Re: Performa or Something Else?
on 10/5/02 3:52 AM, E McCann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't recall what was involved with the external video kit - It fills the upper wide slot on the backplate and lets you hook up a second monitor (mirror only) I have one if you want to swap for it. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
On 10/5/02, R.A. Cantrell wrote: on 10/5/02 3:52 AM, E McCann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't recall what was involved with the external video kit - Video- wise on the system, I've got cable (coax) in, S-video, and the three RCA jacks. It fills the upper wide slot on the backplate and lets you hook up a second monitor (mirror only) I have one if you want to swap for it. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell My 630CD has three RCA jacks and a DIN-8 (S-video?) port above the serial and ADB ports, but no coax. Without the video kit, how are these ports used? Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
My 630CD has three RCA jacks and a DIN-8 (S-video?) port above the serial and ADB ports, but no coax. Without the video kit, how are these ports used? Sounds like you have the Apple Video System - if you had the coax jack it would be the Apple TV/Video System and if you had two coax jacks it would be the Apple TV/FM/Video System. What the RCA and S-Video jacks you have are good for is connecting a camcorder or VCR or video game or whatever and displaying it's video on your Mac's screen, capture QuickTime Movies or Still images, etc. I have a similar if not identical card in my 6400 that I use with an old camcorder and video conferencing software. OTOH - you could have a video-output system installed, for displaying your Mac's video on a TV or recording to a VCR or whatever, but the video-in system seems to be much more popular and common. Hopefully someone here on the list will chime in with a way to tell if your RCA and S-Video jacks are for output or input. -John -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Performa or Something Else?
Hi. I'm new to the Quadlist (and still a computer rookie), so I hope these aren't really dumb questions. I've already reviewed the FAQs and didn't find answers (but may have overlooked something). Awhile back I bought a Performa 630CD system at a yard sale (computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, cables and some software). It worked intermittently for several weeks, but soon died. The computer repairman I took it to said it needs a new main board. I also have a collection of software (from a dead IIcx) I'd still like to use - and a new copy of Microsoft Office 4.2.1 (purchased on eBay for the Performa before it died). Would you recommend that I: (a) Get a replacement main board for the Performa (and try to install it myself)? If so, where could I buy one? (b) Get another Performa, because I can be sure it will be compatible with all the other hardware from the yard sale? If so, should I stay with a 630CD - or move up to something better? (c) Get a newer/more powerful Mac? If so, what's the newest, most powerful Mac and OS that would still run the IIcx software and Office 4.2.1? (d) Give up on all this and starting all over again with a PC? If so, do you know of any yard sales this weekend? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanx! -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
David: Thanks for your response. I tried to open the computer case - unsuccessfully. Any suggestions? If I get it opened, where would I find the pram battery? (Rookies do ask dumb questions, don't they?) Thanx. == - Original Message - From: David Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? First try replacing the pram battery. If the board really is dead, look on eBay for a new one from a 63x, 62xx, 6300, or 6320. Hi. I'm new to the Quadlist (and still a computer rookie), so I hope these aren't really dumb questions. I've already reviewed the FAQs and didn't find answers (but may have overlooked something). Awhile back I bought a Performa 630CD system at a yard sale (computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, cables and some software). It worked intermittently for several weeks, but soon died. The computer repairman I took it to said it needs a new main board. I also have a collection of software (from a dead IIcx) I'd still like to use - and a new copy of Microsoft Office 4.2.1 (purchased on eBay for the Performa before it died). Would you recommend that I: (a) Get a replacement main board for the Performa (and try to install it myself)? If so, where could I buy one? (b) Get another Performa, because I can be sure it will be compatible with all the other hardware from the yard sale? If so, should I stay with a 630CD - or move up to something better? (c) Get a newer/more powerful Mac? If so, what's the newest, most powerful Mac and OS that would still run the IIcx software and Office 4.2.1? (d) Give up on all this and starting all over again with a PC? If so, do you know of any yard sales this weekend? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanx! -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
All Performas are not created equal. They're all a little different in a lot of ways, so just buying another Performa wouldn't necessarily be safe. As it turns out, the 630 is basically the same case as the 6200/6300 so it'll drop right in without a hassle. The 630CD is already essentially a Quadra, it has a 68LC040 that could be swapped with a 68040, making it a full Quadra. In fact, there is a Quadra 630 that is the same machine, more or less. Scott Holder -Original Message- From: Quadlist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchells Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:11 PM To: Quadlist Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? RA: Thanks for your response and suggestions. Someone else suggested checking the Pram battery. But I tried to open up the computer case and wasn't sure how to. Any suggestions? Maybe I can get another Performa on EBay. Is a 6300 enough like a 630 that it would still run the IIcx software and Office 4.2? Could I get a Quadra - or something else more powerful? Thanx, R -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Scott: I followed your directions and it came right out! Thanks! So now where can I get a replacement? Thanx, RM- == - Original Message - From: Scott Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? The motherboard of the 630 is one of the easiest to get to. Take off the back panel, and you'll see two screws on the sides and a little handle. Undo the two screws, unclip the handle, and give it a pull. The motherboard will slide out. Scott Holder -Original Message- From: Quadlist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchells Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:03 PM To: Quadlist Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? David: Thanks for your response. I tried to open the computer case - unsuccessfully. Any suggestions? If I get it opened, where would I find the pram battery? (Rookies do ask dumb questions, don't they?) Thanx. == -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
On the other hand it's an SOB getting into the rest of the case - like if you want to clean the dust bunnies from the floppy drive or put in a bigger hard drive. :-( Definitely check the PRAM battery before you do anything else. If the battery is a Tadiran (purple-pink with black markings) it will have a date stamped on it. If the date is over about six years ago or if the battery voltage is below about 2.8 volts, the battery should be replaced. Suitable replacements can be found at RadioShack or Batteries Plus. Sp00ky The motherboard of the 630 is one of the easiest to get to. Take off the back panel, and you'll see two screws on the sides and a little handle. Undo the two screws, unclip the handle, and give it a pull. The motherboard will slide out. Scott Holder -Original Message- David: Thanks for your response. I tried to open the computer case - unsuccessfully. Any suggestions? If I get it opened, where would I find the pram battery? (Rookies do ask dumb questions, don't they?) Thanx. == Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
The battery is the largeish box stuck to the motherboard with velcro. If there isn't one, where the square of velro is with a four-pin connector near it (space for four pins, one will be missing) is where the battery should be. The best two places to get a motherboard would be eBay and the swap list, though probably in reverse that order. Swap List is generally preferred. Hope this helps :) Scott Holder -Original Message- From: Quadlist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchells Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:24 PM To: Quadlist Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? Sp00ky: Thanks for the info. Do I have to open the case to get to the battery? If so, any suggestions? Thanx, RM- -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
Replacement batteries are immediately available from RadioShack or Batteries Plus. Many are sold on eBay, but watch out for bargain out-of-date or end-of-shelf-life offerings. Replacement CPUs are available from my favorite eBay merchant, olde-mac-milt. Write to him directly from one of his auction pages. [Disclaimer: I have no relationship with olde-mac-milt other than that of being a very satisfied customer.] Sp00ky Scott: I followed your directions and it came right out! Thanks! So now where can I get a replacement? Thanx, RM- == - Original Message - From: Scott Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? The motherboard of the 630 is one of the easiest to get to. Take off the back panel, and you'll see two screws on the sides and a little handle. Undo the two screws, unclip the handle, and give it a pull. The motherboard will slide out. Scott Holder Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
The board you have is a 68040, you should see the chip on the board rather prominently. Yes, it would fit, as the 630 itself is a 68(LC)040 board. If you use any software that wants/needs an FPU, it would be a worthwhile upgrade. It should run all the software fine, at least, I can't think of any reason it shouldn't. Scott Holder -Original Message- From: Quadlist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchells Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:28 PM To: Quadlist Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? Scott: So if I got a 68040 motherboard from someplace: 1. it would fit; and 2. it would run the IIcx and Office 4.2 software? Thanx, RM- -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
Scott: Yep, the battery's right where you said it was (attached with velcro). You've done this before, right? So I'll get a new battery, plug it in and try to fire the computer up. If is still doesn't work, I should try to get another mother board, right? Is the swap list accessible via the Quadlist? Is it part of LEM? Thanx again, RM- = - Original Message - From: Scott Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? The battery is the largeish box stuck to the motherboard with velcro. If there isn't one, where the square of velro is with a four-pin connector near it (space for four pins, one will be missing) is where the battery should be. The best two places to get a motherboard would be eBay and the swap list, though probably in reverse that order. Swap List is generally preferred. Hope this helps :) Scott Holder -Original Message- From: Quadlist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchells Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:24 PM To: Quadlist Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? Sp00ky: Thanks for the info. Do I have to open the case to get to the battery? If so, any suggestions? Thanx, RM- -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Scott: Yes, the chips has 68LC040 in the middle of the other numbers. But I'm not familiar with FPU (sorry). If I wanted to upgrade, how would I do that? (That's probably in the FAQs, right?) Thanx, RM- - Original Message - From: Scott Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? The board you have is a 68040, you should see the chip on the board rather prominently. Yes, it would fit, as the 630 itself is a 68(LC)040 board. If you use any software that wants/needs an FPU, it would be a worthwhile upgrade. It should run all the software fine, at least, I can't think of any reason it shouldn't. Scott Holder -Original Message- From: Quadlist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchells Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:28 PM To: Quadlist Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? Scott: So if I got a 68040 motherboard from someplace: 1. it would fit; and 2. it would run the IIcx and Office 4.2 software? Thanx, RM- -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Performa or Something Else?
RA: I'll do some diagnostics and see if I get a boot chime. But I may need to get back to you a MoBo. Thanx, RM - - Original Message - From: R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? on 10/4/02 3:10 PM, Mitchells at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 631 or 636 board, I forget which and a suspect 6200 board that you can have both for $6 plus freight. That would be a cheap way to get into tinkering with the innards of the machine. The back has a plastic lower piece that snaps out, then you remove two screws, lift the wire bale and pull the MoBo straight back. Put your index and next finger in the bale and your thumb against the upper portion of the back. It takes a little force (make sure you have the right two screws removed) and the board comes right out. the battery has a connector that you can pull loose and see if the clock still works, but that is of r later. The battery is in all probability velcroed to the board. A little scary the first time you remove it, but a piece of cake after that. Don't worry about a battery till you get the machine to boot. Do you get a boot chime when you hit the button? I don't know abot running the software you want to run. There is a difference between 68k code and PPC code, but that all get away from me. I don't know what you paid for the 630 or what you paid the tech to tell you the Mobo was dead, but don't pay a lot for anything to do with a 630. The p-ream battery for one is going to be about $12 and that is about as much as a 630 is worth. So, you have to be a little judicious to avoid getting caught up in a good-money-after-bad situation. Thanks for your response and suggestions. Someone else suggested checking the Pram battery. But I tried to open up the computer case and wasn't sure how to. Any suggestions? Maybe I can get another Performa on EBay. Is a 6300 enough like a 630 that it would still run the IIcx software and Office 4.2? Could I get a Quadra - or something else more powerful? Thanx, RM- -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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A couple of observations, R.A.: [...snip...] Don't worry about a battery till you get the machine to boot. Do you get a boot chime when you hit the button? I'm not sure about the 630CD, but some Macs won't start up properly or recognize and light up the display if the PRAM battery is shot. Can anyone provide more details? [...snip...] I don't know what you paid for the 630 or what you paid the tech to tell you the Mobo was dead, but don't pay a lot for anything to do with a 630. The p-ream battery for one is going to be about $12 and that is about as much as a 630 is worth. So, you have to be a little judicious to avoid getting caught up in a good-money-after-bad situation. I agree with your comment about getting caught up in a good-money-after-bad situation, but disagree with your evaluation of the worth of the 630CD. In a purely dollars-and-cents market situation, you could be right, but for a new computer user, the worth is in the ability to do basic word processing, to send and receive email, and to browse the web. For this purpose, the 630CD (loaded with OS 7.x, AppleWorks 5, Eudora, and Netscape) is perfect and well worth several $25 upgrades (CPU, memory, comm slot modem or ethernet board) to make it maximally performant within its design specs. It's definitely less expensive than Dude, you're getting a Dull! ;-) Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Quadlist Folks: Sorry about that - I hit Reply (rather than Reply to All) thinking (mistakenly) that would be off-line. Oh well, next time... RM- = - Original Message - From: R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? on 10/4/02 3:33 PM, R.A. Cantrell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 631 or 636 board, I forget which and a suspect 6200 board that you can have both for $6 plus freight. Damn, I though he had e'd me offlist and I just responded via reply, sorry list -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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You can contact Olde Mac Milt through eBay or you can send email to him directly at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recommend that you look for some of his auctions on eBay and read the voluminous material he provides there before writing him directly; it will save you both a lot of time. By the way, when he sent me some of the upgrade parts for my 630CD he included detailed instructions for completely disassembling the 630CD case. Really a super eBay dealer. Sp00ky Sp00ky: Thanks for the advice. How can I contact olde-mac-milt? Thru EBay? RM- == - Original Message - From: Spiritus ex Machina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? Whether or not you choose to swap out the CPU, you should definitely max out the RAM. Adding RAM is the fastest, cheapest, and easiest way to boost the performance of system. Check with olde-mac-milt and he will see to it that you get the correct RAM stick for the 630CD (I know this because he provided the CPU and RAM upgrades for MY 630CD). Sp00ky Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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tafkar: Thank for the info and advice. I think I'll try to get this Performa up and running. All I really need is some of the basics If I got a PCI Mac 7500 with an OS 7 to 9, would it run the software I have (from a IIcx and Office 4.2)? Would EBay have one at a reasonable price? Thanx, RM- === - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Performa or Something Else? on 10/4/02 1:10 PM, Mitchells at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a 6300 enough like a 630 that it would still run the IIcx software and Office 4.2? Could I get a Quadra - or something else more powerful? Whether a program will work depends on the compatability of the particular software with the System software. I doubt there would be any problems if you use any Mac system from versions 7 through 9. If you upgrade the Performa with a PowerMac motherboard, like the 6200 or 6300 series, you will need to make sure you have a system software installer compatible with those machines. If you don't already have it, System 7.5.3 can be downloaded from Apple. I would agree with the lister who recommended trying a new PRAM battery. A bad battery can cause all kinds of funky symptoms in these Performas. If you decide to upgrade the motherboard, you'll probably need a new battery anyway. Personally, I wouldn't spend much of anything trying to upgrade or salvage that machine. PCI Macs, such as the 7500, are so cheap and so much superior to the Performa that there is no comparison. However, practically nothing from the 630 could be used in a PCI Mac, so you'd be starting from scratch. If you decide to try a motherboard swap, you may be in luck. I just upgraded a 6200 to a 6500, so now I have a useless 6200 motherboard. I'll sell it for $10 plus shipping. The 6360 motherboard is much superior to the 6200, but the RAM would not be interchangeable, and they are much harder to find. It's interesting that all the Performas from the 630 to the 6500 (which wan't actually called a Performa) have the same motherboard configuration. It makes me think that the 6500 motherboard might also work in the 630. Has anyone heard of this being done? tafkar -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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CPU - Central Processing Unit - Used for all general-purpose processing in a system FPU - Floating Point Unit - Used for special handling of floating-point arithmetic instructions Some CPUs have an FPU built in (e.g., 68040), some do not (e.g., 68LC040). In the latter case, the floating-point computations must be emulated in software (much slower) or a separate FPU must be provided in some fashion. Some Mac mainboards have an FPU socket, some Mac add-on boards have an FPU socket. Easiest is to use a CPU with a built-in FPU whenever possible. Sp00ky Scott: Yes, the chips has 68LC040 in the middle of the other numbers. But I'm not familiar with FPU (sorry). If I wanted to upgrade, how would I do that? (That's probably in the FAQs, right?) Thanx, RM- Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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on 10/4/02 4:16 PM, Spiritus ex Machina at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. Reverse paranoia: you think you are following someone all the time. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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on 10/4/02 3:57 PM, Spiritus ex Machina at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For this purpose, the 630CD (loaded with OS 7.x, AppleWorks 5, Eudora, and Netscape) is perfect and well worth several $25 upgrades (CPU, memory, comm slot modem or ethernet board) to make it maximally performant within its design specs. It's definitely less expensive than Dude, you're getting a Dull! ;-) I agree with your sentiment, but the particulars are a little off. Several (3) 25 buck bumps would be enough to get a good 7600, which would be drastically better than a 630 even if it were pretty spiffed. I get torqued about the cost of the batteries. I *think* that the 630 will run with no battery at all, but I could not say for sure. The $12 I put into a battery got me started and I didn't stop till every port on the back of the 6300 had something sticking out of it. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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The $12 I put into a battery got me started and I didn't stop till every port on the back of the 6300 had something sticking out of it. -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell :-) Lessee - microphone, speakers, comm slot (Ethernet), display, ADB, printer (LocalTalk/AppleTalk), modem (local printer), ... I've still got the SCSI port, the PDA slot, and 3 RCA sockets. Better get to work. Sp00ky -- Spiritus ex Machina No matter how paranoid you are, it isn't paranoid enough. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 03:00 PM 10/4/2002, R.A. Cantrell typed thusly: about the cost of the batteries. I *think* that the 630 will run with no I have a few 63x's here, some have good batteries, some have dead ones, the dead ones start and give the Date and time are incorrect message and do the Time Warp back to 1956... got me started and I didn't stop till every port on the back of the 6300 had something sticking out of it. Heh. I'm doing the same thing cheaply - stripping a pile of 63x's to bump one up. I'm about to replace the 631 I'm currently using as a TV, which also had the network card in it from another machine, with a 640 (with 486 built in) to play some older DOS games... Syndicate and Subwar should work well. g So, when I'm finished, I should have: DOS card and DOS joystick port (no multi-head adaptors needed.) TV/Video connectors (one S-video, and the RCA threesome for video, and L/R sound) 10baseT network connector The usual array of Mac connectors. I can pretty much bet most will be filled, too... speakers, mic, printer, TV, network cable, the works. -Eric -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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on 10/4/02 5:26 PM, E McCann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh. I'm doing the same thing cheaply - stripping a pile of 63x's to bump one up. I'm about to replace the 631 I'm currently using as a TV, which also had the network card in it from another machine, with a 640 (with 486 built in) to play some older DOS games... Syndicate and Subwar should work well. g You have the External Video Kit? -- All the best, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml The FAQ:http://macfaq.org/ Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
