Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
On 28 Jan 2003, Todd Felmly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New idea!... Since the sunrise extension is working on the 8.0 boot floppy (it's detecting the drive), I think the OS can't read the format of the CD. The CD is an ISO9660 disc and I see an extension on the HD that says ISO9660 ... I put this extension which was marked as being an 8.1 file onto the 8.0 disc and it didn't work probably due to the differences in version numbers. I found an older one on Apples FTP site which I will try tomorrow (bed time now). Sound possible? You mentioned earlier that you just need some way to get your NEC 3x cdrom drive to work. You need the NEC 3x drivers. You don't have these? I have an external 3x NEC CD ROM and this works fine on 8.1 and with the NEC drivers installed onto a boot floppy, so I am able to reinstall or update (or downdate) software from CD ROM in this way. Mike. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 09:35 -0500 on 29/01/03, Todd Felmly wrote: I didn't do it and I am only trying to get it to work. If all it takes is getting a legal copy of the OS that I'll do that. OK, since this is a copy That should work fine, yes. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 10:12 -0600 on 28/01/03, Dan Palka wrote: I have a MacOS 8.0 boot floppy disk. I can email you a disk image of it if you would like. Just email me back privately. Ahem. This is piracy. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
I don't need an 8.0 boot floppy - I have OS 8 on CD and have created the floppy. I just need some way to get my NEC 3xp cdrom drive to work in 8.0. The cd-sunrise extension detects the drive when booting with the floppy, it just can't read the OS 8.0 disc. I guess my question should be - why can't I read the OS 8.0 cd when I use the 8.0 boot floppy? The system says it can't read it and it needs to be initialized. Todd -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 18:55 + on 28/01/03, Todd Felmly wrote: I don't need an 8.0 boot floppy - I have OS 8 on CD and have created the floppy. I just need some way to get my NEC 3xp cdrom drive to work in 8.0. The cd-sunrise extension detects the drive when booting with the floppy, it just can't read the OS 8.0 disc. I guess my question should be - why can't I read the OS 8.0 cd when I use the 8.0 boot floppy? The system says it can't read it and it needs to be initialized. Because the driver for the CD-ROM isn't present on the floppy. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 18:16 -0500, 1/28/03, (the pickle) observed: This is piracy. Yes it is. And this in Nanny-ery. The next one who does it get a time-out. -- Thanks, Paul ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) the ^±^ weasel QuadList PCI PowerMacs nanny -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
I guess my question should be - why can't I read the OS 8.0 cd when I use the 8.0 boot floppy? The system says it can't read it and it needs to be initialized. Because the driver for the CD-ROM isn't present on the floppy. Which driver? The cd-sunrise extension loads on the floppy and seems like it detects the drive. Is there something else I need other than that? Thanks to everyone for all the help so far! Todd -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 19:32 -0500 on 28/01/03, Todd Felmly wrote: I guess my question should be - why can't I read the OS 8.0 cd when I use the 8.0 boot floppy? The system says it can't read it and it needs to be initialized. Because the driver for the CD-ROM isn't present on the floppy. Which driver? The cd-sunrise extension loads on the floppy and seems like it detects the drive. Is there something else I need other than that? Ah, you didn't tell us you had it on the floppy :) Try booting from the HD after disabling any CD-ROM-related stuff *except* CD Sunrise (i.e., replicate the boot floppy's CD-ROM driver config) and see if that works. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 17:24 -0700, 1/28/03, (Paul Stamsen) observed: At 18:16 -0500, 1/28/03, (the pickle) observed: This is piracy. Yes it is. And this is Nanny-ery. The next one who does it get a time-out. Oops, please excuse me. I neglected to note that the time-out (72 hours) will come without warning. I will notify you afterwards. Second offense is a permanent banning from the list. -- Thanks, Paul ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) the ^±^ weasel QuadList PCI PowerMacs nanny -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
, you didn't tell us you had it on the floppy :) Try booting from the HD after disabling any CD-ROM-related stuff *except* CD Sunrise (i.e., replicate the boot floppy's CD-ROM driver config) and see if that works. -- the pickle OK, this is what I did: I booted from the HD into 8.1. With Extension manager, I turned off EVERYTHIHNG (control panels, extensions, etc.) _except_ for the cd-sunrise extension. I rebooted the computer and the only thing loaded was that single extension. When I put my OS 8.0 cd into the drive, it came right up. Sooo it appears that this single extension is the only thing needed in at least 8.1. Is there something different between 8.0 and 8.1 and how it handles CD's? Also, my system is 8.1. Why can't I just create a boot floppy with files from this system? Todd -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 20:50 + on 28/01/03, Todd Felmly wrote: Sooo it appears that this single extension is the only thing needed in at least 8.1. Is there something different between 8.0 and 8.1 and how it handles CD's? Must be. At least that's what the information you've presented tells me. Also, my system is 8.1. Why can't I just create a boot floppy with files from this system? The 8.x boot floppies are special stripped-down System/Finder combos that do little else besides boot and allow the launching of an installer. They're made with a special Disk Copy script on the CD, and you probably need an 8.1 CD in order to make an 8.1 boot floppy. -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
New idea!... Since the sunrise extension is working on the 8.0 boot floppy (it's detecting the drive), I think the OS can't read the format of the CD. The CD is an ISO9660 disc and I see an extension on the HD that says ISO9660 ... I put this extension which was marked as being an 8.1 file onto the 8.0 disc and it didn't work probably due to the differences in version numbers. I found an older one on Apples FTP site which I will try tomorrow (bed time now). Sound possible? Thanks again. Todd -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
At 22:58 -0500 on 28/01/03, Todd Felmly wrote: Since the sunrise extension is working on the 8.0 boot floppy (it's detecting the drive), I think the OS can't read the format of the CD. The CD is an ISO9660 disc and I see an extension on the HD that says ISO9660 ... I put this extension which was marked as being an 8.1 file onto the 8.0 disc and it didn't work probably due to the differences in version numbers. I found an older one on Apples FTP site which I will try tomorrow (bed time now). Sound possible? Why is your OS 8 CD an ISO 9660 CD? -- the pickle FAQ http://macfaq.org/index.shtml _ -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
I aquired an old Quadra 700 (68040 machine) pre-installed with OS 8.1. The computer came with an NEC external scsi cd-rom drive. Well since it is not an Apple model I can't boot from it with the 'c' key. The drive uses the cd-sunrise extension and works fine in 8.1. Maybe the easy way out: Suggest you pick up an old Apple CDROM. They're pretty cheap. I found an Apple 600i 4x SCSI CDROM, $10 shipped, on the LEM Swap List. Sure solved my non-Apple headaches. Lou -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: 8.1 boot floppy - how?
I think I can answer this... Disk tools (PPC) disk will boot any system supporting OS 8.1. Remove the two programs on the disk and install the CD Extension into the system folder on the disk. Can download this as an image at apples site, here: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/Eng lish-North_American/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_8.1_Update/Disk_Tools_PPC.img.bi n You can make a disk using Disk Copy from the image linked above. Hope that helps, JeffL -- Subject: 8.1 boot floppy - how? Date: Mon, Jan 27, 2003, 10:55 PM OK, please no flames as I am new to the Mac world. I aquired an old Quadra 700 (68040 machine) pre-installed with OS 8.1. The computer came with an NEC external scsi cd-rom drive. Well since it is not an Apple model I can't boot from it with the 'c' key. The drive uses the cd-sunrise extension and works fine in 8.1. My question is: If something were to ever happen to the disk and I needed to reinstall the OS, how would I do it? I have all 19 parts of the 7.5.3 I downloaded from Apple and if I create a boot floppy with that and include the cd-sunrise extension, I can't read the OS 8.0 cd-rom. The OS wants to initialize the cd! Same thing happens if I create a boot disk from the 8.0 cd. The extension loads for the cdrom drive but I can't read the 8.0 CD, it wants to erase the CD. The drive and OS 8 cd works just fine while booted in 8.1. Please explain! -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
