Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
That master cylinder conversion I did that is posted on the club site worked very well and is still working fine even after the car was laid up for 3yrs! On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, 18:00 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group < quantumowners@googlegroups.com wrote: > Pete, > > Have you checked out the club FAQ? This might be of use? > > > https://www.quantumowners.club/index.php/faq-qoc/27-faq-saloon/32-qoc-faq-saloon-brake-servo-upgrade > > Regards, > Steve > On 12/12/2018 17:28, Sonia wrote: > > > Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! > The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. > Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late > versions > > Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of > > a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later > versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need > b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the > brake pipe connections > > Sonia & Pete > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott > wrote: >> >> I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll >> defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying >> in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or >> m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger >> master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different >> distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group >> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder >> >> I think you need the Girling version. >> >> TRW do one here >> https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ >> >> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since >> found them cheaper. >> >> If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the >> servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. >> >> Chris G >> >> >> *From:* Sonia >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM >> *To:* Quantum Owners Group >> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder >> >> Hi >> >> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 >> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! >> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who >> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) >> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter >> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The >> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points >> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only >> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! >> >> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing >> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early >> and later cylinders >> >> So, does anyone >> >> a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more >> sensible price >> b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which >> is which >> c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal >> additional effort >> >> Many thanks >> >> Sonia & Pete >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Quantum Owners Group" group. >> To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> quantumowner...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en >> >> IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As >> Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum >> Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or >> in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any >> person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or >> alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained >> wi
[Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
For repair kits try bigg red http://www.biggred.co.uk. I have used them for trying to identify my Sierra master cylinder version on the Xtreme. Sent them photos, they identified the correct repair kit. I fitted it no problem and worked perfectly. They were real helpful. They also have a good search tool on their website. Nigel -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Wow - lots of parts changes there. A route which may be less finacially cripling could be to get a machine shop to make a new master cylinder for you to match a set of seals (if you can get them.) Even with the labour costs involved it may be viable, it's just finding tthe right place? Another suggestion is to try to find stockists of brake parts or classic stock (who aren't on the 'net) BEWARE do not use OLDSTOCKSPARES.COM who are thieves! see here https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/oldstockspares.com Martin - Original Message - From: Jim Hearne To: Quantum Owners Group Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Sorry, googlegroups refuses to accept any replies (or moderations) from my email at the moment so my reply is a bit late. The early large master cylinder as you have found only fits with the early short distributor which needs it's matching ECU to work. This distributor is shorter as all the mechanical and vacuum advance is done electronically in the ECU, the later longer distributor reverted to the old mechanical advance systems and needs no ECU. The later master cylinder i think was made by Ford, or at least specifically for them. It's made out of pressed mild steel instead of cast steel or cast iron, ironically it was probably much cheaper to make. But because it's mild steel any water in the brake fluid (caused by not changing the fluid often enough, or too much pressure washing) causes rust in the bore. Silicone brake fluid is worst for this as the water doesn't mix with the fluid and instead sinks to the lowest spot and rusts. The insides of the master cylinders are completely different so, no, the overhaul kit for the earlier one won't help you. And since the probably is probably rust then it wouldn't help you anyway. Besides the distributor issue, to swap from the later to the earlier system needs the master cylinder, servo, servo mounting brackets, transfer bar and the bracket on the other end of the transfer bar all swapping over to the earlier parts. I think using a Mondeo master cylinder and servo has been mentioned before as a replacement for the later Mk2 but i've not done that conversion myself. My saloon has a Mk3 Fiesta master cylinder and servo on it but i can't remember now if i had to modify the brackets or not. Jim On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:49:48 PM UTC, Sonia wrote: Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the brake pipe connections Sonia & Pete On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantu...@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder I think you need the Girling version. TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found them cheaper. If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. Chris G From: Sonia Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there i
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Sorry, googlegroups refuses to accept any replies (or moderations) from my email at the moment so my reply is a bit late. The early large master cylinder as you have found only fits with the early short distributor which needs it's matching ECU to work. This distributor is shorter as all the mechanical and vacuum advance is done electronically in the ECU, the later longer distributor reverted to the old mechanical advance systems and needs no ECU. The later master cylinder i think was made by Ford, or at least specifically for them. It's made out of pressed mild steel instead of cast steel or cast iron, ironically it was probably much cheaper to make. But because it's mild steel any water in the brake fluid (caused by not changing the fluid often enough, or too much pressure washing) causes rust in the bore. Silicone brake fluid is worst for this as the water doesn't mix with the fluid and instead sinks to the lowest spot and rusts. The insides of the master cylinders are completely different so, no, the overhaul kit for the earlier one won't help you. And since the probably is probably rust then it wouldn't help you anyway. Besides the distributor issue, to swap from the later to the earlier system needs the master cylinder, servo, servo mounting brackets, transfer bar and the bracket on the other end of the transfer bar all swapping over to the earlier parts. I think using a Mondeo master cylinder and servo has been mentioned before as a replacement for the later Mk2 but i've not done that conversion myself. My saloon has a Mk3 Fiesta master cylinder and servo on it but i can't remember now if i had to modify the brackets or not. Jim On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:49:48 PM UTC, Sonia wrote: > > > Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! > The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. > Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late > versions > > Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of > > a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later > versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need > b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the > brake pipe connections > > Sonia & Pete > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott > wrote: >> >> I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll >> defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying >> in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or >> m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger >> master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different >> distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group >> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder >> >> I think you need the Girling version. >> >> TRW do one here >> https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ >> >> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since >> found them cheaper. >> >> If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the >> servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. >> >> Chris G >> >> >> *From:* Sonia >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM >> *To:* Quantum Owners Group >> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder >> >> Hi >> >> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 >> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! >> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who >> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) >> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter >> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The >> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points >> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only >> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! >> >> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing >> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early >> and later cylinders >> >> So, does anyone >> >> a) know of a source of the later
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Once yours is removed you may be able to narrow it down by measuring - or if you have both kits in front of you it may be obvious by appearance? I've a suspicion that there are loads of these and other 'obsolete' parts at the Ford dealers. I would wager if you took the car to them and asked them to fix it they'd charge a fortune but be able to fix it - but ask them for the part and it would not be available. (similar for other manufacturers, not pointing the finger at Ford) - Original Message - From: Sonia To: Quantum Owners Group Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder I have been trawling the interweb and have had a chat with autodoc. They have given me two links https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-3907676for brake system BOCHS - BENDIXhttps://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-6808179 for brake system LUCAS Do these seem plausible? Is the brake system likely to be Bosch - Bendix or Lucas, and if so how can I tell which I have? On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:31:54 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: when you say there isn't room, is that because of the clash with the distributor? If so, (and if it fits of course?) it may be financially better and an easier task to get the earlier m/c and the alternative distributor. Martin - Original Message - From: Sonia To: Quantum Owners Group Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the brake pipe connections Sonia & Pete On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantu...@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder I think you need the Girling version. TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found them cheaper. If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. Chris G From: Sonia Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe fro
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
I have been trawling the interweb and have had a chat with autodoc. They have given me two links *https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-3907676* <https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-3907676> for brake system BOCHS - BENDIX *https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-6808179 <https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lnk-6808179>*for brake system LUCAS Do these seem plausible? Is the brake system likely to be Bosch - Bendix or Lucas, and if so how can I tell which I have? On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:31:54 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: > > when you say there isn't room, is that because of the clash with the > distributor? If so, (and if it fits of course?) it may be financially > better and an easier task to get the earlier m/c and the alternative > distributor. > Martin > > - Original Message - > *From:* Sonia > *To:* Quantum Owners Group > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder > > > Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! > The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. > Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late > versions > > Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of > > a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later > versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need > b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the > brake pipe connections > > Sonia & Pete > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott > wrote: >> >> I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll >> defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying >> in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or >> m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger >> master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different >> distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group >> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder >> >> I think you need the Girling version. >> >> TRW do one here >> https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ >> >> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since >> found them cheaper. >> >> If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the >> servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. >> >> Chris G >> >> >> *From:* Sonia >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM >> *To:* Quantum Owners Group >> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder >> >> Hi >> >> Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 >> XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! >> Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who >> are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) >> changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter >> master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The >> earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points >> more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only >> later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! >> >> Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing >> cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early >> and later cylinders >> >> So, does anyone >> >> a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more >> sensible price >> b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which >> is which >> c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal >> additional effort >> >> Many thanks >> >> Sonia & Pete >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Quantum Owners Group" group. >> To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> quantumowner...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/qu
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
when you say there isn't room, is that because of the clash with the distributor? If so, (and if it fits of course?) it may be financially better and an easier task to get the earlier m/c and the alternative distributor. Martin - Original Message - From: Sonia To: Quantum Owners Group Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the brake pipe connections Sonia & Pete On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantu...@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder I think you need the Girling version. TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found them cheaper. If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. Chris G From: Sonia Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowner...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowner...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Pete, Have you checked out the club FAQ? This might be of use? https://www.quantumowners.club/index.php/faq-qoc/27-faq-saloon/32-qoc-faq-saloon-brake-servo-upgrade Regards, Steve On 12/12/2018 17:28, Sonia wrote: Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the brake pipe connections Sonia & Pete On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. - Original Message - *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder I think you need the Girling version. TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ <https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/> I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found them cheaper. If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. Chris G *From:* Sonia *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM *To:* Quantum Owners Group *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowner...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en <http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en> IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowner...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Thanks for the input so far. Misterauto do have the later one at £454!!! The earlier one is around £40, similar to price of earlier one on ebay. Don't understand why there is such a difference between early and late versions Anyway there is not room for the earlier one so does anyone know of a) whether there are different refurb kits for the earlier and later versions of the master cylinder, and if so how to tell which one I need b) something else that could be used, possibly with some re-routing of the brake pipe connections Sonia & Pete On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:53:38 PM UTC, Susan and Martin Scott wrote: > > I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll > defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying > in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or > m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger > master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different > distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. > > - Original Message - > *From:* chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group > *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder > > I think you need the Girling version. > > TRW do one here > https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ > > I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since > found them cheaper. > > If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the > servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. > > Chris G > > > *From:* Sonia > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM > *To:* Quantum Owners Group > *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder > > Hi > > Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 > XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! > Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who > are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) > changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter > master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The > earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points > more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only > later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! > > Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing > cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early > and later cylinders > > So, does anyone > > a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible > price > b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is > which > c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional > effort > > Many thanks > > Sonia & Pete > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To post to this group, send email to quantu...@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > quantumowner...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > > IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As > Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum > Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or > in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any > person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or > alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained > within this or related message(s). > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to quantumowner...@googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > [image: AVG logo] <https://www.avg.com/internet-security> > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > www.avg.com <https://www.avg.com/internet-security> > > > <#85E6C6DCA52040229E2C3CE8098AED80@computer_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
I'm not sure about whether the servo would need changing or not (I'll defer to Chris's knowledge on that), but the pipework will need 'modifying in length' (maybe not a huge issue) and possibly has different size (m10 or m12) threaded ends - again not too big an issue. If fitting the larger master cylinder, however I believe you would also need a different distributor (ie smaller) as there isn't room. - Original Message - From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder I think you need the Girling version. TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found them cheaper. If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. Chris G From: Sonia Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
I think you need the Girling version. TRW do one here https://www.trwaftermarket.com/en/catalogue/product/PMH329/ I paid around £ 350 for mine 6 years ago, but I believe others have since found them cheaper. If you try to fit the long version then you will also need to change the servo (black donut disc thing behind it) as the connections are different. Chris G From: Sonia Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
I got one from Misterauto a couple of years ago - less than £80. It took 3 attempts(2 refunds) and various 'phone calls, but got there eventually. Might be worth a try. - Original Message - From: Sonia To: Quantum Owners Group Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:18 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder
Hi Looking for advice on brake master cylinder on our 2+2 based on 1989 Mk2 XR2. Fluid is leaking badly from master cylinder so almost no brake pedal! Got it to local garage (who I have used for nearly 20 years and trust) who are having trouble locating a replacement part. Issue is Ford (bless 'em) changed the master cylinder from 1986 when a 'rising servo' and shorter master cylinder was fitted. Prior to that it was a longer cast item. The earlier ones are readily available but with the rising servo (it points more upwards) there isn't room for the longer master cylinder. The only later cylinders we have found are on ebay and £350!! Refurbishment kits are available for about £15 which may fix our existing cylinder but it is not clear whether there are separate kits for the early and later cylinders So, does anyone a) know of a source of the later master brake cylinders at a more sensible price b) know if there is more than 1 refurbishment kit and how to tell which is which c) know of another master cylinder which would fit with minimal additional effort Many thanks Sonia & Pete -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to quantumowners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.