure; I am told by my doctor (and pharmacists) that a couple of beers will not effect me and my low blood pressure meds. However- I do take diazepam PRN for sever spasms; or for a good nights rest, however, diazepam (all narcotics) and alcohol do not mix. Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, wheelch...@aol.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me
RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure
Well it depends if your BP of 130/70 is sitting up; that blood pressure is fine, but is that a supine (lying down) BP? With me I have orthostatic hypo-tension; which means that my pressure drops when I am sitting. I was getting down to 60/40 and sometimes a little lower; now my pressure runs near the normal 120/80, unless I am dehydrated. Tim --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, ddh...@sbcglobal.net Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 12:57 AM what in your opinion is a low and high blood pressure for us? When im UTI free and healty mine stays around 130/70. When I get a UTI it drops a good ammount... Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:25 AM To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; Danny Espinoza; ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure Yes I take one a day; it helps the Midodrine do it's job better, thus maintaining a normal blood pressure. I have always had low blood pressure (orthostatic hypo-tension); but with my muscle atrophy over the years the vascular system just doesn't work as it should, so I had more lows. As we all should know- blood pressure high or low is bad; highs we can stroke and lows we can do damage to our organs, and both are hard on the heart. I was fatigued so much with the lows that I didn't have any energy, now I feel better than I have in years. Tim WhoopieKat.com --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" , onemofor...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:37 AM TIM, DO YOU TAKE FLUDROCORTISONE EVERY DAY FOR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE MY DOCTOR PUT ME ON THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID TAKE ONE EACH DAYSO FAR I ONLY TAKE IT WHEN MY BLOOD PRESSURE HAS BEEN REAL LOW. DAN*** --- On Fri, 4/17/09, t crook wrote: From: t crook Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:54 AM Like I said- it may not work for everyone; and look at the side effects of your meds and how alcohol may effect them. I take fludrocortisone and midodrine for low blood pressure; I am told by my doctor (and pharmacists) that a couple of beers will not effect me and my low blood pressure meds. However- I do take diazepam PRN for sever spasms; or for a good nights rest, however, diazepam (all narcotics) and alcohol do not mix. Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, wheelch...@aol.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink d
RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure
what in your opinion is a low and high blood pressure for us? When im UTI free and healty mine stays around 130/70. When I get a UTI it drops a good ammount... Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - <http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx> http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - <http://spinalcordinjured.net/> http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:25 AM To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; Danny Espinoza; ddh...@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure Yes I take one a day; it helps the Midodrine do it's job better, thus maintaining a normal blood pressure. I have always had low blood pressure (orthostatic hypo-tension); but with my muscle atrophy over the years the vascular system just doesn't work as it should, so I had more lows. As we all should know- blood pressure high or low is bad; highs we can stroke and lows we can do damage to our organs, and both are hard on the heart. I was fatigued so much with the lows that I didn't have any energy, now I feel better than I have in years. Tim <http://www.whoopiekat.com/> WhoopieKat.com --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" , onemofor...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:37 AM TIM, DO YOU TAKE FLUDROCORTISONE EVERY DAY FOR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE MY DOCTOR PUT ME ON THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID TAKE ONE EACH DAYSO FAR I ONLY TAKE IT WHEN MY BLOOD PRESSURE HAS BEEN REAL LOW. DAN*** --- On Fri, 4/17/09, t crook wrote: From: t crook Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:54 AM Like I said- it may not work for everyone; and look at the side effects of your meds and how alcohol may effect them. I take fludrocortisone and midodrine for low blood pressure; I am told by my doctor (and pharmacists) that a couple of beers will not effect me and my low blood pressure meds. However- I do take diazepam PRN for sever spasms; or for a good nights rest, however, diazepam (all narcotics) and alcohol do not mix. Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom <http://www.whoopiekat.com/> WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, wheelch...@aol.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - <http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx> http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - <http://spinalcordinjured.net/> http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I sti
Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping
Yes I have been lucky with the bladder and kidneys; but what works for some may not work for others. We as quads are like snow flakes- we are all different in some unique way. Tim WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Candle wrote: From: Candle Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 5:03 PM With my medication, I cannot drink any alcohol. I wasn't a drinker, so I don't miss it, but I could not imagine alcohol with my meds. The doctor explained that they combination can increase the risk of stroke and some combinations can make people fall into a coma. I think it is great that you found something that works for you, though. Candle A sad soul can kill you quicker than a germ.~John Steinbeck * From: t crook To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:51:25 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/9/09, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alcibiat...@yahoo.com writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3 to 6 months to train the bladder, but is it even attempted? I remember several people in the 80's using electrodes to train their bladder to empty fully. I haven't heard any of the younger quads that have any idea what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone goes right to an SP. then they experience chronic infections that diminish the efficasy of anti-biotics when they get other infections. The other thing I've noticed is so many take anti-biotics and I'm hoping they are replacing the good bacteria. A lot of the side effects of anti-biotics do not occur if you replace the good bacteria that was just wiped by the medicine. In studies, a healthy colony of good bacteria keep the bad bacteria in check by consuming the food supply the pseudomonas and staph bacteria need to grow. This includes MRSA. There is nothing new about fighting bad bacteria with benificial bacteria, and it is even bein
RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping/blood pressure
Yes I take one a day; it helps the Midodrine do it's job better, thus maintaining a normal blood pressure. I have always had low blood pressure (orthostatic hypo-tension); but with my muscle atrophy over the years the vascular system just doesn't work as it should, so I had more lows. As we all should know- blood pressure high or low is bad; highs we can stroke and lows we can do damage to our organs, and both are hard on the heart. I was fatigued so much with the lows that I didn't have any energy, now I feel better than I have in years. Tim WhoopieKat.com --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Danny Hearn wrote: From: Danny Hearn Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" , onemofor...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:37 AM TIM, DO YOU TAKE FLUDROCORTISONE EVERY DAY FOR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE MY DOCTOR PUT ME ON THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID TAKE ONE EACH DAYSO FAR I ONLY TAKE IT WHEN MY BLOOD PRESSURE HAS BEEN REAL LOW. DAN*** --- On Fri, 4/17/09, t crook wrote: From: t crook Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:54 AM Like I said- it may not work for everyone; and look at the side effects of your meds and how alcohol may effect them. I take fludrocortisone and midodrine for low blood pressure; I am told by my doctor (and pharmacists) that a couple of beers will not effect me and my low blood pressure meds. However- I do take diazepam PRN for sever spasms; or for a good nights rest, however, diazepam (all narcotics) and alcohol do not mix. Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, wheelch...@aol.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/9/09, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void mo
RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping
TIM, DO YOU TAKE FLUDROCORTISONE EVERY DAY FOR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE MY DOCTOR PUT ME ON THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND SAID TAKE ONE EACH DAYSO FAR I ONLY TAKE IT WHEN MY BLOOD PRESSURE HAS BEEN REAL LOW. DAN*** --- On Fri, 4/17/09, t crook wrote: From: t crook Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, "Danny Espinoza" Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 7:54 AM Like I said- it may not work for everyone; and look at the side effects of your meds and how alcohol may effect them. I take fludrocortisone and midodrine for low blood pressure; I am told by my doctor (and pharmacists) that a couple of beers will not effect me and my low blood pressure meds. However- I do take diazepam PRN for sever spasms; or for a good nights rest, however, diazepam (all narcotics) and alcohol do not mix. Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, wheelch...@aol.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/9/09, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alcibiat...@yahoo.com writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3
RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping
Like I said- it may not work for everyone; and look at the side effects of your meds and how alcohol may effect them. I take fludrocortisone and midodrine for low blood pressure; I am told by my doctor (and pharmacists) that a couple of beers will not effect me and my low blood pressure meds. However- I do take diazepam PRN for sever spasms; or for a good nights rest, however, diazepam (all narcotics) and alcohol do not mix. Tim c5-c6 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Danny Espinoza wrote: From: Danny Espinoza Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: onemofor...@yahoo.com, alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com, wheelch...@aol.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 12:41 PM Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/9/09, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alcibiat...@yahoo.com writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3 to 6 months to train the bladder, but is it even attempted? I remember several people in the 80's using electrodes to train their bladder to empty fully. I haven't heard any of the younger quads that have any idea what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone goes right to an SP. then they experience chronic infections that diminish the efficasy of anti-biotics when they get other infections. The other thing I've n
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Interesting.. I personally don't like most beers, but I will have to keep that in mind and maybe try it one day Danny Espinoza 26/m/California Occupation before accident Network engineer / SR. Network security engineer What happened: Broke c2,c6,c7 with doner bone at c2 Traumatic brain injury from blood going to central cortex from spinal cord not vent dependendent anymore. :] My myspace address - <http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx> http://www.myspace.com/dannylnx My spinal cord injury support website - <http://spinalcordinjured.net/> http://spinalcordinjured.net/ From: t crook [mailto:onemofor...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:51 AM To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com; QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com; wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com <http://www.whoopiekat.com/> --- On Thu, 4/9/09, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alcibiat...@yahoo.com writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3 to 6 months to train the bladder, but is it even attempted? I remember several people in the 80's using electrodes to train their bladder to empty fully. I haven't heard any of the younger quads that have any idea what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone goes right to an SP. then they experience chronic infections that diminish the efficasy of anti-biotics when they get other infections. The other thing I've noticed is so many take anti-biotics and I'm hoping they are replacing the good bacteria. A lot of the side effects of anti-biotics do not occur if you replace the good bacteria that was just wiped by the medicine. In studies, a healthy colony of good bacteria keep the bad bacteria in check by consuming the food supply the pseudomonas and staph bacteria need to grow. This includes MRSA. There is nothing new about fighting bad bacteria with benificial bacteria, and it is even being sold as a daily health drink. A lot of health food stores have much more potent forms to take for chronic infections. Best Wishes, john
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Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/9/09, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: From: wheelch...@aol.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: alcibiat...@yahoo.com, QUAD-LIST@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alcibiat...@yahoo.com writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3 to 6 months to train the bladder, but is it even attempted? I remember several people in the 80's using electrodes to train their bladder to empty fully. I haven't heard any of the younger quads that have any idea what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone goes right to an SP. then they experience chronic infections that diminish the efficasy of anti-biotics when they get other infections. The other thing I've noticed is so many take anti-biotics and I'm hoping they are replacing the good bacteria. A lot of the side effects of anti-biotics do not occur if you replace the good bacteria that was just wiped by the medicine. In studies, a healthy colony of good bacteria keep the bad bacteria in check by consuming the food supply the pseudomonas and staph bacteria need to grow. This includes MRSA. There is nothing new about fighting bad bacteria with benificial bacteria, and it is even being sold as a daily health drink. A lot of health food stores have much more potent forms to take for chronic infections. Best Wishes, john Yeah, the guy with a runaway skin infection from a frickin' spider bite. I haven't had this much medicine since I had pneumonia in '94. New Deals on Dell Netbooks - Now starting at $299
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Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alcibiat...@yahoo.com writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3 to 6 months to train the bladder, but is it even attempted? I remember several people in the 80's using electrodes to train their bladder to empty fully. I haven't heard any of the younger quads that have any idea what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone goes right to an SP. then they experience chronic infections that diminish the efficasy of anti-biotics when they get other infections. The other thing I've noticed is so many take anti-biotics and I'm hoping they are replacing the good bacteria. A lot of the side effects of anti-biotics do not occur if you replace the good bacteria that was just wiped by the medicine. In studies, a healthy colony of good bacteria keep the bad bacteria in check by consuming the food supply the pseudomonas and staph bacteria need to grow. This includes MRSA. There is nothing new about fighting bad bacteria with benificial bacteria, and it is even being sold as a daily health drink. A lot of health food stores have much more potent forms to take for chronic infections. Best Wishes, john Yeah, the guy with a runaway skin infection from a frickin' spider bite. I haven't had this much medicine since I had pneumonia in '94. **New Deals on Dell Netbooks – Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635155x1201407495/aol?redir=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw)
