Re: [qubes-users] Re: Screensavers : Qubes Questions!

[Chris Laprise]

On 12/18/2016 11:49 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:



*2.   *You mentioned  during the interview that you came to Qubes
as a lifelong widows user. I am in the situation when it comes to
this as a lifelong windows user. What would you say is the learning
curve for using Qubes is? How easy would it be for someone who is
slightly technical, yet not IT, to problem solve a problem in Qubes?
In windows I Ctrl+Alt+Del and go through that rigmarole.


It depends highly on the individual, but if you're coming from a purely
Windows background, the biggest thing might be adjusting to a Linux
environment. In general, the most important qualities will be
perseverance, a willingness to learn, and the ability to solve your own
problems. (Of course, the mailing lists are here to help, but things
generally don't work very well if someone makes no effort and expects to
be spoon-fed solutions.)


I find most problems on Windows are either moderately easy, or 
impossible. Digging for answers to difficult issues results in few 
results and they are usually dead-ends.


Since Qubes uses Linux, it tends to follow that culture. Easy problems 
can be annoyingly fussy to resolve, but really difficult problems 
usually have a deep profile of related documentation and discussion 
spread around various websites. Its more probable you will make progress 
on difficult issues with continued perseverance and curiosity.


The biggest obstacle over time is probably the over-reliance on the 
command-line interface. Relatively little of the configuration matrix is 
expressed in the GUI, so the GUI feels more superficial and less able to 
control the system at deeper levels than it does on Windows. This makes 
users who expect streamlining and integration weary.


Also, do not expect the rule of "This is a PC, so it'll run this 
PC-compatible OS" to hold water. Most PCs are "Windows PCs" and many of 
the quirks that certain models have may be OK with Microsoft but 
untenable with Linux or Qubes. Business-class computers from top-tier 
brands are your best bet. Check out the Qubes HCL link on the download page.





*3.   *I understand your OS is security based, and that is super
cool. Yet security is useless if there is nothing to protect. "Out of
the box" what can Qubes run?


It's better to turn this question around: What *can't* Qubes run? It
sounds like the main problem in your case may be the lack of 3-D support:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/user-faq/#can-i-run-applications-like-games-which-require-3d-support

To get around this problem, you would have to attempt GPU passthrough,
which is not supported (but which some users have managed to achieve on
their own).


I will venture to make a suggestion on this gnarly subject: A desktop or 
tower PC will fit this scenario much better than a laptop will. You will 
need the freedom to buy particular models of GPU and/or experiment with 
other models in a process of trial and error.


Chris

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Screensavers : Qubes Questions!

[taii...@gmx.com]

On 12/19/2016 07:31 PM, Mike Mez wrote:


"As a tip if you desire to attempt gpu passthrough do not buy an NVIDIA
card as they like to introduce driver "bugs" that make it difficult to try
and entice you to buy a quadro."

Thank you for the tip. Where could I see an example of this? To my current
amateur mind, you make it sound as if a pop up error code comes up and
declares "but it works on a Quadro", which sounds abit more blunt that I
would expect. Even then, they can try to coerce all they like. I don't have
that kind of money to burn.

Furthermore, is this a GPU only thing, or have there been cases of "bugs"
on other forms of hardware as well, such as a CPU?

Thank you,

- Mike Mez

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:17 AM, taii...@gmx.com  wrote:


As a tip if you desire to attempt gpu passthrough do not buy an NVIDIA
card as they like to introduce driver "bugs" that make it difficult to try
and entice you to buy a quadro.


Search for "VFIO NVIDIA Error 43" on your favorite search engine.

Pretty much it just shuts off 3D mode and gives you Error 43 in device 
manager if it detects some hardware virt features, there is a way around 
it but I wasted hours until I figured out what was going on.


It is a gpu only thing, for now.

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Re: [qubes-users] If I uninstall/reinstall a templatevm, will that mess up the files/filesystem of the appvm?

[taii...@gmx.com]

On 12/19/2016 05:28 PM, 'digitaldijjn' via qubes-users wrote:


Probably a dumb question but I figured I would clarify before I 
uninstall/reinstall to free space, since last I checked you can't really delete 
stuff out of template vms
It will not, the files will stay as they are although the appvm will not 
boot and you would have to mount the private storage file .img to be 
able to read it - unless you assign another template VM.


"qvm-trim-template" ran in dom0 (not root) will trim the templatevm 
filesystem and get your space back.


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Re: [qubes-users] How to manually remove a VM?

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:02:54PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> On 2016-12-18 18:29, almightyl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > So I made a HVM Template and renamed it through VM Manager,
> > something went wrong and the VM Manager did not reflect the name
> > change. (Can't seem to reproduce this bug)
> > 
> > I was just wondering if I've successfully removed the HVM Template
> > manually. The process I went through was:
> > 
> > 1. Remove template folder from /var/lib/qubes/vm-templates 2.
> > Remove old template reference from VM Manager (or manually from
> > qubes.xml)
> 
> How did you perform this step? Did you manually edit qubes.xml?
> 
> > 3. Remove template's *.desktop files from
> > ~/.local/share/applications
> > 
> 
> I can't immediately think of anything else to remove. At any rate,
> these should be the most important ones.
> 
> There's also:
> 
> qvm-remove --just-db 
> 
> which only removes the entry from the Qubes Xen DB without removing
> any files. What exactly does "Xen DB" refer to in this context, Marek?

I think this is bug in help message. It's about qubes.xml. Do we have
some other term for it?

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Re: [qubes-users] How to manually remove a VM?

[almightylaxz]

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 4:33:06 PM UTC+10:30, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> How did you perform this step? Did you manually edit qubes.xml?

The VM Manager allowed me to 'remove' the VM. Because the VM was renamed, as 
far as I can tell it just removed it from qubes.xml.

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:27:45 PM UTC+10:30, v3g4n wrote:
> I will let someone more knowledgeable on the manual removal process
> answer, but why not just remove it using Qubes VM Manager? Just curious
> about the manual process?

A bug in the VM Manager occured when I went to rename a VM, the VM files were 
renamed but the VM Manager didn't update it's records and still showed the old 
name. It leaves a bunch of references to something that no longer exists (in 
the VM Manager and in the application menu). I haven't succeeded in reproducing 
this bug, I was renaming a HVM template I had just installed an OS onto and 
shutdown.

Of course manually removing VMs is not the ideal way to do it, but 
unfortunately things sometimes go wrong like it did for me.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to search, reinstall or remove qubes-templates installed via rpm?

[Chris Laprise]

On 12/19/2016 02:31 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:

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On 2016-12-19 07:31, J. Eppler wrote:

Hello,

1. How can I search for qubes-templates in dom0 rpm repository? The 
qubes-dom0-update tool excludes all templates from a search.


$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=search qubes-template

This will pass through the terminal output from the UpdateVM, so even
though templates are excluded in the dom0 dnf command, you'll still get
the search results (in red text by default).

Remember that you won't see community templates unless you enable their repo:

$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-templates-community --action=search 
qubes-template


2. How can I reinstall qubes-templates which are installed from the dom0 rpm 
repo?


https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reinstall-template/

Note, the "action=reinstall" option will only re-install the same 
version of the template, not upgrade it. To upgrade a template (say, to 
fix a bug in the Debian template's package manager), you need to follow 
the older instructions in the doc.


Alternately, you can get around this limitation and allow an in-place 
template upgrade if you're comfortable editing system shell scripts:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2520#issuecomment-268066923

Chris

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[qubes-users] Qubes Manager Q4.0 groups

[Eva Star]

Hello,

Will be issue with a lot of virtual machines fixed at new Qubes Manager 
at Q4.0?


Now it's not possible to use QM if there are too much VM created at the 
list (hide by the monitor height, no scroll, and it's hard to search for 
VMs if 2-3 created for some one task.


I'm about groups and _sub-groups_ for virtual machines (like folders on 
the disk.
+ setting for group to setup default state:collapse or expand after boot 
or remember last choose)



It will be comfortable to group them and hide not every day used VMs.
See example, it's hard to describe:


-system group (collapse by default)
-- sys-net
-- sys-firewall
-- sys-usb

-entertainment (group, EXPAND by default)
--videovm
--browser-mail-every-day
--etc

-profiles-storage (group, collapsed)
--sub-gropup-person (sub-group)
--- personal-browser-vm
--- personal-proxy-vm
--- personal-othe-task-vm
--sub-gropup2-person2 (sub-group2)
--- personal-browser-vm
--- personal-proxy-vm
--- personal-othe-task-vm
--sub-gropup3-person3 (sub-group3)
--- personal-browser-vm
--- personal-proxy-vm
--- personal-othe-task-vm


-development (
--some-official-work
--development-some-other-work
--site1-admin
--site2-admin

-templates (group, collapsed)
--template1
--template2
--template3

-proxies(group, collapsed)
--proxy1
--proxy2

etc.


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Re: [qubes-users] Re: FYI: Experimental Qubes coldkernel support now available

[Doug Hill]

Reg Tiangha:
> On 2016-12-19 3:20 PM, Doug Hill wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the tip, Marek... The process moved a bit farther along...
>>
>> I believe I hit the gcc issue that was mentioned eariler; a few
>> meaningful-looking snippets are below.  Any thoughts are
>> appreciated!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> CC [M]  fs/ncpfs/ioctl.o
>>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utobject.o
>>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utosi.o
>>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utownerid.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/ncpfs/mmap.o
>> *** WARNING *** there are active plugins, do not report this as a bug
>> unless you can reproduce it without enabling any plugins.
>> Event| Plugins
>> PLUGIN_FINISH_TYPE   | randomize_layout_plugin constify_plugin
>> PLUGIN_FINISH_DECL   | randomize_layout_plugin
>> PLUGIN_FINISH_UNIT   | rap_plugin
>> PLUGIN_ATTRIBUTES| randomize_layout_plugin
>> latent_entropy_plugin size_overflow_plugin constify_plugin
>> PLUGIN_START_UNIT| latent_entropy_plugin
>> size_overflow_plugin rap_plugin constify_plugin
>> PLUGIN_ALL_IPA_PASSES_START  | randomize_layout_plugin rap_plugin
>> constify_plugin
>> In file included from ./include/linux/seqlock.h:35:0,
>>  from ./include/linux/time.h:5,
>>  from ./include/linux/stat.h:18,
>>  from fs/ncpfs/mmap.c:9:
>> ../include/linux/spinlock.h:58:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation
>> fault
>>  #include 
>>  ^
>> Please submit a full bug report,
>> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
>> See  for instructions.
>>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utpredef.o
>>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utresrc.o
>> The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
>> scripts/Makefile.build:289: recipe for target 'fs/ncpfs/mmap.o' failed
>> make[5]: *** [fs/ncpfs/mmap.o] Error 1
>> scripts/Makefile.build:440: recipe for target 'fs/ncpfs' failed
>> make[4]: *** [fs/ncpfs] Error 2
>> Makefile:972: recipe for target 'fs' failed
>> make[3]: *** [fs] Error 2
>> make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
>>   CC  drivers/acpi/apei/apei-base.o
>>
> 
> 
> Did you install the correct gcc plugin for the Debian template you're
> trying to compile this on? According to the coldhak instructions, it'll
> either be one of these:
> 
> sudo apt install gcc-4.9-plugin-dev (for GCC 4.9)
> sudo apt install gcc-5-plugin-dev (for GCC 5.x)
> sudo apt install gcc-6-plugin-dev (for GCC 6.x)
> 
> Stock Debian-8 should be using the 4.9 version unless you have
> previously upgraded gcc on that template.
> 
> 
> 
Yes, gcc looks like the correct verion (I'm on a stock debian-8 template):

user@debian-8-coldkernel:~$ sudo apt install gcc-4.9-plugin-dev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
gcc-4.9-plugin-dev is already the newest version.

Thanks!

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[qubes-users] Re: FYI: Experimental Qubes coldkernel support now available

[Reg Tiangha]

On 2016-12-19 3:20 PM, Doug Hill wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the tip, Marek... The process moved a bit farther along...
> 
> I believe I hit the gcc issue that was mentioned eariler; a few
> meaningful-looking snippets are below.  Any thoughts are
> appreciated!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> CC [M]  fs/ncpfs/ioctl.o
>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utobject.o
>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utosi.o
>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utownerid.o
>   CC [M]  fs/ncpfs/mmap.o
> *** WARNING *** there are active plugins, do not report this as a bug
> unless you can reproduce it without enabling any plugins.
> Event| Plugins
> PLUGIN_FINISH_TYPE   | randomize_layout_plugin constify_plugin
> PLUGIN_FINISH_DECL   | randomize_layout_plugin
> PLUGIN_FINISH_UNIT   | rap_plugin
> PLUGIN_ATTRIBUTES| randomize_layout_plugin
> latent_entropy_plugin size_overflow_plugin constify_plugin
> PLUGIN_START_UNIT| latent_entropy_plugin
> size_overflow_plugin rap_plugin constify_plugin
> PLUGIN_ALL_IPA_PASSES_START  | randomize_layout_plugin rap_plugin
> constify_plugin
> In file included from ./include/linux/seqlock.h:35:0,
>  from ./include/linux/time.h:5,
>  from ./include/linux/stat.h:18,
>  from fs/ncpfs/mmap.c:9:
> ../include/linux/spinlock.h:58:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation
> fault
>  #include 
>  ^
> Please submit a full bug report,
> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
> See  for instructions.
>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utpredef.o
>   CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utresrc.o
> The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
> scripts/Makefile.build:289: recipe for target 'fs/ncpfs/mmap.o' failed
> make[5]: *** [fs/ncpfs/mmap.o] Error 1
> scripts/Makefile.build:440: recipe for target 'fs/ncpfs' failed
> make[4]: *** [fs/ncpfs] Error 2
> Makefile:972: recipe for target 'fs' failed
> make[3]: *** [fs] Error 2
> make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
>   CC  drivers/acpi/apei/apei-base.o
> 


Did you install the correct gcc plugin for the Debian template you're
trying to compile this on? According to the coldhak instructions, it'll
either be one of these:

sudo apt install gcc-4.9-plugin-dev (for GCC 4.9)
sudo apt install gcc-5-plugin-dev (for GCC 5.x)
sudo apt install gcc-6-plugin-dev (for GCC 6.x)

Stock Debian-8 should be using the 4.9 version unless you have
previously upgraded gcc on that template.



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Re: [qubes-users] Re: FYI: Experimental Qubes coldkernel support now available

[Doug Hill]

Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 04:34:39PM +, Doug Hill wrote:
> 
> 
>> Colin Childs:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Sorry for not getting on this list sooner, however it looks like testing
>>> of coldkernel on Debian is largely going well! I see the most recent
>>> issue from foppe, and will be attempting to reproduce later this evening.
>>>
>>> If you run into issues that require coldhak attention, please do not
>>> hesitate to open tickets at
>>> https://github.com/coldhakca/coldkernel/issues, or email us directly at
>>> cont...@coldhak.ca.
>>>
>>> Thanks, and happy testing!
>>>
> 
>> Hi,
> 
>> Running into a problem when runnning "make qubes-guest" on a stock
>> debian-8 template.
> 
>> Below are the last few lines of the output. Thanks!
> 
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_buf_item.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_extfree_item.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_icreate_item.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_inode_item.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_rmap_item.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_log_recover.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_trans_ail.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_trans_buf.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_trans_extfree.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_trans_inode.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_trans_rmap.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_sysctl.o
>>   CC [M]  fs/xfs/xfs_ioctl32.o
>>   LD [M]  fs/xfs/xfs.o
>>   LD  fs/built-in.o
>> scripts/package/Makefile:97: recipe for target 'bindeb-pkg' failed
>> make[2]: *** [bindeb-pkg] Error 2
>> Makefile:1317: recipe for target 'bindeb-pkg' failed
>> make[1]: *** [bindeb-pkg] Error 2
>> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/user/coldkernel/linux-4.8.13'
>> Makefile:61: recipe for target 'qubes-guest' failed
>> make: *** [qubes-guest] Error 2
>> user@debian-8-coldkernel:~/coldkernel$
> 
> Relevant error is probably earlier. I guess it's about disk space - it
> require 4GB or so to build.
> 
> 


Thanks for the tip, Marek... The process moved a bit farther along...

I believe I hit the gcc issue that was mentioned eariler; a few
meaningful-looking snippets are below.  Any thoughts are
appreciated!




CC [M]  fs/ncpfs/ioctl.o
  CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utobject.o
  CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utosi.o
  CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utownerid.o
  CC [M]  fs/ncpfs/mmap.o
*** WARNING *** there are active plugins, do not report this as a bug
unless you can reproduce it without enabling any plugins.
Event| Plugins
PLUGIN_FINISH_TYPE   | randomize_layout_plugin constify_plugin
PLUGIN_FINISH_DECL   | randomize_layout_plugin
PLUGIN_FINISH_UNIT   | rap_plugin
PLUGIN_ATTRIBUTES| randomize_layout_plugin
latent_entropy_plugin size_overflow_plugin constify_plugin
PLUGIN_START_UNIT| latent_entropy_plugin
size_overflow_plugin rap_plugin constify_plugin
PLUGIN_ALL_IPA_PASSES_START  | randomize_layout_plugin rap_plugin
constify_plugin
In file included from ./include/linux/seqlock.h:35:0,
 from ./include/linux/time.h:5,
 from ./include/linux/stat.h:18,
 from fs/ncpfs/mmap.c:9:
./include/linux/spinlock.h:58:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation
fault
 #include 
 ^
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.
See  for instructions.
  CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utpredef.o
  CC  drivers/acpi/acpica/utresrc.o
The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
scripts/Makefile.build:289: recipe for target 'fs/ncpfs/mmap.o' failed
make[5]: *** [fs/ncpfs/mmap.o] Error 1
scripts/Makefile.build:440: recipe for target 'fs/ncpfs' failed
make[4]: *** [fs/ncpfs] Error 2
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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes refuses to boot

[awesomebunny777]

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 12:13:36 AM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> Try enabling EFI-CSM mode in your BIOS configuration.
> 
> "awesomebunny777" damn thats a cool unique handle, takes me back to the 
> earlier days of the internet before everyone on a mailing list had both 
> a first and a last name.

Yeah, I made it a really long time ago, but I never bothered to make a new one. 

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 7:32:48 PM UTC-5, Chris Laprise wrote:
> Do you know if your system is set to boot in BIOS or UEFI mode? Maybe 
> switching to BIOS/legacy mode would help.
> 
> Chris

When I went into my BIOS, I didn't see any option to change the boot mode or 
legacy any mention of legacy USB. My (pretty old) laptop didn't come with Win8, 
so I'm not sure it has UEFI firmware. I don't have any problems booting from 
any other linux distros, as I have set up a dual boot of Win7 and Kali with 
GRUB on my internal HDD and have a multiboot USB using grub4dos that can boot 
Debain, Linux Mint, etc. perfectly fine. When I boot the installer, I can see 
the GRUB menu fine and install it without any problems. It's just the 
installation drive that will not boot.

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Re: [qubes-users] Debian 9 installation problem

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> Hello
> In the middle of the installation of the packages with apt-get
> dist-upgrade, the terminal suddenly disappears and near debian template
> the "state" become yellow.
> I reboot it but the "state" remain yellow and when try to open an
> application, open a message with "Cannot start qubes-guid!"

Make sure you have qubes-gui-agent package installed. There was some
dependency problem and it may result in removing the package. Fixed
package was in testing repository, until now - it's already uploaded to
stable. You may need to call apt-get update first.

To access VM console, use virsh -c xen:/// console VMNAME

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Re: [qubes-users] Debian 9 installation problem

[Chris Laprise]

On 12/19/2016 01:46 PM, pl1...@sigaint.org wrote:

Hello
In the middle of the installation of the packages with apt-get
dist-upgrade, the terminal suddenly disappears and near debian template
the "state" become yellow.
I reboot it but the "state" remain yellow and when try to open an
application, open a message with "Cannot start qubes-guid!"



When this happened to me yesterday, I thought I had done something wrong 
(like let the system run low on disk space).


I eventually succeeded, but I think there may be a bug somewhere. The 
second time around I did something different with qubes-r3.list... I 
think I enabled stretch-testing and stretch-securitytesting before doing 
the update & dist-upgrade.


The other thing I did differently the second time: When I was prompted 
to auto-restart services, I chose the default "No".


BTW, the 'autoremove' step is a bit dubious; It will remove a lot of 
necessary stuff. Manually installing your favorite apps before this step 
will probably save time and effort.


Chris

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Re: [qubes-users] How to search, reinstall or remove qubes-templates installed via rpm?

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On 2016-12-19 07:31, J. Eppler wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 1. How can I search for qubes-templates in dom0 rpm repository? The 
> qubes-dom0-update tool excludes all templates from a search.
> 

$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --action=search qubes-template

This will pass through the terminal output from the UpdateVM, so even
though templates are excluded in the dom0 dnf command, you'll still get
the search results (in red text by default).

Remember that you won't see community templates unless you enable their repo:

$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-templates-community --action=search 
qubes-template

> 2. How can I reinstall qubes-templates which are installed from the dom0 rpm 
> repo?
> 

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reinstall-template/

> 3. How can I remove qubes-templates which are installed from the dom0 rpm 
> repo?
> 

Make sure no TemplateBasedVMs are based on the template to be removed.
Then, in dom0:

$ sudo dnf remove 

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Q32 - Laptop - initrd.img - no installation?

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On 2016-12-19 08:48, '019348'019438'01943'80913284098 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> If I try to install Q32 on a laptop ThinkPad (BIOS is set to default): 
> 
> 'Loading xen.gz ok'
> 'Loading vmlinuz ok'
> 'Loading initrd.img ...ok'
> 
> But I don't see the first gray Q-Screen, why?
> 
> I checked the DVD...
> It will start the installation on another PC.
> 
> I checked the laptop...
> I can install Ubuntu.
> 
> How I can install Qubes 3.2?
> 
> Kind Regards
> 

Probably some kind of hardware compatibility issue.
Try switching between legacy boot and UEFI.

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Re: Archlinux template – dend early Christmas gifts to Marek ASAP! Re: [qubes-users] Arch-template and Firefox (49.0.2)

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 01:00:17PM +0100, Achim Patzner wrote:
> > qubes-template-archlinux package is available qubes-templates-community 
> > repository!
> 
> Make a wish 8-). But watch the movie “Wishmaster” first to see why getting 
> more Genies is not a good idea.

If you wonder what could be useful, a big, fast SSD disk, like 1TB. That
would really speed up some things (like test-building templates), as
currently the only storage>500GB I have is not-so-fast HDD...

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[qubes-users] Debian 9 installation problem

[pl11ty]

Hello
In the middle of the installation of the packages with apt-get
dist-upgrade, the terminal suddenly disappears and near debian template
the "state" become yellow.
I reboot it but the "state" remain yellow and when try to open an
application, open a message with "Cannot start qubes-guid!"

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: VmCL for Coldkernel Debian 8 Qubes R3.2

[podmo]

On 2016-12-18 9:20 AM, Reg Tiangha wrote:
>
> I managed to get dispVMs to work as well, but I had to trick Qubes
> Manager to do it. For whatever reason, when you run
> qvm-create-default-dvm, it'll take whatever kernel is set to default
> under Global Settings and apply it to future dispVMs. So if you have it

Thanks for the tip and more generally for your work on this! It encouraged
me to try it out too.

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[qubes-users] Security & Usability - TouchBar?

['093148'0914328'0914328'092'1843098]

Hello,

put the security on the fingertip?

How Qubes-Laptop could become a unique touchy security?

Mac has this TouchBar and offers security buttons in this way:

http://www.macworld.com/article/3136559/os-x/how-a-little-ios-magic-in-every-new-touch-bar-adds-security.html

Which kind of touchbar security buttons, will be deliver a higher security in a 
very intuitive way?

- Button 1: close cam shutter
- Button 2: open galvanic switch of the Mic (or both on the Button 1)
- Button 3: Close all VM's and open the File-Consolidation-VM only
- Button 4: Restart with the banking VM only
- Button 5: Swap bootdisks (if you have a laptop with 2 disks) and the second 
disk has no galvanic contact any more
- Button 6: ??

Perhaps it will be helpful to offer button-groups, which can be free customized?

Which buttons, should be offered, for an easy access of the major VM-features?

Kind Regards

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Re: [qubes-users] Kali TemplateVM terminal etc. do not open

[J. Eppler]

Hello, 

glad I was able to help. However, it is recommended to use: virsh -c xen:/// 
console $VM_NAME instead of xl console $VM_NAME, but both work.

best regards
 J. Eppler

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[qubes-users] Re: Redox OS

[J. Eppler]

Hello,

yes, it would be nice to use RedoxOS as sort of graphical Unikernel VM.

RedoxOS could be used for:
- password managers (isolated password manager VM)
- graphical pgp/certificate management
- IRC/XMPP chatting
- network isolated file storage for confidential files
- disposable VMs

in the future:
- email
- browsing

RedoxOS could be used to provide per-application isolation. However, the 
biggest advantage of RedoxOS is the small memory and storage footprint. RedoxOS 
requires approx. 128 MB storage space and needs less memory than most Linux 
distribution.

I installed it in June on top of Qubes OS and it was running fairly well for 
being a new operating system. It still has some rough edges. 
I especially liked the simplicity of the graphical desktop environment (Orbit).

best regards
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[qubes-users] Fuchsia OS

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Hello,

What should be the features of a new robust modern OS?

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/233699-google-is-working-on-a-mysterious-new-os-called-fuchsia

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[qubes-users] Redox OS

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Hello,

should it be possible to run the new rusty security OS, RedoxOS, als an AppVM?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3046100/open-source-tools/rusts-redox-os-could-show-linux-a-few-new-tricks.html

Which kind of applications might be deliver, so a higher level of security, as 
the corresponding linux apps?

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[qubes-users] Installing Q32 - Laptop - initrd.img - no installation?

['019348'019438'01943'80913284098]

Hello,

If I try to install Q32 on a laptop ThinkPad (BIOS is set to default): 

'Loading xen.gz ok'
'Loading vmlinuz ok'
'Loading initrd.img ...ok'

But I don't see the first gray Q-Screen, why?

I checked the DVD...
It will start the installation on another PC.

I checked the laptop...
I can install Ubuntu.

How I can install Qubes 3.2?

Kind Regards


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Re: [qubes-users] Kali TemplateVM terminal etc. do not open

[Bernd Kohler]

Hi @ all.

Thx to "J. (Eppler)" and qubenix for the hint.

Using $(qvm-run $VM_NAME xterm --pass-io) gave me the needed hint: "Cannot open 
Display"

With further Google-search I found [0] - yeah got a console  $(sudo xl console 
$VM_NAME)

Adding the qubes testing repo and initiate a dist-upgrade did not solve my 
problem but 
tomorrow I will do some further reading on [1].

As soon as I solved my problem I will post the answer.

regards

Bernd




[0]
https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1095

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[qubes-users] How to search, reinstall or remove qubes-templates installed via rpm?

[J. Eppler]

Hello,

1. How can I search for qubes-templates in dom0 rpm repository? The 
qubes-dom0-update tool excludes all templates from a search.

2. How can I reinstall qubes-templates which are installed from the dom0 rpm 
repo?

3. How can I remove qubes-templates which are installed from the dom0 rpm repo?

regards
 J. Eppler

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[qubes-users] Re: Archlinux template instruction leads to failed recipe on target "core-agent-linux-vm"

[Ilja Michel]

Hi,

I ran into the same problem. It looks as if make is not able to read the init 
folder, but I can't figure out why. 
What worked for me:
Delete or erase the concerning lines in 
~/qubes-builder/qubes-src/core-agent-linux/Makefile (line 99f): 
#install -m 0755 init/*.sh vm-systemd/*.sh $(DESTDIR)$(LIBDIR)/qubes/init/ and
#install -m 0644 init/functions $(DESTDIR)$(LIBDIR)/qubes/init/
Do what these lines would have done manually by copying the contents of 
~/qubes-builder/qubes-src/core-agent-linux/init and all the *.sh-files in 
~/qubes-builder/qubes-src/core-agent-linux/vm-systemd into 
~/qubes-builder/chroot-archlinux/home/user/qubes-src/core-agent-linux/pkg/qubes-vm-core/usr/lib/qubes/init
Then run "make core-agent-linux-vm" again.

Unfortunately I'm stuck in "make template" now with a similar problem. So I 
didn't get much further. 

Best regards,
Ilja

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Re: [qubes-users] How to search for packages in Dom0 repositories?

[J. Eppler]

Hello Andrew,

thanks for the quick answer.

regards
 J. Eppler

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Re: [qubes-users] How to search for packages in Dom0 repositories?

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-19 06:08, J. Eppler wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> how can I search for packages in Dom0 repositories?
> 
> regards J. Eppler
> 

Does this work?

$ qubes-dom0-update --action=search 

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[qubes-users] Re: Nvidia drivers in dom0 still works? (need to get a GTX 1070 off the ground)

[Foppe de Haan]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:33:23 PM UTC+1, Mathew Evans wrote:
> Just to update.
> 
> I am currently running Nvidia drivers without a issue.
> 
> dom0 Kernel: 4.4.31-11
> Nvidia: 375.20
> Kernel-module: compiled in dom0; 
> 
> Quick Guide:
> 1. dom0:   qubes-dom0-update install gcc devel-kernel ksmod linux-headers
> 2. appvm:  download NVIDIA-Linux-375.20-install.run (any appvm)
> 3. dom0:   qvm-run --pass-io  'cat /PATH/TO/NVIDIA.run' > NVIDIA.run
> 4. dom0:   ./NVIDIA.run --ui=none --no-x-check --keep --extract-only 
> 5: dom0:   cp NVIDIA-*/kernel/;  IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=y CC="gcc 
> -DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT -DNV_SIGNAL_STRUCT_RLIM" make module;
> 6: dom0:   cp nvidia.ko /lib/modules/4.4.31-11.pvops.qubes.x86_64/extra/.
> 7: dom0:   depmod -a; modinfo nvidia (all working will show up fine)
> 8: dom0:   EDIT GRUB or EFI; add rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau
> 9: dom0;   reboot and enjoy nvidia support.
> 
> additional: you can install nvidia extra apps etc.. if you so wish just run 
> ./nvidia.run --no-kernel-module -a
> 
> 
> Hopefully this will help those of you wanting Nvidia driver instead of 
> Nouveau.
> Please note this is a ruff write up and guide not a perfect solution, and 
> assumptions are made that you are always fimilar enough with *nix operating 
> systems to figure out that parts i've missed out or aint put in detail.

Thanks. Corrected a few typos / improved readability:

1. dom0:   qubes-dom0-update gcc kernel-devel kmod kernel-headers; 
(qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-unstable if using newer kernel)
2. appvm:  download NVIDIA-Linux-375.20-install.run (any appvm)
3. dom0:   qvm-run --pass-io  'cat /PATH/TO/NVIDIA.run' > NVIDIA.run; 
chmod +x NVIDIA.run;
4. dom0:   ./NVIDIA.run --ui=none --no-x-check --keep --extract-only
5: dom0:   cd NVIDIA-*/kernel/; make module IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=y CC="gcc 
-DNV_VMAP_4_PRESENT -DNV_SIGNAL_STRUCT_RLIM";
6: dom0:   sudo cp nvidia.ko /lib/modules/4.4.31-11.pvops.qubes.x86_64/extra/.
7: dom0:   sudo depmod -a; modinfo nvidia (all working will show up fine)
8: dom0:   EDIT GRUB or EFI; add rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau (to kernel options)
9: dom0;   reboot and enjoy nvidia support. (First boot will likely take a 
while.)

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[qubes-users] Re: 3.2 Install: Error unpacking qubes-template-fedora-23

[mark]

> About halfway through the progress bar, the status reads:
> "Installing qubes-template-fedora-23.noarch (800/930)"
> 
> Switching to tty-1 with ctrl-alt-f1 shows the error message:
> "Error unpacking rpm package qubes-fedora-23-3.0.6-201608081228.noarch"

+1, getting the same issue installing the 3.2 ISO. My system is locked up and 
unresponsive so debugging doesn't appear possible.

It's installing using UEFI, will try a legacy boot instead.

I did try to md5sum /dev/ to verify the (checked) ISO on the USB I'd 
just written, it didn't match but I wasn't sure if it was meant to as new 
partitions seemed to be created by the ISO dd.

host:/var/tmp/qubes root# md5sum -c Qubes-R3.2-x86_64.iso.DIGESTS
Qubes-R3.2-x86_64.iso: OK
md5sum: WARNING: 23 lines are improperly formatted

host:/var/tmp/qubes root# lsblk
NAMEMAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda   8:01  14.9G  0 disk 
└─sda18:11  14.9G  0 part 

host:/var/tmp/qubes root# dd if=Qubes-R3.2-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sda
8294400+0 records in
8294400+0 records out
4246732800 bytes (4.2 GB) copied, 1095.08 s, 3.9 MB/s

host:/var/tmp/qubes root# md5sum /dev/sda
3c3669f4f633bf1adb9f9fe9142fb15d  /dev/sda

host:/var/tmp/qubes root# lsblk
NAMEMAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda   8:01  14.9G  0 disk 
├─sda18:11 4G  0 part 
└─sda28:21  30.8M  0 part 

The USB key did have the original SanDisk vendor default "tools" on it, I'll 
try deleting all data first as well.

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[qubes-users] Re: Installing on macOS Macbook

[pixel fairy]

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:20:51 PM UTC-8, dumbcyber wrote:
i had the same problem on my 11,3. how did you get it working?
> 
> On the Macbook I could not get past the initial installation menu (four 
> choices) which kept failing regardless of which option I chose. So I build 
> the Qubes disk on a Lenovo desktop. The same disk boots fine and works fine 
> on the Macbook Pro.

didnt work, it just ran up the fan until i shut it off by holding down the 
power button. it might be dom0. fedora 24 had the same problem, f25 worked.

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