Re: [qubes-users] X230 won't boot into Qubes after installing 4.0
Hello Taiidan, taii...@gmx.com schrieb am Mi., 11. Apr. 2018, 23:01: > (...) > I also suggest buying a *20 series non-chiclet keyboard while you are at > it, it is a good mod. > Is it possible to place the older non-chiclet keyboard in a X230? If so, do I need to modify my laptop in such a way that I can't go back to the Chiclet Keyboard (example selling the device)? Would love to use the older keyboard I had on my X200. [799] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAJ3yz2v3Lt%3D6gXjCg8CrRnLo7Taq6y4XXdsw7JCEoDy5J0U_%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Guide on installing Qubes and Coreboot with encrypted boot on thinkpads
Hey guys you don't need a VGA ROM for the integrated graphics - they use coreboot native init. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/83815341-1da4-75ae-87d3-e4f841bcc967%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 0xDF372A17.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Re: [qubes-users] Keyboard not working: How to make the buying decision?
On 04/13/2018 03:01 PM, 00010age...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there a way to know which keyboards are incompatible with QubesOS? > > Or do we just need to keep on buying keyboards until one works? You need to enable the keyboard sys-usb forwarding permission in qubes settings files, there is a guide on the website for that. > I'm asking because I bought the (IMHO best ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo; > wireless) "Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop" [0], but only the mouse works > (and only once you have logged into your QubesOS session), not the keyboard. > > So based on what is one supposed to make the buying decision? > The best keyboards are made in a first world country and have firmware that can't be internally flashed - the unicomp keyboards fit the bill here and are much more secure as the firmware can't be re-written and they are made in usa thus more trustworthy than one that is made in china. The price is very reasonable as they are expected to last for 30 years or so - mine is over a decade old and it still looks good as new after I clean it and it has also survived spills thanks to the drain holes and design that prevents water ingress. Mechanical keyboards are great :D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/408b21ce-9ffc-ecc9-b2f7-af2699444ac0%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 0xDF372A17.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Re: [qubes-users] Shaving N seconds off VM startup
Hello Chris, Thanks for the info, very interesting. Chris Laprise schrieb am Fr., 13. Apr. 2018, 19:20: > I've done some experimenting to get my Debian VMs to boot faster. So far > I've reduced the start time significantly by disabling these services in > the template: > (...). > Can you post some more I formation what you have done to measure startup time? Additionally I like to know if you can do the same for Fedora based VMs, as most of the AppVMs from me are Fedora based. Regards [799] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAJ3yz2vSpauKrpVMHk7s5z3esJxmHfO1-Hmbf2pZAZxtLWsfWQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Keyboard not working: How to make the buying decision?
> > sculpt ergonomic should work fine once you've allowed keyboard and mouse > forwarding (see the website faq on the usb qube). Thank you! I believe you are referring to the section "How to use a USB keyboard" at https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/usb/ - I will be trying this out ASAP. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/15427623-c6a0-4d2a-ac32-e6fe559f36d9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Keyboard not working: How to make the buying decision?
On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 9:01:23 PM UTC+2, 00010...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there a way to know which keyboards are incompatible with QubesOS? > > Or do we just need to keep on buying keyboards until one works? > > I'm asking because I bought the (IMHO best ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo; > wireless) "Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop" [0], but only the mouse works > (and only once you have logged into your QubesOS session), not the keyboard. > > So based on what is one supposed to make the buying decision? > > --- > [0] > https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/l5v-1 sculpt ergonomic should work fine once you've allowed keyboard and mouse forwarding (see the website faq on the usb qube). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/eb3b35a3-d1f1-4ac9-95e8-d3df3951171c%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Keyboard not working: How to make the buying decision?
Is there a way to know which keyboards are incompatible with QubesOS? Or do we just need to keep on buying keyboards until one works? I'm asking because I bought the (IMHO best ergonomic mouse/keyboard combo; wireless) "Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Desktop" [0], but only the mouse works (and only once you have logged into your QubesOS session), not the keyboard. So based on what is one supposed to make the buying decision? --- [0] https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/sculpt-ergonomic-desktop/l5v-1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4915f99d-0c76-4c46-a487-ea3d6fb445f4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Shaving N seconds off VM startup
I've done some experimenting to get my Debian VMs to boot faster. So far I've reduced the start time significantly by disabling these services in the template: apt-daily.service apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.service apt-daily-upgrade.timer pppd-dns lvm2-monitor Disabling the last two may have consequences, e.g. if you use VMs to access LVM storage. But that lvm2-monitor does consume a whopping 4+ seconds according to systemd-analyze. YMMV. And note that my criteria for picking these is just a cursory glance at unit start times. Ultimately, a good solution may be getting some of these units to start 10-20 seconds later. I think that makes sense in the case of lvm2-monitor. Some other time-consuming services like qubes-update-check already start later and don't seem to impact VM start times and responsiveness. FWIW, Ubuntu has announced that boot times have worsened a lot and they'll make an effort to reduce them (again). Not sure to what extent that reflects on Debian. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7bfee202-cf0d-0884-bca3-24772a9cf483%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Guide on installing Qubes and Coreboot with encrypted boot on thinkpads
Hi, On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 08:25:37PM +0200, 799 wrote: > as described in the howto I have extracted the vga.rom from my own > BIOS-files. > I can use resume and the laptop reconnects its network adapters as soon as > it wakes up. > So far no issues at all. thanks for explaining. > > The coreboot config I have used is here: > > > https://github.com/Qubes-Community/Contents/blob/ > > master/docs/coreboot/x230-configfile > > > > thanks, depending on your answer to the above question I probably > > compare yours with mine ;) > > > > Can you share your config file? > I am sure that there is room for improvement in my config. http://layer-acht.org/thinking/blog/20170827-coreboot-build-environment/ has a link to the config I used. (which doesnt use the nonfree vgabios blob, but then I also had resume issues, which you dont have...) -- cheers, Holger -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180413165601.pbalc3hyznzze7em%40layer-acht.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [qubes-users] How to verify Qubes
On 04/13/2018 11:21 AM, myblackcatisb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello community, first i want say, that iam a new member of this google-group and i want greet all. :) Iam a newbie of Qubes(Linux) and i use Windows 10 at time. Today I downloaded the current ISO image from the main page. Since I'm not so good with Linux in general, I turn to you. I downloaded the Qubes master signing key and try to verify it. Since I use Windows 10, I have also downloaded the program GPGEX. I open the program Cleopatra and click on the field "import". The tool gives me the hint that the certificate must first be authenticated and I have to create my own PGP certificate to verify others. After the mentioned configuration I get a key. Is this the Qubes key? How can I tell that this is the right key? For example, when I click the Decrypt / Verify tab in Kleopatra, I get the error message that the key contains certificates and can not be decrypted. When I enter the commands from the Qubes page into the Windows command prompt, I get the error message no such file... What am I doing wrong? I hope my question is not ridiculous and someone can help me. Previously, I never dealt with PGP and the like. I would be very happy about many answers. Thanks in advance You need the Qubes 4 Signing key in addition to the master key and the signature. If you don't mind using the shell, I posted a shortened verification howto here: https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f27a5258-419a-6b18-cb4f-a424746b8e34%40posteo.net -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ca84de00-645e-e26a-356e-f1de4d50d55d%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] How to verify Qubes
Hello community, first i want say, that iam a new member of this google-group and i want greet all. :) Iam a newbie of Qubes(Linux) and i use Windows 10 at time. Today I downloaded the current ISO image from the main page. Since I'm not so good with Linux in general, I turn to you. I downloaded the Qubes master signing key and try to verify it. Since I use Windows 10, I have also downloaded the program GPGEX. I open the program Cleopatra and click on the field "import". The tool gives me the hint that the certificate must first be authenticated and I have to create my own PGP certificate to verify others. After the mentioned configuration I get a key. Is this the Qubes key? How can I tell that this is the right key? For example, when I click the Decrypt / Verify tab in Kleopatra, I get the error message that the key contains certificates and can not be decrypted. When I enter the commands from the Qubes page into the Windows command prompt, I get the error message no such file... What am I doing wrong? I hope my question is not ridiculous and someone can help me. Previously, I never dealt with PGP and the like. I would be very happy about many answers. Thanks in advance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/18d035ef-37eb-45c5-afa5-284f004d9f4a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Windows 7 VM is freezing during the installation
On Fri, April 13, 2018 1:17 pm, Nico De Musso wrote: > I have the same issue.At the second boot the installation continue then > the window disappear. Check out taradiddles' pending documentation update (https://github.com/taradiddles/qubes-doc/blob/eec2893b2bf58206a6c18857f43eb854bc27af22/managing-os/windows/windows-vm.md) - look for the step about Cirrus video adapter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0cc2ce562f4ec27a2e77fc5c6f39a093.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Offtopic :: reasonable secure routers?
On 04/12/18 19:56, taii...@gmx.com wrote: I can't believe peoples standards have fallen so far down that simply letting you run linux and publishing the board diagram is considered "open source hardware" https://doc.turris.cz/doc/_media/rtrom01-schema.pdf https://doc.turris.cz/doc/_media/rtrom01-step3d.zip https://doc.turris.cz/doc/en/howto/turris_software?s[]=firmware https://gitlab.labs.nic.cz/turris https://git.freescale.com/git/cgit.cgi/ppc/sdk/boot-format.git/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a107d98c-7dde-5f2e-d8c2-40806cf32da1%40jhuapl.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Offtopic :: reasonable secure routers?
What's everyone's opinion of the Thinkpenguin router: https://thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-wireless-n-mini-vpn-router-tpe-r1100 Has FSF approval and uses LibreCMC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9983a4a9-4462-448a-bad7-1fdd95c15651%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] R4.0: Can't connect to sys-firewall from Standalone HVM (not based on TemplateVM)
On Fri, April 13, 2018 8:26 am, cr33dc0...@gmail.com wrote: > What I've tried so far: > - Installation of various Guest-OSs: Kali, Debian9 (stock), Ubuntu 16.04_4 > > > However, all of them where unable to establish a proper connection to > sys-firewall and by that to the internet. > > There is no chance some how to configure the networking automatically > over dhcp since sys-firewall does not offer this i guess. > > So what i've tried manually: > - Enter the StandaloneVM IP (as listed in the Qube Manager) > - Enter Gateway IP (of sys-firewall as listed in the Qube Manager) > - Enter the Netmask (as listed in the properties of each VM) This should work, but like you noted, use a netmask like 255.255.255.0. Getting the VMs to talk to each other is more complicated. See https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/firewall/#enabling-networking-between-two-qubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/adc898399ac62bebd52b3672601fe569.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Upgrade fedora 23 to fedora 24 on qubes 3.2
On Thu, April 12, 2018 11:16 am, Thomas Druilhe wrote: > Hello, > > > We want to upgrade our templates from fedora23 to fedora26 > > > 1) do we have to upgrade 23 to 24 then 24 to 25 then 25 to 26 or can we > do 23 to 26 ? > > 2) When we tried to upgrade template issues appear : > - error nothing provides pulseaudio = 8.0 needed by > qubes-gui-vm-3.2.13-1.fc24.x86_64 - error nothing provide python(abi) = > 3.6 needed by python3-dnf-plugins-qubes-hooks-3.2.10-1.fc24.x86_64 > > > After some research we added "--enablerepo=qubes-vm-r3.2-current-testing" > to the upgrade command "dnf --releasever=24 distro-sync" we also tried to > use --allowerasing option but it didn't work. > > is there a fix to this error ? or Adding fedora repo is a viable > workaround ? Don't know answers to your questions, but might be easiest to install the fedora-26 template directly with: sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-26 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/906cbe66e207d73f4da823a592a35187.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Q4.0 Whonix Torbrowser no sound, says to install pulseaudio ...
john: > Q4.0 Whonix Torbrowser no sound, says to install pulseaudio ... > > but is that a plugin for the AppVM or something to install in Whonix-ws > Template or ? am confused > This issue (and others) are resolved in whonix 14, now in testing -- you can upgrade here: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Upgrading_Whonix_13_to_Whonix_14 Although it will be less work/risk if you can wait until the templates are ready. If you attempt the upgrade, be sure to backup your Whonix appVMs and templateVMs first! -m0ssy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/886dd238-1a6a-1860-b538-9bc57f49ec4d%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Windows 7 VM is freezing during the installation
I have the same issue.At the second boot the installation continue then the window disappear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/21db9e76-74bd-4542-9a0b-45ca56a35b73%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Windows 7 VM is freezing during the installation
Hi everyone, I got an issue in Qubes OS R4.0 when I'm trying to install Windows 7 on a Standalone VM. The beginning worked well : the installation proceeds and the VM make a first reboot which works correctly. When I launch again the VM, the installation continues but the VM freezed when it comes to the second reboot. If I kill the VM and restart it, the installation fails and I'm forced to delete the VM in order to restart the process right at the beginning. I tried three times and it's always the same thing. Are there some people who had the same issue ? Regards. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9446fa2c-500d-4d7f-b415-68277234d0ea%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Q4.0 Whonix Torbrowser no sound, says to install pulseaudio ...
Am Freitag, 13. April 2018 10:04:12 UTC+2 schrieb john: > Q4.0 Whonix Torbrowser no sound, says to install pulseaudio ... > > but is that a plugin for the AppVM or something to install in Whonix-ws > Template or ? am confused As far as i understood this: If you want to have an Application for your AppVM, you need to install this Application on the TemplateVM, update it, reboot and then it should be available in the "Applications" Tab in the VMs settings. Hope I could have helped you with that. Cheers, Jonny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/248ed9f2-93c3-4906-ba01-ffa5be3e5ed9%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] R4.0: Can't connect to sys-firewall from Standalone HVM (not based on TemplateVM)
Hey there, i'm fairly new to Qubes and want to build a subnet of 3 standaloneVMs which are able to communicate through VLAN with each other. after tried some self created AppVMs, I thought it would be similar using full virtualized standalone Guest-OSs. What I've tried so far: - Installation of various Guest-OSs: Kali, Debian9 (stock), Ubuntu 16.04_4 However, all of them where unable to establish a proper connection to sys-firewall and by that to the internet. There is no chance some how to configure the networking automatically over dhcp since sys-firewall does not offer this i guess. So what i've tried manually: - Enter the StandaloneVM IP (as listed in the Qube Manager) - Enter Gateway IP (of sys-firewall as listed in the Qube Manager) - Enter the Netmask (as listed in the properties of each VM) The moment i entered the netmask (32) / (255.255.255.255) the Gateway IP turns yellow (i guess that means: "Can't reach Gateway" or something like that) When i set the netmask to (24) / (255.255.255.0) the yellow disappear but i cant connect to the internet, because sys-net provided this netmask (32) to sys-firewall and sys-firewall to all connected ones. My Question? Why its no problem for the AppVMs to connect with sys-firewall but the standalone ones can't ? Hope someone can help me with it. Also tried to manually change the netmask in sys-net but it changes back after reboot. Thanks, Jonny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/fb5c51a0-4389-4440-9f3e-25cc181de36e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Q4.0 Whonix Torbrowser no sound, says to install pulseaudio ...
Q4.0 Whonix Torbrowser no sound, says to install pulseaudio ... but is that a plugin for the AppVM or something to install in Whonix-ws Template or ? am confused -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/73559bab-a1e6-49d3-09e6-b4bad356cc91%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.