Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
av8r71;578610 Wrote: > I am guessing that the buffer is a "feature" of sort. It helps to smooth out network flows do that there are no gaps especially when playing live radio. The size of the buffer is under your control - see the Mysb.com Player / Network/ Radio station buffer size. If the buffer is not full then to fill the buffer will depend on the station bit rate and whether it is a live station or not. If a user is playing a podcast or a "Listen Again" program this buffer will be filled within secs but for a slow live station, the network activity will continue for a few minutes. Also consider once buffer is full there will be network activity keeping the link alive as some data will be unacknowledged. So most of the last few minutes of activity will just be small TCP packets. "Power off" with Squeezboxes is not like an FM radio - it just changes the screensaver. The current network behaviour probably stems from the fact that players mainly played local media and network traffic was no an issue as well as in N. America mostly there were no volume charges for data. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
I think what you are suggesting is that pause is working as expected, however when taping the power button the connection should be terminated. My prior response was to give an explanation for what you were observing. Continuing to buffer when pausing but immediately terminating the connection when powering down seems sensible to me. I was surprised to discover it didn't work that way. You do have to maintain the connection to mySB (or SBS) for control, but that is modest compared to the streaming traffic. -- Ron Stordahl Ron Stordahl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
I am guessing that the buffer is a "feature" of sort. I was under the impression that turning the device off stopped all streaming. Guess not. Last night, I performed the same test I did a few nights ago. This time I hit the pause button before hitting the power button. This time internet traffic continued for over 8 minutes after power OFF. Same station, roughly same time. Weird! It's not a matter of paying for bandwidth or constantly monitoring LEDs ...its about being vigilant on usage of your wireless network. Not a huge issue but I do see it as a waste of bandwidth after all. Thanks all for the comments. -- av8r71 av8r71's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
I am running dd-wrt firmware in a wrt54gl which has a page displaying graphically the wireless traffic. From this it is clear that the SBRadio continues buffering the station you were listening to after tapping the power button to turn off. The same occurs when you pause the radio. The buffer is apparently quite large as this goes on for a long time. When you resume the audio picks up exactly where you paused or 'powered down'. Eventually however the buffer apparently fills and the tcp connection is closed. The buffer is then dumped...as it should be. The approach the designers have taken seems sensible to me. -- Ron Stordahl Ron Stordahl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
av8r71;578112 Wrote: > Hello, I recently noticed that once I turn off my SB Radio, there seems > to be about 4 minutes of internet traffic that continues to go through > the router & cable modem. I use my SB to listen to online radio > stations (NPR, etc.) only, I do not stream music from any other local > source (no squeezebox server). It seem that when I listen to online > radio then turn off the SB by hitting the power button, I notice that > the router & modem continues streaming data. I can tell it is wireless > as the router's wireless LED continues to flash along the modem LED. > There are no other wireless devices connected to my router. Any one > else experienced this? Is this normal? Thanks. I just don't see the issue here...what's the big deal if you get a few mins of internet traffic...do you pay by the kilobyte? I wish I had the time to go down to my router and modem and analyze the traffic going through it when I turn things on and off. -- zmcmahan zmcmahan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39833 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
An idea (for yet another workaround) press the big knob or + to bring up the context menu and "remove from playlist" What happens now ? Does it still buffer the stream , it might still use bandwith for it's comm with mysb.com ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
Where's the problem? It wastes bandwidth, both at my end and at the radio station. But more importantly, if I turn off the Radio, go downstairs and turn my Roku SoundBridge on to the same station, I don't want to be pulling two streams at the same time from di.fm. The station detects that and shuts you down. On and Off used to be such simple concepts... Then there's Pause and Mute. If both make the audio stop but both keep streaming data which goes into the bit bucket, what's the difference? (BTW I did remap Mute to Stop, thanks to a forum member's helpful suggestion using a "beta" feature.) When I un-pause my Roku, it takes a moment to re-connect to the station because Pause truly stopped the stream. I have absolutely no problem waiting a second for that. -- TJ_ Squeezebox Radio, hardware 5, firmware r9009 - eccentric UI, erratic firmware. (Replaces Roku Soundbridge Radio, RIP - excellent UI, egregious hardware.) Roku Soundbridge M1001 - needs periodic reboot, otherwise excellent. Linksys WRT54G with DD-WRT and OpenDNS. PC n/a - turned off at night when I use Squeezebox Radio. Therefore, I'm using mysqueezebox.com. Pray for me. I'm not here to annoy you. When the Radio starts working predictably, I'll go away happy. TJ_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39229 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
bluegaspode;578121 Wrote: > The Radio needs to keep a constant connection to its server (in your > case MySqueezebox.com). > > This is because you could surf to the MySB.com site, change the alarm > or use the player/menu there to start a stream. > If it wouldn't keep this connection you couldn't remote control it via > MySB.com. thanks -- phamchict phamchict's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40465 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
av8r71;578112 Wrote: > Hello, I recently noticed that once I turn off my SB Radio, there seems > to be about 4 minutes of internet traffic that continues to go through > the router & cable modem. I use my SB to listen to online radio > stations (NPR, etc.) only, I do not stream music from any other local > source (no squeezebox server). It seem that when I listen to online > radio then turn off the SB by hitting the power button, I notice that > the router & modem continues streaming data. I can tell it is wireless > as the router's wireless LED continues to flash along the modem LED. > There are no other wireless devices connected to my router. Any one > else experienced this? Is this normal? Thanks.oh!very good. thanks -- phamchict phamchict's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40465 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
TJ_;578157 Wrote: > No, it's not just a housekeeping connection. It's full-on streaming of > audio content (those router lights are in full blink mode) for a few > extra minutes after hitting the theoretical "Power" button. But where is the problem? It do stop after a few minutes. Advantage, you can quickly resume in case that you did accidently hit the power button. > The workaround (and the Radio is all about workarounds)... Eventually you should try to work with the Radio. ;-) > (Some day I will get around to asking why there are two Pause buttons - > one called Mute but appearing to function identically to Pause - but no > Stop button. But there are bigger mysteries about the Radio...) Mute is to mute volume, Pause do pause a stream. What is the difference between a stopped and a paused digital audio stream? On your local library is no difference and remote streams like radio will stop after a while. -- jo-wie 2 * Classic, 1 * Boom, SC 7.5.2 auf GigaByte STA/C mit VIA C7 1GHz, 1GB RAM, 250 GB 2,5" HD, Ubuntu Desktop 8.04 LTS, CD -> FLAC = dbpoweramp, Mix MusicIP, Router AVM Fritz 3270 last.fm/user/jo-wie jo-wie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
No, it's not just a housekeeping connection. It's full-on streaming of audio content (those router lights are in full blink mode) for a few extra minutes after hitting the theoretical "Power" button. The workaround (and the Radio is all about workarounds) is to Stop the stream before tapping Power. You can do this by holding down Pause for a second or two. (Some day I will get around to asking why there are two Pause buttons - one called Mute but appearing to function identically to Pause - but no Stop button. But there are bigger mysteries about the Radio...) -- TJ_ Squeezebox Radio, hardware 5, firmware r9009 - eccentric UI, erratic firmware. (Replaces Roku Soundbridge Radio, RIP - excellent UI, egregious hardware.) Roku Soundbridge M1001 - needs periodic reboot, otherwise excellent. Linksys WRT54G with DD-WRT and OpenDNS. PC n/a - turned off at night when I use Squeezebox Radio. Therefore, I'm using mysqueezebox.com. Pray for me. I'm not here to annoy you. When the Radio starts working predictably, I'll go away happy. TJ_'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39229 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
The Radio needs to keep a constant connection to its server (in your case MySqueezebox.com). This is because you could surf to the MySB.com site, change the alarm or use the player/menu there to start a stream. If it wouldn't keep this connection you couldn't remote control it via MySB.com. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com) *! Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
[SlimDevices: Radio] Internet Traffic After SB OFF
Hello, I recently noticed that once I turn off my SB Radio, there seems to be about 4 minutes of internet traffic that continues to go through the router & cable modem. I use my SB to listen to online radio stations (NPR, etc.) only, I do not stream music from any other local source (no squeezebox server). It seem that when I listen to online radio then turn off the SB by hitting the power button, I notice that the router & modem continues streaming data. I can tell it is wireless as the router's wireless LED continues to flash along the modem LED. There are no other wireless devices connected to my router. Any one else experienced this? Is this normal? Thanks. -- av8r71 av8r71's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82144 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
