Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[Jim Pendarvis]

>David:
>
>I have two 20" SuperMac monitors here I bought at auction that use those
>three RGB connectors to plug into the monitor. But that's it. The
>opposite end of the cable fits the Mac's monitor port or the connector
>for the SuperMac video card.
>
>Last summer, I had a high-priced "surge suppressor" that failed during a
>thunderstorm. That monitor got cooked. It's in a closet to this day. For
>some reason I can't bring myself to dispose of it.
>

I just bought a new "surge suppressor". What I actually needed was more
outlets, so the suppression part is just a bonus. But it does include an
equipment guarantee of (up to) $100,000 in case of damage "due to momentary
spikes or surges". Among the exceptions is a specific exclusion for
lightning, because this product is a "surge supressor" not a "lighning
arrestor".

I'm sure this distinction comes from their legal department and likely
reduces the number of claims substantially. But it defintely runs counter
to the common advice for protecting your equipment from thunderstorms.

jim





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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[Allen Davis]

Kyle Kinsey wrote:
> 
> >Lots of really old pro monitors (For CAD/CAM applications) used RGB
> >connectors. They were 'coax'-looking jacks of the type also used by
> >so-called 'Thinnet', an Ethernet technology predating 10BT and RJ-45
> >connectors.
> 
> they are called BNC connectors.

Kyle, YOU DA MAN!!! Yes!!! I couldn't remember what they were called!
You hit it on the head!
> 
> >Usually, a monitor had three of these jacks, one for R, one B, and one G.
> >Different video cards used any number of connectors, (VGA, DB15, coax,
> >sometimes even DB25, I think.) along with the appropriate adaptor cable, to
> >split a video signal into those three channels.

I had to buy a weird little adapter with like 9 DIP switches on it to
get that monitor to work. In fact, I had to buy another one to get the
SuperMac 20" monitor I spoke of in another message to communicate with
my PPC Macs and their Rage video cards!

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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[Allen Davis]

David:

I have two 20" SuperMac monitors here I bought at auction that use those
three RGB connectors to plug into the monitor. But that's it. The
opposite end of the cable fits the Mac's monitor port or the connector
for the SuperMac video card.

Last summer, I had a high-priced "surge suppressor" that failed during a
thunderstorm. That monitor got cooked. It's in a closet to this day. For
some reason I can't bring myself to dispose of it.

My other one is sitting on the floor by my feet. And has been for six
months. It has a mysterious short in its power switch. This puppy will
sit there for another 12 months before I work up the courage to crack
its case open and replace the faulty power switch.

I know how to discharge a throwback transformer. But it's such a
distrubing experience, I'd rather wait until the capacitors, etc., have
a chance to "cool down" voltage-wise. It's a difficult wait; almost like
waiting for radioactive waste to reach its half-life!!! Hearing that
loud *POP* is almost as loud as a .38 Spl. snubnose revolver going off
at close quarters. I know because I've done it before.

I had a double-page display monitor at one time (B/W only as it turned
out -- NOT grayscale) that had only a "coax" input into it. I gave $3
for it at auction, but ended up paying a landfill fee for it. It
required a proprietary video card, which the idiots I bought the thing
from didn't know about or mention.

What I NEED is Pickle's "Knowledge Database" before I ever go to another
auction! That, or hunt him down and drag him along with me! ;-)

Allen
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David Pierce wrote:
> 
> It occurs to me that if none of us can remember this thing, it has to be
> realy old. If it's really old and has 8 MBs of VRAM, it must have been
> really expensive.
> 
> Lots of really old pro monitors (For CAD/CAM applications) used RGB
> connectors. They were 'coax'-looking jacks of the type also used by
> so-called 'Thinnet', an Ethernet technology predating 10BT and RJ-45
> connectors.
> 
> Usually, a monitor had three of these jacks, one for R, one B, and one G.
> Different video cards used any number of connectors, (VGA, DB15, coax,
> sometimes even DB25, I think.) along with the appropriate adaptor cable, to
> split a video signal into those three channels.
> 
> This mysterious plug is probably an extension of that, possibly for color
> correction.

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

I suppose I could take a picture of it with my old Kodak DC-480 digital
camera, but I'm not a very good photographer where taking macro-type
pics are concerned. I'll TRY to get to it tonight, but I won't promise.
Tomorrow I have my granddaughter for the weekend, so I'm booked. After
that, I might forget -- so remind me.

Allen

the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 20:29 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> >Please see my previous reply.
> 
> If you can scan that card, or get a photo of it, I'd be very interested.
> Asanté made lots of networking gear but this is the first instance of a video
> card from them that I'm aware of.
> --
> 
> the pickle

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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[the pickle]

At 14:59 -0700 on 16/08/02, Ed Murphy wrote:

>--- David Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>For "* 1600x1200 up to 24-bit (1600 only)" to be true, the 1600 at
>> least
>> >>would have had to have more than 4 MBs of SGRAM.
>> >
>> >Yet it doesn't.  Strange, huh?
>>
>> Not so strange, at least ssuming you're right. Although 5.5 MBs of
>> memory
>> is required to store a 1600x1200 bitmap, the card just has to draw a
>> portion of the image to the screen each time it refreshes memory. Cut
>> in
>> half, it could theoreticlly get by with 3 MBs of VRAM.
>
>As long as we're guessing, my guess is that the card does not do 24 bit
>at it's maximum resolution.  If it could only do 16bit at 1600x1200,
>that would take just under 4mb.  The phrase "1600x1200 up to 24 bit"
>should be taken as two separate statements; it can do 1600x1200, it can
>do up to 24 bit.  Probably not both at the same time.

The Thunder IV GX 1600 can do 1600x1200 @ 24-bit.
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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[Ed Murphy]

--- David Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>For "* 1600x1200 up to 24-bit (1600 only)" to be true, the 1600 at
> least
> >>would have had to have more than 4 MBs of SGRAM.
> >
> >Yet it doesn't.  Strange, huh?
> 
> Not so strange, at least ssuming you're right. Although 5.5 MBs of
> memory
> is required to store a 1600x1200 bitmap, the card just has to draw a
> portion of the image to the screen each time it refreshes memory. Cut
> in
> half, it could theoreticlly get by with 3 MBs of VRAM.

As long as we're guessing, my guess is that the card does not do 24 bit
at it's maximum resolution.  If it could only do 16bit at 1600x1200,
that would take just under 4mb.  The phrase "1600x1200 up to 24 bit"
should be taken as two separate statements; it can do 1600x1200, it can
do up to 24 bit.  Probably not both at the same time.




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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[the pickle]

At 13:45 -0400 on 16/08/02, David Pierce wrote:

>>>For "* 1600x1200 up to 24-bit (1600 only)" to be true, the 1600 at least
>>>would have had to have more than 4 MBs of SGRAM.
>>
>>Yet it doesn't.  Strange, huh?
>
>Not so strange, at least ssuming you're right. Although 5.5 MBs of memory
>is required to store a 1600x1200 bitmap, the card just has to draw a
>portion of the image to the screen each time it refreshes memory. Cut in
>half, it could theoreticlly get by with 3 MBs of VRAM.

Which is exactly what it has :)

>The real question is, why the heck would a bunch of engineers designing a
>$3000 video card to eek every last shred of Photoshop performance out of a
>Quadra 950 or Powermac 8100 have done that? It's phenomenally stupid.

Probably because putting 6MB of RAM on it would have cost another $1000 or 2...

>Everymac.com is alone in stating that the Radius System 100 (A NuBus Power
>Mac Clone) had 8 MBs of VRAM.
>http://www.everymac.com/systems/radius/system/system100.html
>
>You'll probably say they're wrong, of course, but that's my point - nobody

It had a Thunder IV GX 1600 in it, and I know that only had 3MB, so Everymac
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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[David Pierce]

>>For "* 1600x1200 up to 24-bit (1600 only)" to be true, the 1600 at least
>>would have had to have more than 4 MBs of SGRAM.
>
>Yet it doesn't.  Strange, huh?

Not so strange, at least ssuming you're right. Although 5.5 MBs of memory
is required to store a 1600x1200 bitmap, the card just has to draw a
portion of the image to the screen each time it refreshes memory. Cut in
half, it could theoreticlly get by with 3 MBs of VRAM.

With 80 ns memory, it's running way faster than the monitor's refresh rate
anyway, and the card's CPU is already handling timing. Weird things happen
when you draw to a monitor when it's halfway done refreshing, or so I'm
told.

The real question is, why the heck would a bunch of engineers designing a
$3000 video card to eek every last shred of Photoshop performance out of a
Quadra 950 or Powermac 8100 have done that? It's phenomenally stupid.

Unfortunately, there's really not enough information on the web to verify
anything, now that Radiusvintage is gone.

Everymac.com is alone in stating that the Radius System 100 (A NuBus Power
Mac Clone) had 8 MBs of VRAM.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/radius/system/system100.html

You'll probably say they're wrong, of course, but that's my point - nobody
has a definitive answer. MacUser's toast, MacWorld doesn't archive stuff
that old... *sigh*

All anybody has is the conviction that they remember correctly.

-Dave



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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[the pickle]

At 11:58 -0400 on 16/08/02, David Pierce wrote:

>>>cards have 128 or even 256 MBs of memory on them now. Either way, if a 4 MB
>>>card can exist, so can an 8 MB one - it's up to whoever designed the card.
>>
>>It could, but it never did.
>
>what about http://lowendmac.com/video/thunder4gx.html ?
>
>For "* 1600x1200 up to 24-bit (1600 only)" to be true, the 1600 at least
>would have had to have more than 4 MBs of SGRAM.

Yet it doesn't.  Strange, huh?
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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[David Pierce]

>>cards have 128 or even 256 MBs of memory on them now. Either way, if a 4 MB
>>card can exist, so can an 8 MB one - it's up to whoever designed the card.
>
>It could, but it never did.

what about http://lowendmac.com/video/thunder4gx.html ?

For "* 1600x1200 up to 24-bit (1600 only)" to be true, the 1600 at least
would have had to have more than 4 MBs of SGRAM.



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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[the pickle]

At 11:34 -0400 on 16/08/02, David Pierce wrote:

>I don't speak in absolutes - it' too easy to be proven wrong. Besides, I

I don't speak in absolutes unless I know I'm right :)

>A pure 16-bit system can only address 128 KB of memory anyway, so there has
>to be some kind of kludge used for NuBus video cards. If I'm incorrect and
>NuBus is 32-bit, then I should point out that AGP is also 32bit, and those

It is.

>cards have 128 or even 256 MBs of memory on them now. Either way, if a 4 MB
>card can exist, so can an 8 MB one - it's up to whoever designed the card.

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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[David Pierce]

>At 11:04 -0400 on 16/08/02, David Pierce wrote:
>
>>It occurs to me that if none of us can remember this thing, it has to be
>>realy old. If it's really old and has 8 MBs of VRAM, it must have been
>
>There aren't *any* NuBus video cards with more than 4MB.
>--

I don't speak in absolutes - it' too easy to be proven wrong. Besides, I
can only go on what _he_ says about the card.

"I just kept scratching my head and wondering what the heck the "cable"
connector was for. You may not even want this card. From what I can
tell, I think it only has 8-MB of VRAM installed on it, and it's all
soldered to the card." - Allen Davis

A pure 16-bit system can only address 128 KB of memory anyway, so there has
to be some kind of kludge used for NuBus video cards. If I'm incorrect and
NuBus is 32-bit, then I should point out that AGP is also 32bit, and those
cards have 128 or even 256 MBs of memory on them now. Either way, if a 4 MB
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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[Kyle Kinsey]

>Lots of really old pro monitors (For CAD/CAM applications) used RGB
>connectors. They were 'coax'-looking jacks of the type also used by
>so-called 'Thinnet', an Ethernet technology predating 10BT and RJ-45
>connectors.

they are called BNC connectors.

>Usually, a monitor had three of these jacks, one for R, one B, and one G.
>Different video cards used any number of connectors, (VGA, DB15, coax,
>sometimes even DB25, I think.) along with the appropriate adaptor cable, to
>split a video signal into those three channels.
>

Actually there were also 5 BNC connectors for even better picture quality,
on those the sync was transmitted seperatly too)
Has a monitor with such input but it blew up last year ;-)


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Re: Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[the pickle]

At 11:04 -0400 on 16/08/02, David Pierce wrote:

>It occurs to me that if none of us can remember this thing, it has to be
>realy old. If it's really old and has 8 MBs of VRAM, it must have been

There aren't *any* NuBus video cards with more than 4MB.
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Asante Video Card? (Was Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK)

[David Pierce]

It occurs to me that if none of us can remember this thing, it has to be
realy old. If it's really old and has 8 MBs of VRAM, it must have been
really expensive.

Lots of really old pro monitors (For CAD/CAM applications) used RGB
connectors. They were 'coax'-looking jacks of the type also used by
so-called 'Thinnet', an Ethernet technology predating 10BT and RJ-45
connectors.

Usually, a monitor had three of these jacks, one for R, one B, and one G.
Different video cards used any number of connectors, (VGA, DB15, coax,
sometimes even DB25, I think.) along with the appropriate adaptor cable, to
split a video signal into those three channels.

This mysterious plug is probably an extension of that, possibly for color
correction.

OT: The old lab of 486s in the Computer Science department my Freshman year
used Thinnet. Apple's AAUI technology was adopted because it enabled the
user to purchase any kind of tranciever they wanted - 10BT, Thinnet, or
whatever was about to be invented - and use it with a single 'Ethernet'
jack on their computer. It probably cut Apple's costs considerably, as
there were at least three competing formats at the time, if memory serves.

-David

>When I brought the beast home, I also had a trunk-full of those old 14"
>Apple color monitors. I hooked one up to the machine this particlar card
>was installed in. The video worked perfectly.
>
>I just kept scratching my head and wondering what the heck the "cable"
>connector was for. You may not even want this card. From what I can
>tell, I think it only has 8-MB of VRAM installed on it, and it's all
>soldered to the card.
>
>The circuit board is clearly marked on the upper-right-hand corner,
>"Asante Technologies, Inc."
>
>This card has 4 relatively large disk-type capacitors and some HUGE
>diodes (by today's standards). Upon really close inspection (under mild
>magification) I see this card actually has two small adjustable
>resistors (potentiometers). I have no clue about this card other than it
>will drive a 13"-15" monitor.
>
>Allen



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At 20:29 -0500 on 15/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>Please see my previous reply.

If you can scan that card, or get a photo of it, I'd be very interested.
Asanté made lots of networking gear but this is the first instance of a video
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

Please see my previous reply.

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the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 22:26 -0400 on 14/08/02, william ahearn wrote:
> 
> >Allen Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
> >> have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
> >> card??? I don't think so.
> >
> >Let me understand this. You have attached a video
> >monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.
> 
> AUI is a DB-15; he said it had a coax plug, and if it was made by SuperMac,
> there's little chance it's anything *but* a video card.  However, if it was
> made by anyone other than SuperMac, Radius, or RasterOps, it's more likely a
> networking card.
> 
> >AAUI is Apple's version of it which was standard during
> >the quad/PCI era. No, I don't think there was a combo
> >ethernet/video nubus card. I don't think so either.
> 
> E-Machines made several.
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[Allen Davis]

william ahearn wrote:
> 
> Allen Davis wrote:
> >
> > I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
> > have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
> > card??? I don't think so.
> 
> Let me understand this. You have attached a video
> monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.
> AAUI is Apple's version of it which was standard during
> the quad/PCI era. No, I don't think there was a combo
> ethernet/video nubus card. I don't think so either.

When I brought the beast home, I also had a trunk-full of those old 14"
Apple color monitors. I hooked one up to the machine this particlar card
was installed in. The video worked perfectly.

I just kept scratching my head and wondering what the heck the "cable"
connector was for. You may not even want this card. From what I can
tell, I think it only has 8-MB of VRAM installed on it, and it's all
soldered to the card.

The circuit board is clearly marked on the upper-right-hand corner,
"Asante Technologies, Inc."

This card has 4 relatively large disk-type capacitors and some HUGE
diodes (by today's standards). Upon really close inspection (under mild
magification) I see this card actually has two small adjustable
resistors (potentiometers). I have no clue about this card other than it
will drive a 13"-15" monitor.

Allen
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

>I can't remember, but will System 6.0.8 run on a 512Ke??? I know it
>won't boot from its hard drive (an ancient HD-20). Probably have to
>stick to System 5.3 or whatever it is I already have for it.
>
>Allen

A stripped System 6.0.8 System Folder _should_ fit on a 400k floppy, or at
least an 800k - does the 512ke have an 800 FDD? Can't remember... - and it
uses about 380k of memory on my Plus, so I would guess it would work, in a
roundabout sort of fashion (boot from floppy, access files on HD.)



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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[william ahearn]

the pickle wrote:
> 
> At 22:26 -0400 on 14/08/02, william ahearn wrote:
> 
> >Allen Davis wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
> >> have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
> >> card??? I don't think so.
> >
> >Let me understand this. You have attached a video
> >monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.
> 
> AUI is a DB-15; he said it had a coax plug, and if it was made by SuperMac,
> there's little chance it's anything *but* a video card.  However, if it was
> made by anyone other than SuperMac, Radius, or RasterOps, it's more likely a
> networking card.
> 
Didn't he say it "also" had a coax plug? So what are
you really saying?

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[the pickle]

At 22:26 -0400 on 14/08/02, william ahearn wrote:

>Allen Davis wrote:
>>
>> I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
>> have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
>> card??? I don't think so.
>
>Let me understand this. You have attached a video
>monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.

AUI is a DB-15; he said it had a coax plug, and if it was made by SuperMac,
there's little chance it's anything *but* a video card.  However, if it was
made by anyone other than SuperMac, Radius, or RasterOps, it's more likely a
networking card.

>AAUI is Apple's version of it which was standard during
>the quad/PCI era. No, I don't think there was a combo
>ethernet/video nubus card. I don't think so either.

E-Machines made several.
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[william ahearn]

Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
> have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
> card??? I don't think so. 

Let me understand this. You have attached a video
monitor to it? AUI is an ancient form of networking.
AAUI is Apple's version of it which was standard during
the quad/PCI era. No, I don't think there was a combo
ethernet/video nubus card. I don't think so either.

William

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

I thought I was "up" on Mac video stuff, but this card is ancient. I
have no clue about "AUI." Is it possible that its a combo video/ethernet
card??? I don't think so. I think it just supports a two-page B/W
display IF you have the supporting software, which I don't have.

I've paid a great deal of money already to dump B/W-only monitors and
their video cards, and they were in perfectly good working order. The
video cards involved required specific, proprietary software, which I
couldn't find, and didn't think any would want. Maybe I was wrong.

This card in question is the strangest I own and know that still works.
Plug in a color monitor (if it's from Apple) and it runs. Thousands of
colors only. Nothing to write home to Mom about.

Allen
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> 
> Allen Davis wrote:
> >
> > David:
> >
> 
> > Incidentally, I've accumulated almost a dozen NuBus video cards that I
> > don't need. Sigma, SuperMac and Radius. One's a real odd-ball. It has a
> > regular video connector, plus something that looks like it accepts a
> > coaxial cable.
> 
> You sure that "video" connector isn't AUI?
> 
> William
> JMUG-Connect
> 
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 8/13/2002 23:12:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Besides, like I said before, I do get a kick out of refurbishing old
> Macs that don't cost me much, fix 'em up, rev 'em up as much as I can
> and sell 'em CHEAP to disadvantaged people I discover who want a
> computer but can't afford one. I've made more than a few Mac fans out of
> a lot of people. To me, it's one of the best ways to evangelize the Mac
> platform.
>  >>
> 
> That's why I read reports about buggy OSX with glee. The old systems, esp. 7,
> were pretty good, to me. Old PCs are really, really useless!

I'm sorry to hear that you felt that OS X was buggy initially. Our IT
department began beta testing it last year and let me participate. I
really like "Jaguar" (OS X 10.2). It's very zippy and has some really
coool features. My only gripe is that I can't run it all the time
because not all my apps at work are OS X-native .

About all I've got to work with in Jaguar is Photoshop 7.0 and
Illustrator 10. Whenever I need to use Pagemaker or Multi-Ad Creator,
it's a sure thing that I have to just boot up in OS 9.2 -- NOT Classic
mode. That will guarantee a crash.

Besides, the IT guys are scared to death someone else may need to use my
machine if I'm not there, and my boss would excrete a concrete chicken
in her ample panties if she sat down at my Mac and found OS X staring
her in the face. There'd certainly be something more serious than a
"kernal panic" if that happened!!!

Like you, however, I think there's plenty of life left in System 7.6 and
OS 8.5 & 8.6. For System Software older than that, it's okay if you're
using a Plus, SE or Classic.

I can't remember, but will System 6.0.8 run on a 512Ke??? I know it
won't boot from its hard drive (an ancient HD-20). Probably have to
stick to System 5.3 or whatever it is I already have for it.

Allen
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[william ahearn]

Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> David:
> 

> Incidentally, I've accumulated almost a dozen NuBus video cards that I
> don't need. Sigma, SuperMac and Radius. One's a real odd-ball. It has a
> regular video connector, plus something that looks like it accepts a
> coaxial cable. 

You sure that "video" connector isn't AUI?

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

David:

Yes, I was lucky. Buying old Macs from IU is sometimes like Forrest
Gump's box of chocolate: you never know what you're going to get.

Incidentally, I've accumulated almost a dozen NuBus video cards that I
don't need. Sigma, SuperMac and Radius. One's a real odd-ball. It has a
regular video connector, plus something that looks like it accepts a
coaxial cable. Hmmm. If anyone's interested, they can have them for the
cost of postage. Oh, yeah, I've got a couple of cache cards for the Mac
IIci. Same deal. First come, first served.

BTW, I know all this stuff works. It's just leftover stuff I have no
where to put. I'm sharply curtailing my wheeling-n-dealing in old Macs
for the foreseeable future because my freelance business has gotten so
hectic I don't have time for it anymore.

Allen
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> You are one lucky dude. I wish I could 'find' expensive computer equipment.

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Veritas88]

In a message dated 8/13/2002 23:12:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Besides, like I said before, I do get a kick out of refurbishing old
Macs that don't cost me much, fix 'em up, rev 'em up as much as I can
and sell 'em CHEAP to disadvantaged people I discover who want a
computer but can't afford one. I've made more than a few Mac fans out of
a lot of people. To me, it's one of the best ways to evangelize the Mac 
platform.
 >>

That's why I read reports about buggy OSX with glee. The old systems, esp. 7, 
were pretty good, to me. Old PCs are really, really useless!

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Veritas88]

In a message dated 8/13/2002 20:31:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< At 16:09 -0400 on 13/08/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The disk wouldn't read, and my Norton Utilities called it a "Damaged Disk."

Did it work in other Macs at all? >>

No other Macs, no other PCs. Odd.

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

You are one lucky dude. I wish I could 'find' expensive computer equipment.

> Sorry, I'm not made of money. I completely lucked into the 180-gig SCSI
> disk. I frequent the IU computer auctions and "dump." You can often buy
> an entire palette of supposedly "junk" Macs for $5-$10. It's easy enough
> to piece together at least 4 or 5 working machines, which I then sell
> for $25-$75 each.
> 
> Anyway, I bought a box of four Q840 AVs, and while trying to crank them
> up and popping their covers to explore their innards, lo and behold! I
> FOUND the 180 gig drive inside of one of the boxes. That particular
> machine's motherboard was TOTALLY FRIED.


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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

Sorry, I'm not made of money. I completely lucked into the 180-gig SCSI
disk. I frequent the IU computer auctions and "dump." You can often buy
an entire palette of supposedly "junk" Macs for $5-$10. It's easy enough
to piece together at least 4 or 5 working machines, which I then sell
for $25-$75 each.

Anyway, I bought a box of four Q840 AVs, and while trying to crank them
up and popping their covers to explore their innards, lo and behold! I
FOUND the 180 gig drive inside of one of the boxes. That particular
machine's motherboard was TOTALLY FRIED.

I mentioned that I wish I'd bought a faster hard drive when referring to
it. Duu... I was thinking of a couple of other hard drives I did buy
new. They're also IBM. I didn't mean to dis this HD too much. It was
almost a FREEBIE, after all!

I'd like to buy a new G4 tower. If I had the money to buy an eMac, I
could certainly scrape enough money together for a low-end tower and
have much more horsepower.

Besides, like I said before, I do get a kick out of refurbishing old
Macs that don't cost me much, fix 'em up, rev 'em up as much as I can
and sell 'em CHEAP to disadvantaged people I discover who want a
computer but can't afford one. I've made more than a few Mac fans out of
a lot of people. To me, it's one of the best ways to evangelize the Mac platform.

In addition, my wife LOVES her Q840-AV. The only thing she uses it for
is e-mail, but she seems intrigued by it's audio/video capabilities
(which aren't being used). Take that back, she's got a little Sansui
stereo amp and my Bose 301 speakers hooked up to it, and she uses it for
a CD jukebox while she's doing her freelance work on a Pentium III.
[Don't jump on me for that. She's a Deputy County Recorder who does
freelance title work at home on the side. Her machine has to be a PeeCee
because the software she has to use is proprietary. She hates that
machine, the application, the interface, and the people who cooked up
that crap!]

She was thinking of getting me the G4 tower until I caved and bought the
9600 and souped it up with a G4 processor and other goodies. What I'm
really hoping for at Christmas this year is a set of Peavey drums!!!

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David Pierce wrote:
> 
> >My "new" file server is a Quadra 950 a friend from West Virginia gave to
> >me for the price of shipping. It has 128 megs of RAM, a 2-gig and a
> >180-gig internal hard drive. I also replaced the floppy drive with an
> >internal 24x CD-ROM drive -- much more useful than a floppy, anyway. I
> >also have an external Zip drive attached to it.
> 
> *knocks palm against side of head*
> 
> I'm sorry, did you say 180 GB SCSI Hard Drive?
> 
> Just checked pricewatch, they do exist... but they are at least $999!
> Yikes, why not just buy a new eMac to use as a server. You probably aren't
> kidding when you say "Mac-Poor", but even an eMac could outpace the 9600
> you have, and now we know you have (had?) the $$$.
> 
> *guilt trip*
> 
> Spending money like that on hard drives while your wife chugs away on a
> Quadra? Shame on you. You should buy her an iMac for Christmas, and if you
> don't celebrate Christmas, you should buy her one anyway. :-)
> 
> */guilt trip*
> 
> Yipes.
> 
> -Dave

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Peter Heinemann]

Well, I am not sure if this was already advised by someone here, but: Have
you also tried to swap the floppy drive cable? It is most unlikely that this
cable becomes bad (how?), but try this.

Another question: Have the 840av been accelerated with a faster quarz? I
know  that the 840av has no PDS, but I have (this is just an example) a Q610
that I once accelerated with a 48mHz 68040 PDS card (made by the German firm
"Formac") and: The floppy drives refuses to work when the accelerator card
is on.

About swapping the mobos to get a working floppy controller: The AV
capabilities make the Q840av a "Cult" machine. So.

Peter

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

>My "new" file server is a Quadra 950 a friend from West Virginia gave to
>me for the price of shipping. It has 128 megs of RAM, a 2-gig and a
>180-gig internal hard drive. I also replaced the floppy drive with an
>internal 24x CD-ROM drive -- much more useful than a floppy, anyway. I
>also have an external Zip drive attached to it.

*knocks palm against side of head*

I'm sorry, did you say 180 GB SCSI Hard Drive?

Just checked pricewatch, they do exist... but they are at least $999!
Yikes, why not just buy a new eMac to use as a server. You probably aren't
kidding when you say "Mac-Poor", but even an eMac could outpace the 9600
you have, and now we know you have (had?) the $$$.

*guilt trip*

Spending money like that on hard drives while your wife chugs away on a
Quadra? Shame on you. You should buy her an iMac for Christmas, and if you
don't celebrate Christmas, you should buy her one anyway. :-)

*/guilt trip*

Yipes.

-Dave



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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[the pickle]

At 16:09 -0400 on 13/08/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The disk wouldn't read, and my Norton Utilities called it a "Damaged Disk."

Did it work in other Macs at all?
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

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The disk wouldn't read, and my Norton Utilities called it a "Damaged Disk."

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

>I had a similar episode when I wrote a file to a disk on my 660AV and it
>somehow is now damaged. Odd.

What's damaged, the disk or the drive?



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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

My question is who really needs a floppy drive today, anyway? I mean,
there's the Zip drive, which holds the equivalent of 70 floppies (high
density). How many files can you put on a floppy anyway? I think they're
okay if all you need to do is transfer text files via "sneaker net," but
other than that, floppies should be coasters today.

Sure, I have floppies myself -- boxes and boxes of them. But the only
machines they ever see the inside of are my old 512KE, my Plus or my
Classic -- and then only when I pull them off their decorative
bookshelves to just goof around or kill time.

Killing the AV part of an otherwise perfectly good Q840-AV is
SACRILEGE!!! Jeez, Louise, the AV capabilities FAR OUTWEIGH the
usefulness of a floppy drive!

Just my two cents' worth.

Allen
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> 
> >I have tried three known good floppies in my 840av and none will work. I
> >believe it is a motherboard problem. This is a spare machine but could be
> >useful in a pinch. I have changed out the MB from another 840 and the floppy
> >then works.
> >
> >Anyone know how to get a floppy to work with a MB problem? Is there anything
> >I can try or do to get it to work? Nothing ventured then nothing gained...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Byron
> 
> That would be a dead floppy controller.
> 
> Got a soldering iron?
> 
> If you don't mind losing the AV part, a motherboard from a slightly slower
> Quadra 650 or 800 will also suffice.
> 
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Allen Davis]

Byron:

I have a similar problem that has me scratching my head. I've also got a
Q840-AV that my wife uses as her main Mac here at home. It won't work at
all with ANY floppy drive. I can unplug the floppy drive and it works
just fine. Plug one in, try to boot, and you get the "chimes of death."
I think it's the controller circuitry on the motherboard that's to blame.

I'm one of those people who is constantly "Mac poor." I buy every old
Mac I can find, whether at auction or through want ads. Most of the
time, if I can buy multiple copies of the same model, I'll bring 'em
home, and try to "marry up" all the guts wherever possible to make a
single good machine. Then I sell them to disadvantaged families who'd
like to own a computer but can't afford to buy one. Besides, this is a
darn good way to keep these people from wandering into the PeeCee camp.
In fact, I've even converted a few families away from the Wintel world
to our camp.

Currently, my lineup includes a PowerMac 9600 which has 512 megs of RAM,
a 500 MHz G4 processor from Sonnet, a Rage Orion 128 video card with 32
megs VRAM, a Firewire/USB combo card, a very, very fast 2960 SCSI card,
internal Zip drive, external Jaz drive, 20-gig tape backup drive, and
two internal hard drives -- one is an 18-gig IBM SCSI drive, the other
is an 80-gig drive, also SCSI, and also from IBM. I wish I'd bought
faster drives to take advantage of the speedy SCSI bus I installed.

My "new" file server is a Quadra 950 a friend from West Virginia gave to
me for the price of shipping. It has 128 megs of RAM, a 2-gig and a
180-gig internal hard drive. I also replaced the floppy drive with an
internal 24x CD-ROM drive -- much more useful than a floppy, anyway. I
also have an external Zip drive attached to it.

The Q950 replaced twin Q700s I'd had for eons. Having all my artwork on
one hard drive is so much more convenient and faster than spread across
two separate machines. Besides, the 950 runs circles around the 700s.

I've got a PowerMac 7200 and 7300 in the bedroom closet just sitting
there. I should be kicked really hard in the butt for EVER buying that
7200 dog. Frigging processor (a PPC 601 @ 90 MHz) is soldered to the
motherboard. I know Sonnet makes a G3 and G4 processor upgrade for the
machine, but the muscle and horsepower would be lost on that machine.
The upgrades plug into a PCI slot. Plus the system bus is a joke.

The 7300 is a half-way decent machine. Has the beautiful unfolding
desktop box design, and the processor is easily upgraded. Has a ton of
RAM slots and can use memory interleaving for a nice speed boost.

I've got may 8-10 other Macs in a spare closet. They're mostly Quadra
700s, or Mac II ci models, but I remember having a working Mac II cx as
well (also a dog -- its ROMs weren't 32-bit clean).

I've got my original Mac 512K (E), Plus and Classic adorning the lower
shelf of a bookcase here in my office at home. I fire them up every now
and then. I still love a few of the old games that won't run on a newer
machine. I find it so hard to believe I ever got any work done on them.
I've been using Pagemaker since it was still in beta. I still have
Pagemaker 1.0a installed on the 512K (E) and still have Pagemaker 3.0 on
the Plus, and Pagemaker 4.2 on the Classic.

I'm a recent newcomer to this mailing list, and this is my first post to
it or anyone on the list. I've had a bad case of antique-itis for almost
two years now. There are a ton of perfectly useful Macs out there that
are in danger of being scrapped. A Mac doesn't have to have a PPC chip
to be useful or productive.

I hope I haven't "talked your ear off" completely! :-) I'm just a little
enthused about finding this list. After reading all the posts for the
last several days, I'm convinced you guys are a really great group of
people. Everyone is so eager and willing to help everyone else out they
can. The only other group like that I'm aware of is the bunch I shoot
bowling pins with. You can be in a very heated competition for the lead
with the guy right next to you, but if you have a problem, he's the
first guy there to help you out.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Allen Davis
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Byron Gardner wrote:
> 
> I have tried three known good floppies in my 840av and none will work. I
> believe it is a motherboard problem. This is a spare machine but could be
> useful in a pinch. I have changed out the MB from another 840 and the floppy
> then works.
> 
> Anyone know how to get a floppy to work with a MB problem? Is there anything
> I can try or do to get it to work? Nothing ventured then nothing gained...
> 
> Thanks,

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Danny Saul]

My LC Drive would not work make shure you remove all the dust from it, 
that was the fix for mine.
On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 07:09  AM, Byron Gardner wrote:

> I have tried three known good floppies in my 840av and none will work. I
> believe it is a motherboard problem. This is a spare machine but could 
> be
> useful in a pinch. I have changed out the MB from another 840 and the 
> floppy
> then works.
>
> Anyone know how to get a floppy to work with a MB problem? Is there 
> anything
> I can try or do to get it to work? Nothing ventured then nothing 
> gained...
>
> Thanks,
> Byron
>
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Veritas88]

I had a similar episode when I wrote a file to a disk on my 660AV and it 
somehow is now damaged. Odd.

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Jim Lunceford]

David:

I have a bad 840av also.

contact me off list, maybe we can help each other.

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David Pierce wrote:

> >I have tried three known good floppies in my 840av and none will work. I
> >believe it is a motherboard problem. This is a spare machine but could be
> >useful in a pinch. I have changed out the MB from another 840 and the floppy
> >then works.
> >
> >Anyone know how to get a floppy to work with a MB problem? Is there anything
> >I can try or do to get it to work? Nothing ventured then nothing gained...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Byron
>
> That would be a dead floppy controller.
>
> Got a soldering iron?
>
> If you don't mind losing the AV part, a motherboard from a slightly slower
> Quadra 650 or 800 will also suffice.
>
> -dv
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

>I have tried three known good floppies in my 840av and none will work. I
>believe it is a motherboard problem. This is a spare machine but could be
>useful in a pinch. I have changed out the MB from another 840 and the floppy
>then works.
>
>Anyone know how to get a floppy to work with a MB problem? Is there anything
>I can try or do to get it to work? Nothing ventured then nothing gained...
>
>Thanks,
>Byron

That would be a dead floppy controller.

Got a soldering iron?

If you don't mind losing the AV part, a motherboard from a slightly slower
Quadra 650 or 800 will also suffice.

-dv



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