Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-11 Thread Aslak3

bluegaspode;516153 Wrote: 
> What don't you like about my Weather-Screensafer for the Radio/Touch ?
> To much colour ;) ?
> 
> Don't you see your plugin under extras or is the whole extras menu
> missing ?
> If its the latter - the extras-menu needs to be activated on the radio
> (Settings->Home Menu)

Yup too much colour!

I think I've figured it out. It's because my plugin doesn't use
Slim::Control::Jive::registerPluginMenu. Actually it's not even got a
menu, it just use $client->lines to update the screen.  Probably that's
not going to work on SqueezePlay.  A pitty.  I guess I'll just have to
learn Lua to write a screensaver. :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-11 Thread erland

Aslak3;516069 Wrote: 
> But one thing that occurs to me: I've written a simple plugin that can
> display the time, and weather etc.  Why does it not show up in the
> Extras menu on the Radio like it does on my Boom?
> 
The interface for creating menus are different on
Classic/Boom/Transporter compared to Controller/Radio/Touch.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-11 Thread bluegaspode

Aslak3;516069 Wrote: 
> I've written a simple plugin that can display the time, and weather etc.
> Why does it not show up in the Extras menu on the Radio like it does on
> my Boom?
What don't you like about my Weather Applet ? To much colour ;) ?

Don't you see your plugin under extras or is the whole extras menu
missing ?
If its the latter - the extras-menu needs to be activated on the radio
(Settings->Home Menu)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-11 Thread Aslak3

erland;516007 Wrote: 
> I think of it as this:
> - If it's a screen saver -> applet
> - If it's something that needs a user interface that uses different
> graphical design than the standard menus -> applet
> - If it's something that needs to work without a computer with
> Squeezebox Server -> applet
> - In pretty much all other cases -> plugin
> 
> Most of my Squeezebox Server plugins provides a user interface on the
> new players with a LCD screen without any custom applets involved.

The one thing I'd love to be able to do is to create simple (text)
plugin-based screensavers on the Raido.  But yes, now I think about it,
any plugin that just uses menus should work.  But one thing that occurs
to me: I've written a simple plugin that can display the time, and
weather etc.  Why does it not show up in the Extras menu on the Radio
like it does on my Boom?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-10 Thread erland

erland;516007 Wrote: 
> I think of it as this:
> - If it's a screen saver -> applet
> - If it's something that needs a user interface that uses different
> graphical design than the standard menus -> applet
> - If it's something that needs to work without a computer with
> Squeezebox Server -> applet
> - In pretty much all other cases -> plugin
> 
> Most of my Squeezebox Server plugins provides a user interface on the
> new players with a LCD screen without any custom applets involved.

My previous post contained some errors, so anyone reading the old post
through mailing lists are probably going to get confused.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-10 Thread erland

Aslak3;515946 Wrote: 
> 
> I do think it's a shame that you can't add SOME functionality with just
> plugins, like you can with the slim players. :(
> 
I think of it as this:
- If it's a screen saver -> applet
- If it's something that needs a user interface that uses different
graphical design than the standard menus -> applet
- If it's something that needs to work without a computer with
Squeezebox Server -> applet
- In pretty much all other cases -> plugin

Most of my Squeezebox Server plugins provides a user interface on the
new players with a LCD screen without any custom applets involved.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-10 Thread Michael Herger
> I do think it's a shame that you can't add SOME functionality with just
> plugins, like you can with the slim players. :(

You definitely can do this. Take eg. my AlbumReview/Biography plugins: they 
show up in SP's search and context menus, others show up in Extras. They're 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-10 Thread Aslak3

Just to complicate things, an applet might also depend on a plugin
installed on the server.  AFAIK.

I do think it's a shame that you can't add SOME functionality with just
plugins, like you can with the slim players. :(


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-10 Thread bluegaspode

Raptor;515777 Wrote: 
> To write an app for the Radio/Touch i'll need to use *lua*, and for a
> plugin I'll need *perl*?

Yes


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-10 Thread Raptor

To write an app for the Radio/Touch i'll need to use *lua*, and for a
plugin I'll need *perl*?

Simon.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-09 Thread vw195

I still say that a good app would be a radar.  User specifies a URL
containing a jpg, and once a specified period  the applet goes and
downloads the jpg.  One could also animate it flipping through older
jpgs.

Then the user could flip through it, the weather app, and custom clock
through the switcher applet.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread bluegaspode

fumanchu314159265;515147 Wrote: 
> Thanks for the clarification!  Who has the rights to update the Wiki
> page?  Assuming this is supposed to be current documentation, that
> little tidbit would be very helpful to include.
> 
> BTW, I was thrown off by this statement on that page: 'NOTE: Some of
> the diagrams below use "Jive" which was the the old name for the
> SqueezePlay application.'  That implied to me that "Jive" was old
> terminology for "SqueezePlay", but I see that I was not thinking
> straight on that.

If you register you can edit every page yourself in the wiki :)
And now that you say it - squeezeplay is indeed the 'correct' and
better name (directories in SVN are also called this way).

'Jive' is also a synonym for just the Controller:
- its (Controllers) firmware is called 'jive.bin'
- System.getMachine() also returns 'jive' for the controller (but
'squeezeplay' for the desktop version of Squeezeplay - and baby/fab4 for
Radio/Touch. :)

On the other hand there is an 'AboutJive' applet within SqueezePlay
which is the diagnostics screen on all devices :)

So you see - its not really consistent - taken all information together
I'd say:
when the controller started, the name 'jive' was introduced just as its
firmware/name. Everything else back then was a Squeezebox (Classic,
Boom, Receiver). This also explains the image in the wiki.

Later it was renamed to squeezeplay to be more generic - but now it
isn't really consistent.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread erland

fumanchu314159265;515237 Wrote: 
> Thanks for the pointer -- the lxp library would work just fine.  But I
> can't find it anywhere in the squeezeplay 7.4 download that I have and
> doing
> local lxp = require("lxp")
> throws an error that says it can't be found.
> 
> Is it supposed to be available standard or is there a way to include it
> with my applet?
> 
I wonder if it only exists in 7.5, my Radio (which is running 7.4)
doesn't have a /usr/lib/lua/5.1/lxp.so but my Touch (which is running
7.5) have it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread fumanchu314159265

erland;515228 Wrote: 
> You might want to take a look at Triode's BBCRadio applet, it parses XML
> using the lxp library.
> http://triodeapplets.googlecode.com/files/BBCRadio-v0.2.zip

Thanks for the pointer -- the lxp library would work just fine.  But I
can't find it anywhere in the squeezeplay 7.4 download that I have and
doing
local lxp = require("lxp")
throws an error that says it can't be found.

Is it supposed to be available standard or is there a way to include it
with my applet?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread erland

fumanchu314159265;515151 Wrote: 
> Yes, I looked in your (very nice!) applet to see how you parsed the XML.
> Unfortunately, I think I'd like slightly more ability since I want to
> extract a few different elements from within a (repeating) containing
> element. 
> 
You might want to take a look at Triode's BBCRadio applet, it parses
XML using the lxp library.
http://triodeapplets.googlecode.com/files/BBCRadio-v0.2.zip


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread fumanchu314159265

bluegaspode;515144 Wrote: 
> I did write my own (very VERY simple) XML-Parser in LUA (see
> weather-applet)
> indifference_engine also uses XML-files in his 'SqueezeIR'-Applet - you
> might have a look there how he does XML-Parsing (maybe he found a more
> elegant way than me).

Yes, I looked in your (very nice!) applet to see how you parsed the
XML.  Unfortunately, I think I'd like slightly more ability since I want
to extract a few different elements from within a (repeating) containing
element.  For example (I'm assuredly not remembering the right tag names
here):

...
...
...


...

--etc--

If I assumed all the elements came in the right order and were all
present, I could probably get away with your quick-dirty-and-effective
technique.  I can't quite recall if yours handles multiple line
character strings or not, which is also important in places.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread fumanchu314159265

bluegaspode;515143 Wrote: 
> Every device with a color display is Jive.
> I.E. Controller, Radio, Touch (and 99% of all future devices :) ).

Thanks for the clarification!  Who has the rights to update the Wiki
page?  Assuming this is supposed to be current documentation, that
little tidbit would be very helpful to include.

BTW, I was thrown off by this statement on that page: 'NOTE: Some of
the diagrams below use "Jive" which was the the old name for the
SqueezePlay application.'  That implied to me that "Jive" was old
terminology for "SqueezePlay", but I see that I was not thinking
straight on that.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread bluegaspode

fumanchu314159265;515084 Wrote: 
> Just for fun, I've started writing an RSS headline display applet.  I
> thought from this page on Squeeze OS Architecture
> (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeOSArchitecture) that the
> Luaexpat XML parser library was available for use by applets on
> Squeezeplay/SB Radio, but it doesn't seem to be (at least on Squeezeplay
> 7.4). 
I did write my own (very VERY simple) XML-Parser in LUA (see
weather-applet)
indifference_engine also uses XML-files in his 'SqueezeIR'-Applet - you
might have a look there how he does XML-Parsing (maybe he found a more
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-08 Thread bluegaspode

fumanchu314159265;515084 Wrote: 
> For example, is my SB Radio a "Jive" or a "Squeezebox" on the chart?
Every device with a color display is Jive.
I.E. Controller, Radio, Touch (and 99% of all future devices :) ).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-07 Thread bpa

On my 7.5 Radio there is a ImageViewer menu under Setting and it seems
to display photos from a user defined location but it needs a simple
HTTP server to server the photos to the Radio.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-07 Thread erland

wewen;514814 Wrote: 
> Why aren't there a proper imageviewer in Radio. That views local
> pictures from a speciefied folder. That is one of the strange things
> that I thought of with the radio. 
> 
Because no one has made one yet...
There is the Flickr app for remote images and I'm guessing that remote
images that makes more sense on the Radio, it really doesn't have that
much storage space locally.

Something that could make sense is a image viewer that views images
which are on the computer where Squeezebox Server executes.

wewen;514814 Wrote: 
> 
> Btw Erland (du e svensk va :)?
> 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-07 Thread wewen

Why aren't there a proper imageviewer in Radio. That views local
pictures from a speciefied folder. That is one of the strange things
that I thought of with the radio. Btw Erland (du e svensk va :)?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-05 Thread linvale

Erland, Thanks for your response. I have been travelling for a few days
so couldn't test out the "cover" options, which I hadn't understood when
looking at the options. This is just what I had hoped for - very nicely
done, as usual. Now I have a very readable clock, album art in the
background and album information scrolling at the same time. Perfect!!!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-02-01 Thread bluegaspode

erland;512445 Wrote: 
> 
> - Bounce applet (screen saver with animation):
> http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/7.5/trunk/squeezeplay/src/squeezeplay_contrib/share/applets/Bounce/
> 
> Note that how the Bounce-Applet draws the animation is broken in 7.5
> (and I'm not sure yet if it will be fixed although its just a
> one-liner).
> 
> Workarounds in the bugreport:
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15454


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-01-31 Thread erland

Aslak3;511990 Wrote: 
> 
> Erland, where did you learn how to write applets?  I can find almost no
> info on writing plugins on the wiki.  I have a Lua book which I'm slowly
> going through, and have done experiments to see how things work, but
> complicated things seem impossible to follow.
> 
The following wiki page is a great start:.
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezePlay_Applet_Developing_Guide

Besides this there are a few of the existing applets which you should
have a look at:
- Bounce applet (screen saver with animation):
http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/7.5/trunk/squeezeplay/src/squeezeplay_contrib/share/applets/Bounce/
- Demo applet (different menus and controls):
http://svn.slimdevices.com/jive/7.5/trunk/squeezeplay/src/squeezeplay/share/applets/Demo/

For people that don't want to do any development but are good at
artwork, design your own clock style with Custom Clock applet and Custom
Clock Helper plugin, see more information here:
- http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Custom_Clock_applet
- http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68269


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-01-31 Thread erland

linvale;511747 Wrote: 
> On the radio at the moment the time setting is too small when under
> album art. Your clock designs are great - but I would love to have them
> applied over the album art for whatever is playing. Is that possible? it
> would be very attractive, that way I could see what was playing in the
> morning and know how long I had before being late for work

Have you tried the Custom Clock style "Digital Clock (dark shaded
cover)" or "Digital Clock (shaded cover)" ?

Or did you want this in some other style than the Digital Clock style ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-01-31 Thread mrMuppet

i'm still looking for a plugin that starts the flickr fotoshow matching
the current played artist. Like the flickr function in the context-menu.
But i would like to start it automatically.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-01-30 Thread Aslak3

Applet ideas:

Take Custom Clock and combine it with a weather display so the
screensaver saver usually shows the time but if you turn the knob it
shows a weather forecast.  You could even have it shows clock, current
weather, tomorrow, day after etc based on the posibtion of the knob,
returning to the clock after 30 seconds (say).  I'm not sure if it is
possible to do "interactive" screensavers.  (I nearly have this written
for SBS/Boom but cant get my plugin to respond to knob turns when its
running as a screensaver, but that's another story...)

Agree about the "Now Playing" display.  It would be great if you could
customise this by setting font sizes.

Erland, where did you learn how to write applets?  I can find almost no
info on writing plugins on the wiki.  I have a Lua book which I'm slowly
going through, and have done experiments to see how things work, but
complicated things seem impossible to follow.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-01-30 Thread fumanchu314159265

Hi Erland,
That's a very kind offer!  I just got my wife a Radio and we're really
enjoying playing with it.  The overlap between all of the default
applets' capabilities makes it so I'm not completely sure what features
are missing versus what I just haven't figured out how to do yet!

I'm not a graphical designer (though I know some...) but have done lots
of programming in my previous career, so I was attracted to the
Squeezebox line because of the possibility of doing some fiddling with
it.

A few immediate ideas that I've had (perhaps already done by
someone?):

1. A screensaver that shows news headlines (or I guess any RSS feed)
would be nice.

2. An applet/webservice combination for keeping a "listen to it later"
list of things found while browsing the web (e.g. particular radio
programs, podcasts, etc.) that one can then browse from the Radio,
listen to, and delete from the list.

3. A "meta screensaver" that lets you cycle through various other
information pages while listening to music -- e.g. the news headlines
one in #1, a weather screensaver (I saw there is one out there that I've
tried out on Squeezeplay -- it looks nice), Facebook, Flickr, etc.

I'm sure better/other ideas will come along in due course!

Any thoughts (from you or others)?

thanks,
Rob


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Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Want to make an applet or screen saver ?

2010-01-29 Thread linvale

Erland, I have no graphical talent - but do have older eyes. On the
radio at the moment the time setting is too small when under album art.
Your clock designs are great - but I would love to have them applied
over the album art for whatever is playing. Is that possible? it would
be very attractive, that way I could see what was playing in the morning
and know how long I had before being late for work


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