[RBW] Re: May SoCal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society Ride

[Esteban]

Great ride, David - thanks again for showing us around the epic riding
in Redlands.  And thanks for those who came - what a fun day!  Here
are the photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157618212284601/

Lets see...we've had folks come out from Minneapolis, New Mexico, and
Walnut Creek for So Cal Riv & Friends rides.  I hope others around the
country (and world) get some organized rides together - you'll find
that you might share more in common with other list members than
bikes!

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On May 16, 7:51 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> Just training for the XO-1/Rough-Riders ride
>
> Thanks for making it out here; yes, there is life east of the 110!
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Seth  wrote:
>
> > Hi Guys,
> > Thanks for a great ride.  We definitely covered a lot of dirt, more
> > than I'm used to.  David, thanks for scouting the route.  It was lots
> > of fun.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Seth
> > Los Angeles, CA
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[charlie]

Any bike that inspires you to get on and ride is a good bike in my
mind! I know if I am not comfortable on a particular bike I won't ride
it. I think Grant in particular and Rivendell in general have the fit
thing dialed in with a good track record of success.  I think for a
heavier rider the "Bomb" would be ideal. I roll at 255 these days and
I'm riding a Surly LHT but always wished for a Rivendell. I'll
probably end up with one someday.

On May 15, 10:11 am, Delano <2951...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've posted this on a bike forum, and someone directed me here.  I
> didn't know this group existed, and I am very much happy that I've
> found it.
>
> I need some help from owners of the Bombadil.  I am considering
> purchasing one, but I haven't been able to find people's reactions to
> the bike.  How do they like the bike? Would they purchase one again?
> What are the downsides (other than weight)?
>
> I am 289 lbs, once athletic but broke my back once and have not
> exercised in about a decade.  At 41, it's crunch time to get back in
> shape.  I pondered the Bombadil because of its construction, but have
> absolutely no interest in mountain biking.  Like most people, I like
> speed and a good energy expenditure-return ratio.  That is, I don't
> want to work very hard :)
>
> When I mentioned in a forum about the construction of the bike being
> my reason for looking at the Bombadil, someone mentioned that the
> Atlantis was rated to 300 lbs.  I think I remember that correctly, but
> I can't find it on rivbike.com.  One of the sales people in an email
> suggested the Atlantis might wobble a bit considering the weight, and
> steered me toward the Bombadil again.
>
> What are your thoughts?  I've been through the "a bike is just a bike"
> and "Rivendells are special" and "there are cheaper options"
> conversations with people, and I can't make an informed decision
> without anyone's feedback on the Bombadil itself.  I live too far to
> test ride one, and its a big (expensive) leap of faith with any bike
> as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Any help?
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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee Drinkers (also Klean Kanteen)

[Esteban]

OK.  Here it is.  How to carry hot coffee on a bike, keep it hot, and
not burn your hands:

Sigg double-walled stainless steel hot/cool bottle.  Looks like a
regular smaller SIGG bottle, but will keep the coffee relatively hot
and fit perfectly in your bottle cage.  I ride to work like that
everyday.

On May 16, 6:05 pm, Lynne Fitz  wrote:
> If I'm just riding around, my Starbucks mug works well.  If I'm out
> for a RIDE, well, I have a metal thermal jug with a waterbottle
> spout.  Keeps my hot beverage of choice hot for HOURS.
>
> (Closeup, no Riv content - but the Riv has the exact same 
> setup)http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1081/530808302_dfad4fc518.jpg
>
> On May 16, 12:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
>
> > Ha, no doubt. Nevermind the mining, extrusion, oil and shipping it took to
> > get that bottle to your house.
>
> > Joking aside, I do use mine almost daily.
>
> > -gino in Chico (home of Kleen Kanteen)
>
> > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> > >  I really felt, after reading the product literature
> > > that came in the bottle, that I should also be awarded a Nobel award
> > > for being so environmentally conscious!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: May SoCal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society Ride

[David Estes]

Just training for the XO-1/Rough-Riders ride

Thanks for making it out here; yes, there is life east of the 110!

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Seth  wrote:

>
> Hi Guys,
> Thanks for a great ride.  We definitely covered a lot of dirt, more
> than I'm used to.  David, thanks for scouting the route.  It was lots
> of fun.
>
> Cheers,
> Seth
> Los Angeles, CA
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: May SoCal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society Ride

[Seth]

Hi Guys,
Thanks for a great ride.  We definitely covered a lot of dirt, more
than I'm used to.  David, thanks for scouting the route.  It was lots
of fun.

Cheers,
Seth
Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[Dave Craig]

Delano

I saw your post on the bike forums and now here. I didn't have time to
respond previously, so I'll weigh in now.

I own both a 60cm Bombadil and a 64cm Atlantis. I am 6'2" @ 220 and a
fairly aggressive, higher mileage rider. I've done long, loaded tours
on the Atlantis and I'd guess that my weight total (body and gear) was
around 270. The Atlantis was fine, though I really felt that it was a
little too flexy on dirt roads with the load. However, that's with a
touring load and I'd guess most of the flex I didn't like was coming
from the gear on the racks. It was fine on the road. You are within
the weight range for the Atlantis and I'm sure it would work for you
in any wheel size given good wheels and wider tires.

I bought the Bombadil because I wanted a stiffer frame for loaded
desert touring on rough roads and off road. I've got a short torso and
long legs. Most mountain bikes just don't fit me all that well and
require a long steer tube with ton of spacers to get the bars up to
seat height. Because the 60 Bomba fits like the 64 Atlantis and the
Atlantis fits me really well, the Bombadil seemed like a great choice
for me. Actually, if the Bombadil had existed when I bought the
Atlantis, I probably would have bought it instead. I really like the
Bombadil, the frame is not noticibly heavier, it handles great and it
is certainly more stiff. I can stand on the pedals and jam even with a
full touring load. I have not felt impaired by the bike's weight at
all. I like RBW, I prioritize bicycling in my life and I thought the
bike was interesting and unique, so I bought the Bombadil. I'm not a
racer, but I love to ride long and hard and I have not been
disappointed in my purchase. The Bombadil is a great bike. There are
no downsides other than the price.

I've discussed the Bombadil because that's what you originally asked
for and no one else seemed forthcoming with the answers to your
questions from the perspective of actually owning the bike. If having
a beautiful lugged bike like the Bombadil will inspire you to get out
and riding so that you can make changes in your health, great!
However, other folks here and on the other forum have given you some
good advice about other options - most of which cost a lot less.

Good luck,

Dave



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[RBW] Re: May SoCal Rivendell Bicycle Appreciation Society Ride

[David Estes]

We lived to tell the tale!  Temps got kind of warm, and the road got kind of
long, but lots of dirt and fun!  Showed some socal folks the best the IE has
to offer, and that's always kind of cool!

Thanks for everyone who made it out, and hope you come out and ride with use
in June (27th & 28th S24O @ Crystal Cove).

Pics on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157618204831557/


On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:46 PM, David Estes  wrote:

> Notice that it's warming up a bit, probably up to 92F.  That's by 1-2:00
> though, so should be in the 80's for most of the ride.  Still, bring two H20
> bottles and hydrate on the way over.
>
> Bring food, too.  There's a supermarket on the way, but there would be a
> detour to get to it.
>
> If anyone is running late, we can have a mid-route link up at Crafton
> Hills 
> College.
> That's about 45 min into the ride.
>
> For the locals that can't make the ride, we would love to meet up post-ride
> at Gourmet Pizza Co, maybe threeish???
>
> Again, Jack Browns are fine, 35mm Paselas are what I'll be riding.  RTs are
> great too, but you'll be feeling it in your arms by the end of the ride.
> Soo worth it though!!! :-)
>
> See y'all at 9:00!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM, David Estes wrote:
>
>> I just started a discussion on the flickr 
>> page.(and
>>  here:
>> *http://tinyurl.com/dxbmey)*
>>
>> 35 miles out of Redlands, maybe about 1/2 on dirt.  Plenty of elevation,
>> but only one portion is steep (trust me, you've seen how I climb...).
>>
>> Love to get some folks out and enjoying the great out doors!
>>
>> Discussion here or on flickr is fine.  Big decision is finding the date
>> which impacts the fewest...
>>
>> FYI, we're also thinking a June S24O to Crystal Cove and an early July
>> ride in San Diego.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>> Redlands, CA
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>



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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[David Estes]

FWIW, I don't think the Bomba turned out quite all that heavy.

As long as the wheelsize or double top tube aesthetic doesn't scare you off,
it should be a GREAT bike!

There are cheaper options, but none of them will be as beautiful or special
(custom builders excluded).  It'll probably run you $1000 more than
mass-produced brands, but if it part of a life-style change, then that's
money well spent.

Call Rivendell and ask for Grant.  I think his passion for cycling and
wanting everyone to be a part of it will win you over (Trust him on the
sizing methodology).

Cheers,
David



On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Bill M.  wrote:

>
> I don't own a Bomba, but for many years I owned one of it's ancestors,
> an early Riv Mountain/Expedition.  That bike was, like the Bomba,
> built hell-for-stout, but I enjoyed riding it as a wide-tired touring
> bike that took occasional excursions onto fire roads.  It never felt
> exactly fast (though I even rode it in bike club pacelines a couple of
> times), but it had lovely, gentle road manners when ridden at a more
> moderate pace.  I'd expect the Bomba to be similar in that respect.
>
> You don't mention your height or bike size.  The smaller Bombadils are
> built for 650b wheels.  There's nothing wrong with that, I currently
> own two 650b bikes myself, but there are only so many choices of tire
> and rim in that size.  Before making the leap, make sure that the
> current selection of tires contains at least a couple that would meet
> your current and future needs, and that rims are available with the
> spoke count you need.  If you're tall enough to fit a 700c Bomba or
> Atlantis, then there are LOTS of choices, from the skinniest racing
> tires to gnarly fat knobbies to various widths of sturdy touring
> tires, and any number of rims from which to choose.  Smaller
> Atlantises (Atlanti?) use 26" wheels, which again offer myriad choices
> of rims and tires.  I think the choice of rim and tire should be a
> major factor in your final decision - choose the wheels you need, and
> pick the frame that fits them..
>
> Depending on where you ride, how hard you are on equipment and what
> you anticipate your weight may be this time next year, maybe a Sam
> Hillborne might also be an option?  I've test ridden Sams in two
> sizes, and they are a pleasant ride.  Half the price of a Bombadil or
> Atlantis, which is nice.  The difference could go towards some extra
> strong wheels, say Phil hubs and 36 spoke rims (maybe 40 in back?).
> The Bomba or Atlantis will take fatter tires and should handle bad
> roads, dirt roads or touring loads better, but Sam should be a little
> more responsive as a road bike.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Bill
>
> On May 15, 10:11 am, Delano <2951...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've posted this on a bike forum, and someone directed me here.  I
> > didn't know this group existed, and I am very much happy that I've
> > found it.
> >
> > I need some help from owners of the Bombadil.  I am considering
> > purchasing one, but I haven't been able to find people's reactions to
> > the bike.  How do they like the bike? Would they purchase one again?
> > What are the downsides (other than weight)?
> >
> > I am 289 lbs, once athletic but broke my back once and have not
> > exercised in about a decade.  At 41, it's crunch time to get back in
> > shape.  I pondered the Bombadil because of its construction, but have
> > absolutely no interest in mountain biking.  Like most people, I like
> > speed and a good energy expenditure-return ratio.  That is, I don't
> > want to work very hard :)
> >
> > When I mentioned in a forum about the construction of the bike being
> > my reason for looking at the Bombadil, someone mentioned that the
> > Atlantis was rated to 300 lbs.  I think I remember that correctly, but
> > I can't find it on rivbike.com.  One of the sales people in an email
> > suggested the Atlantis might wobble a bit considering the weight, and
> > steered me toward the Bombadil again.
> >
> > What are your thoughts?  I've been through the "a bike is just a bike"
> > and "Rivendells are special" and "there are cheaper options"
> > conversations with people, and I can't make an informed decision
> > without anyone's feedback on the Bombadil itself.  I live too far to
> > test ride one, and its a big (expensive) leap of faith with any bike
> > as far as I'm concerned.
> >
> > Any help?
> >
>


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David
Redlands, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee Drinkers (also Klean Kanteen)

[Lynne Fitz]

If I'm just riding around, my Starbucks mug works well.  If I'm out
for a RIDE, well, I have a metal thermal jug with a waterbottle
spout.  Keeps my hot beverage of choice hot for HOURS.

(Closeup, no Riv content - but the Riv has the exact same setup)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1081/530808302_dfad4fc518.jpg



On May 16, 12:07 pm, Gino Zahnd  wrote:
> Ha, no doubt. Nevermind the mining, extrusion, oil and shipping it took to
> get that bottle to your house.
>
> Joking aside, I do use mine almost daily.
>
> -gino in Chico (home of Kleen Kanteen)
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jim Cloud  wrote:
> >  I really felt, after reading the product literature
> > that came in the bottle, that I should also be awarded a Nobel award
> > for being so environmentally conscious!- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[Bill M.]

I don't own a Bomba, but for many years I owned one of it's ancestors,
an early Riv Mountain/Expedition.  That bike was, like the Bomba,
built hell-for-stout, but I enjoyed riding it as a wide-tired touring
bike that took occasional excursions onto fire roads.  It never felt
exactly fast (though I even rode it in bike club pacelines a couple of
times), but it had lovely, gentle road manners when ridden at a more
moderate pace.  I'd expect the Bomba to be similar in that respect.

You don't mention your height or bike size.  The smaller Bombadils are
built for 650b wheels.  There's nothing wrong with that, I currently
own two 650b bikes myself, but there are only so many choices of tire
and rim in that size.  Before making the leap, make sure that the
current selection of tires contains at least a couple that would meet
your current and future needs, and that rims are available with the
spoke count you need.  If you're tall enough to fit a 700c Bomba or
Atlantis, then there are LOTS of choices, from the skinniest racing
tires to gnarly fat knobbies to various widths of sturdy touring
tires, and any number of rims from which to choose.  Smaller
Atlantises (Atlanti?) use 26" wheels, which again offer myriad choices
of rims and tires.  I think the choice of rim and tire should be a
major factor in your final decision - choose the wheels you need, and
pick the frame that fits them..

Depending on where you ride, how hard you are on equipment and what
you anticipate your weight may be this time next year, maybe a Sam
Hillborne might also be an option?  I've test ridden Sams in two
sizes, and they are a pleasant ride.  Half the price of a Bombadil or
Atlantis, which is nice.  The difference could go towards some extra
strong wheels, say Phil hubs and 36 spoke rims (maybe 40 in back?).
The Bomba or Atlantis will take fatter tires and should handle bad
roads, dirt roads or touring loads better, but Sam should be a little
more responsive as a road bike.

Good luck!

Bill

On May 15, 10:11 am, Delano <2951...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've posted this on a bike forum, and someone directed me here.  I
> didn't know this group existed, and I am very much happy that I've
> found it.
>
> I need some help from owners of the Bombadil.  I am considering
> purchasing one, but I haven't been able to find people's reactions to
> the bike.  How do they like the bike? Would they purchase one again?
> What are the downsides (other than weight)?
>
> I am 289 lbs, once athletic but broke my back once and have not
> exercised in about a decade.  At 41, it's crunch time to get back in
> shape.  I pondered the Bombadil because of its construction, but have
> absolutely no interest in mountain biking.  Like most people, I like
> speed and a good energy expenditure-return ratio.  That is, I don't
> want to work very hard :)
>
> When I mentioned in a forum about the construction of the bike being
> my reason for looking at the Bombadil, someone mentioned that the
> Atlantis was rated to 300 lbs.  I think I remember that correctly, but
> I can't find it on rivbike.com.  One of the sales people in an email
> suggested the Atlantis might wobble a bit considering the weight, and
> steered me toward the Bombadil again.
>
> What are your thoughts?  I've been through the "a bike is just a bike"
> and "Rivendells are special" and "there are cheaper options"
> conversations with people, and I can't make an informed decision
> without anyone's feedback on the Bombadil itself.  I live too far to
> test ride one, and its a big (expensive) leap of faith with any bike
> as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Any help?
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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee Drinkers (also Klean Kanteen)

[Gino Zahnd]

Ha, no doubt. Nevermind the mining, extrusion, oil and shipping it took to
get that bottle to your house.

Joking aside, I do use mine almost daily.

-gino in Chico (home of Kleen Kanteen)

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jim Cloud  wrote:

>  I really felt, after reading the product literature
> that came in the bottle, that I should also be awarded a Nobel award
> for being so environmentally conscious!
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[Garth]

The Bombadil would be fine , as would the Surly or the Salsa.  You can
even get a custom frame and fork from low profile builders for in
between the cost of a Bombadil and Surly. They have a full arsenal of
tubes and knowhow for all riders. Rivendell stock frames  as all
production frames. are made to appeal to the largest audience
possible. This may or may not work for you.

Steel is incredibly strong and resilient .  Many years ago I weighed
as much as 245 and I rode a Reynolds 531C racing frame. That's not
"supposed" to be.I was way over the recommended rider weight.
but I rode it, and it worked fine. Back then, I didn't have a good
wheelbuilder I knew, and had lots of problems. Mostly, I used too
narrow of rims and tires.

More than the frame .. you need some well built wheels and larger
tires. We all know of good ones . Peter White, Joe Young and Rich
at Riv. I've only used Joe, and I think he makes a lot of wheels for
larger riders. They just "stand" meaning they hold true, never
breaking spokes or needing truing. A great builder takes pride in such
masterpieces. I'm sure any of them can get you a great set.


Anyways, enjoy the process of creating a bike we only get to do it
so many times in our life.

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[Seth Vidal]

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Delano <2951...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've posted this on a bike forum, and someone directed me here.  I
> didn't know this group existed, and I am very much happy that I've
> found it.
>
> I need some help from owners of the Bombadil.  I am considering
> purchasing one, but I haven't been able to find people's reactions to
> the bike.  How do they like the bike? Would they purchase one again?
> What are the downsides (other than weight)?
>
> I am 289 lbs, once athletic but broke my back once and have not
> exercised in about a decade.  At 41, it's crunch time to get back in
> shape.  I pondered the Bombadil because of its construction, but have
> absolutely no interest in mountain biking.  Like most people, I like
> speed and a good energy expenditure-return ratio.  That is, I don't
> want to work very hard :)
>
> When I mentioned in a forum about the construction of the bike being
> my reason for looking at the Bombadil, someone mentioned that the
> Atlantis was rated to 300 lbs.  I think I remember that correctly, but
> I can't find it on rivbike.com.  One of the sales people in an email
> suggested the Atlantis might wobble a bit considering the weight, and
> steered me toward the Bombadil again.
>
> What are your thoughts?  I've been through the "a bike is just a bike"
> and "Rivendells are special" and "there are cheaper options"
> conversations with people, and I can't make an informed decision
> without anyone's feedback on the Bombadil itself.  I live too far to
> test ride one, and its a big (expensive) leap of faith with any bike
> as far as I'm concerned.


Where do you live? There are dealers in various places who may have
something in stock you can try out. Alternatively, there may be a riv
owner somewhere nearby who would let you try one out.

Not all are equal but there are a lot of atlantises out there, I think.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Owners Question

[Mike]

I have two Rivs, a Rambouillet and an AHH, and love them both.
Rivendells are great bikes and a Bombadil or an Atlantis would serve
your needs. Either would be sturdy enough for you. Give the folks at
Rivendell a call. They're very helpful, no pressure (well, maybe low)
and easy to talk with. If you decide that a Rivendell is more than you
want to spend, consider a Surly Long Haul Trucker or Salsa Fargo.

Good luck.

--mike


On May 15, 10:11 am, Delano <2951...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've posted this on a bike forum, and someone directed me here.  I
> didn't know this group existed, and I am very much happy that I've
> found it.
>
> I need some help from owners of the Bombadil.  I am considering
> purchasing one, but I haven't been able to find people's reactions to
> the bike.  How do they like the bike? Would they purchase one again?
> What are the downsides (other than weight)?
>
> I am 289 lbs, once athletic but broke my back once and have not
> exercised in about a decade.  At 41, it's crunch time to get back in
> shape.  I pondered the Bombadil because of its construction, but have
> absolutely no interest in mountain biking.  Like most people, I like
> speed and a good energy expenditure-return ratio.  That is, I don't
> want to work very hard :)
>
> When I mentioned in a forum about the construction of the bike being
> my reason for looking at the Bombadil, someone mentioned that the
> Atlantis was rated to 300 lbs.  I think I remember that correctly, but
> I can't find it on rivbike.com.  One of the sales people in an email
> suggested the Atlantis might wobble a bit considering the weight, and
> steered me toward the Bombadil again.
>
> What are your thoughts?  I've been through the "a bike is just a bike"
> and "Rivendells are special" and "there are cheaper options"
> conversations with people, and I can't make an informed decision
> without anyone's feedback on the Bombadil itself.  I live too far to
> test ride one, and its a big (expensive) leap of faith with any bike
> as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Any help?
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[RBW] Bicycle Coffee Drinkers (also Klean Kanteen)

[Jim Cloud]

Seeing the recent message pertaining to the "Association of
Caffeinated Wheelmen" reminded me that I'd seen something related to
bicycle coffee imbibers some time back.  A quick Google search
produced the site that I'd found previously, here's a link (I have no
association to the site or anyone responsible):

http://www.bicyclecoffeesystems.com/

Somehow, for me at least, the idea of having coffee along for a ride
always sounded somewhat more attractive than carrying a flask in one
of the Ahearn Flask Holsters with a ready supply of a single malt
Scotch wiskey (the flask holsters do look really cool though!).

By the way, far from being a "first adopter" I just got around to
buying a Klean Kanteen for my Riv.  It's one of the 18 oz. sizes,
which perfectly fits a T.A. water bottle holder (doesn't rattle at
all), A quick application of a metal polish removed the nasty Klean
Kanteen logo.  I really felt, after reading the product literature
that came in the bottle, that I should also be awarded a Nobel award
for being so environmentally conscious!

Jim


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[RBW] Bombadil Owners Question

[Delano]

I've posted this on a bike forum, and someone directed me here.  I
didn't know this group existed, and I am very much happy that I've
found it.

I need some help from owners of the Bombadil.  I am considering
purchasing one, but I haven't been able to find people's reactions to
the bike.  How do they like the bike? Would they purchase one again?
What are the downsides (other than weight)?

I am 289 lbs, once athletic but broke my back once and have not
exercised in about a decade.  At 41, it's crunch time to get back in
shape.  I pondered the Bombadil because of its construction, but have
absolutely no interest in mountain biking.  Like most people, I like
speed and a good energy expenditure-return ratio.  That is, I don't
want to work very hard :)

When I mentioned in a forum about the construction of the bike being
my reason for looking at the Bombadil, someone mentioned that the
Atlantis was rated to 300 lbs.  I think I remember that correctly, but
I can't find it on rivbike.com.  One of the sales people in an email
suggested the Atlantis might wobble a bit considering the weight, and
steered me toward the Bombadil again.

What are your thoughts?  I've been through the "a bike is just a bike"
and "Rivendells are special" and "there are cheaper options"
conversations with people, and I can't make an informed decision
without anyone's feedback on the Bombadil itself.  I live too far to
test ride one, and its a big (expensive) leap of faith with any bike
as far as I'm concerned.

Any help?

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[RBW] Ruffy Tuffy tire /Grand Bois 30 700 tires

[Christopher Paul]

My personal experience with the GB in the 700 (30mm) is that they are
not nearly as luxurious in feeling as compared to the 650 B, 32mm
version and that there is a noticeable decrease in speed/performance
from the Ruffy Tuffies.  I have a set of each that have around 300
miles each.  Any reasonable offers?
Cheers,
Chris

On 5/14/09, palin...@his.com  wrote:
>
> Quoting JimD :
>
>>
>> In regards to Grand Bois 700c's My Mileage Has Varied (MMHV).
>>>
>> I've given GB's several tries but don't find the ride with them
>> significantly better than
>> what I get with the Jack Brown Greens. I've found the GB's to be a
>> bit fragile and
>> get ~1000 miles (or less) on the rear using them.The JB's have been
>> far more durable and give me
>> more like 2500 miles on the the rear
>>
>
>
> I replaced one Grand Bois 700x30 back tire at around 1800-1900 miles,
> when I got two flats in less than 40 miles and felt how thin the
> center tread area had gotten.  At that mileage, the front still looked
> unworn.
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

[Bill Gibson]

The truly caffeinated are quick on the draw...
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:17 AM, David Estes  wrote:

> It's all about marketing... :-)
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:01 AM, jinxed  wrote:
>
>>
>> OK - I have BLOWN through all that I had. However, first thing Monday
>> morning I will be on the phone to order another full batch.
>>
>> They will take about 2-3 weeks to get to me.
>>
>> Please keep this in mind if you send funds from this point on.
>>
>> I am no deadbeat and I will take care of anyone who wants one...I just
>> need to restock.
>>
>> I cant believe the awesome responses and stories I have received in
>> less than 12 hours!!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
>
> >
>


-- 
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Tempe, Arizona, USA

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[RBW] Re: Now: 30mm tire availability was: Ruffy Tuffy tire problems

[Garth]

On May 16, 1:19 am, "Bill M."  wrote:

>
> I like my 35 mm (measured 34 mm) Randonneur Pros.  Nice rolling,
> sturdy, and reflective sidewalls.  Not exactly light, but the Pro's
> have less tread and folding beads so they're lighter (and presumably
> speedier) than the Cross version.  Vittoria's seem to run just under
> stated size, so the 32s should come in around 31 actual.
>
> Bill


What are the Pro's ... 430g?  Man... that's featherweight compared
to the Panaracer Crosstown's I'm using. Try 700g for a 35/34
(actual) !  It's irrelevant for my needs however.

 Vittoria Randonneur's don't get much press, especially the larger
ones. Everything thinks of them for racing tires. They are not a new
name like Scwalbe.  It's a study in how the collective mind attracts
and repels things. Right now, Schwalbe it having it's time. The
Randonneur tires just work and they don't cost near as much. I wish
they made all of them in the 48mm size.
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[RBW] Re: Now: 30mm tire availability was: Ruffy Tuffy tire problems

[David Estes]

... would it kill them to actually have them be you know, 35mm?

Ruffy Tuffies are the only tires I know that run true to size (not that I
have that wide of a knowledge in these things).

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:20 AM, David Estes  wrote:

> Right, I have some old 35's that around 31mm, and my new 35s are now 37mm.
>
> DE
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Angus  wrote:
>
>>
>> From what I have seen the Panaracer Pasela tire sizes today are A LOT
>> closer to stated size than they used to be.  A new Pasela 700x32
>> measures 30mm on a 20mm rim.  A very old Pasela 700x32 measured 25.5mm
>> on the same rim!
>>
>> Angus
>>
>> On May 15, 9:11 am, David Estes  wrote:
>> > Everyone, thanks for the feedback.  32mm Paselas that measure 30mm sound
>> > great.  Strange as my 35mm Paselas measure out at 37mm
>>  Consistency???
>> > We don't need no stinkin' consistency!
>> >
>> > FWIW, this is on an Open Pro rim.
>> >
>> > Gracias for the input!
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Garth  wrote:
>> >
>> > > David,
>> >
>> > >   What rim are you using?  We need to know because every tire is
>> > > slightly different width depending on the rim. A 28mm tire is not just
>> > > 28mm. I wish manufacturers would say when they give a tires width
>> > > it's xx mm's wide on a xx mm wide rim.
>> >
>> > >  That said, after 3 or 4 pairs of tires separating..
>> > > David ...it's time for a new tire!  They don't appear to be ruff
>> > > or tuff, so. unless you're a glutton for disappointment, stop
>> > > putting up with them!  You gave them more than a fair shot time
>> > > for a change.
>> >
>> > >  I know what you're asking for is tough. what you'd like is a
>> > > bunch of tires at your disposal to mount and see how wide and much
>> > > volume they have. yes?
>> >
>> > > My first thought is  Vittoria Randonneur's. Try the Cross. They
>> > > come in a 28,32 and 35. You can get them at REI.
>> > >http://www.rei.com/product/709112
>> > > They are a little heavier but as always one must look into why
>> > > they are heavier. More rubber and double shielding . If they fall
>> > > apart, REI will take care of it. They also sell a Panaracer Crosstown
>> > > in a 32mm, which may work as they run a little narrow. It's heavy too,
>> > > but it's because of all that tread and super puncture resistance!  I
>> > > use these in a 35(34 actual on a 24mm rim) and they are great on paved
>> > > and back roads. Loads of Air volume.
>> >
>> > > Or just stick with a Pasela 32.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> > David
>> > Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>> >>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>



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[RBW] Re: Now: 30mm tire availability was: Ruffy Tuffy tire problems

[David Estes]

Right, I have some old 35's that around 31mm, and my new 35s are now 37mm.

DE

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Angus  wrote:

>
> From what I have seen the Panaracer Pasela tire sizes today are A LOT
> closer to stated size than they used to be.  A new Pasela 700x32
> measures 30mm on a 20mm rim.  A very old Pasela 700x32 measured 25.5mm
> on the same rim!
>
> Angus
>
> On May 15, 9:11 am, David Estes  wrote:
> > Everyone, thanks for the feedback.  32mm Paselas that measure 30mm sound
> > great.  Strange as my 35mm Paselas measure out at 37mm
>  Consistency???
> > We don't need no stinkin' consistency!
> >
> > FWIW, this is on an Open Pro rim.
> >
> > Gracias for the input!
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Garth  wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> >
> > >   What rim are you using?  We need to know because every tire is
> > > slightly different width depending on the rim. A 28mm tire is not just
> > > 28mm. I wish manufacturers would say when they give a tires width
> > > it's xx mm's wide on a xx mm wide rim.
> >
> > >  That said, after 3 or 4 pairs of tires separating..
> > > David ...it's time for a new tire!  They don't appear to be ruff
> > > or tuff, so. unless you're a glutton for disappointment, stop
> > > putting up with them!  You gave them more than a fair shot time
> > > for a change.
> >
> > >  I know what you're asking for is tough. what you'd like is a
> > > bunch of tires at your disposal to mount and see how wide and much
> > > volume they have. yes?
> >
> > > My first thought is  Vittoria Randonneur's. Try the Cross. They
> > > come in a 28,32 and 35. You can get them at REI.
> > >http://www.rei.com/product/709112
> > > They are a little heavier but as always one must look into why
> > > they are heavier. More rubber and double shielding . If they fall
> > > apart, REI will take care of it. They also sell a Panaracer Crosstown
> > > in a 32mm, which may work as they run a little narrow. It's heavy too,
> > > but it's because of all that tread and super puncture resistance!  I
> > > use these in a 35(34 actual on a 24mm rim) and they are great on paved
> > > and back roads. Loads of Air volume.
> >
> > > Or just stick with a Pasela 32.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

[David Estes]

It's all about marketing... :-)

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:01 AM, jinxed  wrote:

>
> OK - I have BLOWN through all that I had. However, first thing Monday
> morning I will be on the phone to order another full batch.
>
> They will take about 2-3 weeks to get to me.
>
> Please keep this in mind if you send funds from this point on.
>
> I am no deadbeat and I will take care of anyone who wants one...I just
> need to restock.
>
> I cant believe the awesome responses and stories I have received in
> less than 12 hours!!
>
> Brad
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Speaking of merit badges...Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen

[jinxed]

OK - I have BLOWN through all that I had. However, first thing Monday
morning I will be on the phone to order another full batch.

They will take about 2-3 weeks to get to me.

Please keep this in mind if you send funds from this point on.

I am no deadbeat and I will take care of anyone who wants one...I just
need to restock.

I cant believe the awesome responses and stories I have received in
less than 12 hours!!

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[RBW] Re: Now: 30mm tire availability was: Ruffy Tuffy tire problems

[Angus]

>From what I have seen the Panaracer Pasela tire sizes today are A LOT
closer to stated size than they used to be.  A new Pasela 700x32
measures 30mm on a 20mm rim.  A very old Pasela 700x32 measured 25.5mm
on the same rim!

Angus

On May 15, 9:11 am, David Estes  wrote:
> Everyone, thanks for the feedback.  32mm Paselas that measure 30mm sound
> great.  Strange as my 35mm Paselas measure out at 37mm  Consistency???
> We don't need no stinkin' consistency!
>
> FWIW, this is on an Open Pro rim.
>
> Gracias for the input!
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> > David,
>
> >   What rim are you using?  We need to know because every tire is
> > slightly different width depending on the rim. A 28mm tire is not just
> > 28mm. I wish manufacturers would say when they give a tires width
> > it's xx mm's wide on a xx mm wide rim.
>
> >  That said, after 3 or 4 pairs of tires separating..
> > David ...it's time for a new tire!  They don't appear to be ruff
> > or tuff, so. unless you're a glutton for disappointment, stop
> > putting up with them!  You gave them more than a fair shot time
> > for a change.
>
> >  I know what you're asking for is tough. what you'd like is a
> > bunch of tires at your disposal to mount and see how wide and much
> > volume they have. yes?
>
> > My first thought is  Vittoria Randonneur's. Try the Cross. They
> > come in a 28,32 and 35. You can get them at REI.
> >http://www.rei.com/product/709112
> > They are a little heavier but as always one must look into why
> > they are heavier. More rubber and double shielding . If they fall
> > apart, REI will take care of it. They also sell a Panaracer Crosstown
> > in a 32mm, which may work as they run a little narrow. It's heavy too,
> > but it's because of all that tread and super puncture resistance!  I
> > use these in a 35(34 actual on a 24mm rim) and they are great on paved
> > and back roads. Loads of Air volume.
>
> > Or just stick with a Pasela 32.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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