Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio turns off after sleep, can I set to standby after sleep timer?
Ok, I will try to be clearer, Bedtime- Player A (receiver-lounge) and Player B(Radio-kitchen) are both synced and I then have a sleep timer for when I go to bed, I set sleep timer on either device which puts them both to sleep after a set time. Player B (Radio-kitchen) goes in to almost its soft-off standby mode rather than its stopped, not playing mode and receiver just goes to standby. In the morning I have an alarm configured on Player A (reciever-lounge) which goes of fine however Player B(Radio-kitchen) does not wake up and join player A in playing my alarm. That make more sense? -- trouty00 trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76119 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
Marc;525163 Wrote: > I spent a great deal of time working toward the resolution of alarm > problems in 7.4.1, unfortunately a good portion of my implementation > suggestions were discarded. Marc, don't grumble, that's not true. I'd say that 95% of your suggestions made it in the final code - and the last 5% either didn't look important or you were not able to make your point why some scenarios would fail when these parts were done differently. Also some good things came from Ben like caching the snooze-time from the server or better/correct detection of failing audio. In the end Ben had a lot of testcases which he went through with the final implementation and I think its not fair to say 'If you had taken all of my code without questioning it wouldn't have happened' without providing prove of it or providing a failing testcase. We are all professional coders and should trust to make right decisions in the void that is left without testcases. Now the work is to find out what the missing cases are and as we have very good logging (and some user with problems) this shouldn't be too difficult. Though it's not good that the fallback alarm is maybe firing too often - its a good sign for reliablitiy (as it's better than a missing alarm). I didn't have any alarm problem yet though I'm waking up to it every morning - so I'm very interested to see some logs from the radio ! By the way - as logitechs focus has moved away from the alarm again I would spent my time only in documenting the failing cases but personally wouldn't look into the code again. Would be too depressing to wait for someone caring for that in the end (did that once for 4 month, not again ;) ) -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Mute the navigation beeps?
is the wave file for the boot-up/shut-down sound located in the radio file structure somewhere? If so - you could SSH to the radio and replace it with a sound of your choice -- stevedresden stevedresden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36189 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76142 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Mute the navigation beeps?
mpower9;525171 Wrote: > You can keep the navigation sound effects and get rid of the boot up new > age musical phrase. Go to Settings_Audio Settings_Sound Effects and > disable Charging. > > Don't ask me what Charging means, but it does work to stop the boot up > sound. I know because that's what I did to get rid of it. All *beeps* are annoying to me. :) Charging is when the battery is charging (confirming it is plugged in and charging). -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76142 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Is this too much to ask?
I'm a techhead myself I suppose, which is probably why I have such a powerful PC (in both computing and wattage terms) that I don't want left on all the time. Thanks for the suggestion about mp3locker, I'll look into that. -- GrahamD GrahamD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36316 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76094 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Disable jingle jangle?
I think I have set this to 'disabled', tho I'm not sure if this is the green or the black state. We will see. This morning JJ came on, I pressed back, then the BBCR4 button, and it came on. And then it stopped after 2 mins, later found to have been caused by the router going off. P === toby10;524657 Wrote: You can keep the navigation sound effects and get rid of the boot up new age musical phrase. Go to Settings_Audio Settings_Sound Effects and disable Charging. Don't ask me what Charging means, but it does work to stop the boot up sound. ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] No Radio for Australia
Or just look for services that buy products in the USA and ship them to you for a small fee. Now I know it works, time to get one. I have been waiting for news that it would be released in Oz. -- vdeknock vdeknock's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69400 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Ask yourself this: Would the battery life of (totally guessing here) 6-10 hours be sufficient for this application if it did _not_ power itself down completely? The big power drain here is the wifi and as long as the Radio is in standby, the wifi would run and stay in contact with the wireless network. Do you really want to charge it every 8 hours so that you can keep it ready to use instantly? Would it be better to wait to power up or find a Radio with a completely dead battery when you went to use it? I suppose it could be made configurable to shut down the wifi radio instead of powering off completely, but I've witnessed Squeezeboxes trying to re-establish wireless connections (log in to wireless router, find server, etc.) enough times to think that it wouldn't be much faster than going through the full power up sequence. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Thanks for the replies everyone. A couple of points: 1. I don't see why it can't just power down everything *but* the wireless and still last for several days on battery. I've got other wireless devices (with much smaller batteries) that in some cases last for weeks in this state. Fair enough, they may not be 'constantly' connected, but I'm not sure the Radio needs to be either. 2. Agree with jdoering that it's easy to interpret this as a bug as it's exhibiting behaviour it never has before, and there appear to be no related settings on the player or SBS. Having it power down fully does present a problem in other ways. For example, I most often control my various players using Applescript, which I use to power on the ones I want, set volume, play favourites, etc. This clearly won't work with the player powered down, and I'm not yet sure if it's going to cause the script to error as well. I can live with it disconnecting itself from the wireless (even at the expense of the scripting) to save on battery, but I'd rather it went into some sort of sleep with screen, sound, wireless, etc. off but able to wake instantly. The startup sequence takes long enough as to be annoying in the morning when I go to use it. Thoughts? -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio sound quality... 'lacking'
smdub;525038 Wrote: > Thanks. Sounds like I got a dud. All those little ipod plug in docks > sound better than the SB radio to give you an idea. Even the wife > commented on it. > > Its not the source quality. I don't ever really listen to the 'radio' > just the music on my hard drive. Same stuff I stream to my classics. Please post back after you've exchanged it for a new one. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76145 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Remote Control.. Or iPhone RC?
I Penq also... :-) -- Ozz 2 Channel listening Room: Transporter, Arcam C31 and Arcam P1 Mono Blocks feeding ATC SCM19s Cable and interconnects are both Kimber. HP media server with 4TB of storage connected to the whole house GB network. (in media closet) Media Room:Sony 70" SXRD, 4 NHT VT-2 Biamped (running all 4 subs) 4 NHT VS-2. Outlaw 990 6 Yamaha MX-2000 amps 4 NHT SA-2 amps (Sub amps) PS3 with 500GB onboard and 4TB external storage. Master BR: Sony 56" XBR4 and Yamaha YSP-4000 sound bar fed from media closet. Ozz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76164 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio turns off after sleep, can I set to standby after sleep timer?
As far as I know, alarms are never synchronized between players. If you want both of them to play you would have to set the alarm on both. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76119 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Remote Control.. Or iPhone RC?
I just sold my Squeezebox Remote and only use iPeng. I vote best app -ever-!! -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76164 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Download
I up dated squeezebox radio software. Unable to connect to network. Also, I cannot get the squeezebox radio server page on the net. the squeezebox server on the pc is running. -- alansells alansells's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36677 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76233 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Alarm stays the same whatever I set
I've got a strange problem with my alarm. Since I purchased it has been absolutely fineuntil it suddenly dropped off my network a few weeks ago and wouldn't reconnect whatever I did. So I had to turn the power off and back on again and now it connects fine. trouble is, I used to wake up to Radio 2 in the mornings which was great. Since the "dropping off the network" issue, even with the alarm set to radio 2, it gives me some kind of endless bassline pattern which gets old very fast. I have to get up and manually tune to radio 2. Now it does get me up earlier but it is bloody annoying. Does anyone have a clue about what might have gone wrong and what I should do to fix it? -- Cockeye Cockeye's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22798 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76235 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Remote Control.. Or iPhone RC?
iPeng FTW. All kinds of awesomeness. -- Cockeye Cockeye's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22798 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76164 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
twynne;524898 Wrote: > I bought it for use in a bathroom (which in the UK has no power > outlets). I plug it in elsewhere when it needs charging, but planned to > leave it in the bathroom unless charging. I was just surprised to find > that it behaves differently (ie. fully shutting down) when running on > battery. Given how long it takes to start up, I'm not sure I like the > new behaviour. I believe the behavior was designed to increase battery run time between charges through full shut down after 20 minutes or so of inactivity. Personally, I like the idea. Less recharging and how hard is it to press the power button on the way to take the first morning leak? By the time one is done, the SB Radio should be all booted and ready to play. Of course the other solution to your specific concern is to move it from bedroom (plugged in) to bathroom (unplugged) and back to bedroom (plugged in) so that full shut down never happens. As for no outlets in the Head, how did you guys use electric shavers back in the day when they required a cord? Did one have to shave in the bedroom in front of the dresser or in the hallway at the makeup mirror? Woman have to use butane curling irons or blow dry their hair someplace else besides the bathroom? Back in the day before GFIs, the outlet used to be built into the vanity lighting above the mirror. Cords were required to be only long enough to reach ones neck when standing up. It was hoped that this would prevent a device from reaching a bathroom water source while plugged in as the cord was not long enough while plugged in to even reach the counter much less the sink. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
As for the first point, I understand the reasoning - just wish there were a bit solution to a full shutdown. My iPod Touch is similar (with a MUCH smaller battery and a much larger screen) but only appears to connect to the network when the screen is activated. The battery lasts for weeks! As for the outlets, some UK bathrooms have a special outlet for shavers but these are very limited in the types of device you can plug in - for one by the type of plug and secondly by the max power drawn. If you plugged in a Radio I suspect you'd blow the plug. In my case, this plug is inside a cabinet so it wouldn't be practical anyway. Not sure the history, but they're very careful about power in bathrooms here! I'm sure it's a building reg that an outlet can't be within x of a water source or similar. -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
twynne;525296 Wrote: > As for the first point, I understand the reasoning - just wish there > were a bit solution to a full shutdown. My iPod Touch is similar (with > a MUCH smaller battery and a much larger screen) but only appears to > connect to the network when the screen is activated. The battery lasts > for weeks! > > As for the outlets, some UK bathrooms have a special outlet for shavers > but these are very limited in the types of device you can plug in - for > one by the type of plug and secondly by the max power drawn. If you > plugged in a Radio I suspect you'd blow the plug. In my case, this plug > is inside a cabinet so it wouldn't be practical anyway. > > Not sure the history, but they're very careful about power in bathrooms > here! I'm sure it's a building reg that an outlet can't be within x of > a water source or similar. In the UK, shaver sockets must be double wound transformer insulated and limited to ~20VA, with electronic overload cutout. (BS7671) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Phil Leigh;525304 Wrote: > In the UK, shaver sockets must be double wound transformer insulated and > limited to ~20VA, with electronic overload cutout. (BS7671) And there you have it. I knew someone would know! :-) -- twynne 2 x Booms, 2 x SB3, 1 x Duet, 1 x SB Radio twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Download
Do you have a firewall program on the pc the squeezeboxserver is installed? Are you able to see your pc from other computers on your network? -- Honva Honva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76233 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Use buttons for other purpose
Hi all, The SB Radio has a bunch of buttons on the sides of the display. I know you can use those to setup things like playlist and favorites but is there a way i can let it execute a certain script for instance on the server? I basicly want to do a webcall to a certain url, i've got led lights in the bedroom which i can also control via the web. somethings like http://xxx/leds.php?bedroom=off well you get the drift. Is this possible? Thanks in advance, Eric -- riemers riemers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76239 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Is this too much to ask?
You many want to consider connecting a low powered older computer to your network (wired or unwired), which I think most people have, and install SB server on it. You can leave that on all the time. I think the energy usage for those old PC's would be much less than your main powerful computer. This would allow you to have SB server access all the time. You could store your music on this old computer's hard drive accessible to all your SB players at any time. KenR -Original Message- From: GrahamD [mailto:grahamd.47v21b1268648...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:26 AM To: radio@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Is this too much to ask? I'm a techhead myself I suppose, which is probably why I have such a powerful PC (in both computing and wattage terms) that I don't want left on all the time. Thanks for the suggestion about mp3locker, I'll look into that. -- GrahamD GrahamD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36316 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76094 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Use buttons for other purpose
riemers;525321 Wrote: > > The SB Radio has a bunch of buttons on the sides of the display. I know > you can use those to setup things like playlist and favorites but is > there a way i can let it execute a certain script for instance on the > server? If you're running Squeezebox Server, my KidsPlay plugin will let you do just that. You need to use my test repository (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/slim7/repodata-test.xml) in order to get version 2.5.3 which includes the ability to 'run scripts on the server' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74071) as part of a macro. -Peter -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76239 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Remote Control.. Or iPhone RC?
Buy Ipeng. You won't be disappointed. Best app for the money. I'd be willing to pay $50 for it. (don't get greedy pippin) It's a better interface than the remote. Syncing and unsyncing, play list editing, so much easier than the duet controller. To be honest, if you don't already have a controller or an iphone/itouch, then buy an itouch and ipeng and you've spent less than the controller and got a more versatile package. -- j1simon j1simon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36984 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76164 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Track restarts
I get this as well. Very annoying. Never happens on my receiver though, both running wireless. running 7.4.2 playing mp3's always at least 70% signal. -- j1simon j1simon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36984 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75783 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
bluegaspode;525205 Wrote: > Marc, don't grumble, that's not true. > I'd say that 95% of your suggestions made it in the final code - and > the last 5% either didn't look important or you were not able to make > your point (when at least two people were listening) why some scenarios > would fail when these parts were done differently. Also some good things > came from Ben like caching the snooze-time from the server or > better/correct detection of failing audio. > > In the end Ben had a lot of testcases which he went through with the > final implementation and I think its not fair to say 'If you had taken > all of my code without questioning it wouldn't have happened' without > providing prove of it or providing a failing testcase. We are all > professional coders and should trust to make right decisions in the void > that is left without testcases. > > Now the work is to find out what the missing cases are and as we have > very good logging (and some user with problems) this shouldn't be too > difficult. Though it's not good that the fallback alarm is maybe firing > too often - its a good sign for reliablitiy (as it's better than a > missing alarm). > > I didn't have any alarm problem yet though I'm waking up to it every > morning - so I'm very interested to see some logs from the radio ! > > By the way - as logitechs focus has moved away from the alarm again I > would spent my time only in documenting the failing cases but personally > wouldn't look into the code again. Would be too depressing to wait for > someone caring for that in the end (did that once for 4 month, also see > thread starter, not again ;) ) I hear what you are saying, and you are right that Ben worked hard toward resolution of the alarm problems. Having said that, I disagree with some of what you stated above. Obviously, the alarm malfunctions I've witnessed in 7.4.2 are better than a missing alarm (no need for a specious argument)...I'll get the customary disclaimer out of the way [yet again] about how the underlying architecture is heavily flawed (the client/server aspect doesn't make sense in the context of how SC/MySB.com communicate with the Radio). The attempts I made to patch the existing architecture (it was clear a wholesale overhaul was not in the cards short term) for stability would indeed have resulted in a more stable alarm situation for 7.4.2. On that point we disagree. Enough has been changed such that I would need to largely begin anew in debugging/resolving. And for what...? Your good nature and useful input (along with that of others) served to greatly assist during the process. The environment here at the forums is compelling, as well (friendly, cooperative, etc.). However, there are indeed changes that were made to my modifications which were unwise. In the final analysis, alarms are still less stable than they should be... Marc -- Marc Marc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34776 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
erland;525175 Wrote: > Same thing has happened to me too a couple of times. > > > Your efforts in the past are greatly appreciated, I can understand your > frustration but I hope you change your mind. > > At the moment all Logitech resources are probably busy with the Touch > release but after they have finished that it might be time to look at > the alarm handing again. Thanks for the words of appreciation, Erland. They mean a great deal, particularly coming from you. I don't mind giving of my free time, but I'm not enthusiastic about giving such an effort when a good chunk of it appears to have discounted. -- Marc Marc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34776 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Is this too much to ask?
Justme;524791 Wrote: > > My work around was to use mp3tunes locker. > I've just installed it with a free account and uploaded a few albums, brilliant. This is better than my original request, I just didn't know about it. Since it's just for the radio in the bedroom, a select few albums will be sufficient and no need for a subscription just now. Thanks again, and also to everyone else for helpful comments. Actually, I do still have an old computer installed under the floorboards (old cottage, little space; told you I was a techhead) which might have sufficed, but the mp3tunes does the trick. -- GrahamD GrahamD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36316 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76094 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] French translations
There are some french translations missing in the menu of the Squeezebox radio, in this case the items remain in english. For example : Favorites instead of Favoris,... I don't know if Logitech is aware of that, and if they need a french translation... A+ -- sSNICKERSs sSNICKERSs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76258 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Use buttons for other purpose
so far so good, now i need to test it.. but she's a sleep, i would get into troubles ;p will test it out tomorrow or so if i get the chance and let you know, thanks this is what i needed. -- riemers riemers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76239 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Remote Control.. Or iPhone RC?
j1simon;525399 Wrote: > Buy Ipeng. You won't be disappointed. Best app for the money. I'd be > willing to pay $50 for it. (don't get greedy pippin) It's a better > interface than the remote. Syncing and unsyncing, play list editing, so > much easier than the duet controller. > To be honest, if you don't already have a controller or an > iphone/itouch, then buy an itouch and ipeng and you've spent less than > the controller and got a more versatile package. Yup. Even go get yourself an ipod touch for the Apple Store in the refurbished section. Get a small 8gb model if you wish from an older generation and save money. You can even surf the web or play a game while yer listening to music. -- nsfw nsfw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30447 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76164 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Is this too much to ask?
GrahamD;525422 Wrote: > I've just installed it with a free account and uploaded a few albums, > brilliant. This is better than my original request, I just didn't know > about it. Since it's just for the radio in the bedroom, a select few > albums will be sufficient and no need for a subscription just now. > Thanks again, and also to everyone else for helpful comments. Actually, > I do still have an old computer installed under the floorboards (old > cottage, little space; told you I was a techhead) which might have > sufficed, but the mp3tunes does the trick. I also don't put all albums up on my mp3tunes account. This way I have two libraries. I use mp3tunes as my main library which just contains our favourite albums, and if I feel like listening to something more obscure I would connect to the SBS on the PC. Which I found I hardly do these days. (My wife hates scrolling through the hundreds of artists in my full collection) I wish the SBS had the option for native libraries. It seems so logical really as more than one person often lives in a house and they may not want to scroll through someone else's record collection to find their own. Glad this solution works for you. I'd be interested to know if you also get the odd song that doesn't upload or if it really is just me. -- Justme Justme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76094 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
> The attempts I made to patch the existing architecture [...] would > indeed have resulted in a more stable alarm situation for 7.4.2. I think its not fair to claim your patch was the best of all and everything done later was to the worse. Your change was a BIG step towards a very good solution on the given architecture, but also with Bens additional changes to your patch we have a much more stable alarm situation in 7.4.2. Maybe even more stable than your patch ? Who knows ? Without logs for the current minor hickups noone is able to tell, who is to blame. Remaining parts from the 7.4.1 code-base? Your original patch ? Bens later changes ? Marc;525403 Wrote: > On that point we disagree. Enough has been changed such that I would > need to largely begin anew in debugging/resolving. And for what...? To make at least one logitech developer feel very comfortable with the current code :) It wouldn't make sense to take your changes as a 1:1 copy to make your debugging now easier ... its far more important that logitech feels comfortable with the code and is able to understand its current ideas on the long run. That being said - lets at least spend time in creating the appropiate logs for the current 'backup alarm even though the stream seems to be available' problem. Noone asks for or expects further debugging. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Is this too much to ask?
Justme;525446 Wrote: > I wish the SBS had the option for native libraries. It seems so logical > really as more than one person often lives in a house and they may not > want to scroll through someone else's record collection to find their > own. I recently looked into erlands 'Custom Browse' and 'Multi Library' plugin and now I have a nice 'kids' menu with all those albums noone else would listen too :) Same could be done for 'wife' of course ... -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76094 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
bluegaspode;525448 Wrote: > I think its not fair to claim your patch was the best of all and > everything done later was to the worse. > Your change was a BIG step towards a very good solution on the given > architecture, but also with Bens additional changes to your patch we > have a much more stable alarm situation in 7.4.2. Maybe even more stable > than your patch ? Who knows ? > You are welcome to your opinion, of course. If anyone has the desire, time, and compunction to look back at the extensive conversation thread that took place in the developers forum then it's there for the perusing. Honestly, your comments are a pointed illustration as to why it makes little sense to keep working toward stability. Your 95% estimate of my changes that were incorporated is a poor one. My architecture was indeed used, but far more than 5% of the changes that I made were discarded. The devil is in the details, and the details were not respected properly when important pieces were discarded. This is particularly true in the context of how the client/server architecture used is/was unintuitive and more, rather than less, pedantic code is/was clearly a necessity to track and defend against unexpected behaviors. You are wrong, by the way, about the changes made to my modifications having increased stability. They did not, as evidenced by the problems that remain in 7.4.2. I warned specifically against sacrificing some of the state tracking I had added, yet my warnings went unheeded. It's true that you weren't convinced after much debate, though, so perhaps you still believe the right course was pursued. I admit that it's a bit offensive, though, when you say glibly that perhaps the changes I recommended retaining weren't up to the standards of the now disseminated 7.4.2 code - which is clearly still unstable. It would make sense for you to defend the now released 7.4.2 code, despite its continued instability, I suppose, since perhaps you feel the need to take some measure of responsibility for not being convinced of a number of the since discarded stability measures I lobbied for. bluegaspode;525448 Wrote: > > Without logs for the current minor hickups noone is able to tell, who > is to blame. Remaining parts from the 7.4.1 code-base? Your original > patch ? Bens later changes ? > I attempted to get the log after the malfunction occurred (while I should have been headed off to work). Unfortunately, it had been quickly overwritten and was lost. I've also suggested that logging be enhanced to prevent this type of situation in the past, if you recall. bluegaspode;525448 Wrote: > > To make at least one logitech developer feel very comfortable with the > current code :) > It wouldn't make sense to take your changes as a 1:1 copy to make your > debugging now easier ... its far more important that logitech feels > comfortable with the code and is able to understand its current ideas on > the long run. > No one suggested a 1:1 copy of my work. The code I'm alluding to that was unwisely discarded consisted of specific state information that was tracked to enhance both stability and post-mortem analysis. Nor did I ever state or imply that 'everything after [my changes] was to the worse'. I'm afraid you're putting words in my mouth that I don't appreciate here... Ok, so now Logitech is ostensibly more comfortable based upon your commentary (not an unreasonable point). Are they now working on these new issues, whether making logging more useful to facilitate log feedback from customers by preventing log overwrites or by continuing to test alarms in 7.4.2? Has that development comfort translated into alarm robustness? I'm not going to get further into a personal defense of my work, nor of my history and expertise in embedded product development. Suffice it to say that I am not (and was not) guessing when it came to working toward alarm stability. Logitech as an organization has a lot to learn about both embedded development and client/server architecture... It's too bad, really, because I truly believe the Radio could be huge. bluegaspode;525448 Wrote: > > That being said - lets at least spend time in creating the appropiate > logs for the current 'backup alarm even though the stream seems to be > available' problem. Noone asks for or expects further debugging. If the logs were there then that would be possible... -- Marc Marc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34776 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
I will attempt to set up the logging on the radio and collect them but it will be this weekend at the earliest. I don't have a lot of time to spend fixing Logitech screwups. :) -- jmpage2 jmpage2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Radio - Full Power down when on battery?
Phil Leigh;525304 Wrote: > In the UK, shaver sockets must be double wound transformer insulated and > limited to ~20VA That's plenty of current for Radio. You have to play Radio quite loud to even approach half that level. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76177 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Mute the navigation beeps?
toby10;525214 Wrote: > All *beeps* are annoying to me. :) > > Charging is when the battery is charging (confirming it is plugged in > and charging). Ah, that is interesting. My battery has not arrived yet (grump, grumble). Why does turning off the charging sound get rid of the boot-up sound? -- mpower9 mpower9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76142 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] batteries out of stock ...
rcr248;524787 Wrote: > On 3/13/2010 8:29 AM, vw195 wrote: > > I received a survey form as well and let them have it. > > > > > > > I did as well ditto -- mpower9 mpower9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75859 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Squeezebox 7.4.2 - what the HELL Logitech?
This recent discussion in this thread about the software development process is enlightening. I feel very comfortable staying back at 7.3.3 with my Transporter, Booms and Duet indefinitely given the approach I see. I believe that installing a later monolithic version will cause more problems for me than its worth and I don't see a reasonable path forward at this time. And as for taking on Apple, I think that ship left the port a long time ago. -- DotSystem DotSystem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15213 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75541 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
