Re: [racket-users] Re: FYI Racket & DrRacket tagged projects on GitHub

2019-01-13 Thread Tomasz Rola 
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 02:49:18PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 06:44:26PM +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
[...]
> 
> Text-form is a lot easier to read in security-conscious text-only email 
> readers.

Sure. It also has this nice property of delivering information without
distraction :-). There is a small security risk with text, too - it is
about embedding terminal codes which cause execution by terminal
emulator, but as far as I can say, xterm has that issue solved.

[...]
> I tried org-mode.  More unobvious keystroke sequences to follow, in 

Myself, I treat org files as just text files - learned few keystrokes
(entering time and some list manipulations) but most of other things
(like tables) I do from menu (I have some of those keystrokes taken by
my FVWM configuration).

But one does not have to know any keystrokes in Emacs, it is just a
matter of moving one's wrists properly:

https://www.xkcd.com/378/

> addition to the ones I learned decades ago and are now muscle memory.  
> And when I transformed it to other formats (probably html, but possibly 
> pdf) I ended up with many huge headers that took so much space that the 
> document was quite unreadable.  Perhaps I just don't know how to use it 
> properly.

I have not tried this so I am not sure what happens. If I have time, I
will try to see what kind of problem this may be.

> I found markdown to be a lot better for nested point-form work, even 
> though emacs won't collapse or expanding subtrees.  (or will it?  If so 
> I don't know of it)

There are some answers here, and maybe some of it will work:

https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/7115/collapse-sections-in-markdown

I guess I can read raw markdown in email just fine, it seems to look
almost like raw org file.

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Re: [racket-users] Re: FYI Racket & DrRacket tagged projects on GitHub

2019-01-12 Thread Hendrik Boom 
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 06:44:26PM +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:10:27AM +0100, 'Paulo Matos' via Racket Users 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/01/2019 17:23, Greg Trzeciak wrote:
> > > What would be really neat if https://pkgs.racket-lang.org/ would include
> > > date-added to all the packages. This way one could create automatic list
> > > of newly added packages and let's say distribute it in the newsletter
> > 
> > Which newsletter are you referring to here?
> > 
> > I had been thinking of getting a Racket Newsletter out of the ground but
> > haven't come around to it yet. Have you discussed previously something
> > in this direction? If so, I would like to help.
> 
> MHO:
> 
> If there is something to post in a form of "newsletter", then I think
> it could as well be posted here - why not - with perrmission from the
> group/moderators. Say, once per month? Bi-weekly?
> 
> If the said newsletter is in txt format rather than html, you may want
> to put it into org-mode in Emacs and post it as saved file from
> that.

Text-form is a lot easier to read in security-conscious text-only email 
readers.

> See y-tube for a glimpse of what org-mode is up to.  I would
> say, it is very neat tool for hierarchical contents (books, speeches
> etc). Some are using it to prepare presentations, and I guess it could
> be used for blogging (i.e. writing posts and converting them to actual
> markup later). I use it "as is" for a very primitive personal wiki
> (might improve some if I sit on it and add some code - primitive it is
> but it works without web server and on vt100 so I will not trade it
> for anything "better" - YMMV).

I tried org-mode.  More unobvious keystroke sequences to follow, in 
addition to the ones I learned decades ago and are now muscle memory.  
And when I transformed it to other formats (probably html, but possibly 
pdf) I ended up with many huge headers that took so much space that the 
document was quite unreadable.  Perhaps I just don't know how to use it 
properly.

I found markdown to be a lot better for nested point-form work, even 
though emacs won't collapse or expanding subtrees.  (or will it?  If so 
I don't know of it)

How does scribble do this?  Does it look good in source form?

-- hendrik

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Re: [racket-users] Re: FYI Racket & DrRacket tagged projects on GitHub

2019-01-12 Thread Tomasz Rola 
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:10:27AM +0100, 'Paulo Matos' via Racket Users wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/01/2019 17:23, Greg Trzeciak wrote:
> > What would be really neat if https://pkgs.racket-lang.org/ would include
> > date-added to all the packages. This way one could create automatic list
> > of newly added packages and let's say distribute it in the newsletter
> 
> Which newsletter are you referring to here?
> 
> I had been thinking of getting a Racket Newsletter out of the ground but
> haven't come around to it yet. Have you discussed previously something
> in this direction? If so, I would like to help.

MHO:

If there is something to post in a form of "newsletter", then I think
it could as well be posted here - why not - with perrmission from the
group/moderators. Say, once per month? Bi-weekly?

If the said newsletter is in txt format rather than html, you may want
to put it into org-mode in Emacs and post it as saved file from
that. See y-tube for a glimpse of what org-mode is up to.  I would
say, it is very neat tool for hierarchical contents (books, speeches
etc). Some are using it to prepare presentations, and I guess it could
be used for blogging (i.e. writing posts and converting them to actual
markup later). I use it "as is" for a very primitive personal wiki
(might improve some if I sit on it and add some code - primitive it is
but it works without web server and on vt100 so I will not trade it
for anything "better" - YMMV).

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Tomasz Rola

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Re: [racket-users] Re: FYI Racket & DrRacket tagged projects on GitHub

2019-01-12 Thread Greg Trzeciak 
I don't think I mentioned newsletter before but I did raise the issue of 
missing date-added in packages before - my expertise is in data 
usefulness/usability so it really hurts my feelings ;)

I agree about hidden gems I stumble upon by pure chance. 
>From time to time I try to search pkgs site for new tag - but this is 
tedious and because of date-added problem it also includes updated packages 
(and that includes the "subpackages" like *-doc, *-test, *-lib) which 
muddies the water even further.
I can't help much with packages as a concept (because I don't fully 
understand all the implications of package management) but I can help with 
what we can do with the information extracted.

As to the newsletter - I remember Julia lang listing new packages on their 
website with a chart showing how many were added each month - now they are 
doing it in the form of newsletter - here is the content of the most recent 
one: https://juliacomputing.com/blog/2019/01/04/january-newsletter.html

Some ideas:
1. Add "date-added" to meta data on packages
2. Sort out the subpackages issue (at least for display on website and 
making it identifiable in the meta data)
3. Automatically post info to Racket Users Group when a new package (not 
subpackages though) with description, docs and tests implemented is added.
4. Add "intro-post.scrbl" for authors to introduce their packages. This 
after approval could be posted as a blog post and a blog post automatically 
advertised on twitter. This could help authors advertise their packages and 
encourage to bring more goodies.
5. Simple version of #4: use readme.md as a content for blog post if 
approved.
6. Provide statistics on new and updated packages.
7. Make it easy/clear on how to contribute to racket blog (how to post) and 
that it is welcomed.
8. Racket outreach - invite racket users to write a blog posts, recent 
example: I would like to hear from guys from https://fractalide.com/ on 
their use of racket.
9. Take the burden for the marketing of racket from the core Racket team - 
their contribution is much more valuable in other areas. How? I have no 
idea :) But maybe by things like #7 it will be easier to get other people 
on board.

That's all for now.

G.


On Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 11:10:42 AM UTC+1, Paulo Matos wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/01/2019 17:23, Greg Trzeciak wrote: 
> > What would be really neat if https://pkgs.racket-lang.org/ would 
> include 
> > date-added to all the packages. This way one could create automatic list 
> > of newly added packages and let's say distribute it in the newsletter 
>
> Which newsletter are you referring to here? 
>
> I had been thinking of getting a Racket Newsletter out of the ground but 
> haven't come around to it yet. Have you discussed previously something 
> in this direction? If so, I would like to help. 
>
> If not, maybe we can open a discussion around this theme. Do people find 
> it interesting/useful? One of the things that made me think about this 
> was that regularly I find little library gems in the Racket world that I 
> wouldn't find otherwise so maybe a newsletter that highlights one of 
> these one every two weeks or so would be great. Another thing it would 
> be useful for is to highlight recent Racket developments, new libraries, 
> libraries requiring a maintainer, etc. 
>
> -- 
> Paulo Matos 
>

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Re: [racket-users] Re: FYI Racket & DrRacket tagged projects on GitHub

2019-01-12 Thread 'Paulo Matos' via Racket Users 



On 11/01/2019 17:23, Greg Trzeciak wrote:
> What would be really neat if https://pkgs.racket-lang.org/ would include
> date-added to all the packages. This way one could create automatic list
> of newly added packages and let's say distribute it in the newsletter

Which newsletter are you referring to here?

I had been thinking of getting a Racket Newsletter out of the ground but
haven't come around to it yet. Have you discussed previously something
in this direction? If so, I would like to help.

If not, maybe we can open a discussion around this theme. Do people find
it interesting/useful? One of the things that made me think about this
was that regularly I find little library gems in the Racket world that I
wouldn't find otherwise so maybe a newsletter that highlights one of
these one every two weeks or so would be great. Another thing it would
be useful for is to highlight recent Racket developments, new libraries,
libraries requiring a maintainer, etc.

> 
> 
> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 3:18:40 PM UTC+1, spdegabrielle wrote:
> 
> FYI 
> 
> Racket & DrRacket tagged projects on GitHub can be found at 
> 
> https://github.com/topics/racket  
> 
> https://github.com/topics/drracket  
> 
> A great way to discover Racket activity that you wouldn’t otherwise see.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Stephen
> 
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