Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[Jim Hearne]

I'll bring some fish for them..

Jim


-Original Message- 
From: Niall McCracken

Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 11:24 AM
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

Thanks all - yes I'll be at Stoneleigh on Sunday I will bring my big bag of 
seals if anyone could help or advise I would be eternally grateful!


Niall

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[Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[Niall McCracken]

Thanks all - yes I'll be at Stoneleigh on Sunday I will bring my big bag of 
seals if anyone could help or advise I would be eternally grateful!

Niall

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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[Jim Hearne]

It might be some time before my H4 gets back to the stage of working about the 
rear screen seal !
But, i do agree, the gap does look bigger on those pictures.
There are various adjustments on the rear screen, including up/down and 
front/rear (with shims) on the pivot mounts, and the stops for the closed 
position.

I’m at Stoneleigh on the Sunday.

Jim

From: 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 8:38 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

Niall,

The roof system is the best and worst part of the car.  Clever, ingenious and 
ahead of it's time, but the water ingress is an issue.

As previously noted the rear screen was never meant to entirely seal, but the 
handling of the water that does make it in has never to my knowledge been 
properly resolved.  With Jim Hearne looking at the problem we may now have a 
solution on the horizon.

>From Jim's comments it may be worth looking into a seal for the bottom of the 
>rear screen that is U-shaped and will meet the rubber on the rear body work.  
>The tricky part would be attaching flexible drain tubes to the U-shape seal 
>that would allow water to be fully managed and kept away from the encapsulated 
>chassis as well as being flexible enough to allow the read screen to operate 
>as intended.

Having said all that, from your photos it appears that the gap on your car is 
larger than many.  Have you tried adjusting the screen, as there is some 
movement available which could lessen the gap.

If you are coming to Stoneleigh this weekend maybe we could have a look?

Regards,
Steve


On 30/04/2019 19:44, Niall McCracken wrote:

  Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight - particularly 
at the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen meets the body?

  I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few weeks 
and I just cant seem to figure out how it should work.

  The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too big to 
me to find anything that would reasonably seal it?

  The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a like for 
like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the windscreen.

  I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything!


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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

['Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group]

Niall,

The roof system is the best and worst part of the car.  Clever, 
ingenious and ahead of it's time, but the water ingress is an issue.


As previously noted the rear screen was never meant to entirely seal, 
but the handling of the water that does make it in has never to my 
knowledge been properly resolved.  With Jim Hearne looking at the 
problem we may now have a solution on the horizon.


From Jim's comments it may be worth looking into a seal for the bottom 
of the rear screen that is U-shaped and will meet the rubber on the rear 
body work.  The tricky part would be attaching flexible drain tubes to 
the U-shape seal that would allow water to be fully managed and kept 
away from the encapsulated chassis as well as being flexible enough to 
allow the read screen to operate as intended.


Having said all that, from your photos it appears that the gap on your 
car is larger than many.  Have you tried adjusting the screen, as there 
is some movement available which could lessen the gap.


If you are coming to Stoneleigh this weekend maybe we could have a look?

Regards,
Steve

On 30/04/2019 19:44, Niall McCracken wrote:
Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight - 
particularly at the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen 
meets the body?


I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few 
weeks and I just cant seem to figure out how it should work.


The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too 
big to me to find anything that would reasonably seal it?


The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a 
like for like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the 
windscreen.


I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything!


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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[bill]

Soon after I bought my H4 I changed the rear screen seal for one the same style 
but the part that goes against the glass is at least an inch longer, doesn’t 
stop all the water but at least there isn’t a massive gap like it was originally
Bill

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On 30 Apr 2019, at 21:19, Niall McCracken 
mailto:niallmccrac...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight - particularly at 
the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen meets the body?

I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few weeks and 
I just cant seem to figure out how it should work.

The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too big to me 
to find anything that would reasonably seal it?

The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a like for 
like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the windscreen.

I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything!



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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

['Bill Jackson' via Quantum Owners Group]

 Hello Niall. I owned an H4 for 8 years from 2009, and when standing idle I 
covered it with a waterproof cover. In runnning, however, it never leaked. The 
rubber seal you refer to in my case was attached to the body, and the rear 
window, when the rear section was raised, simply rested against it. I formed 
the impression that the seal was never designed to prevent water dripping past 
it.  Below the seal the panel that formed the boot wall was shaped to direct 
water down to holes in the floor that allowed the water to run out under the 
vehicle. Some considerable work had been done to the boot panel to water proof 
it and the channel the water away. The exposed parts of the chassis were 
protected form constant wetting by this and covered in copious quantities of 
underseal. Good luck with this project...I really enjoyed mine and still miss 
it, despite the new car.BillOn Tuesday, 30 April 2019, 21:35:41 BST, Susan 
and Martin Scott  wrote:  
 
 I may be completely incorrect (I don't have an H4, and am also incorrect 
anyway), however, ISTR that it's catered for by having drainage to the 
underside of the car, so any water ingress goes out - just like car doors.I 
await correction! Martin
 - Original Message -  From: Niall McCracken  To: Quantum Owners Group  
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:44 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear 
windscreen 
  Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight - particularly 
at the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen meets the body? 
 I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few weeks and 
I just cant seem to figure out how it should work. 
 The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too big to me 
to find anything that would reasonably seal it? 
 The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a like for 
like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the windscreen. 
 I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything! 
 
 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[Jim Hearne]

It was never intended that the rear screen should be completely 
watertight, any water that does get past the rear screen runs down 
behind the rear seat area and down through drain holes in the sills.
Unfortunately it goes over part of the chassis on the way down which can 
cause some rust issues.


I think the only person that managed to make the rear screen watertight 
was Hamish, i'm not sure if he is still on the forum.


If my rebuild gets that far i am thinking on making a channel on the 
bottom of the rear screen with a couple of pipes to take the water 
directly out below the car rather than letting it find it's own way.


Jim

On 30/04/2019 19:44, Niall McCracken wrote:
Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight - 
particularly at the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen 
meets the body?


I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few 
weeks and I just cant seem to figure out how it should work.


The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too 
big to me to find anything that would reasonably seal it?


The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a 
like for like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the 
windscreen.


I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything!


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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[rob hancock]

We have tried several different seals .none of which have been very
successful. Following with interest.
Regards rob

On Tue, 30 Apr 2019, 21:35 Susan and Martin Scott, <
susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

> I may be completely incorrect (I don't have an H4, and am also incorrect
> anyway), however, ISTR that it's catered for by having drainage to the
> underside of the car, so any water ingress goes out - just like car doors.
> I await correction! Martin
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Niall McCracken 
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:44 PM
> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen
>
> Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight -
> particularly at the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen
> meets the body?
>
> I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few weeks
> and I just cant seem to figure out how it should work.
>
> The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too big
> to me to find anything that would reasonably seal it?
>
> The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a like
> for like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the windscreen.
>
> I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything!
>
>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen

[Susan and Martin Scott]

I may be completely incorrect (I don't have an H4, and am also incorrect 
anyway), however, ISTR that it's catered for by having drainage to the 
underside of the car, so any water ingress goes out - just like car doors.
I await correction! Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Niall McCracken 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:44 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] H4 Sealing rear windscreen


  Does anyone out there have a H4 that is completely watertight - particularly 
at the rear of the car where the bottom of the windscreen meets the body?


  I've been messing around with a variety of different seals for a few weeks 
and I just cant seem to figure out how it should work.


  The gap between the windscreen and the rear body just looks much too big to 
me to find anything that would reasonably seal it?


  The old seal was reasonably inflexible and perished but even with a like for 
like new seal on there is a whopping gap underneath the windscreen.


  I can't even consider taking it out in the rain or washing it or anything!





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