Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt
I use an M 300 with the corpus seating system. If you are using a corpus, it shouldn't take more than a couple of seconds to move from one position to another. Half a minute to tilt back? Absolutely unacceptable On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 1:56 PM, John S. alcibiat...@yahoo.com wrote: I think I heard the Permobil offers different gearing systems. they may have replace yours with a lower gear. that could explain the reason why your tilt mechanism take so long to raise you up and lower back. I haven't a clue as to where you find the serial number on it. Best wishes, John s Original message From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com Date:03/24/2015 12:28 PM (GMT-05:00) To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt Does anybody happen to know exactly where to find the serial number on a permobil? I'm sure it's somewhere in the paperwork, heck… If you know where I left that I'd appreciate it as well. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: Consider calling Permobil in Tennessee at 800-736-0925. Make sure you have your serial number available when you talk with Tech Services.28 seconds sounds slow to me. Tilt actuators operate off of 24 volts and to the best of my knowledge are not adjustable in time cycle. Your actuator could be binding. The push arms on actuators are not lubed as lube attracts dirt and moisture. Was yours replaced or repaired? Best Wishes In a message dated 3/22/2015 8:02:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, quad...@gmail.com writes: Is there anyone on the list to has a C350? If so, how long does it take you to tilt back. I recently had my tilt mechanism service and it sounds completely different hand is running so slow that I'm having difficulty with it. It takes me 28 seconds to go from the lowest position to the for this position back. Would love to hear what your experiences are. Quadius
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt
Does anybody happen to know exactly where to find the serial number on a permobil? I'm sure it's somewhere in the paperwork, heck… If you know where I left that I'd appreciate it as well. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: Consider calling Permobil in Tennessee at 800-736-0925. Make sure you have your serial number available when you talk with Tech Services.28 seconds sounds slow to me. Tilt actuators operate off of 24 volts and to the best of my knowledge are not adjustable in time cycle. Your actuator could be binding. The push arms on actuators are not lubed as lube attracts dirt and moisture. Was yours replaced or repaired? Best Wishes In a message dated 3/22/2015 8:02:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, quad...@gmail.com writes: Is there anyone on the list to has a C350? If so, how long does it take you to tilt back. I recently had my tilt mechanism service and it sounds completely different hand is running so slow that I'm having difficulty with it. It takes me 28 seconds to go from the lowest position to the for this position back. Would love to hear what your experiences are. Quadius
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt
You can call them and find out for sure. It would also be on the cover of the owner's manual. Best Wishes In a message dated 3/24/2015 11:29:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, swl...@gmail.com writes: Does anybody happen to know exactly where to find the serial number on a permobil? I'm sure it's somewhere in the paperwork, heck… If you know where I left that I'd appreciate it as well. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM, _wheelchair@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) wrote: Consider calling Permobil in Tennessee at _800-736-0925_ (tel:800-736-0925) . Make sure you have your serial number available when you talk with Tech Services.28 seconds sounds slow to me. Tilt actuators operate off of 24 volts and to the best of my knowledge are not adjustable in time cycle. Your actuator could be binding. The push arms on actuators are not lubed as lube attracts dirt and moisture. Was yours replaced or repaired? Best Wishes In a message dated 3/22/2015 8:02:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _quadius@gmail.com_ (mailto:quad...@gmail.com) writes: Is there anyone on the list to has a C350? If so, how long does it take you to tilt back. I recently had my tilt mechanism service and it sounds completely different hand is running so slow that I'm having difficulty with it. It takes me 28 seconds to go from the lowest position to the for this position back. Would love to hear what your experiences are. Quadius
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt
I think I heard the Permobil offers different gearing systems. they may have replace yours with a lower gear. that could explain the reason why your tilt mechanism take so long to raise you up and lower back. I haven't a clue as to where you find the serial number on it. Best wishes, John s div Original message /divdivFrom: Fragile swl...@gmail.com /divdivDate:03/24/2015 12:28 PM (GMT-05:00) /divdivTo: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com /divdivCc: /divdivSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt /divdiv /divDoes anybody happen to know exactly where to find the serial number on a permobil? I'm sure it's somewhere in the paperwork, heck… If you know where I left that I'd appreciate it as well. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:31 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wrote: Consider calling Permobil in Tennessee at 800-736-0925. Make sure you have your serial number available when you talk with Tech Services.28 seconds sounds slow to me. Tilt actuators operate off of 24 volts and to the best of my knowledge are not adjustable in time cycle. Your actuator could be binding. The push arms on actuators are not lubed as lube attracts dirt and moisture. Was yours replaced or repaired? Best Wishes In a message dated 3/22/2015 8:02:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, quad...@gmail.com writes: Is there anyone on the list to has a C350? If so, how long does it take you to tilt back. I recently had my tilt mechanism service and it sounds completely different hand is running so slow that I'm having difficulty with it. It takes me 28 seconds to go from the lowest position to the for this position back. Would love to hear what your experiences are. Quadius
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil c350 tilt
Consider calling Permobil in Tennessee at 800-736-0925. Make sure you have your serial number available when you talk with Tech Services.28 seconds sounds slow to me. Tilt actuators operate off of 24 volts and to the best of my knowledge are not adjustable in time cycle. Your actuator could be binding. The push arms on actuators are not lubed as lube attracts dirt and moisture. Was yours replaced or repaired? Best Wishes In a message dated 3/22/2015 8:02:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, quad...@gmail.com writes: Is there anyone on the list to has a C350? If so, how long does it take you to tilt back. I recently had my tilt mechanism service and it sounds completely different hand is running so slow that I'm having difficulty with it. It takes me 28 seconds to go from the lowest position to the for this position back. Would love to hear what your experiences are. Quadius
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
please understand there;'s alot more than just matching a bracket to a 'chair and magically everything works-that's in a perfect world. sometimes the bolt will hang you up on door thresholds, on the tops/bottoms of ramps, may interfere with other items in your environment. could hang you up getting into/out of the minivan ramp. the permobil does have a close ground clearance. work with your local mobility dealer and 'chair vendor and check your environment out and you should be ok. tom c. From: ppac...@comcast.net ppac...@comcast.net To: Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com Cc: Don Smith scamper2...@att.net; Fragile swl...@gmail.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil You simply go to EZ-LOCK webpage and match your chair with a bracket. Thank you! Paul From: Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com To: Don Smith scamper2...@att.net, Fragile swl...@gmail.com, ppac...@comcast.net, quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:49:36 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil I know two people who had terrible experiences with Permobil chairs and service. Truly nightmare experiences. But, I know quite a few more people who have had positive experiences and love their Permobils. I test drove a Permobil a few years back and really liked it. Unfortunately, it was too big to fit in the driving area of my minivan. If I remember right they also didn't have an EZ-Lock bracket available for the chair. Anyone know? Can Permobil's now be equipped for an EZ-Lock? Or do they use their own lock-down system? It's a Swedish company. Don. From: Don Smith scamper2...@att.net To: Fragile swl...@gmail.com; ppac...@comcast.net ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil Back in Feb. I had a permobil m300 mid wheel drive demo to try out for a day. I took the chair out on my regular daily usage, it was great, I'm a lefty and it was set up for a right hand driver but I had no issues. The turning radius is much better then a rear wheel drive chair (I have a quickie p300 built in 1999) My insurance only covers 80% of the cost so I'm trying to raise $3500.00 for my share. Don From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com To: ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil I got a permobil m300 last december, it's been good so far. Seems to be more heavy duty than previous chairs, but that also means more weight. Gel filled tires, no flats. The back cushion is comfortable. Controls for the seating system could be a little more quad friendly. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
let me know if you're still interested in feedback on this particular chair. I have one and I can tell you some of the negative and positive things about it. Quadius please forgive errors, I am dictating rather quickly now. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:50 PM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
I know two people who had terrible experiences with Permobil chairs and service. Truly nightmare experiences. But, I know quite a few more people who have had positive experiences and love their Permobils. I test drove a Permobil a few years back and really liked it. Unfortunately, it was too big to fit in the driving area of my minivan. If I remember right they also didn't have an EZ-Lock bracket available for the chair. Anyone know? Can Permobil's now be equipped for an EZ-Lock? Or do they use their own lock-down system? It's a Swedish company. Don. From: Don Smith scamper2...@att.net To: Fragile swl...@gmail.com; ppac...@comcast.net ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil Back in Feb. I had a permobil m300 mid wheel drive demo to try out for a day. I took the chair out on my regular daily usage, it was great, I'm a lefty and it was set up for a right hand driver but I had no issues. The turning radius is much better then a rear wheel drive chair (I have a quickie p300 built in 1999) My insurance only covers 80% of the cost so I'm trying to raise $3500.00 for my share. Don From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com To: ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil I got a permobil m300 last december, it's been good so far. Seems to be more heavy duty than previous chairs, but that also means more weight. Gel filled tires, no flats. The back cushion is comfortable. Controls for the seating system could be a little more quad friendly. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
they have their own driver lockdown and passenger lockdown. some ezlock's work depending alot on the permobil, ground clearance, 'chair specialities, etc. their lockdown also requires their detachable seatbase. your mobility dealer should know all about it but get all costs before agreeing to it-it is somewhat complicated. involve a CDRS and the permobil rep to avoid snafus tom c. From: Don Price donpric...@yahoo.com To: Don Smith scamper2...@att.net; Fragile swl...@gmail.com; ppac...@comcast.net ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil I know two people who had terrible experiences with Permobil chairs and service. Truly nightmare experiences. But, I know quite a few more people who have had positive experiences and love their Permobils. I test drove a Permobil a few years back and really liked it. Unfortunately, it was too big to fit in the driving area of my minivan. If I remember right they also didn't have an EZ-Lock bracket available for the chair. Anyone know? Can Permobil's now be equipped for an EZ-Lock? Or do they use their own lock-down system? It's a Swedish company. Don. From: Don Smith scamper2...@att.net To: Fragile swl...@gmail.com; ppac...@comcast.net ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil Back in Feb. I had a permobil m300 mid wheel drive demo to try out for a day. I took the chair out on my regular daily usage, it was great, I'm a lefty and it was set up for a right hand driver but I had no issues. The turning radius is much better then a rear wheel drive chair (I have a quickie p300 built in 1999) My insurance only covers 80% of the cost so I'm trying to raise $3500.00 for my share. Don From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com To: ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil I got a permobil m300 last december, it's been good so far. Seems to be more heavy duty than previous chairs, but that also means more weight. Gel filled tires, no flats. The back cushion is comfortable. Controls for the seating system could be a little more quad friendly. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
Back in Feb. I had a permobil m300 mid wheel drive demo to try out for a day. I took the chair out on my regular daily usage, it was great, I'm a lefty and it was set up for a right hand driver but I had no issues. The turning radius is much better then a rear wheel drive chair (I have a quickie p300 built in 1999) My insurance only covers 80% of the cost so I'm trying to raise $3500.00 for my share. Don From: Fragile swl...@gmail.com To: ppac...@comcast.net; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil I got a permobil m300 last december, it's been good so far. Seems to be more heavy duty than previous chairs, but that also means more weight. Gel filled tires, no flats. The back cushion is comfortable. Controls for the seating system could be a little more quad friendly. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
I got a permobil m300 last december, it's been good so far. Seems to be more heavy duty than previous chairs, but that also means more weight. Gel filled tires, no flats. The back cushion is comfortable. Controls for the seating system could be a little more quad friendly. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] permobil
I think that's what it is about the permobil, it's the back. It is the most comfortable wheelchair back I've sat in. I have seen some that look very comfortable, but I never sat on them. Greg I got a permobil m300 last december, it's been good so far. Seems to be more heavy duty than previous chairs, but that also means more weight. Gel filled tires, no flats. The back cushion is comfortable. Controls for the seating system could be a little more quad friendly. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, ppac...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, I cut my e-mail short earlier.I am looking at purchasing a Permobil Corpus 350.I sat in one yesterday and it felt so comfortable.I am getting tilt/recline and elevating seat with elevating leg-rests.Does anyone have any experience with Permobil wheelchairs? Could you share your opinions concerning the chair? Thank you and keep on rolling and smiling! Paul
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare
i'll attempt to chime in w/ my opinion. full-size van i was caught dangling because the 'flaps' didn't pop up...yep, sucked...minivan, i've had 2 entervans guess what my next 1 will be? (Don't u guys love gmail?) Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: quad-list Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:54 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I forgot to post this to the list. Just in case, or perhaps, others want to chime in or have been or will be in the same or similar dilemmas. -- Forwarded message -- From: Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare To: Quadius quad...@gmail.com POWER WHEELCHAIRS, NEW VANS, and I'M GROWING!!! ** Yesterday, when my DEMO INVACARE TDX was still in the house... my husband measured the seat pan to floor distance for the Invacare TDX and it is about an inch lower than my current 12-year-old Permobile Chairman. Like Quadius, when my van rocks back and forth for any reason... I also will/can get my eyebrow area on the felt-like material of the indoor roof of my minivan. Not to mention not being able to easily get under tables in restaurants and home. So that inch might make a world of difference... or not. Tough call. ** Here's an interesting tidbit of information: Since I have pretty much been bedridden over the last year and a half (because of my wound) ... the times that I HAVE had to get into my van to go to the Wound Care or other places ... every time I go to get into my van it seems like I have to bend my head down/forward further and farther each time. Then, after I am in my van as a passenger... it seems like I keep sitting taller and taller and taller. MAKING NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. But when I went for my seating evaluation not long ago I mentioned this to the Occupational Therapist and I think she figured out what/is was happening. While I was used to sitting up in my chair for at least 7 hours every day ... the spine or vertebrae are usually compressed little by little over time (making me sit a little shorter). But having to be in bed 99.99% of the time over the last year + that much time does not allow for any vertebrae compression. So ALMOST the reverse has been happening over the last year! My upper torso probably has been growing! :-) To make it worse, I am always been pulled up (at least once a day) in bed because I easily slide down in the bed on my rotating air mattress during the day. So that stretches my upper torso as well. I don't think I would have ever thought of that! ** And since my van is almost 13 years old (Braun Enter Van - Dodge) ... it is also time for me to look for another van (for reasons of my own). So I have had a minivan for the last 12 1/2 years. Before that I had 3 full-size vans since my injury 31 years ago. That is a whole other story/dilemma -- to stay with a minivan with all of its pros and cons or go back to a full-size van with all of its pros and cons. DECISIONS, DECISIONS!!! Since I have had both and already know the pros and cons... it does not make the choice any easier! Especially when choosing a new chair AT THE SAME TIME. One would think that might be easier but it's not. Are we twins Quadius? grin Lori C 4/5 Complete Quad, 31 years post Tucson Arizona On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with all the limitations which Lori has adequately highlighted. I might mention that my Permobile also tends to bounce around in my van a little that I would like. In fact, I got a C. 350 so the seat to floor distance would be lower, but I am still about a half-inch from the top of my Uplander. My problem is that when someone takes a turn too quickly to the left or a speed bump I risk hitting my head against the side molding. Now I'm thinking about whether I might need to think about another van. Quadius On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely the dealer should have gotten in trouble and made it right! What you said made me remember WHEN, in January of 1999, I got my Permobile. It took forever for the dealer to make the chair right for me after it was delivered. THEN, the first time I needed new batteries (X-number of years later) we found out that the dealer who sold me my chair had taken out the gel cell batteries that the chair was SUPPOSED TO come with and replaced them with acid, deep cell batteries! By then, we had moved from New York State so we found out we got screwed too late. We think they stripped the chair of what they could and I got the runt of the litter. Also, I remember that the dealer or Permobile (can't remember now nearly 14 years later) let me try out a chair for a week in early 1997 and the chair I tried out easily slid under
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare
As always, remember the value of your signature. Don't accept, don't sign until all is done properly. Your valued signature is what gets the company its money. No signature, no money. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/9/2010 7:16:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, lorilivin...@gmail.com writes: Absolutely the dealer should have gotten in trouble and made it right! What you said made me remember WHEN, in January of 1999, I got my Permobile. It took forever for the dealer to make the chair right for me after it was delivered. THEN, the first time I needed new batteries (X-number of years later) we found out that the dealer who sold me my chair had taken out the gel cell batteries that the chair was SUPPOSED TO come with and replaced them with acid, deep cell batteries! By then, we had moved from New York State so we found out we got screwed too late. We think they stripped the chair of what they could and I got the runt of the litter. Also, I remember that the dealer or Permobile (can't remember now nearly 14 years later) let me try out a chair for a week in early 1997 and the chair I tried out easily slid under tables and had a comfortable back, etc. but I did not make my FINAL DECISION to choose a Permobile until the middle of 1998 and it arrived in January of 1999. Looking back NOW, I can see that the chair I tried out for a week and the chair that I FINALLY GOT WERE NOT one and the same. I now understand why seating evaluations BEFORE HAND need to occur!!! And constantly following up with the dealer TO MAKE SURE everything is kosher before all is said and done. Lori On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:13 AM, _daa...@aol.com_ (mailto:daa...@aol.com) wrote: II really liked my Chairman 2K but my dealer sold me a C. 300 and I don't like it at all. The C. 500 is the same as the Chairman 2K. He did not tell me this until 6 months after I had the chair. I told him I wanted the same chair. The company would not do anything nor would Permobile . They said it was too late. The dealer was United Seating and Mobility (previously Apria) I got the Chairman 2K through Apria.. The dealer should have gotten in trouble and they should have made it right. Dana in a message dated 11/8/2010 5:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) writes: Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: _msm...@pridemobility.com_ (mailto:msm...@pridemobility.com) Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Derrick_ (mailto:whe...@cvn.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare
I agree with all the limitations which Lori has adequately highlighted. I might mention that my Permobile also tends to bounce around in my van a little that I would like. In fact, I got a C. 350 so the seat to floor distance would be lower, but I am still about a half-inch from the top of my Uplander. My problem is that when someone takes a turn too quickly to the left or a speed bump I risk hitting my head against the side molding. Now I'm thinking about whether I might need to think about another van. Quadius On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.comwrote: Absolutely the dealer should have gotten in trouble and made it right! What you said made me remember WHEN, in January of 1999, I got my Permobile. It took forever for the dealer to make the chair right for me after it was delivered. THEN, the first time I needed new batteries (X-number of years later) we found out that the dealer who sold me my chair had taken out the gel cell batteries that the chair was SUPPOSED TO come with and replaced them with acid, deep cell batteries! By then, we had moved from New York State so we found out we got screwed too late. We think they stripped the chair of what they could and I got the runt of the litter. Also, I remember that the dealer or Permobile (can't remember now nearly 14 years later) let me *try out a chair* for a week in early 1997 and the chair I tried out easily slid under tables and had a comfortable back, etc. but I did not make my FINAL DECISION to choose a Permobile until the middle of 1998 and it arrived in January of 1999. Looking back NOW, I can see that the chair I tried out for a week and the chair that I FINALLY GOT WERE NOT one and the same. I now understand why seating evaluations BEFORE HAND need to occur!!! And constantly following up with the dealer TO MAKE SURE everything is kosher before all is said and done. Lori On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:13 AM, daa...@aol.com wrote: II really liked my Chairman 2K but my dealer sold me a C. 300 and I don't like it at all. The C. 500 is the same as the Chairman 2K. He did not tell me this until 6 months after I had the chair. I told him I wanted the same chair. The company would not do anything nor would Permobile . They said it was too late. The dealer was United Seating and Mobility (previously Apria) I got the Chairman 2K through Apria.. The dealer should have gotten in trouble and they should have made it right. Dana in a message dated 11/8/2010 5:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: msm...@pridemobility.com Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - *From:* Derrick whe...@cvn.net *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare
Oh, I thought you mentioned that you were getting a Quantum by Pride. Mark sends out lil presents with the order if you ask ahead of time. If not, that's ok too. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 5:24:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: confused here...need 2 correspond w/ Mark why? Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) To: _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) ; _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: _msm...@pridemobility.com_ (mailto:msm...@pridemobility.com) Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Derrick_ (mailto:whe...@cvn.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message
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Absolutely the dealer should have gotten in trouble and made it right! What you said made me remember WHEN, in January of 1999, I got my Permobile. It took forever for the dealer to make the chair right for me after it was delivered. THEN, the first time I needed new batteries (X-number of years later) we found out that the dealer who sold me my chair had taken out the gel cell batteries that the chair was SUPPOSED TO come with and replaced them with acid, deep cell batteries! By then, we had moved from New York State so we found out we got screwed too late. We think they stripped the chair of what they could and I got the runt of the litter. Also, I remember that the dealer or Permobile (can't remember now nearly 14 years later) let me *try out a chair* for a week in early 1997 and the chair I tried out easily slid under tables and had a comfortable back, etc. but I did not make my FINAL DECISION to choose a Permobile until the middle of 1998 and it arrived in January of 1999. Looking back NOW, I can see that the chair I tried out for a week and the chair that I FINALLY GOT WERE NOT one and the same. I now understand why seating evaluations BEFORE HAND need to occur!!! And constantly following up with the dealer TO MAKE SURE everything is kosher before all is said and done. Lori On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:13 AM, daa...@aol.com wrote: II really liked my Chairman 2K but my dealer sold me a C. 300 and I don't like it at all. The C. 500 is the same as the Chairman 2K. He did not tell me this until 6 months after I had the chair. I told him I wanted the same chair. The company would not do anything nor would Permobile . They said it was too late. The dealer was United Seating and Mobility (previously Apria) I got the Chairman 2K through Apria.. The dealer should have gotten in trouble and they should have made it right. Dana in a message dated 11/8/2010 5:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: msm...@pridemobility.com Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - *From:* Derrick whe...@cvn.net *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
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which is why i'm going local Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: daa...@aol.com ; quad-list Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare Absolutely the dealer should have gotten in trouble and made it right! What you said made me remember WHEN, in January of 1999, I got my Permobile. It took forever for the dealer to make the chair right for me after it was delivered. THEN, the first time I needed new batteries (X-number of years later) we found out that the dealer who sold me my chair had taken out the gel cell batteries that the chair was SUPPOSED TO come with and replaced them with acid, deep cell batteries! By then, we had moved from New York State so we found out we got screwed too late. We think they stripped the chair of what they could and I got the runt of the litter. Also, I remember that the dealer or Permobile (can't remember now nearly 14 years later) let me try out a chair for a week in early 1997 and the chair I tried out easily slid under tables and had a comfortable back, etc. but I did not make my FINAL DECISION to choose a Permobile until the middle of 1998 and it arrived in January of 1999. Looking back NOW, I can see that the chair I tried out for a week and the chair that I FINALLY GOT WERE NOT one and the same. I now understand why seating evaluations BEFORE HAND need to occur!!! And constantly following up with the dealer TO MAKE SURE everything is kosher before all is said and done. Lori On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:13 AM, daa...@aol.com wrote: II really liked my Chairman 2K but my dealer sold me a C. 300 and I don't like it at all. The C. 500 is the same as the Chairman 2K. He did not tell me this until 6 months after I had the chair. I told him I wanted the same chair. The company would not do anything nor would Permobile . They said it was too late. The dealer was United Seating and Mobility (previously Apria) I got the Chairman 2K through Apria.. The dealer should have gotten in trouble and they should have made it right. Dana in a message dated 11/8/2010 5:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: msm...@pridemobility.com Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Derrick To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
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Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Derrick To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message
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Well, I have been using the same *Permobile* *Chairman* of the last 12 years. So now it is finally time to look into other options. My biggest complaint with the *Permobile* is that it sits too high. I can't fit under most tables or, if I can, barely so. I don't drive but I can't see out my van Windows which makes for poor drives (scenic or otherwise). From the seat plate to the floor it is 18/2 inches (or close to 19 inches) and then I have my wheelchair cushion on top of that. Anyway, the *Invacare* chairs sit much lower so that is a plus. Actually, my *Permobile* has treated me very well over all these years. Which is good because they are made in Sweden and often times it will be very difficult to get parts (even though they have a branch in Tennessee). Fortunately, anything I have needed over the last 12 years... my vendor has easily been able to fix and therefore I have not had to go more then one day without my chair. According to my vendor, if I am looking for a new chair (which I am) then * Invacare* is probably the way to go because they had such a BIG VARIETY of options (seating, backing, controls, etc.) and getting parts for them is super easy compared to getting parts for a Permobile. I was also considering the *Quantum* 600 (made by Pride Mobility) but not so much now after my seating evaluation that was done a week ago today (Monday). There is nothing WRONG with going where they *Quantum* power chair ... it is just that my vendor is telling me that Invacare is better to go with for not only a huge amount of selections for seating and so much more as well as easily getting parts. However, he did say (for certain reasons I can't remember at the moment) that perhaps I might want to stay with getting another Permobile. My husband is in the process (as I write this) of taking a DEMO* INVARE FDX *wheelchair back to the vendor today. I didn't even get a chance to write here that my vendor got an Invacare FDX (latest model of the Invacare chairs) for me to be able to try out (over this last weekend) before making a final decision on what chair I do want. The *Invacare* *FDX* is Invacare's latest model that has many cool features. But when I first saw it on Friday, and over the weekend, it looks so Mickey Mouse compared to the chair I am using. It is definitely smaller and more compact. I easily fit into it ... it just looks so cheap. Anyway, my husband picked it up on Friday, brought it home, he was pretty sure that I would not be able to reach the joystick and the controls. Sure enough, when I got into it late Friday afternoon... I could NOT reached the joystick port controls am therefore I couldn't try it out all weekend! So that was a wasted trip on Friday and now he has to take it back today! What is really frustrating is that when he was down there on Friday and the representative was showing him everything on the wheelchair (how this feature and that feature works) my husband mentioned that It doesn't look like Lori will be able to reach the joystick or controls but the guy didn't say anything and did not respond. But what he DID say (after my husband said that I probably would not be able to reach the joystick or controls) was that They can't ALTER demos.* Well, what good is a DEMO if the person can't use it to try it out??? * Just another thing for my husband to have to do. And the vendor that we are going through isn't exactly close by (with traffic and everything it is probably 30 or 35 minutes). *UPDATE* - As I am writing this... my husband just called me from the vendor shop and told me that they are modifying the chair right now. So now he has to bring it back, I have to try it out again and OF ALL WEEKS this is an extremely busy one. So he has to worry about getting me in and out of that chair during the 3 or 4 hour four hour timeframe that I can be up (cuz of my wound area) as well as having to take it back to the vendor after I try it out x-number of days. BIG DECISIONS TO MAKE FOR AS CHAIR I'LL SIT IN FOR MANY YEAS TO COME! Lori On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - *From:* Derrick whe...@cvn.net *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
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The best wheelchair is the one that can be repaired or adjusted in the least amount of time. Your provider get their best deals on Permobil. Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:29:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, whe...@cvn.net writes: I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message
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Hi Eric, If you much prefer your Permobiles over your Invacare solely due to reliability I would be very leery of changing. ESPECIALLY after having TWO Permobiles to more or less prove that. Even though the dealer for A Quantum is much closer... just curious as to * why* you would want to change? Because I would put reliability first or before getting another chair. For example, my dealer/vendor is not exactly close by for WHICHEVER chair I use ... but I surely want one that I know has been reliable --- to avoid going to the shop x-number of times. Any idea when your Quantum will arrive? I know these days that it takes 6+ months to GET any new chair so it is just a waiting game for you or can you call someone every once in a while to get an idea of when to expect it? Thanks in advance! Lori On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - *From:* Derrick whe...@cvn.net *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
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Oh, I most definitely did not think you did not do your research! I know you better than that. :-) I am just curious (and I am sure that many other people are for when they need new chairs) WHAT chairs people are choosing and WHY. That is great that you are getting a leg bag opener put on it!!! What color did you pick? The DEMO that my husband brought back today is a shiny red color around the base and the tire rims. I like the red color but not sure right now what color I will end up choosing. Again, thanks again for your information! And hope you get it sooner than later! Lori On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com wrote: The closer dealer is not 'permobil authorized' the previous permobil dealer went under. Believe me I've done alot of research, including wheelchairjunkie. lol it surely can't be 2 much longer til it arrives...he has it but was waiting for my legbag emptier. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - *From:* Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.com *To:* quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 2:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare Hi Eric, If you much prefer your Permobiles over your Invacare solely due to reliability I would be very leery of changing. ESPECIALLY after having TWO Permobiles to more or less prove that. Even though the dealer for A Quantum is much closer... just curious as to *why* you would want to change? Because I would put reliability first or before getting another chair. For example, my dealer/vendor is not exactly close by for WHICHEVER chair I use ... but I surely want one that I know has been reliable --- to avoid going to the shop x-number of times. Any idea when your Quantum will arrive? I know these days that it takes 6+ months to GET any new chair so it is just a waiting game for you or can you call someone every once in a while to get an idea of when to expect it? Thanks in advance! Lori On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - *From:* Derrick whe...@cvn.net *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
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Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: _msm...@pridemobility.com_ (mailto:msm...@pridemobility.com) Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Derrick_ (mailto:whe...@cvn.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message
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color?...black, of course! when i 1st read this, i thought u were talkin legbag opener color...but then u said shiny red, pictured...here i go speeding in my chair open my new shiny legbag opener...hearing the kid in the christmas story (you'll shoot ur eye out kid) lol Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: Eric W Rudd ; quad-list Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare Oh, I most definitely did not think you did not do your research! I know you better than that. :-) I am just curious (and I am sure that many other people are for when they need new chairs) WHAT chairs people are choosing and WHY. That is great that you are getting a leg bag opener put on it!!! What color did you pick? The DEMO that my husband brought back today is a shiny red color around the base and the tire rims. I like the red color but not sure right now what color I will end up choosing. Again, thanks again for your information! And hope you get it sooner than later! Lori On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com wrote: The closer dealer is not 'permobil authorized' the previous permobil dealer went under. Believe me I've done alot of research, including wheelchairjunkie. lol it surely can't be 2 much longer til it arrives...he has it but was waiting for my legbag emptier. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Lori Michaelson To: quad-list Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare Hi Eric, If you much prefer your Permobiles over your Invacare solely due to reliability I would be very leery of changing. ESPECIALLY after having TWO Permobiles to more or less prove that. Even though the dealer for A Quantum is much closer... just curious as to why you would want to change? Because I would put reliability first or before getting another chair. For example, my dealer/vendor is not exactly close by for WHICHEVER chair I use ... but I surely want one that I know has been reliable --- to avoid going to the shop x-number of times. Any idea when your Quantum will arrive? I know these days that it takes 6+ months to GET any new chair so it is just a waiting game for you or can you call someone every once in a while to get an idea of when to expect it? Thanks in advance! Lori On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Derrick To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ -- Lori Age - 46 C4/5 complete quad, 31 years post Tucson, AZ
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confused here...need 2 correspond w/ Mark why? Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: wheelch...@aol.com To: c5sc...@gmail.com ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: msm...@pridemobility.com Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd c5sc...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Derrick To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message
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II really liked my Chairman 2K but my dealer sold me a C. 300 and I don't like it at all. The C. 500 is the same as the Chairman 2K. He did not tell me this until 6 months after I had the chair. I told him I wanted the same chair. The company would not do anything nor would Permobile . They said it was too late. The dealer was United Seating and Mobility (previously Apria) I got the Chairman 2K through Apria.. The dealer should have gotten in trouble and they should have made it right. Dana in a message dated 11/8/2010 5:24:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: Atta Boy Eric! If you send an email to Mark Smith-Product Manager at Pride Quantum Div with your Provider and Purchase order, he will personally update you with any progress of your chair. Mark can be reached at: _msm...@pridemobility.com_ (mailto:msm...@pridemobility.com) Best Wishes In a message dated 11/8/2010 1:44:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, c5sc...@gmail.com writes: Personally, I much prefer my Permobils over my Invacare solely due to reliability. After having 2 Permobils I've decided to try a Quantum due to a very close dealer. Eric W Rudd _c5sc...@gmail.com_ (mailto:c5sc...@gmail.com) - Original Message - From: _Derrick_ (mailto:whe...@cvn.net) To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil or Invacare I have had electric Invacare wheelchairs all my years with c/5 sci. I hear Permobil is better and my vendor is bringing one for evaluation. Which do you prefer and why? Any suggested questions that I should ask? Thanks, Derrick Ps:if you get a message from my spamblocker whenn replying -do not worry i'll get your message
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil Parts?
Permobil's US Warehouse is located in Tennessee. If the part or component is available, its there. Best Wishes In a message dated 9/18/2010 2:58:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wer...@wk.net writes: Hey I'm getting a friends nice permobil power chair and will need to get the seat base widened to 18 for me, adding a joystick to it, just wondered if anyone was privey to outlets for parts. Thanks ahead! Matt Wermer C-4 21 Yrs Post
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Good for you. What Permobile is it. I hate my C-300 I thought it was the same as my old chair but nothing at all like it. Dana
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I have the C350 and while I think it's a pretty decent chair, I would recommend going with the front wheel drive if you're used to a mid-wheel drive. You have to be cognizant of the weight, mine weighs in excess of 500 pounds with me in it, I weigh 181 pounds. You also need to be aware of that some of the front wheel chairs in the Permobile name brand can be rather tall. Quadius On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Derrick whe...@cvn.net wrote: My dealer is pushing the Permobil C350 Corpus PS on to me. Does anyone have either of these power chairs and can give a review? I have always had Invacare power wheelchairs. I never had problems with their chairs besides normal wearing out. I am looking for a power chair with seat elevation. Thanks in advance, Derrick
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My dealer is pushing the Permobil C350 Corpus PS on to me. Does anyone have either of these power chairs and can give a review? I have always had Invacare power wheelchairs. I never had problems with their chairs besides normal wearing out. I am looking for a power chair with seat elevation. Thanks in advance, Derrick
Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500
C500 RS / R-Net... still getting *extensive* mods done to the controls (mini-joystick, fiber-optic controls, head support, etc) so I can actually operate it like I need to, so I don't have a lot of experience with it yet. What year is yours? Is it an older or newer model? Do there seem to be parts that need replaced fairly often, or does it have electronics glitches? Something else? Just wondering... Billy Lang wrote on 06/15/10 16:44: Hi Guys, I've have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use.
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My particular chair is dampened quite a bit by the Magitek and is only able to drive about 4.8 mph. This was what I was driving when the incident occurred. Hopefully this won't happen anymore, but I'm probably going to have to get some sort of cellular phone that can call my neighbors if it does happen. Right now I don't feel secure enough to go around the block too many times without letting people know where I'm at. It's sad because everything is so well contained here that I normally don't have to worry. Q On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Lori Michaelson lorilivin...@gmail.comwrote: Quadius, I have had my Permobile Chairman since January of 1999. I got it in New York State when I used to live there. It was not until I moved to Arizona where I went on longer walks (sidewalks and bike lanes that go on forever here) and what you described below is EXACTLY what happened to me in 2001 or 2002. And, like you, the button just needed to be pushed again. Then, it did not happen again for several years but I noticed that when it DID happen again... I was going quite fast. Since then, I have never gone full speed. Because if it ever stopped that abruptly again... I would go flying forward even with my Velcro belt on. I am an average cruiser anyway. Not too fast and not too slow. Lori On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what type of seating system I am using, but I am using a C3 50. I'm also having difficulty with my chair after only 3 1/2 months of use. Unfortunately mine is intermittent problem. Yesterday while I was out riding around my half mile loop, my Permobile just simply up and stopped. The computer shut down and I had no way to turn it on. Thankfully one of my neighbors happen to step outside her house after I had been sitting there for 10 minutes. They only needed to hit the button again in order for the computer to boot back up, but this is really dangerous. Sorry I couldn't help. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. *Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. * *Billy* -- Lori Age - 45 C4/5 complete quad, nearly 30 years post Tucson, AZ
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Quadius, I have had my Permobile Chairman since January of 1999. I got it in New York State when I used to live there. It was not until I moved to Arizona where I went on longer walks (sidewalks and bike lanes that go on forever here) and what you described below is EXACTLY what happened to me in 2001 or 2002. And, like you, the button just needed to be pushed again. Then, it did not happen again for several years but I noticed that when it DID happen again... I was going quite fast. Since then, I have never gone full speed. Because if it ever stopped that abruptly again... I would go flying forward even with my Velcro belt on. I am an average cruiser anyway. Not too fast and not too slow. Lori On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Quadius quad...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what type of seating system I am using, but I am using a C3 50. I'm also having difficulty with my chair after only 3 1/2 months of use. Unfortunately mine is intermittent problem. Yesterday while I was out riding around my half mile loop, my Permobile just simply up and stopped. The computer shut down and I had no way to turn it on. Thankfully one of my neighbors happen to step outside her house after I had been sitting there for 10 minutes. They only needed to hit the button again in order for the computer to boot back up, but this is really dangerous. Sorry I couldn't help. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. *Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. * *Billy* -- Lori Age - 45 C4/5 complete quad, nearly 30 years post Tucson, AZ
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I don't know what type of seating system I am using, but I am using a C3 50. I'm also having difficulty with my chair after only 3 1/2 months of use. Unfortunately mine is intermittent problem. Yesterday while I was out riding around my half mile loop, my Permobile just simply up and stopped. The computer shut down and I had no way to turn it on. Thankfully one of my neighbors happen to step outside her house after I had been sitting there for 10 minutes. They only needed to hit the button again in order for the computer to boot back up, but this is really dangerous. Sorry I couldn't help. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. *Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. * *Billy*
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my Invacare did the same kind of thing but it would stay powered up but had to be turned off and back on to reset it. Just last year after three years of uncertainty I can now power down my own chair and started back up again. It's a little black box not made by Invacare or supported by them as just a simple switch on my sip and puff control tube. I would have to ask my repair shop who makes the box and besides that a couple months ago I had a friend install some air horns that get anybody's attention within about a half a city block or more! One time I stalled out on the railroad tracks with a freight train coming and fortunately there was a police officer right behind me to help push me off the tracks! From: Quadius quad...@gmail.com To: Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 8:59:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 I don't know what type of seating system I am using, but I am using a C3 50. I'm also having difficulty with my chair after only 3 1/2 months of use. Unfortunately mine is intermittent problem. Yesterday while I was out riding around my half mile loop, my Permobile just simply up and stopped. The computer shut down and I had no way to turn it on. Thankfully one of my neighbors happen to step outside her house after I had been sitting there for 10 minutes. They only needed to hit the button again in order for the computer to boot back up, but this is really dangerous. Sorry I couldn't help. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. Billy
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I have had numerous repairs done: motors, electrical etc. This is my fourth permobil and it just seems the quality has really gone downhill. More importantly, I ordered this RS seating unit. I have been using it for a year and since I have developed monumental lumbar problems. Perhaps it is coincidental, but my discs are herniated and displaced, I have Arachnoitis and my T1 vertebrae is dangerously close to puncturing the main aortic artery. I am 20 years post and the probability leans toward normal (abnormal?) aging as a C5 quad. All this started however, when I got into this RS seating unit. Permobil has stopped manufacturing this seating unit both here and in EUR. Just wanted to take a reality check. From: airgant...@aim.com [mailto:airgant...@aim.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:48 PM To: blan...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 hello billy, i have the c500, since 2005. whats wrong? -Original Message- From: Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 6:44 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. Billy
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What is RS seating? I have extra chairs around - from eBay - just for spare parts. That has come in handy a few times. My sons have swapped parts out for me. AZDAVE In a message dated 6/15/2010 6:31:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, blan...@verizon.net writes: I have had numerous repairs done: motors, electrical etc. This is my fourth permobil and it just seems the quality has really gone downhill. More importantly, I ordered this RS seating unit. I have been using it for a year and since I have developed monumental lumbar problems. Perhaps it is coincidental, but my discs are herniated and displaced, I have Arachnoitis and my T1 vertebrae is dangerously close to puncturing the main aortic artery. I am 20 years post and the probability leans toward normal (abnormal?) aging as a C5 quad. All this started however, when I got into this RS seating unit. Permobil has stopped manufacturing this seating unit both here and in EUR. Just wanted to take a reality check. From: airgant...@aim.com [mailto:airgant...@aim.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:48 PM To: blan...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 hello billy, i have the c500, since 2005. whats wrong? -Original Message- From: Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 6:44 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. Billy
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Sorry to say, but my discs are herniated and displaced, I have Arachnoitis and my T1 vertebrae is dangerously close to puncturing the main aortic artery is definitely NOT normal aging, even with an SCI. I'm 28 years post injury, c5-6, and have none of those issues. I don't think I'm an anomoly. I hope you can overcome your medical issues and live a long and healthy life! Don. - Original Message - From: Billy Lang To: quad-list@eskimo.com ; airgant...@aim.com Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 I have had numerous repairs done: motors, electrical etc. This is my fourth permobil and it just seems the quality has really gone downhill. More importantly, I ordered this RS seating unit. I have been using it for a year and since I have developed monumental lumbar problems. Perhaps it is coincidental, but my discs are herniated and displaced, I have Arachnoitis and my T1 vertebrae is dangerously close to puncturing the main aortic artery. I am 20 years post and the probability leans toward normal (abnormal?) aging as a C5 quad. All this started however, when I got into this RS seating unit. Permobil has stopped manufacturing this seating unit both here and in EUR. Just wanted to take a reality check. From: airgant...@aim.com [mailto:airgant...@aim.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:48 PM To: blan...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 hello billy, i have the c500, since 2005. whats wrong? -Original Message- From: Billy Lang blan...@verizon.net To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 6:44 pm Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil RS/ C500 Hi Guys, I’ve have a C500 Permobil with an RS seating system. I was wondering if anyone on the list is currently using this unit, (either RS seat or C500)? I am having difficulties with both, after a year of use. Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do. Billy
RE: [QUAD-L] Permobil
Yo, perms r good. But don't get them wet!!! I was coming back from Virginia a couple weeks ago and had mine on a trailor, just my luck it rained!! I know, it's my fault! I have a new one on order, thanks to medicare! But stay dry peeps, stay dry!! (no dah,right?) From: Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:09 PM To: sirq...@aol.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil After a really long time I am getting seated in my C350 this Friday. Hopefully they will be able to work out all of the electronics difficulties I encountered the last time, October of last year. It's a long story and I don't want to go into it right now, but I do know, based on what the vendor told me, that the 350 has smaller batteries and therefore a smaller range than the 500. It's only a few miles shorter, so it you don't travel over 18 miles a day, you probably won't have any difficulties. Quadius On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, sirq...@aol.com wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post _
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A great common sense lesson and yes, you won't be the last to have that experience. Open trailers, can be risky with open bottoms and little to no protection on the top. I've seen well wrapped equipment get wet too. Thanks for the lesson at your expense. Best Wishes In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:43:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, w...@ptd.net writes: Yo, perms r good. But don’t get them wet!!! I was coming back from Virginia a couple weeks ago and had mine on a trailor, just my luck it rained!! I know, it’s my fault! I have a new one on order, thanks to medicare! But stay dry peeps, stay dry!! (no dah,right?) From: Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:09 PM To: sirq...@aol.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil After a really long time I am getting seated in my C350 this Friday. Hopefully they will be able to work out all of the electronics difficulties I encountered the last time, October of last year. It's a long story and I don't want to go into it right now, but I do know, based on what the vendor told me, that the 350 has smaller batteries and therefore a smaller range than the 500. It's only a few miles shorter, so it you don't travel over 18 miles a day, you probably won't have any difficulties. Quadius On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, _sirq...@aol.com_ (mailto:sirq...@aol.com) wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)
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I would like to know the answer to that question also, I didn't know it was for front-wheel-drive. I have rearwheel right now. Thank you for any answers that the list can provide. Dana I would appreciate any information and feedback on the newer automobile! In a message dated 9/2/2009 11:17:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: A great common sense lesson and yes, you won't be the last to have that experience. Open trailers, can be risky with open bottoms and little to no protection on the top. I've seen well wrapped equipment get wet too. Thanks for the lesson at your expense. Best Wishes In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:43:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, w...@ptd.net writes: Yo, perms r good. But don’t get them wet!!! I was coming back from Virginia a couple weeks ago and had mine on a trailor, just my luck it rained!! I know, it’s my fault! I have a new one on order, thanks to medicare! But stay dry peeps, stay dry!! (no dah,right?) From: Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:09 PM To: sirq...@aol.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil After a really long time I am getting seated in my C350 this Friday. Hopefully they will be able to work out all of the electronics difficulties I encountered the last time, October of last year. It's a long story and I don't want to go into it right now, but I do know, based on what the vendor told me, that the 350 has smaller batteries and therefore a smaller range than the 500. It's only a few miles shorter, so it you don't travel over 18 miles a day, you probably won't have any difficulties. Quadius On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, _sirq...@aol.com_ (mailto:sirq...@aol.com) wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115)
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If your chair has the old 22nfd's then its not going 18 miles on one charge. That is absurd bs. By the time they are six months old your going to worry about trips to the mall. Hoverounds claim 15 miles to a charge. but it is done without anyone in the chair. Many of the chairs on TV use a U-1 battery. They shouldn't leave home. It is barbie car batteries. Cars get great milage if you get rid of the driver, too. My new TDX SP went 7 miles on its first charge. I didn't run it dead. It had between 20-30% left. They don't last long if you run them dead. i'm using 24D's. Unfortunately, they keep putting gell batteries in it. The maintenance free deep cycle has more power and lasts longer. You just cant put it on an airplane. I fly about never. I dont need $300 batteries with less power than a $100 battery. If you buy batteries from your own pocket I highly recommed the Optima brand. BW, john From: daa...@aol.com daa...@aol.com To: wheelch...@aol.com; w...@ptd.net; quad...@gmail.com; sirq...@aol.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 2:12:03 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil I would like to know the answer to that question also, I didn't know it was for front-wheel-drive. I have rearwheel right now. Thank you for any answers that the list can provide. Dana I would appreciate any information and feedback on the newer automobile! In a message dated 9/2/2009 11:17:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, wheelch...@aol.com writes: A great common sense lesson and yes, you won't be the last to have that experience. Open trailers, can be risky with open bottoms and little to no protection on the top. I've seen well wrapped equipment get wet too. Thanks for the lesson at your expense. Best Wishes In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:43:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, w...@ptd.net writes: Yo, perms r good. But don’t get them wet!!! I was coming back from Virginia a couple weeks ago and had mine on a trailor, just my luck it rained!! I know, it’s my fault! I have a new one on order, thanks to medicare! But stay dry peeps, stay dry!! (no dah,right?) From:Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:09 PM To: sirq...@aol.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Permobil After a really long time I am getting seated in my C350 this Friday. Hopefully they will be able to work out all of the electronics difficulties I encountered the last time, October of last year. It's a long story and I don't want to go into it right now, but I do know, based on what the vendor told me, that the 350 has smaller batteries and therefore a smaller range than the 500. It's only a few miles shorter, so it you don't travel over 18 miles a day, you probably won't have any difficulties. Quadius On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, sirq...@aol.com wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post
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After a really long time I am getting seated in my C350 this Friday. Hopefully they will be able to work out all of the electronics difficulties I encountered the last time, October of last year. It's a long story and I don't want to go into it right now, but I do know, based on what the vendor told me, that the 350 has smaller batteries and therefore a smaller range than the 500. It's only a few miles shorter, so it you don't travel over 18 miles a day, you probably won't have any difficulties. Quadius On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:26 AM, sirq...@aol.com wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post --
RE: [QUAD-L] Permobil and H-A Modular Mouthstick
It is built into the electronics which means I only have the chin controller and no extra switch. My first chair had a chin controller and then the clicker off to one side, which continuously moved away from my face. I really prefer the electronics and modes all in one. I looked at that mouthstick but cant justify the cost. I am also missing two molars on the upper right which will probably prevent me from using the particular Mouthstick. I am still using the one that was fabricated for me at Santa Clara rehab and we just put more new mobile plastic on the mouthstick as I need it. My reading mouth stick is made from an aluminum arrow and works pretty well. I can type pretty fast on the computer also, but I have gotten very lazy and thoroughly enjoy Vistas speech recognition as I can dictate so quickly. I still use my desktop computer and use the mouth stick for that, but prefer my laptop. Have a great day Joan What you do for yourself dies with you. What you do for others, lives forever.
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I am up 12 to 16 hours a day, and I must admit that occasionally my neck and shoulders are very tired of the end of the day. But I utilized the chin controller on a swing away while at rehab and did not like the fact that it would bounce slightly away over rough terrain. Since we are situated on the side of the mountain and all the terrain is rough I didnt see that working, so I opted for bib controller. I do not use a headrest as I like the fact that I can tilt back and drop my head back to relax it so as to stretch my neck and shoulder muscles during the day. It took me several months to build up my shoulder and neck muscles so I could get rid of the head rest. I just couldnt see myself bouncing around on the ground with a headrest while using a chin controller. I have four drives on my Omega Trac wheelchair. Number one is high speed with very little chin pressure needed-8 miles per hour, number two is slow speed with very little chin pressure which I use around the house, number three is high speed with more chin pressure which gives me a very good control at a fairly fast rate of speed, and number four is very slow with a very quick stop which I use getting on and off lifts, around peoples toes etc J. You can see the Omega Trac on the Next Mobility site-I love love love this chair, but need to get something else in case it breaks and I cant afford to fix it. It has 4 inch ground clearance, and with the lift feature I can easily go over 6 ½ inches and up a 9 inch curb or step. I liked the fact it has a lifetime frame warranty, as I broke both the Invacare storm and my quickie wheelchair frames. Each of us has different needs and that is why these forums are so important because so many of us have solved problems with innovative solutions and then we can share them. What kind of mouthstick do you use? I really need to get one that I can read with that does not put pressure on my teeth. Have a great day. Joan What you do for yourself dies with you. What you do for others, lives forever.
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I also did not answer about changing modes. I change modes by a left click on the chin controller than a right click to wherever I want. It makes a beeping sound so I do not have to look at the display. I can turn the chair on or off, drives, tilt, recline, or leg rest up or down. I cannot get under tables because I sit so high, but that is only a concern when we go out to eat because I need so much space around me that I get in other people's way. I have to be fed anyway so getting under the table isn't a big concern. Joan
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I have been using a Permobil Chairman since January of 1999 (the same chair). I have found that there are pros and cons to ALL chairs. The feature that I do not like is that it sits way higher than all the other chairs. In other words, I have a hard time fitting under tables and can barely see out my van. Uncool. I will be in the same boat looking for a new chair at some point and I have no idea what I'm going to do. The other problem with Permobils is that when something goes wrong - it is very difficult for a waiting process to get the parts in. The company is from Switzerland and, even though they do have one office in the United States in Tennessee, that does not seem to make much difference. I do not need a chin control but when I go to look for a new chair and whether I choose Permobil again as well... the chair will have to have a Recline AND Tilt feature again which I have now. I do not know what I would do without the tilt feature now for a myriad of reasons. And if I were going to go the Permobil route again I would choose the up and down feature. I did not get it with the current chair because that feature is used mostly for people who can access upper kitchen cupboards and things like that but I do not have enough movement to be able to open cupboards or things like that. However, when it comes to putting the batteries in -- it cannot be done without turning the chair on its side or whatever they have to do to get the batteries in. In my case, I have had to stay in bed while my husband has taken the chair down to a vendor for replacement batteries. If I had chosen the up and down feature -- they would easily be able to slide the old batteries out and the new ones in with me in the chair. Choosing a new chair is a tough call. Let us all have good luck when it is time! Lori Michaelson Age - 45 C4/5 complete quad, 29 years post Tucson, AZ On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:26 AM, sirq...@aol.com wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post --
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I always get invacare stuff, and the base price on my new chair is $6500. Of course the final price is 25,000. Since base on peremobiles are mostly above $20,000 it may be difficult to get CMS or even an insurance company to go for it. Ultimately, most chairs boil down to comfort scale. If you don't fit in it right you will never like it. Peremobiles do rock and are far better but invacare keeps trying to stay 10 years behind. Always working toward mediocrity. It does make you mad that a peremobile aleady has most of the additions standard invacare has to add on. Good luck getting one. BW, john From: sirq...@aol.com sirq...@aol.com To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:26:13 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post
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I had a Permobil for about 6 years. My first non-rear-wheel drive chair. I thought it the most comfortable chair I had been in. But it had lots of problems at first. The electronics kept going out, the tilting, reclining, fuses, etc. After they rebuilt it from frame up, it was great for years. BUT THEN!!! While reclining the back/recliner-bar broke and I fell backwards until laying flat. I thought all that happened was a bruised hip. But a year later my leg would not lay flat and had huge pains. The injury caused calcium to start growing on my hip into the muscles. Not fun. A year after that the frame broke and was unfixable. I liked it other wise. Just wish it was faster. I love the X850, the front wheels extend out for higher speeds, but still not fast enough. The K450 is a fantastic idea for kids. It lowers them to the floor. At lest they are trying new ideas. Greg _ too am looking for a new chair, and I'd just google
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Sean I have a C500 with chin control. It has worked out well for me. I like the front wheel drive of the C500. If you are use to a rear wheel drive it does take some getting use to having to give your self more clearance in the back. I have the harness , but it is well balanced so you don't notice the weight on you neck. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Cullen C2/3 --- On Sun, 8/16/09, sirq...@aol.com sirq...@aol.com wrote: From: sirq...@aol.com sirq...@aol.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Permobil To: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 9:26 AM Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post
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Thanks Cullen, I guess its all going to be big changes. I currently don't use my headrest, don't need a switch, no chest strap and that mode-drive display box is tucked down and out of the way. Back in the day head rests switches and control boxes looked bulky to me. The less visible seems better to me. It looks like I might have to relunctly give in on the head rest and a switch but not sure about that harness. In a message dated 8/17/2009 9:58:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cullenc...@yahoo.com writes: Sean In my last post I didn't answer you question about changing modes, I have a switch that is attached to an arm that is attached to my head rest. Cullen C2/3
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Hi Sean I too am looking for a new chair, and I'd just google Permobil C350 reviews 500cs and check what others have liked and disliked about the chair. It seems to get mostly positive reviews. However, it does weigh 375 pounds and has a top speed of 6.5 miles per hour. My omega trac weighs 420-440, and that puts me right at 570 pounds. That means I have to have an extra heavy duty lift, and it is only 30 pounds lower than the maximum that our access buses can pick up. That might be a consideration for you. Why do you not want to wear a chin controller around your neck? The drawback of course is that it is rather heavy, but for me a very big plus is that it cannot bounce away from me so that I am unable to reach it when I am by myself. I also wear it lower when I am by myself, which enables me to easily reach my mouth stick for reading or computer or getting myself a drink without the chin controller being in my way. Joan C4 October 1990 What you do for yourself dies with you. What you do for others, lives forever.
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I am using a permobile now, I previously was using a jazzy. Let me tell you it was like going from a Kia to a lexus!!! But I bought it barely used 4 $3000.00 out of pocket. I did that so I can have a back- up, but I use the permobile as my main chair. Only problem, when I break it, I have to fit the bill, believe me the parts aren't cheap But I get superior milage from it! Like bigtime miles on 1 charge!!! I recomend them to anyone. It is time for me to get a replacement through medicare/Medicaid they r just now starting to cover the permobile! So that is great! I need rear wheels for my permobile now, the threads r showing. That comes out of pocket, I can try eBay or even craigslist. Hope I find some anywhere cheap! But good luck, hope this info is useful. As far as chin control and mode buttons, I would speak to my wc tech, the person who sized u up, they should be aware of that kinda stuff. On Aug 16, 2009, at 5:26 AM, sirq...@aol.com wrote: Any Permobil users? I've always had an arrow or a storm. My new storm is not working out. I'm thinking Permobil C 350 corpus or the C 500 RS. Is there any advice you can give between these two. I know the 350 is rear wheel drive and the 500 is front wheel drive. They both say they can go 6.5 mph. But are the motors the same? Battery life the same? I do need a chin control. I'm not going to wear that harness. I'd like to mount the chin control on a swing away arm. Anybody out there like that? What kind of switch do you have to switch modes? Any advice is appreciated. Sean c-4 19 yrs post
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Van, worksation, and public doors. My hands just mist those handles now. Q On 6/26/07, Paul Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi...I have a Permobil c500.with elevation. Great chair. Why would being tall be a problem...except for getting under tables. Thanks Paul c5/6 complete San Diego, CA - Original Message - *From:* Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Daniel Vachon [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] permobil street I am considering a Permobile, but I definitely do not want to be any taller than I am already. I sit just a little under 5 foot right now and any taller would make it next to impossible to do the things I currently enjoy. Maybe that's why I should stick with Quickie. However, I did see an individual driving a Permobile who was about the same height as me in the chair and is as tall as I am. I just need to find out what type of Permobile it is. Q On 6/24/07, Daniel Vachon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:14 AM 6/24/2007 -0700, KK said something that elicited my response: Site has reviews from owners. 12MPH - burning rubber! http://www.usatechguide.org/itemreview.php?itemid=1117 Actually it says 12km/h which translates to 7.44 mph.
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I am considering a Permobile, but I definitely do not want to be any taller than I am already. I sit just a little under 5 foot right now and any taller would make it next to impossible to do the things I currently enjoy. Maybe that's why I should stick with Quickie. However, I did see an individual driving a Permobile who was about the same height as me in the chair and is as tall as I am. I just need to find out what type of Permobile it is. Q On 6/24/07, Daniel Vachon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:14 AM 6/24/2007 -0700, KK said something that elicited my response: Site has reviews from owners. 12MPH - burning rubber! http://www.usatechguide.org/itemreview.php?itemid=1117 Actually it says 12km/h which translates to 7.44 mph.
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Hi...I have a Permobil c500.with elevation. Great chair. Why would being tall be a problem...except for getting under tables. Thanks Paul c5/6 complete San Diego, CA - Original Message - From: Quadius To: Daniel Vachon Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil street I am considering a Permobile, but I definitely do not want to be any taller than I am already. I sit just a little under 5 foot right now and any taller would make it next to impossible to do the things I currently enjoy. Maybe that's why I should stick with Quickie. However, I did see an individual driving a Permobile who was about the same height as me in the chair and is as tall as I am. I just need to find out what type of Permobile it is. Q On 6/24/07, Daniel Vachon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:14 AM 6/24/2007 -0700, KK said something that elicited my response: Site has reviews from owners. 12MPH - burning rubber! http://www.usatechguide.org/itemreview.php?itemid=1117 Actually it says 12km/h which translates to 7.44 mph.
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Site has reviews from owners. 12MPH - burning rubber! http://www.usatechguide.org/itemreview.php?itemid=1117
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Am I the only one thats bumped someone in a crowd? At 12 miles an hour I'd start doing broken bones. Awesome chair but I like my centerwheel configuration with separate legs cause mine dont match and I have protection on the sides of my legs. Guess it is a matter of what you're use to. I take drugs so I can't depend on not hitting stuff as a talent. I'm not far from needing a helmet..lol. john - Original Message From: KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:14:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] permobil street Site has reviews from owners. 12MPH - burning rubber! http://www.usatechguide.org/itemreview.php?itemid=1117 Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html
