Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
gaurav10ni...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, 10 May 2017 21:27:27 UTC+5:30, David Taylor wrote: > I want to get offset between 0.5-2 ms. Can it be achieved using meinberg > application? Please note "the meinberg application" is just a set of precompiled binaries built from the original NTP sources available here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Main/SoftwareDownloads Please note also that the accuracy a client achieves depends strongly on the characteristics of the network (jitter asymmetry, etc.) and even more on the basic stability of the client system, e.g., how much the client's undisciplined system time varies due to changes in the ambient temperature, how good the operating system supports accurate timekeeping, etc. Several Windows versions have different limitations, for which ntpd for Windows tries to provide workarounds to achieve the best accuracy and precision that is possible. > If yes, Kindly share the parameters required to be changed to get offset > value in the required range. Under Windows you should use "minpoll 6 maxpoll 6" when you specify the NTP server(s) in ntp.conf, e.g.: server aa.bb.cc.dd iburst minpoll 6 maxpoll 6 where aa.bb.cc.dd should be replaced by the host name or IP address of an NTP server. See also: https://www.meinbergglobal.com/download/burnicki/time_synchronization_accuracy_with_ntp.pdf Regards, Martin -- Martin Burnicki Meinberg Funkuhren Bad Pyrmont Germany ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 26/05/2017 12:59, gaurav10ni...@gmail.com wrote: []> Hi David, I want to get offset between 0.5-2 ms. Can it be achieved using meinberg application? If yes, Kindly share the parameters required to be changed to get offset value in the required range. Regards, Gaurav Gaurav, As with many things, "it depends". Here are my offsets with NTP and Windows, using a PPS signal from a GPS device: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php#windows-stratum-1 - provide good sky view for the GPS receiver. - use Windows 10 (Windows-8 also acceptable). - light, constant load. - keep the temperature as constant as you can. Is the performance show good enough? See my Web page for the parameters I use, but if you have a PPS source that's usually good enough. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On Wednesday, 10 May 2017 21:27:27 UTC+5:30, David Taylor wrote: > On 10/05/2017 14:40, gaurav10ni...@gmail.com wrote: > [] > > Hi Jacob, > > > > Can you please share the procedure for implementing version 4 of NTP client > > on windows 7? > > > > Regards, > > Gaurav > > Gaurav, > > Meinberg kindly provide an installer: > >https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_stable > > I have some notes here: > >http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html > > -- > Cheers, > David > Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Hi David, I want to get offset between 0.5-2 ms. Can it be achieved using meinberg application? If yes, Kindly share the parameters required to be changed to get offset value in the required range. Regards, Gaurav ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 12/05/2017 06:33, Jakob Bohm wrote: [] Note that all recent/current versions of the Windows Time Service are in fact SNTP/NTP implementations, with quality of implementation improving in newer versions. Old (now unsupported) versions of the Windows Time Service violated the SNTP/NTP specification in ways that required special workarounds in standard NTP servers. Even older implementations that didn't even include a service named "windows time service" used simplistic time queries over the SMB protocol. Besides being included with the OS, the "windows time service" typically defaults to imposing a much lower load on the selected time source, by using much longer poll intervals. In "Active Directory" (Windows 2000 and later) setups, there is also a dead simple automatic configuration, where each machine simply syncs against it's nearest "upstream" in the authentication/management hierarchy, limiting practical management work to machines that have no such "upstream", such as the 2 to 4 machines at the top of the tree. And of cause machines needing more precise time than needed by the basic Windows functions. Enjoy Jakob If the Windows Time Service is good enough for your needs, then use it. Multi-platform operation, ease of management, monitoring, accuracy, ability to accept reference clocks make the reference NTP my preferred choice for Windows. Cheers, David -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 10/05/2017 15:03, David Taylor wrote: On 10/05/2017 07:03, Jakob Bohm wrote: [] Using NTP 4.2.8p10 instead of the Windows Time Service doesn't make sense on most Windows machines, but it does make sense in some situations where the Windows Time Service included with Windows cannot be configured to behave as desired. Enjoy Jakob That is not an opinion with which everyone would agree. For me, the reference NTP should be the default installation on Windows PCs for its flexibility, configuration, management and performance capabilities, and its compatibility with other OSes making management across multi-platform installations easier. Only where NTP is an unacceptable option would I accept Windows Time Service - it's a much poorer and less flexible alternative. Note that all recent/current versions of the Windows Time Service are in fact SNTP/NTP implementations, with quality of implementation improving in newer versions. Old (now unsupported) versions of the Windows Time Service violated the SNTP/NTP specification in ways that required special workarounds in standard NTP servers. Even older implementations that didn't even include a service named "windows time service" used simplistic time queries over the SMB protocol. Besides being included with the OS, the "windows time service" typically defaults to imposing a much lower load on the selected time source, by using much longer poll intervals. In "Active Directory" (Windows 2000 and later) setups, there is also a dead simple automatic configuration, where each machine simply syncs against it's nearest "upstream" in the authentication/management hierarchy, limiting practical management work to machines that have no such "upstream", such as the 2 to 4 machines at the top of the tree. And of cause machines needing more precise time than needed by the basic Windows functions. Enjoy Jakob -- Jakob Bohm, CIO, Partner, WiseMo A/S. https://www.wisemo.com Transformervej 29, 2860 Søborg, Denmark. Direct +45 31 13 16 10 This public discussion message is non-binding and may contain errors. WiseMo - Remote Service Management for PCs, Phones and Embedded ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:57:36 UTC+5:30, David Taylor wrote: > NTP 4.2.8p10 released > > Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: > http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html > > Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz > > -- > Cheers, > David > Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Hi David, Is there any way to implement NTP version 4.2.8p10 in windows time service? Regards, Gaurav ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 2017-05-09 01:45, ashu6...@gmail.com wrote: > How can we add redundant server into NTP 4.2.8p10 ? If we try to > edit the configuration file it's not switching to the redundant > server? After changing the /etc/ntp.conf file, you need to restart any server ntp daemon using it to put changes into effect. When dealing with ntp, patience is often required, to see if changes have any obvious effect. If you have insufficient truechimer sources (3, 5, ...) to form a *majority* clique, the time will not be updated, as if you had no sources. The ntpd daemon looks at the time provided by all upstream sources using its algorithms and calculates the correctness interval of the majority clique survivors using averages weighted by the normalised reciprocal root distance to give the smallest maximum error in both offset and jitter. If the survivor source with the smallest root distance (and thus smallest maximum error), the candidate source, is not the same as the previous system source and the offset difference between the candidate source and the previous system source is less than the clockhop threshold (initially 1ms), the system source stays the same and the clockhop threshold is halved, so it could take more than one poll interval to replace the system source if offsets are very similar. These values are updated every time another packet is received from any upstream source and passes sanity checks, or the system source is unreachable after eight poll intervals. This could take 128s (~2min) for LAN sources with minpoll 4, or 512s (~8min) for network sources with minpoll 6; except at startup with sources using iburst, when six packets are sent at poll 1 (2s intervals), or after operating for a long period, with network sources at default maxpoll 10/1024s, when it could take ~136min to become unreachable. For more details see: https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/prefer.html#clockhop and linked/related pages. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
ashu6...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi david, > How can we add redundant server into NTP 4.2.8p10 ? If we try to > edit the configuration file it's not switching to the redundant > server? The NTP reference implementation (ntpd) does not use redundancy in the way you might expect. I.e., you can't configure a "master" and a "slave" time source and expect the client to use only the master and switch to the slave when the master becomes unavailable. Instead, you can configure several time sources, and ntpd periodically checks them all, uses some voting process to see which send the same, best, and most accurate time, and selects the "best" time source as so-called "system peer". The local system time adjustment is derived from the weighted time offset from the system peer plus some other time sources which provide similar accuracy. If the selected system peer becomes unavailable then the client ntpd discards it and selects a new one from the remaining time sources. Please note that configuring exactly 2 time sources is the worst you can do: if both time sources provide a slightly different time then the client ntpd is unable to determine which one provides the "right" time. Further reading: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/SelectingOffsiteNTPServers#Section_5.3.3. http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/prefer.html http://doc.ntp.org/current-stable/cluster.html Regards, Martin -- Martin Burnicki Meinberg Funkuhren Bad Pyrmont Germany ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 09/05/17 09:45, ashu6...@gmail.com wrote: > How can we add redundant server into NTP 4.2.8p10 ? If we try to > edit the configuration file it's not switching to the redundant > server? Maybe it's just me or I am dumb, but I am not sure I understand what you are talking about. Could you please elaborate on what your problem is, how you tried to solve it, and what the relation is with the release of 4.2.8p10? Ciao -- bronto ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi david, How can we add redundant server into NTP 4.2.8p10 ? If we try to edit the configuration file it's not switching to the redundant server? Regards Ashish On Thursday, 23 March 2017 21:40:04 UTC+5:30, Martin Burnicki wrote: > David Taylor wrote: > > NTP 4.2.8p10 released > > > > Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: > > http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html > > > > Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz > > And a full-featured installer including the current openSSL DLL is now > available at > https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_stable > > Martin > -- > Martin Burnicki > > Meinberg Funkuhren > Bad Pyrmont > Germany ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 07/04/2017 08:33, seema pandhre wrote: On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 6:57:36 PM UTC+5:30, David Taylor wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Hi David, Do you run the tests for ntp on Linux box as well? Can you please help me with its steps. I mean the tests folder which is available in ntp source. I run NTP on x86 and ARM Linux boxes: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php#versions but my tests are very simple - does the software run? - is the output of "ntpq -crv -pn" as expected? - is the timekeeping steady? - is there an obvious memory leak? -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 6:57:36 PM UTC+5:30, David Taylor wrote: > NTP 4.2.8p10 released > > Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: > http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html > > Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz > > -- > Cheers, > David > Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Hi David, Do you run the tests for ntp on Linux box as well? Can you please help me with its steps. I mean the tests folder which is available in ntp source. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 27/03/2017 22:34, Dan Gearty wrote: Hi David, that is interesting that the problem does not manifest across the board given Martin's description of the bug. I am using the Meinberg build on Windows 10 Pro. I had previously been depending upon the environment variable. PPSAPI_DLLS=loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll Yes, with five PCs here I would have expected at least one of them to have the problem. Perhaps my compile on VS 2015 (for some reason) doesn't have the issue? All mine are Win-10/64 Pro. Oh, well! -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi David, that is interesting that the problem does not manifest across the board given Martin's description of the bug. I am using the Meinberg build on Windows 10 Pro. I had previously been depending upon the environment variable. PPSAPI_DLLS=loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Thank you Martin. I tried the registry fix. Key Name: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\NTP Value 9 Name:PPSProviders Type:REG_MULTI_SZ Data:loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll I can confirm that it works. 27 Mar 17:08:48 ntpd[1188]: time_pps_create: loaded 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll' ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 27/03/2017 15:50, Martin Burnicki wrote: [] This is a bug which made it into ntpd 4.2.8p10. I've just found the reason and opened an issue on bugzilla: http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3402 I've also already a fix for this. The best solution for you is to specify the DLL name in a registry key instead of the environment variable. Run regedit and open this registry path: HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\services\NTP Then create a new key as multipart string, with the name "PPSProviders", and the contents "loopback_pps_api_provider.dll". Or, as a temporary workaround for the environment variables, you could try to append a dummy DLL name to the real DLL name, e.g.: PPSAPI_DLLS=loopback_pps_api_provider.dll;dummy Martin As it happens, on two Win-10/64 Pro PCs here the bug doesn't appear to exist, and they (continue) to run correctly with: PPSAPI_DLLS=loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll I've updated the bug. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Dan, Dan Gearty wrote: > I have been using the loopback driver on Windows 10. It had been > running OK in older versions up to 4.2.8p9. Now in 4.2.8p10 it > appears that junk characters are appended to the driver name when it > is called. The junk characters are different each time NTP is > restarted. This is a bug which made it into ntpd 4.2.8p10. I've just found the reason and opened an issue on bugzilla: http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3402 I've also already a fix for this. The best solution for you is to specify the DLL name in a registry key instead of the environment variable. Run regedit and open this registry path: HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\services\NTP Then create a new key as multipart string, with the name "PPSProviders", and the contents "loopback_pps_api_provider.dll". Or, as a temporary workaround for the environment variables, you could try to append a dummy DLL name to the real DLL name, e.g.: PPSAPI_DLLS=loopback_pps_api_provider.dll;dummy Martin -- Martin Burnicki Meinberg Funkuhren Bad Pyrmont Germany ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 25/03/2017 22:09, Dan Gearty wrote: I have been using the loopback driver on Windows 10. It had been running OK in older versions up to 4.2.8p9. Now in 4.2.8p10 it appears that junk characters are appended to the driver name when it is called. The junk characters are different each time NTP is restarted. 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?': The specified module could not be found 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?) --> 2 / No such file or directory 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?': The specified module could not be found 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?) --> 2 / No such file or directory 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\A': The specified module could not be found 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\A) --> 2 / No such file or directory 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: no providers available 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: refclock_ppsapi: time_pps_create: Exec format error 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: GPS_NMEA(4) flag1 1 but PPSAPI fails Dan, Sorry to hear of the problem. PCs Harstad and Lund here are using the loopback DLL and are still working correctly: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/harstad_ntp_2.html http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/lund-ntp-2.html Note that I install NTP outside the "Program Files" tree to avoid permissions issues, and most likely I have /not/ updated the loopback DLL. The NTP executables are from my own build: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html and checking...the loopback DLL details are: 18/06/2016 15:5175,776 loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll installed in C:\Tools\NTP\bin\ in each case. So that DLL version /does/ work with 4.2.8p10 binaries. Checked on Win-10/64 in each case. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 2017-03-25 22:57, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2017-03-25 16:09, Dan Gearty wrote: >> I have been using the loopback driver on Windows 10. >> It had been running OK in older versions up to 4.2.8p9. >> Now in 4.2.8p10 it appears that junk characters are appended to the >> driver name when it is called. The junk characters are different each >> time NTP is restarted. >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files >> (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?': The specified module >> could not be found >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files >> (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?) --> 2 / No such file >> or directory >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files >> (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?': The specified module could not be found >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files >> (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?) --> 2 / No such file or directory >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files >> (x86)\NTP\bin\A': The specified module could not be found >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files >> (x86)\NTP\bin\A) --> 2 / No such file or directory >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: no providers available >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: refclock_ppsapi: time_pps_create: Exec format >> error >> 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: GPS_NMEA(4) flag1 1 but PPSAPI fails > > Have you defined the System (HKLM) environment variable PPSAPI_DLLS to > point to C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll? > > Win-Break/Advanced system settings/Advanced tab/Environment Variables... > button/ > /System variables pane/New.../New System Variable dialogue: > Variable name: PPSAPI_DLLS > Variable value: C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll > > reg query "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session > Manager\Environment" /f PPSAPI_DLLS > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session > Manager\Environment > PPSAPI_DLLSREG_SZC:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll > End of search: 1 match(es) found. Of course that command line wrapped at the most ambiguous place: cmd > reg query "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment" ^ More? /f PPSAPI_DLLS HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment PPSAPI_DLLSREG_SZC:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll End of search: 1 match(es) found. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
On 2017-03-25 16:09, Dan Gearty wrote: > I have been using the loopback driver on Windows 10. > It had been running OK in older versions up to 4.2.8p9. > Now in 4.2.8p10 it appears that junk characters are appended to the > driver name when it is called. The junk characters are different each > time NTP is restarted. > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?': The specified module > could not be found > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?) --> 2 / No such file > or directory > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?': The specified module could not be found > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?) --> 2 / No such file or directory > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\A': The specified module could not be found > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files > (x86)\NTP\bin\A) --> 2 / No such file or directory > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: no providers available > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: refclock_ppsapi: time_pps_create: Exec format > error > 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: GPS_NMEA(4) flag1 1 but PPSAPI fails Have you defined the System (HKLM) environment variable PPSAPI_DLLS to point to C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll? Win-Break/Advanced system settings/Advanced tab/Environment Variables... button/ /System variables pane/New.../New System Variable dialogue: Variable name: PPSAPI_DLLS Variable value: C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll reg query "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment" /f PPSAPI_DLLS HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment PPSAPI_DLLSREG_SZC:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll End of search: 1 match(es) found. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
I have been using the loopback driver on Windows 10. It had been running OK in older versions up to 4.2.8p9. Now in 4.2.8p10 it appears that junk characters are appended to the driver name when it is called. The junk characters are different each time NTP is restarted. 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?': The specified module could not be found 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\loopback-ppsapi-provider.dll???nY?) --> 2 / No such file or directory 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?': The specified module could not be found 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\??h?l?) --> 2 / No such file or directory 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: load_pps_provider: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\A': The specified module could not be found 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: load failed (C:\Program Files (x86)\NTP\bin\A) --> 2 / No such file or directory 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: time_pps_create: no providers available 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: refclock_ppsapi: time_pps_create: Exec format error 25 Mar 16:57:32 ntpd[14436]: GPS_NMEA(4) flag1 1 but PPSAPI fails ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi, I asked my original question to see if the process could be improved. For instance, it would be good if there was direct pointers to the various distributions page where packaging state and availability for various releases would be shown and updates. This is what can be found for several other security bug scenarios. Especially for security updates, it is more important for coordinating the efforts and help showing how this is handed off. While each party have their responsibility, they way things coordinate can be important for how smooth the upgrade becomes for the users. I wanted to just ask about it to see if there is improvements to be done. For the moment, I don't have 4.2.8p10 available in my version of distro (Debian testing). Packaging is important to many, so this is to illustrate possible improvements. MVH Magnus On 03/24/2017 09:30 AM, Harlan Stenn wrote: Hal, Thanks - we're going over the lists and processes to improve things. H -- Hal Murray writes: Harlan said: We're open to doing an even better job of telling folks about things like this. I think a message should go out to (almost?) all lists when security fixes are available to the general public. The first mail on questions was David Taylor's announcement of the availability of Windows binaries. There was no mention of a security release . I just checked the archives for announce. Nothing since April 2015. The hackers list has only 3 messages in March. None was an announcement. If the mailing list traffic has moved to other lists and/or venues, then please make an official announcement and disable the old lists. (but please save the archives) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hal, Thanks - we're going over the lists and processes to improve things. H -- Hal Murray writes: > > Harlan said: > > We're open to doing an even better job of telling folks about things like > > this. > > I think a message should go out to (almost?) all lists when security fixes > are available to the general public. > > The first mail on questions was David Taylor's announcement of the > availability of Windows binaries. There was no mention of a security release > . > > I just checked the archives for announce. Nothing since April 2015. > > The hackers list has only 3 messages in March. None was an announcement. > > > If the mailing list traffic has moved to other lists and/or venues, then > please make an official announcement and disable the old lists. (but please > save the archives) > > > -- > These are my opinions. I hate spam. > > > > ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Harlan said: > We're open to doing an even better job of telling folks about things like > this. I think a message should go out to (almost?) all lists when security fixes are available to the general public. The first mail on questions was David Taylor's announcement of the availability of Windows binaries. There was no mention of a security release. I just checked the archives for announce. Nothing since April 2015. The hackers list has only 3 messages in March. None was an announcement. If the mailing list traffic has moved to other lists and/or venues, then please make an official announcement and disable the old lists. (but please save the archives) -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Martin Burnicki writes: > Dan Geist wrote: > > I don't disagree, but along with membership in the consortium comes > > additional benefits like that. > > > > I'm guessing Suse, FreeBSD, and Debian were all had the opportunity > > to be working on patched versions a couple weeks ago when the NTF > > folks sent out the original messaging: > > http://nwtime.org/current-members-donors/ > > > > I believe even individual members would have gotten access to the > > code pre public-release. NTF isn't "for profit" but it needs to keep > > the lights on somehow... > > True. > > However, I'm not sure if every NTF member gets early notification about > security issues that need to be fixed. I also think this does not > necessarily be the case. All institutional members get notification of upcoming security patches. Premier- and Partner-level members (which includes opensource projects that sign an NDA for access to pre-release security patches) get the actual patches. Most individual members do not get early access, but trusted project developers who have signed the Volunteer agreement (which has an NDA) get early access as well. -- Harlan Stenn http://networktimefoundation.org - be a member! ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Dan Geist wrote: > I don't disagree, but along with membership in the consortium comes > additional benefits like that. > > I'm guessing Suse, FreeBSD, and Debian were all had the opportunity > to be working on patched versions a couple weeks ago when the NTF > folks sent out the original messaging: > http://nwtime.org/current-members-donors/ > > I believe even individual members would have gotten access to the > code pre public-release. NTF isn't "for profit" but it needs to keep > the lights on somehow... True. However, I'm not sure if every NTF member gets early notification about security issues that need to be fixed. I also think this does not necessarily be the case. Martin ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/23/2017 05:12 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: >> Magnus Danielson schrieb: >>> Hi Martin, >>> >>> On 03/23/2017 03:25 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: >> NTP 4.2.8p10 released >> >> Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: >> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html >> >> Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz >> > > Is bugs generated in distros? > Debian for instance. What do you mean? I don't understand your question. >>> >>> In particular for security updates it would be good to do coordinated >>> filing of a tracking bug for various Linux distributions, such that >>> they upgrade their packaging quickly. Exactly who does what may vary, >>> but with some form of orchestrated handling upgrading may become >>> quicker. >> >> The folks who are in the security group knew about the upcoming security >> release, but I agree an email should have been sent on the normal NTP >> announce mailing list as soon as the new version became available.. > > It took some time to find: > > https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ntp.html > > 4.2.8p10 now in unstable. Hope it ripples out to the others soon. AFAIK some Linux distros prefer not to provide updated versions, but instead try to backport batches themselves. Martin ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Magnus Danielson writes: > Hi, > > On 03/23/2017 05:12 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: > > Magnus Danielson schrieb: > >> Hi Martin, > >> > >> On 03/23/2017 03:25 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: > >>> Hi Magnus, > >>> > >>> Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: > > NTP 4.2.8p10 released > > > > Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: > > http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html > > > > Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz > > > > Is bugs generated in distros? > Debian for instance. > >>> > >>> What do you mean? I don't understand your question. > >> > >> In particular for security updates it would be good to do coordinated > >> filing of a tracking bug for various Linux distributions, such that > >> they upgrade their packaging quickly. Exactly who does what may vary, > >> but with some form of orchestrated handling upgrading may become > >> quicker. > > > > The folks who are in the security group knew about the upcoming security > > release, but I agree an email should have been sent on the normal NTP > > announce mailing list as soon as the new version became available.. > > It took some time to find: > > https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ntp.html > > 4.2.8p10 now in unstable. Hope it ripples out to the others soon. > > My point here is that we like to make sure the progress is there and > easy to evaluate when an update is possible. For certainly more than 5 years' time we've been offering early security patch access to OS vendors and other folks who include or embed NTP in their products. We've put this offer in all of our CERT announcements, which go out at least a week before the public release of any security release. We've listed access to advance security patches at: http://nwtime.org/membership/benefits/ since the launch of the NTF website, and this access was also listed on a similar page for several years' time before that when I set up the NTP Forum at ISC. We're open to doing an even better job of telling folks about things like this. Recommendations welcome. -- Harlan Stenn http://networktimefoundation.org - be a member! ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi, On 03/23/2017 05:12 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: Magnus Danielson schrieb: Hi Martin, On 03/23/2017 03:25 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz Is bugs generated in distros? Debian for instance. What do you mean? I don't understand your question. In particular for security updates it would be good to do coordinated filing of a tracking bug for various Linux distributions, such that they upgrade their packaging quickly. Exactly who does what may vary, but with some form of orchestrated handling upgrading may become quicker. The folks who are in the security group knew about the upcoming security release, but I agree an email should have been sent on the normal NTP announce mailing list as soon as the new version became available.. It took some time to find: https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ntp.html 4.2.8p10 now in unstable. Hope it ripples out to the others soon. My point here is that we like to make sure the progress is there and easy to evaluate when an update is possible. Cheers, Magnus ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Magnus Danielson schrieb: > Hi Martin, > > On 03/23/2017 03:25 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: >> Hi Magnus, >> >> Magnus Danielson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz >>> >>> Is bugs generated in distros? >>> Debian for instance. >> >> What do you mean? I don't understand your question. > > In particular for security updates it would be good to do coordinated > filing of a tracking bug for various Linux distributions, such that > they upgrade their packaging quickly. Exactly who does what may vary, > but with some form of orchestrated handling upgrading may become > quicker. The folks who are in the security group knew about the upcoming security release, but I agree an email should have been sent on the normal NTP announce mailing list as soon as the new version became available.. Martin ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
David Taylor wrote: > NTP 4.2.8p10 released > > Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: > http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html > > Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz And a full-featured installer including the current openSSL DLL is now available at https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_stable Martin -- Martin Burnicki Meinberg Funkuhren Bad Pyrmont Germany ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi Martin, On 03/23/2017 03:25 PM, Martin Burnicki wrote: Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi, On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz Is bugs generated in distros? Debian for instance. What do you mean? I don't understand your question. In particular for security updates it would be good to do coordinated filing of a tracking bug for various Linux distributions, such that they upgrade their packaging quickly. Exactly who does what may vary, but with some form of orchestrated handling upgrading may become quicker. Cheers, Magnus ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi Magnus, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: >> NTP 4.2.8p10 released >> >> Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: >> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html >> >> Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz >> > > Is bugs generated in distros? > Debian for instance. What do you mean? I don't understand your question. Martin ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8p10 released
Hi, On 03/22/2017 02:27 PM, David Taylor wrote: NTP 4.2.8p10 released Windows binaries working on Windows-XP SP3 & later - download: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/x86/index.html Source: http://archive.ntp.org/ntp4/ntp-4.2/ntp-4.2.8p10.tar.gz Is bugs generated in distros? Debian for instance. Cheers, Magnus ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions
