Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[the pickle]

At 21:24 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>I have a reply to some of this. I'm rusty on my physics, though:
>
>the pickle wrote:
>>
>> At 23:32 -0500 on 14/08/02, Ryan wrote:
>>
>> >And not just sitting in the back, starting and watching.  Now about those
>> >boat anchors, if you put a 85 lb. computer in the water, how the heck'd you
>> >get it back up? And it's no doubt that the Apple Newton is the best boat
>>
>> The water makes it weigh a lot less than its mass might indicate because the
>> water holds it up much better than air does :)
>
>The computer's air slots will allow it to take in water. If it's salt
>water, it will mass more than fresh water. You're going to be hauling up
>the mass of the computer, plus whatever water is circulating through its
>guts. I believe it will make the computer seems to mass more than its
>original 85-lbs. Plus, the circulation of water through the vents of the
>said computer, will give the illusion of added mass which really isn't there.

Ya, but there aren't any 85-lb Macs.  I think my suggestion was to fill the
case with concrete (because there aren't any Macs that'll make a decent boat
anchor unless you do anyway), which would alleviate pretty much all of the
above.

>What he's referring to here is an old-fashioned dial telephone (anyone

I have one, and I can't find any significant magnet in it other than the ringer
solenoid.

>scrub the area around this desk because I smoked a lot. Over time, her
>vaccum erased or damaged a bunch of those disks -- they were in the
>bottom drawer of that metal desk.

Motors generate a LOT more magnetic field than a fone does :)

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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[the pickle]

At 21:46 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>You're just a kid yourself, aren't you?

Depends on whether or not you consider 22 a kid :)

>I'd place a bet in Las Vegas right now that you aren't much older than
>my eldest son!

How's that bet working out?

>Poop, man, I bet you can't even remember TV before remotes were in
>common use! (I do remember an aunt & uncle who had one of the first

Actually, we had a B&W until 1988, and it had dials, not a remote.  My best
friend's parents' TV was colour but also had dials (no remote) and they had
that until lightning took it out three years ago.
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Re: C650 boot time.

[the pickle]

At 21:57 -0400 on 15/08/02, Terry Mathews wrote:

>> The Apple System Profiler told me this machine has a PPC 601 running at
>> 72 MHz. This chip is supposed to only run at 66 MHz. It's been
>over-clocked!
>
>Maybe not... If it's a non-Apple accelerator, it might be designed to triple
>the host clock (25MHz in the case of the C650). As to why it's 72MHz instead
>of 75MHz, ASP might not be reading it right, or the "25MHz" C650 really runs
>at 24MHz.

The Mac in question, despite the thread subject, is a 950 :)
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[the pickle]

At 20:29 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>Please see my previous reply.

If you can scan that card, or get a photo of it, I'd be very interested.
Asanté made lots of networking gear but this is the first instance of a video
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Re: C650 boot time.

[the pickle]

At 20:28 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>The Apple System Profiler told me this machine has a PPC 601 running at
>72 MHz. This chip is supposed to only run at 66 MHz. It's been over-clocked!

That, or ASP is wrong.  In order to get 72MHz out of it, it'd have to have a
36MHz overclock, which is only a 3MHz (10%) speed gain, and probably not
something someone would have risked.

If you really want to be certain, check the frequency of the clock oscillator.
Peter can tell you the board reference; my 950 is packed away and I can't get
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Re: hard-drive install problem

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At 20:13 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>What ARE YOU? An alien or a cotton-picking disgruntled former Apple
>hardware engineer??? I'd LOVE to have a peek at YOUR "Knowledge Base!"

Neither, and anyone attempting to peek at my "knowledge base" will be shot on
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Re: Naughty SCSI drives.

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At 20:11 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>The listing I posted above just scratches the surface. I used to be
>FANATICAL about buying Mac books. I've tapered off quite a bit in the

If you still have most of those, Bill Brown and I might have a proposal for
you.  Contact me offlist if you wanna hear it.

>I'm scared of simply "whacking" a hard disk. Something ingrained from
>the early '80s about not exposing them to violence I suppose.

You can't do any damage to the drive with your hand without severely hurting
yourself, which is probably why people suggest holding the drive firmly in your
hand instead of putting it in a bench vise and whacking it with a hammer ;)

As long as you don't drop it on the floor - and most drives will survive that
fine too - you're probably fine :)
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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[william ahearn]

Allen Davis wrote:
> 

> I just wanna know if you people know that Grand Funk Railroad is back
> and BETTER than ever??? 

Well . . . how hard is that? 

William
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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[Allen Davis]

Pickle:

You're just a kid yourself, aren't you?

I posted something earlier, and obviously before I read this.

I'd place a bet in Las Vegas right now that you aren't much older than
my eldest son!

Poop, man, I bet you can't even remember TV before remotes were in
common use! (I do remember an aunt & uncle who had one of the first
Quasar TVs that had one, and it did literally "click" when you used the
remote -- and that was in 1964!!!)

the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 23:17 -0700 on 14/08/02, Obi-Wan wrote:
> 
> >the pickle wrote:
> >
> >> At 23:32 -0500 on 14/08/02, Ryan wrote:
> >>
> >> >the heck of it. (i.e. Placing a telephone on your Seagate Barracuda II HD
> >> >will most likely end up in you reformatting it.) So, here's your Mac tidbit
> >>
> >> Anyone have a clue why this might be, and whether it requires a corded or
> >> cordless (or cellular) telephone?
> >
> >Normal phones have magnets in the handset that can mess up a disk.  I have a
> >magnet reformatting tool. Same principle.
> 
> Yeah, that sort of figures, but those magnets aren't very powerful.  A
> magnetised screwdriver has never caused me any problems and I'd think a fone's
> speaker magnet would be somewhat less powerful.

A magnetized screwdriver isn't the same thing. Those things lose their
"charge" or "magnetism" after a while. You know this. Besides, the
charge you put into a screwdriver isn't that strong. I've been using
them since you were still dragging on a baby bottle -- or at least
that's what I'm now suspecting.

Allen
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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[Allen Davis]

Another two cents' worth:

Obi-Wan wrote:
> 
> the pickle wrote:
> 
> > At 23:32 -0500 on 14/08/02, Ryan wrote:
> >
> > >the heck of it. (i.e. Placing a telephone on your Seagate Barracuda II HD
> > >will most likely end up in you reformatting it.) So, here's your Mac tidbit
> >
> > Anyone have a clue why this might be, and whether it requires a corded or
> > cordless (or cellular) telephone?
> 
> Normal phones have magnets in the handset that can mess up a disk.  I have a
> magnet reformatting tool. Same principle.

Absolutely correct, although the magnetic fields emitted today are far,
far weaker than in years past. Less voltage, amperage, etc., etc.
> 
> > >spoiled enough.  Also, did you know that a band called "Air" (A few songs:
> > >How does it make you feel?; Electronic Performers) used Apple's (Yep, that's
> > >right) Macintalk to SING THE SONGS! That's right, MACINTOSHES SUNG SONGS!
> >
> > Radiohead's OK Computer album has several Macintalk clips on it.  I think they
> > used Fred.  Someone recorded Fred singing "We Will Rock You" with some pretty
> > good cover of Queen in the background about six months or so ago, too.  That
> > one's quite funny :)
> >
> 
> That is a good album.

I've heard of RadioHead.

I just wanna know if you people know that Grand Funk Railroad is back
and BETTER than ever??? They're appearing in Muncie, Indiana on
September 6. I have VIP tix, and will be seeing the band BEFORE AND
AFTER the show. 

This isn't the GFR from yesteryear. New lineup (Bruce Kulick on lead
guitar -- formerly with KISS for 12 years and UNION; Max Carl on vocals,
keyboards and rhythm guitar, formerly of .38 Special, Jack Mack & The
Heart Attack; and Tim Cashion on keyboards and vocals -- formerly with
Bolton, Bob Segar and Robert Palmer).

Don Brewer is still singing and doing duty on drums -- he has the
FASTEST RIGHT FOOT in all of rock-n-roll. He doesn't use double bass
drums. This man's speed will amaze and delight, and makes it all look
like he's in slow-motion -- the mark of a great drummer.

Mel Schacher is still thumping the bass. He's been dubbed "the God of
Thunder" by Bass Player magazine. If you see him play, you'll know why.
Even in back-row seats, this guy will pound your chest without hurting
your ears. Interestingly enough, he's the son of a musician who played
bass violin, accordian and banjo for the Lawrence Welk Orchestra on TV
back in the '50s and '60s.

Mel's first exposure on the national scene was when he was still 16 as
the bass guitarist on a No.1 hit song by ? and the Mysterians called "96 Tears."

I know Mark Farner isn't with GFR anymore. Screw it. Let's move on.
These guys ROCK!

If they come to your town, check 'em out! I'm not kidding; I'm not
exaggerating! I loved Grand Funk when I was a kid, but these guys blow
them outta the water!!! You will melt when you hear "I'm Your Captain"
or "We're An American Band!!!"

I'm done. The rant is over.

Allen
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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[Allen Davis]

I have a reply to some of this. I'm rusty on my physics, though:

the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 23:32 -0500 on 14/08/02, Ryan wrote:
> 
> >And not just sitting in the back, starting and watching.  Now about those
> >boat anchors, if you put a 85 lb. computer in the water, how the heck'd you
> >get it back up? And it's no doubt that the Apple Newton is the best boat
> 
> The water makes it weigh a lot less than its mass might indicate because the
> water holds it up much better than air does :)

The computer's air slots will allow it to take in water. If it's salt
water, it will mass more than fresh water. You're going to be hauling up
the mass of the computer, plus whatever water is circulating through its
guts. I believe it will make the computer seems to mass more than its
original 85-lbs. Plus, the circulation of water through the vents of the
said computer, will give the illusion of added mass which really isn't there.
> 
> >the heck of it. (i.e. Placing a telephone on your Seagate Barracuda II HD
> >will most likely end up in you reformatting it.) So, here's your Mac tidbit

What he's referring to here is an old-fashioned dial telephone (anyone
here remember those??? or even the ORIGINAL touch-tone phones???) Those
things had some HUGE magnets in them. Any phone manufactured by the old
Western Electric company will promply erase any hard drive, floppy, Zip,
Jaz, SyQuest, etc., etc., that you place directly under such phones.

BACK IN THE DAY, I was using my trusty old Mac Plus, and it was on top
of a metal desk. I made this nifty little wooden floppy disk holder to
store my 200+ floppy disks in. We had a cleaning lady who used this HUGE
old 1930s vintage Hoover vacuum cleaner, and she'd have to constantly
scrub the area around this desk because I smoked a lot. Over time, her
vaccum erased or damaged a bunch of those disks -- they were in the
bottom drawer of that metal desk.
> 
> Anyone have a clue why this might be, and whether it requires a corded or
> cordless (or cellular) telephone?

Just the old-fashioned phones. No one uses them anymore -- at least
almost no one! I've got a couple of 1940s-vintage phones, and they are
almost heavy enough to require two men, a boy and a hunting dog just to
lug them around.

Allen
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Re: hard-drive install problem

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> ok im gonna buy a 50watt or so powersupply and build an external case with
> it (I was planning on doing it anyways since it doesn't fit)
> 
> my only problem is that I have searched and searched and I cant find any way
> to get from the external scsi port on the back of the computer into the
> standard ribbon cable port on the harddrive, is there any way to do this or
> should I just do as I was planning and run a bit of ribbon out the back of
> the case to my external case?
> -
> Otto Hansen

There's a store in Raleigh, NC (it may be a chain, but I'm not sure) called
Connect-It.  They had an adapter that you could plug a ribbon cable into and
have it be a 25-pin external connection on the other side.  I used it with a
clone PC-AT case as a cheap external SCSI box.  The cost of the adapter was
about $15 US.

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Re: C650 boot time.

[Terry Mathews]

> The Apple System Profiler told me this machine has a PPC 601 running at
> 72 MHz. This chip is supposed to only run at 66 MHz. It's been
over-clocked!

Maybe not... If it's a non-Apple accelerator, it might be designed to triple
the host clock (25MHz in the case of the C650). As to why it's 72MHz instead
of 75MHz, ASP might not be reading it right, or the "25MHz" C650 really runs
at 24MHz.

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

Please see my previous reply.

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the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 22:26 -0400 on 14/08/02, william ahearn wrote:
> 
> >Allen Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
> >> have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
> >> card??? I don't think so.
> >
> >Let me understand this. You have attached a video
> >monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.
> 
> AUI is a DB-15; he said it had a coax plug, and if it was made by SuperMac,
> there's little chance it's anything *but* a video card.  However, if it was
> made by anyone other than SuperMac, Radius, or RasterOps, it's more likely a
> networking card.
> 
> >AAUI is Apple's version of it which was standard during
> >the quad/PCI era. No, I don't think there was a combo
> >ethernet/video nubus card. I don't think so either.
> 
> E-Machines made several.
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Re: C650 boot time.

[Allen Davis]

Terry:

William Ahearn and you both got me to checking deeper.

B O N U S   T I M E   A G A I N ! ! !

Terry Mathews wrote:
> 
> > I can't find my own Apple/Macintosh database at the moment, but if
> > memory serves me, shouldn't OS 8.1 been the LAST version a 950 should be
> > able to run???
> 
> Somewhere, somehow, that machine has a PPC Upgrade in it... It is not
> possible that it is running 8.5 on a 68040. Maybe it's got the upgrade
> designed for the Q650 in it (The one that plugs directly into the 68040
> socket.) Dunno, but somehow it's got a PPC 601. Period.
> 
> Terry

The Apple System Profiler told me this machine has a PPC 601 running at
72 MHz. This chip is supposed to only run at 66 MHz. It's been over-clocked!

I thought it was funny that this thing would run so fast, even faster
(seemingly so) than that god-awful 7200/90 I've got!

Life is good, and it just keeps gettin' better!

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

william ahearn wrote:
> 
> Allen Davis wrote:
> >
> > I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
> > have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
> > card??? I don't think so.
> 
> Let me understand this. You have attached a video
> monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.
> AAUI is Apple's version of it which was standard during
> the quad/PCI era. No, I don't think there was a combo
> ethernet/video nubus card. I don't think so either.

When I brought the beast home, I also had a trunk-full of those old 14"
Apple color monitors. I hooked one up to the machine this particlar card
was installed in. The video worked perfectly.

I just kept scratching my head and wondering what the heck the "cable"
connector was for. You may not even want this card. From what I can
tell, I think it only has 8-MB of VRAM installed on it, and it's all
soldered to the card.

The circuit board is clearly marked on the upper-right-hand corner,
"Asante Technologies, Inc."

This card has 4 relatively large disk-type capacitors and some HUGE
diodes (by today's standards). Upon really close inspection (under mild
magification) I see this card actually has two small adjustable
resistors (potentiometers). I have no clue about this card other than it
will drive a 13"-15" monitor.

Allen
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Re: hard-drive install problem

[Allen Davis]

DAMN, Pickle,

What ARE YOU? An alien or a cotton-picking disgruntled former Apple
hardware engineer??? I'd LOVE to have a peek at YOUR "Knowledge Base!"

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the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 19:14 -0500 on 14/08/02, otto hansen wrote:
> 
> >I have a 9gb full height 5.25 scsi HD that I am trying to install in my
> >Quadra 610
> 
> If it's really a 5.25" FH drive, how did you FIT it in there? :)
> 
> >im thinking this could be too little power for the drive? it takes 25watts
> 
> Good guess.  If that drive is drawing 25W to spin up, the PSU can't do it.
/>
> 
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Re: Naughty SCSI drives.

[Allen Davis]

I have to pipe in on this one!

the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 19:04 -0500 on 14/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> >I used to be like him. I still have an entire 8-foot tall bookcase
> >packed with nothing but Mac books. Alas, most of them now are quite
> >dated. Macintosh Bible, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th Editions; Dr. Macintosh by
> >Bob Levitus; The Complete Macintosh; MacWorld's Mac Secrets, 5th Edition
> >by Pogue and Shorr; MacWorld Complete Mac Handbook + Interactive CD, 3rd
> >Edition, by Jim Heid. The list could go on for a long time. Plus all the
> >third-party User Manuals for Photoshop, Freehand, Illustrator, etc. It's
> 
> That's probably a far more useful library than what you could put together now
> :)

The listing I posted above just scratches the surface. I used to be
FANATICAL about buying Mac books. I've tapered off quite a bit in the
last few years -- much to my dismay. I should've kept it up. It's the
main reason I'm "behind the curve" on so much of the newer stuff.
> 
> >I also have a giant box of seemingly dead hard drives I've never been
> >able to toss out. I'm going to give the freezer trick a tryout. The
> >logic seems sound. I have heard of stranger things that worked in a pinch!
> 
> Give 'em a whack with the heel of your hand, too.  Stiction might be part of
> the problem (and it seems to me like freezing the drive would make this
> *worse*, not better).

I tried the freezer trick on an ancient 80MB HD that used to reside in
an SE-30 I had years ago. Lo & behold! I managed to retrieve every file
on it! They now reside safely on a CD-RW!

My wife keeps our deep-freezer so full that I'll only have room for 2
drives at a time, but I intend to try it on every HD in my "dead box."

Lemme say, too, that I was totally freaked out by the files I did
retrieve! Jeez! 1989, 1990, 1991!!! I was going through a divorce and
some really traumatic emotional upheavals in '91, and I kept a daily
journal on that disk. Recovering it and re-reading it opened some big
windows into what kind of condition my head was in back in those days. I
used to think it was such an ordeal raising three small children all by
myself. Today, I feel it was a blessing. I'm so happy to have that
journal back, even if I did have a screwed-up perspective on my own life
at the time!

I'm scared of simply "whacking" a hard disk. Something ingrained from
the early '80s about not exposing them to violence I suppose.

Allen
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Re: Project 476: Suggestions?

[wlliam ahearn]

> My question for this "project" which I'll compile and send back to
> the Quadlist before I unsubscribe is this: what have I forgotten?

I think that's a great  question and I don't think endorsing software in
the form  of a suggestion violates any list rules. But I'll wait for a
nanny tto chime in.Oh,yeah,utilities.

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Project 476: Suggestions?

[Olin Jenkins]

Greetings, Quadlisters:

My time at the Quadlist is growing short, since I'm about to donate 
my Performa 476 to a long-time friend in Charlotte, NC. This will be 
her first computer, and I want her to find it as pleasurable as 
possible.

It's on OS 8.1, 68MB memory, full FPU (25mhz, never clock-chipped), 
Performa Display, GV Teleport 33.6 modem, LaserWriter 300, Apple 2x 
CD-ROM reader, extended keyboard, teardrop mouse, microphone. On 
bootup, displays the root of the HD, Launcher, and aliases on the 
desktop. Should be easy to use, but I've been using it since 1992, 
and it's been my very favorite Macintosh. It's going to be *very* 
hard to part with it!!

My question for this "project" which I'll compile and send back to 
the Quadlist before I unsubscribe is this: what have I forgotten?

For example, "don't forget Netscape Navigator 4.08!" I've got the 
machine set up for it, as well as Eudora Pro 4.2.2, the last known 
version of Eudora Pro to work on 68k Macs. Barring endorsements for 
any software, which would cause headaches for Dan and listnannies (I 
promise to use common sense, guys), send me your "don't forget..." 
notes either on- or off-list, as

this is a practical request/suggestion, so if you don't want me 
to post off-list e-notes to the Quadlist, please reply off-list and 
tell me so straight away. I'm hoping this little fun project will 
benefit everyone at the Quadlist before I go away.

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Re: Hard drive trick

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At 18:05 -0400 on 15/08/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Will the trick of placing a hard drive in the freezer work with a PowerBook
>hard drive? They seem to be a bit fore fragil than the old Quadra 605.

Can't see why it wouldn't.  Same basic principles, just smaller :)

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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

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At 18:02 -0400 on 15/08/02, Jim Pendarvis wrote:

>had any problems, but what I would really like to know is could I have used
>the Zip 250?

This is from Compact Macs about a week ago...

At 00:29 +0100 11/08/02, Phil Beesley wrote:
>As many people have reported, the Iomega Zip 4.2 extension that works
>with System 6 and Zip 100 drives does not work with the Zip 250. A quick
>examination of the  extension showed me that the extension contains two
>occurrences of the string "Zip 100" (can't recall if it was lower or
>upper case). Don't ask for the file offsets -- I've mislaid the piece of
>paper but the string only occurs twice and can be found with a simple
>ASCII search. I changed the string "100" to read "250" and tried it on a
>IIci running System 7.1 (yes, I know it's not System 6 but the principal
>applies). The modified extension operated quite happily with both Zip
>100 and 250 HFS cartridges and I could read/write/format. The modified
>extension will only work with Zip 250 drives but wil work with both
>sizes of cartridge.
>
>I encountered problems with FAT (PC format) cartridges but I always have
>experienced difficulties with them -- for some time, I backed up web
>pages to FAT format cartridges and after a couple of years I  had no end
>of problems but fortunately no data lost. I no longer use FAT format Zip
>carts for long term data storage -- they are fine for short-term data
>exchange between PCs and Macs but I will not trust them for a backup.
>This is possibly a PC Exchange control panel problem with multiple
>copies of files with the same name but I don't have the evidence to
>point fingers definitively.
>
>If you have a Zip 250 and a System 6 Mac and fancy trying this, use your
>favourite binary editor (eg Norton Disk Editor) to modify a copy of the
>extension. The hack worked fine for me but without a lot more testing, I
>wouldn't recommend it for crucial data. Please let me know of your
>success or failure. Please don't forward this hack to others without
>including my warnings and reservations.

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Hard drive trick

[PastorScott02]

Will the trick of placing a hard drive in the freezer work with a PowerBook 
hard drive? They seem to be a bit fore fragil than the old Quadra 605.

Thanks Scott

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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[Jim Pendarvis]

>Hi Everyone,
>
>I used to use "Find Pro II" a while back and enjoyed
>it; later I switched to version III and absolutely
>loved it!
>
>Over the years, I have lost floppies (moves, etc.) and
>recently I got all my 3.25" disks together and
>searched for it, but no luck ... (I know I have to get
>my sw backed up into cd's or zip drives, but I need
>some vacation time for that, now that I just bought
>another zip drive)
>
>I want to "replace" my old copy of Find Pro III, any
>suggestions? I'm open to even alternatives (don't get
>me wrong, I do like the 7.5 find command, but I'm
>currently on 7.1).
>
>Thanks in advance!!
>Craig
>

I'm curious about the Zip drive.

I have a Performa 575. Micro Center was having a clearance sale. One of the
items was a SCSI Zip 250. I was interested until I read on the box it was
for OS 8.6. I was pretty sure that the could work, but that requirement
scared me off.

There was nothing on Iomega's web site that would tell me either way. But I
did download the Zip drivers from Iomega and found that most of the
software was for PPC. (Since I didn't have a Zip drive, I didn't expect to
do anything with the software, I just wanted to see if it would start.)

Then I downloaded an older set from elsewhere. That loaded ok, but it was
explicitly for Zip 100.

Meanwhile, Micro Center sold the 250 and I ended up buying a Zip 100. It
works great. It came with it's own driver and software (even older than
what I downloaded),

So at this point I seem to be using the driver I got from Iomega, and a mix
of the software that came with the drive and what I downloaded. I haven't
had any problems, but what I would really like to know is could I have used
the Zip 250?

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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[the pickle]

At 14:34 -0700 on 15/08/02, c e wrote:

>--- David Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Have you tried using the 7.5 Fast Find Application
>> under 7.1?
>
>I'll try it.
>
>
>> I'm going to have to try OT 1.1.2 with my 7.1
>> Installation... I wonder if
>> it work on a Rocket... *eveil grin*
>
>I think I once ran OT 1.3.1 on 7.1 or 7.5.

That'll work fine, but not with a Rocket.
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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[c e]

--- David Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you tried using the 7.5 Fast Find Application
> under 7.1? 

I'll try it.

 
> I'm going to have to try OT 1.1.2 with my 7.1
> Installation... I wonder if
> it work on a Rocket... *eveil grin*

I think I once ran OT 1.3.1 on 7.1 or 7.5.

BTW, I remember FP III has many more power-features
than the 7.5 find feature i.e., move to trash, copy
to, move to, etc., that's why I was looking for it! I
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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[the pickle]

At 13:11 -0400 on 15/08/02, David Pierce wrote:

>I'm going to have to try OT 1.1.2 with my 7.1 Installation... I wonder if
>it work on a Rocket... *eveil grin*

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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[David Pierce]

Have you tried using the 7.5 Fast Find Application under 7.1? You should be
able to get it to work, assuming you follow the instruction in the Macfaq
to update 7.1 with 7.5-ish technologies.

I'm going to have to try OT 1.1.2 with my 7.1 Installation... I wonder if
it work on a Rocket... *eveil grin*

>Hi Everyone,
>
>I used to use "Find Pro II" a while back and enjoyed
>it; later I switched to version III and absolutely
>loved it!
>
>Over the years, I have lost floppies (moves, etc.) and
>recently I got all my 3.25" disks together and
>searched for it, but no luck ... (I know I have to get
>my sw backed up into cd's or zip drives, but I need
>some vacation time for that, now that I just bought
>another zip drive)
>
>I want to "replace" my old copy of Find Pro III, any
>suggestions? I'm open to even alternatives (don't get
>me wrong, I do like the 7.5 find command, but I'm
>currently on 7.1).
>
>Thanks in advance!!
>Craig



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Re: CD Drive acting oddly.

[Magosb2]

could be just  a warn out drive
- Original Message -
From: "Kyle Kinsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Quadlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: CD Drive acting oddly.


The CD drive on my c650 has started to ignore disks?

Any ideas? It worked fine 1 minute and then not the next.

However yesterday it just said bad disk do you want to format it
to everything!

this is weird! just when i was halfway through installing debian as well!
It read the disk to install half then just stopped!

Quad's running OS 8 if that helps any! Which i installed form the cd fresh
last night
(from G3 cd, that will install os8 only if you go down to the real os 8
install dir and not click
the install in the root!)

Maybe it will start working again tomorrow!


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CD Drive acting oddly.

[Kyle Kinsey]

The CD drive on my c650 has started to ignore disks?

Any ideas? It worked fine 1 minute and then not the next.

However yesterday it just said bad disk do you want to format it
to everything!

this is weird! just when i was halfway through installing debian as well!
It read the disk to install half then just stopped!

Quad's running OS 8 if that helps any! Which i installed form the cd fresh last night
(from G3 cd, that will install os8 only if you go down to the real os 8 install dir 
and not click
the install in the root!)

Maybe it will start working again tomorrow!


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Re: Quadra 650 - Ethernet Cards & Routers

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At 14:01 -0500 on 15/08/02, Blok, Alex (MED) wrote:

>it works -- before I start with PPC upgrades or replacements. Except it
>turns out the Ethernet card was physically broken by the previous owner
>(I never had to use it before). Any recommendations on brands/sources of
>compatible Ethernet cards and good routers?

Asante cards have issues with autosensing speeds on routers that have 10/100
ports, so you might want to avoid that brand.  Linksys routers seem to have
more problems than any other brand (or Mac users have more problems with them,
anyway) so you might want to avoid those.

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Quadra 650 - Ethernet Cards & Routers

[Blok, Alex (MED)]

Thanks for all the responses -- great list!!!

I am going to first hook up the Quadra to a router "as is", and see how
it works -- before I start with PPC upgrades or replacements. Except it
turns out the Ethernet card was physically broken by the previous owner
(I never had to use it before). Any recommendations on brands/sources of
compatible Ethernet cards and good routers?

Thanks again.
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Re: Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[Scott Holder]

At 09:59 AM 8/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I used to use "Find Pro II" a while back and enjoyed
>it; later I switched to version III and absolutely
>loved it!

If you can't find it, you can grab the Find File Extension and Find File 
thingy from the Apple Menu Items from a 7.5+ machine and it'll mostly work 
on 7.1. Sure beats the built in.

You'll have to select it manually though.

Might work as a stopgap

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade / Broadband

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At 17:53 +0100 on 15/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:

>Jeesh - you guys are being strung  out. It's £30/month here (about
>$40) and the installation is free. All you have to do is provide a
>Router/Modem for around £100 ($140).

Oh yeah, I forgot about the DSL modem, which they *also* usually make you
purchase (cable modems incur a *RENTAL!* fee).

>I guess you have to weigh up the costing. Do you get a modem/router
>with T1 or is it pure ethernet or PPPoE?

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Want to upgrade my Quadra's "find" command ....

[c e]

Hi Everyone,

I used to use "Find Pro II" a while back and enjoyed
it; later I switched to version III and absolutely
loved it!

Over the years, I have lost floppies (moves, etc.) and
recently I got all my 3.25" disks together and
searched for it, but no luck ... (I know I have to get
my sw backed up into cd's or zip drives, but I need
some vacation time for that, now that I just bought
another zip drive)

I want to "replace" my old copy of Find Pro III, any
suggestions? I'm open to even alternatives (don't get
me wrong, I do like the 7.5 find command, but I'm
currently on 7.1).

Thanks in advance!!
Craig

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade / Broadband

[Mark Benson]

>At 15:03 +0100 on 15/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:
>
>>>Wait til T1 shows up in your area. We have it via RF link to
>>>houses/businesses here in Star Valley on west side of Wyoming. 25x
>>>faster than 53K modem and 6x faster than DSL with [to date - 6 months
>>>after installation - no problems] for install fee of 450.00 and monthly
>>>cost of 25.00 - what I was paying ISP for unlimited 53K connection.
>>
>>$450 is a bit much for the average man to fork out, even as a one-off
>>installation fee. I think most people would be happy with DSL to be
>>honest, unless you regularly download Linux/BSD Distros and other
>>large data files.
>
>Considering DSL is $50/month and usually has an install fee of about $100-200,
>and cable modems are similarly priced, I think a lot of people would be happy
>to pay the extra up front for the long-term savings.

Jeesh - you guys are being strung  out. It's £30/month here (about
$40) and the installation is free. All you have to do is provide a
Router/Modem for around £100 ($140).

>T1s also have symmetric upload/download speeds, something DSL can't claim
>unless you pay a LOT more for it ($150/month or so).

Those are nice - we get that on ISDN - it makes stuff so much faster
compared to asymmetric at the same speed. I mean our line is only 64k
but man is it fast compared to a modem.

I guess you have to weigh up the costing. Do you get a modem/router
with T1 or is it pure ethernet or PPPoE?

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade

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>In a message dated 8/14/02 1:05:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>writes:
>
><<
>*None of the above!* Start cruising thrift shops & flea markets and you
>will soon find an early powermac for far less than anything on your list
>above - OR - 7100/80 motherboard $15 on ebay (you'll need to hack the back
>of your 650 case, but hey it's part of the fun ...)!
>>>
>
>Be sure the 7100 has the ROM SIMM.

That could be important... hehehe



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Quadra 950 & MacOS 8.5 (Was Re: C650 boot time.)

[David Pierce]

>To quote Homer Simpson (my hero) and his Dad, Abraham: "I DON'T KNOW"
>
>All I can say is that Mac OS 8.5 is running, although slowly!
>
>I don't believe this machine was ever upgraded to PPC. When I got it, it
>was still running System 7.5.3 (what a DOG!), and I don't believe this
>system should ever have been installed on this machine; I could be
>mistaken; I've already wiped that System Folder out.
>
>I can't find my own Apple/Macintosh database at the moment, but if
>memory serves me, shouldn't OS 8.1 been the LAST version a 950 should be
>able to run???
>
>I defer to your knowledge and wisdom, but I still stand by what I said before.
>
>Allen

8.1 _should_ be the last version, but if you do mysteriously have a PPC
upgrade card (check your PDS slot) then 8.5 may/may not work. I think
there's a kludge to get it running.



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Re: C650 boot time.

[David Pierce]

>> >designed for the Q650 in it (The one that plugs directly into the 68040
>>
>> You mean the 605? :)
>>
>> >socket.)
>
>I thought the Q650 also didn't have a standard 040 PDS, and therefore had to
>use the socket solution.
>
>
My 650s got a standard 040 PDS - uses a DOS Compatibility PDS card from a
610, which is also listed as compatible with a 700, 900, 950, 800, etc.



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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

>I can't remember, but will System 6.0.8 run on a 512Ke??? I know it
>won't boot from its hard drive (an ancient HD-20). Probably have to
>stick to System 5.3 or whatever it is I already have for it.
>
>Allen

A stripped System 6.0.8 System Folder _should_ fit on a 400k floppy, or at
least an 800k - does the 512ke have an 800 FDD? Can't remember... - and it
uses about 380k of memory on my Plus, so I would guess it would work, in a
roundabout sort of fashion (boot from floppy, access files on HD.)



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Re: hard-drive install problem

[David Pierce]

>im thinking this could be too little power for the drive? it takes 25watts
>and I think the supply is only 83, I tried unplugging the other drive and
>just seeing if the big one would spin up but had the same power cut out

I think you just answered your own question.

Try unplugging the CD-ROM and see if the machine will boot - there should
be enough juice to run the HD if you don't have a CD-ROM sucking power.



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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade / Broadband

[the pickle]

At 15:03 +0100 on 15/08/02, Mark Benson wrote:

>>Wait til T1 shows up in your area. We have it via RF link to
>>houses/businesses here in Star Valley on west side of Wyoming. 25x
>>faster than 53K modem and 6x faster than DSL with [to date - 6 months
>>after installation - no problems] for install fee of 450.00 and monthly
>>cost of 25.00 - what I was paying ISP for unlimited 53K connection.
>
>$450 is a bit much for the average man to fork out, even as a one-off
>installation fee. I think most people would be happy with DSL to be
>honest, unless you regularly download Linux/BSD Distros and other
>large data files.

Considering DSL is $50/month and usually has an install fee of about $100-200,
and cable modems are similarly priced, I think a lot of people would be happy
to pay the extra up front for the long-term savings.

T1s also have symmetric upload/download speeds, something DSL can't claim
unless you pay a LOT more for it ($150/month or so).
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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade

[Bruce . Hossfield]

>Get a Power Mac off of e-bay.  (I got a 7100/66 complete system for $50
>including shipping)
>
>Get an AAUI transceiver and a Nubus ethernet card for the Q650.  Get
>ethernet cards/transceivers for all other computers.
>
>Get a hub - or at least a crossover ethernet cable.
>
>Transfer everything important to the PowerMac from the Q650.
>
>Put Linux on the Q650...

If I'm not mistaken, the original poster here was looking for an easy cheap
way of upgrading his 650 to use with cable or DSL modem, primarily because
he didn't want to go through all this ... he thought buying an olde ppc
would be more expensive than upgrading the 650. I believe the sense of most
of the replies has been that he can pick up an early power mac at a thrift
shop for much less than he thought.

Bruce (in Orlando)


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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 8/14/02 5:33:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
> Be sure the 7100 has the ROM SIMM.

And the PDS terminator if it doesn't have a PDS card.
>>

Also true, but this seems to be more of an issue with 8100s and 9150s than 
with 7100s.

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade

[Mark Benson]

>I have a Quadra 650 at home, and am getting Road Runner. Unfortunately,
>the minimum requirements are 75 MHz PPC running System 8.6 or higher. Of
>course, I can use my Windose work laptop, but I am hoping to find a
>cheap solution for my Mac. From what I was able to dig up, I have the
>following options:
>1) Buy a used PPC Mac (saw PCI clone PowerMac 7200 / 90 MHz for $175)
>2) Buy an apple PPC daughter board (don't know how much used ones cost)
>3) Buy a 7100 / 80 MHz motherboard upgrade kit ($100 from Nexcomp)
>
>Am I missing anything? I'd be grateful for any recommendations.

A router. It's as simple as that. We were going to piss about with 
USB modems and such on our ISDN line but instead plumped for a low 
cost ISDN router. It's as good as gold, doesn't care what OS your 
machines are running and it's small and silent. Especially with DSL, 
you can use more than one computer at once with zero fuss, just 
attach it to an existing LAN.

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade / Broadband

[Mark Benson]

>Wait til T1 shows up in your area. We have it via RF link to
>houses/businesses here in Star Valley on west side of Wyoming. 25x
>faster than 53K modem and 6x faster than DSL with [to date - 6 months
>after installation - no problems] for install fee of 450.00 and monthly
>cost of 25.00 - what I was paying ISP for unlimited 53K connection.

$450 is a bit much for the average man to fork out, even as a one-off 
installation fee. I think most people would be happy with DSL to be 
honest, unless you regularly download Linux/BSD Distros and other 
large data files.

Me, well I'm stuck here on a 64k ISDN line but it does the job and 
it's on 24/7 so I don't much care :).

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade / Broadband

[Dean Arthur]

Wait til T1 shows up in your area. We have it via RF link to
houses/businesses here in Star Valley on west side of Wyoming. 25x
faster than 53K modem and 6x faster than DSL with [to date - 6 months
after installation - no problems] for install fee of 450.00 and monthly
cost of 25.00 - what I was paying ISP for unlimited 53K connection.

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Re: Quadra 650 - PPC Upgrade

[Dean Arthur]

I use my Q-650 [http://www.sur-tech.com - 69.00 in '98] for internet
exclusively. Upgraded with 80 MB ram, 1 MB vram, 8X tray load CD, 17"
Hewlett-Packard fixed res 1024x768 monitor [http://www.shrevesystems.com
for 99.00 + 30.00 S&H in '00] networked with firewall to my Performa
6400/200 [also from Sur Tech] and a Power Mac 5400/180 AIO in study with
ham radio equipments.

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Re: I've been here for a while and am now particapating

[Robert Patterson]

Wasn't it the hefty alternating current in the mechanical bell of the old
Western Electric type phones that used to be blamed for erasing floppy
disks?

   Rob


>>> >(i.e. Placing a telephone on your Seagate Barracuda II HD
>>> >will most likely end up in you reformatting it.)
>>>
>>> Anyone have a clue why this might be, and whether it requires a corded or
>>> cordless (or cellular) telephone?
>>
>>Normal phones have magnets in the handset that can mess up a disk.  I have a
>>magnet reformatting tool. Same principle.
>
>Yeah, that sort of figures, but those magnets aren't very powerful.  A
>magnetised screwdriver has never caused me any problems and I'd think a fone's
>speaker magnet would be somewhat less powerful.

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What's more "Technical"

[Paul Stamsen]

Ryan,

May I suggest you please read the FAQ at: ?

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>   OK, I'm for real, I've been with PCs a while, and Macs a Good while.  But
>   what's more technical?  That's for you to decide. PCs have CMOS and BIOS,
>   and Macs have a built in interupt switch where you can get out of a crash
>   with G FINDER 99% of the time.  So what's more technical?  Tell me, I want
>   your opinion
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