Re: Losing time rapidly

[Haroon]

> Odd. The machine ran no user processes and lost that amazing amount of
> time. I guess I'll set up that x86 Linux machine after all, so I can ssh
> out to play ADOM. =) Thanks for the info.

Well, it still loses time while it simply idles as well . . . just not as
much as when it's actually doing stuff.  I think I was losing like 30
minutes to an hour's worth of time every day.



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Re: Losing time rapidly

[Haroon]

Andrew Walters wrote:

>Allo,
>
>I set my Quadra 610 up with Debian GNU/Linux, works great, etc etc. No 
>problems there, so I leave it running and doing its thing. A part of the 
>week later I come back to find the system time set to December 2nd, 
>2001. I thought I might've misadjusted the date when I set the machine 
>up (even though I remember doing it.) I set the date back in sync with 
>time.nist.gov and I let it sit for awhile more while I cleaned up the 
>apartment, and I come back to find it an hour behind, having been gone 
>perhaps half an hour. This goes on in a similar fashion.
>
>What's the problem here? I do not believe it's the battery (feel free to 
>correct me,) because it keeps pace with my other clocks when powered 
>off, and unplugged even. I've got a dead battery Performa next to it 
>that resets its date to the mid seventies whenever it comes back on. And 
>besides, the machine has been powered and running continually. Some sort 
>of Linux/68k issue with "idling"? I dunno.
>
>I just find moving four days into the future and losing six months on 
>the system clock a little odd.
>
>Suggestions welcome. =)
>
>Andrew
>
>
>  
>
There is a problem with NetBSD and OpenBSD where time is lost depending 
on how much work the processor is doing (the more work it does, the more 
time lost).  I didn't know this was a problem with Linux too, but 
apparently it is.  

There's no real solution to this problem.  I worked around it by having 
my Quadra 700 poll my Linux box's time server (which is x86) every 5 
minutes.  This keeps the time and date pretty much up to date.  If you 
don't have a box on your network you could setup as a time server, you 
can always use a public one.





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Re: Vintage Macs, Vintage Printers - only a little OT

[Haroon]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Since my Mac Plus days I've used a lot of different now-vintage macs, but
>in all that time I have used only 3 different printers with all of them - a
>DeskWriter 560C, a DeskWriter 660C, and an old StyleWriter B&W.  The 660C I
>am currently using at home I got with a P635 about 3 years ago, and I
>really don't like it much.
>
I just acquired a Deskwriter 660C, but no power supply.  Anyone know 
where I could find one, and also a serial cable to hook it up?


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Quaddoubler Problem

[Haroon]

Anyone on the list have experience with Quaddoublers?  I have a Quadra 
700 I leave on for months at a time as an OpenBSD box doing some minor 
tasks, and I noticed when it's given very intense tasks (like for 
instance, today when I was compiling OpenSSH), it tends to have 
stability issues.

I believe there's an overheating problem with the processor, since after 
a crash in OpenBSD (while the processor is still very hot) the system 
becomes incredibly unstable in OS 7.6.  If I power it off for a few 
minutes, or just let it sit idle, things return back to normal.  Also, 
if I return the original 25mhz CPU things are okay again.

I noticed the Quaddoubler pictured on Sonnet's web site does not have a 
fan, but a heatsink.  For some reason my Quaddoubler has a fan attached, 
which doesn't seem to be cooling it effectively.  Anyone think replacing 
the fan on the Quaddoubler with the original Quadra heatsink would yield 
better results?

It's very rare that I work this system hard, so it's generally not an 
issue; would still be nice to fix it though.


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Re: Fwd: OT: Haiku Poetry instead of Microsoft Error Messages

[Haroon]

the pickle wrote:

>No, but the dearth of applications is :)
>
>And people complain about apps being hard to find for the Mac...geez...
>
>the pickle
>
>  
>

I started experimenting with 68k Macs a few months ago (why I subscribed 
to this list), but finally got my G4 Powermac a little over two weeks 
ago.  OS X totally does everything I've always wanted an OS to.  Like Be 
except with apps and a real UNIX underneath.  I don't want to have to 
deal with x86 again except for cheap servers.

Haroon




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Re: Quadra 700

[Haroon]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Good afternoon everyone,
>
>I have a Quadra 700 I'm fixing up for a friend. Currently it has 20mb of ram 
>installed. I noticed apple doesn't recomend installing 16mb 30 pin sims in 
>this computer. Have Is the ram maxed out. Would I be better off with Ram 
>Doubler?
>
>Thanks for the assistance,
>
>
>
>Scott
>
>  
>
I have 68mb installed in my Quadra 700 with no problems.  I bought RAM 
for it a few months back from S.A. Technologies for maybe around $30 
with shipping included.  You might want to check them out.



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AU/X

[Haroon]

I'm bored on a Sunday before my summer classes will begin and feel like 
installing AU/X on an old Performa.

Anyone have a working FTP I could get it from?  I tried the one that was 
posted here a few weeks ago but it's not functioning.  Also checked out 
the AU/X newsgroup but most of the links were dead.

Haroon


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Re: Fwd: OT: Haiku Poetry instead of Microsoft Error Messages

[Haroon]

Denny Davis wrote:

>Like the other person who forwarded this to a list where I found it, it is
>OFF Topic, but I liked it none the less and I just couldn't resist.
>
>  
>
This was actually a feature of the Net+ browser in BeOS.  Probably could 
be imitated easily enough if you have a cache like Squid running.

The death of Be is a major reason I finally gave up on x86 and moved to Mac.


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Re: Best path to upgrade Performa 640 (w/ DOS card)

[Haroon]

While we're still on this subject, what non-68k logic board(s) could be
stuffed inside of a Performa 600 case?



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Re: Browser performance in overclocked Quadras?

[Haroon]

> I am wondering two things: Can anyone explain why the increased processor
> speed would create instability?

Although you've probably already done this, one thing you might want to make
sure of is that the processor is inserted as tightly as possible into the
socket.  My Quaddoubler somehow became loose once and I started to
experience crashes for no apparent reason.



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Fw: Attn Developers: Hardware donation

[Haroon]

Thought I'd forward this to the list since someone might be interested in
salvaging it.


- Original Message -
From: "Otterr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: Attn Developers: Hardware donation


> Here sits an old Quadra 950, running Mac OS 7.6.1, 24MB RAM, 200+MB hard
> drive, It has mouse, keyboard, and AUI/ethernet adapter. The monitor was
> fried, so it's not included. I can throw in two of these Spectrum (nubus)
> video cards if anyone wants them. The only thing I ask for is paid
postage.
> It's a beast. Boxed, it should weigh approximately 45 pounds. It's in
south
> Florida, zip code 33024. Figure the postage and how/where you want it
> shipped. I just want this tank to be used, rather than collect dust. Paid
> postage gets the machine. No other money necessary. Email me directly, as
> I'm not subscribed to the list.
> -O
>
>
>



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Re: Unix on a Centris 650-Anyone tried yet?

[Haroon]

> Are you sure that AUX comes with all the source code you need to recompile
> to fix bugs?

It doesn't, but I was more or less referring to replacing the AU/X programs
with Open Source equivilents.



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Re: Unix on a Centris 650-Anyone tried yet?

[Haroon]

> How difficult would it be to fix the exploits by compiling up-to-date
code?

A while ago when I was considering installing AU/X I found a huge list of
all the bugs in it, and a run down of how to fix them -- but I can't seem to
find it.

If you can figure out what exactly might have possible bugs in it, I suppose
you could attempt recompiling those specific parts.  The question is, will
it compile correctly on such an old platform?  You might have some luck
using gcc for AU/X, but I don't know if it's really worth the time.

I have a Performa 600 laying around; maybe I'll try AU/X on it over break.
But as far as being secure right out of the box, OpenBSD has never had an
exploit yet.



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Re: Unix on a Centris 650-Anyone tried yet?

[Haroon]

I have 68mb in it with a 1gb hd.  Video card is onboard; you don't need much
else to run Linux or BSD.

- Original Message -
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Unix on a Centris 650-Anyone tried yet?


> Would you share your RAM and HD sizes on your Quadra 700??
> What video card are you using?
>
> Phil Wong




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Re: Unix on a Centris 650-Anyone tried yet?

[Haroon]

> 1.I want to revive a Centris 650 from the dead by running either AUX,
> MkLinux, or some flavor of BSD. Can anyone recommend the best OS for it?

I'm using OpenBSD 3.0 on my Quadra 700; works pretty well.  The Centris 650
is listed as fully supported, too.

> 2.Those upgrades cards from Sonnet, Newer, etc. Do they work with any
of
> the above Unixes?

The PPC upgrade cards don't, but the Quaddoublers work great.

> 5.   Where can I shop for video Ram, RAM, and video cards for this
machine?

SA Technologies has really great prices.  I ordered some SIMMs for my Quadra
and they delivered promptly.

> Comments, criticisms, are appreciated.

I Wouldn't run AU/X on anything that was going to be doing mission critical
stuff, or available to the outside world.  Probably has tons of exploits
since it hasn't been updated in years.  Any of the BSD's should be solid.

Am I the only person who uses OpenBSD instead of NetBSD?

Haroon




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Re: Which burner supports P630 or Q630?

[Haroon]

> The last version of Toast for the 68K was 4.1, IIRC, so if the burner
isn't
> on Toast 4.1's compatibility list, you're SOL.

If he's adventurous enough he could install Debian or BSD on it, and use
Cd-Record (albeit a command line only app, it works).

OpenBSD has a cdrecord package, or you could compile it yourself.  Pretty
much any drive that cdrecord supports would work.

There's a list of supported drives here:

http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/
cdwriters-1.11.html



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Re: Fixing Monitor Cable

[Haroon]

Is there a place on-line that I could find information about the pin layout
on this monitor?  I can probably do the necessary soldering.

Also, is there any place I could just get another monitor cable?  I didn't
take the top off but I had a Sony before with a broken cable that was
relatively easy to replace from the inside.  Maybe I could find the same
monitor broken somewhere, and just lift the cable off of it.

- Original Message -
From: "Kyle Kinsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Quadlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Fixing Monitor Cable

Yep but it aint gonna be easy! You need to repair the cable.
However in order to do this as a quick hack you would need to know where
thje breaks are
(they are probably at the bit of the cable you need to bend and likely in
the same place, which
was probably once trapped behind a desk or something such)
alternatively, it is better to replace the entire monitor lead.
And further more the best option (in my view) is to remove the cable and put
a socket on the
monitor and use a seperate lead, which can be thrown away and replaced when
needed.
if only all monitors came like this in the first place! Damn some cost
saving measures.

However to do any of these requires you to be fairly competant with a
soldering iron and
in some cases more!



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Fixing Monitor Cable

[Haroon]

My friend just gave me an Apple Multiple Scan 15 display tonight, but the
cable seems a bit messed up.  I have to bend it in an awkward position to
get color, and if I don't it stays in a monochrome green.  Any way to fix
this other than bending the cable?  I'm kind of worried that bending it
eventually is going to break it for good.



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Re: Absolute beginner: Centris 610

[Haroon]

> Anyway, I'm looking around the net for software to install on this machine
> (which runs system 8).  The problem is is that when I burn a CD at the
> office (PC stuff) and bring it home the Mac treats the contents of the CD
as
> text files instead of the binary files they are.

Use Nero on the PC and burn the CD's with the HFS filesystem; solves all
problems.



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Question

[Haroon]

When I opened up my Quadra 700 the other day I noticed there is a single
slot to the left of the six video ram slots.  It looks like it takes a SIMM
of some sort.  What is this for?



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Maxxing out a Q700

[Haroon]

I'd like to take my Q700 as far as I can without moving over to PPC, but I'm
curious about what else I could do to it.

I have a Quaddoubler on the way and 68mb of ram (picking it up from UPS in a
couple hours).  I'll probably max out the vram just for the hell of it, even
though it only runs OpenBSD in console mode.

How about adding an L2 cache?  Would BSD recognize, or utilize it?  Since a
Quaddoubler would already be installed would that mean I'd have to use a PDS
slot cache?  Would it play well with the Quaddoubler?

Any suggestions for souping up this machine are welcome.




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Re: Quantum Fireball 1280s Hard Disk problem

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> I think Apple still sells the software, I'm not certain though...  I
> haven't gotten around to it but I have a copy of A/UX I'm going to try to
> toy with.  I'd like to see if I can get a nice server set up on a Q700 or
> Q800.
>
> --Raf

Bad idea -- I don't think A/UX has been touched since maybe '92 or so?  It's
probably full of exploits.  You're probably better off installing OpenBSD,
NetBSD, or Debian on your Quadra.  They're up to date and have packages for
the most common things readily available (like Samba, Apache, etc).



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Re: Quaddoubler

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> Which Quadra are you using it in?

Quadra 700.



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Re: Couple'a things...

[Haroon]

> 2. I'm considering putting a large HD in one of the other 605's, and
> running MKLinux or NetBSD.  I'm thinking of using it as an MP3 server
> (networked, it won't be playing it, just being storage space.) This
> *should* be able to be seen from both OS 7/8 Macs and  PCs (using SAMBA, I
> assume,) right? Anyone try this? (this is a great form factor for that,
> IMHO- nice, small, low profile, unobtrusive - I was thinking of it when I
> saw the "rack mount Mac" on LEM)
>
> -Eric

Mklinux is PPC only, and pretty outdated at that.  Debian 68k, OpenBSD m68k,
or NetBSD would work well though.  Samba is a good option, and if you
install Dave on your Mac's running OS 7 or 8 then you can browse the shares
from there.  I don't know whether PC's or Macs running OS 7 or 8 can
understand NFS, but if so then that would be another option.  Overall
though, Samaba seems like it would be a good choice for you (and I know for
a fact there are OpenBSD m68k packages available for it).

Although one person suggested it would be easier to just run MacOS on it,
you can probably get more speed out of a stripped down BSD or Linux
installation.  OpenBSD comes out of the box with most uneeded services
disabled; the only thing you might want to take out manually is Sendmail.
SSH runs by default but you'll probably want to access your box remotely
accross the network.  If you really want to go for bare minimals I think you
can boot it without a keyboard or monitor attached (by just sticking a Mac >
VGA adpater in the monitor port, or shorting it by some other method),
though I never tried.

Anyway, for some reason I enjoy playing with Linux/BSD on these older
machines much more than newer ones.



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Quaddoubler

[Haroon]

Just closed a deal on one of these used.  Anyone had experience with them?
Do they generally perform well?  I'll be using it on a machine that's
running OpenBSD 3.0.

Also, I ordered some memory from SA Tech, but they didn't include the
shipping costs in the totals.  Do they just add it on later?  Send it
postage due?



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Re: Memory for Quadra 700

[Haroon Al-Qahtani]

> I just received today my order for 4 x 16MB 30 pin RAM from MemoryX.
> On Friday I filled out the web form with my Credit Card and on Monday
> the memory was delivered to my office in NEW ZEALAND.  I installed my new
> RAM in my IIvx to test it and worked great.  I will be buying more for my
> Seven SE/30s Quadra 950 and Quadra 700.   These are new SIMMS and are the
> normal height.  Only $14.60 US dollars per stick.   My IIvx reported 133MB
> or RAM with RAM Doubler.   This is a dream come true.  Link is below
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/memx/apl30p16.html
>

I was just looking at the picture; that stick looks a /little/ too big.  Are
you sure it would fit in the 700?



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Memory for Quadra 700

[Haroon Al-Qahtani]

Anyone know where I could find (new or used) 16mb sticks for a Quadra?  I
want to boost it up to 68mb.  Crucial.com only had 4mb simms, and
Macsolutions told me I needed 72-pin simms even though the Quadra only takes
30 pin simms.  Is there any difference between the 30-pinn simms this Mac
uses and ones PC's use?  I don't really have an old 386/486 handy to
compare.

Also, is there any place I could find a Quaddoubler cheaper than what Sonnet
asks?



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Quaddoubler and OpenBSD 3.0

[Haroon Al-Qahtani]

I'm thinking about buying a Quaddoubler for my Quadra 700.  Does anyone know
if OpenBSD 3.0 m68k will support it properly?  I'm guessing since it's a
complete CPU replacement it shouldn't be much of a problem, but I'm not
sure.  Don't want to throw down $100 for nothing . . .



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Re: wild 605

[Haroon Al-Qahtani]

> I think you all know I'm not normally this cold, but some people just need
a
> nudge of responsibility.

I've been reading this thread kind of in surprise.

Even though I've used PC's since maybe '85 or '86, when I started using a
Mac my initial response was "wow, I could probably give this to my mother
and she wouldn't break it."  Really, there's a lot less trouble one can  get
into experimenting on a Mac than on a Windows/DOS machine -- at least I
thought.  This person has shot that theory down though :)




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