[RBW] Re: Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[René Sterental]

Funny... I, on the other hand, am not so crazy about that gray but like the
maroon. I've actually been toying with the idea of a Hunqapillar repaint at
some point, but do love the bright Atlantic American paint. It's brighter
than the Japanese painted ones.

It's wonderful that you'll be celebrating your Atlantis' 10th birthday!

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Kelly Sleeper]

Well then Patrick maybe you should try the ugly bike fitness forum.  I'm sorry 
last I looked I was in a Rivendell owners forums where Riv's need not be 
defended.   Really you think anyone else on here can give you a review of how a 
Roadeo will fit you?  Do you really think a 20lb bike is too heavy for you 28mm 
tires? 

Consider your baiting a success.. and thanks for the laugh.. :)

Happy New Year

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Eric Norris]

Sturmey Archer hubs come in 120mm spacing, perfect for the Quickbeam. I have an 
S3X three-speed fixed hub on mine, and I've run an 8-speed SA hub as well. It's 
an easy conversion (once you get the wheel built) that doesn't involve changing 
the spacing of the dropouts.

--Eric Norris

On Jan 3, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Allan in Portland wrote:

> IIRC, the rear spacing is 120mm. I suppose one could spring it to 126 to fit 
> an old 5 or 6 speed, but I'm not sure that still qualifies as "easily".
> 
> Regards,
> -Allan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[William]

He should just buy my Trek (or my RB1) so I can get a Roadeo.  :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[Anne Paulson]

Great idea. I hate the pea sage green, and love the Hunq paint job.
Maybe my green Atlantis will turn into a gray Atlantis too, at some
point.

>
> FWIW:  I love the gray / maroon color scheme on the Hung & have
> thought about having my Atlantis painted similarly when it's 10th
> b'day comes up next year.
>
> dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[James Warren]

10th b'day Atlantis repaint! Sounds like a flickr group:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/6248633722/in/set-72157627778448779



On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:23 PM, dougP wrote:

> 
> FWIW:  I love the gray / maroon color scheme on the Hung & have
> thought about having my Atlantis painted similarly when it's 10th
> b'day comes up next year.
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Jan 3, 3:05 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
>> The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold
>> one and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train
>> pulled into the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy,
>> and I tried to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds
>> me of the Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the
>> train pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye...
>> or something like that.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>> 
>> It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the
>> process of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon
>> Dureme tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front
>> Pass & Stow rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack
>> should be arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.
>> 
>> I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just
>> added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux
>> light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
>> 
>> Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on
>> the Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although
>> I'm getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When
>> it gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you
>> love them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
>> 
>> Happy 2012!!!
>> 
>> René
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[jandrews_nyc]

my boss has a 58 Quickbeam.  I have a 58 Simpleone.  I've ridden both
and feel that I can sort of compare them.  I've also worked on his and
built mine up so I've seen a lot up close.
I think Charlie is right in that the Simpleone has very slightly
thicker tubingbut that doesn't really translate to a "tangible
difference" when riding for me.  I'm 150lbs.   I THINK my Simpleone
has a slightly more raked fork than the Quickbeam, but I'm not sure.
The Simpleone has fancier lugs than his Orange Quickbeam.  They both
seem to have the same geometry to the naked eye.  What is tangible for
me are the front fork rack eyelets and the four top-rack eyelets in
the back which not all Quickbeams have.  Also tangible for me means
having a kickstand plate which the QB doesn't.  Also, someone at Riv
will have to confirm, but it seems from looking at the bikes that tire
clearance is just a bit more on the Simpleone, but I haven't
measured.  I have been so happy I purchased the Simpleone.  It's set
up as a speedy drop-bar single speed and I love it that way, though
I'm sure I'll turn it into something else at some point, i.e. trail
bike, grocery bike, upright, gearedsince it's so versatile.

For $800 it's a no-brainer.

http://tinyurl.com/7et8mau

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[RBW] Re: Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[dougP]

Rene:

Nice photo, the bike looks great.  Tough choice to make in the AM:
"Hunq or Atlantis?"  It's nice to have to make those kinds of choices!

FWIW:  I love the gray / maroon color scheme on the Hung & have
thought about having my Atlantis painted similarly when it's 10th
b'day comes up next year.

dougP

On Jan 3, 3:05 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold
> one and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train
> pulled into the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy,
> and I tried to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds
> me of the Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the
> train pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye...
> or something like that.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>
> It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the
> process of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon
> Dureme tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front
> Pass & Stow rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack
> should be arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.
>
> I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just
> added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux
> light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
>
> Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on
> the Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although
> I'm getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When
> it gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you
> love them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
>
> Happy 2012!!!
>
> René

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[Allan in Portland]

IIRC, the rear spacing is 120mm. I suppose one could spring it to 126 to 
fit an old 5 or 6 speed, but I'm not sure that still qualifies as "easily".

Regards,
-Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[James Warren]

Well, this decides it for you then: RB1.


On Jan 3, 2012, at 6:59 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I interested 
> (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or cosmetic 
> details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.

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Re: [RBW] Roadeo or RB1?

[robert zeidler]

This reminds me of that clasdic scene from Animal House. CF on one
shoulder, Steel on the other...

On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling,
fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a
Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like
some of those mentioned.
> I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was
disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as
well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73
Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs
and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a
wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's
intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been
praised for their handling and fit.
> So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned
reasonable choice.
> I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I
interested (for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or
cosmetic details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>>
>> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are
equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
>>
>> Kelly
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Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[Anne Paulson]

Oh no, the bike is getting ready to throw itself under the train.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
> The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold
> one and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train pulled
> into the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy, and I
> tried to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds me of
> the Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the train
> pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye... or
> something like that.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[charlie]

I think the tubing is a tad thicker which for me is good. (.9x.6x.9 as
opposed to .8x.5x.8) I love mine, it rides really nice and the paint
is understated and woodsy lookingperfect for a bicycle. Only $800
for the frame is a swingin deal.  This frame can easily be used with a
hub geared wheel or even a deraileur set up with some compromises if
you wanted to do that.

On Jan 3, 6:34 pm, nathan spindel  wrote:
> Aside from the paint and country of origin, are there any tangible 
> differences (geometry, fork, tubing, etc) between the Quickbeam and 
> SimpleOne? I've ridden a QB and liked it, but have never tested a SimpleOne 
> so I don't know how they compare. That sale is tempting.
>
> -nathan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

OK: That's what I want to hear. Please give reasons -- details: handling,
fit, comfort etc. -- as to why one might want to pay $4K minimum for a
Roadeo compared to half or less for a nice, high end but old road bike like
some of those mentioned.

I love my customs' handling; the handling of the Sam Hill was
disappointing; the Herse fit like my customs but didn't handle quite as
well (tho' that may be due to my preference for higher trail); the '73
Motobecane was lighter, uglier and handled almost as well as the customs
and fit not quite as well. The Falcon would probably have been a
wonderfully fitting and handling bike if I had known (thanks to Grant's
intervention) how to set it up. The Calfees and Treks and RB1s have been
praised for their handling and fit.

So please give details about why the Roadeo is the unquestioned reasonable
choice.

I am not interested in fenders or tires larger than 28, nor am I interested
(for the purposes of this discussion) in fineness of joinery or cosmetic
details. Just fit (or potential for fit) and, above all, handling.

Thanks.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are
> equal or even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course..
>
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[RBW] Re: New Year morning ride

[Norman]

Hey Bobby,
Montclair misses you..let's do that ride.  BTW, what's the status of
RivRideEast2?  Myself and I'm sure, others are looking forward to it.
The first was a great time and I've enjoyed reading posts here by some
of the people I met there.  I also have gotten the itch to do a S24O
when the weather turns again.  The sale was perfectly timed and I
picked up a Platrack and sleeping bag.  Any other eastsiders have some
good ideas of where to ride and camp?
Thanks,
-Norman
On Jan 3, 3:47 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> But what Montclair may lack in pure vertical climb it more than makes
> up for with its cool restaurants, music/theatre venues, celebrities
> and Complete Streets / cool bike vibe... and Norm Rosenbloom...  Let's
> get together and ride... I've got a cool Montclair loop up through the
> Caldwells, mostly off-road.
>
> Peace,
>
> "Montclair" Bobby Birmingham
> MHS Class of '76
>
> On Jan 1, 9:07 pm, Norman  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Where I am in New Jersey we don't have high mountains and unspoiled
> > rivers.  But it was a relatively balmy 1/1 morning and I set out on my
> > 1 year old Hillborne to do a one to two hour variation of one of the
> > usual rides from my home.  I thought to bring a camera and here are
> > the results.  Best wishes to all.
> > Norman- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Quickbeam vs SimpleOne

[nathan spindel]

Aside from the paint and country of origin, are there any tangible differences 
(geometry, fork, tubing, etc) between the Quickbeam and SimpleOne? I've ridden 
a QB and liked it, but have never tested a SimpleOne so I don't know how they 
compare. That sale is tempting.

-nathan

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[RBW] Re: Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[René Sterental]

Hi Eric,

We could easily say that it's a foggy train station shot with a bike to
complete it! In fact, it was only because of the fog that I waited for the
train ready to take the shot...

René

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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[Bill M.]

Strava is tied to GPS recording, and seems a little too oriented to
"look how fast I did this climb" for my taste.  The home page says
"Track your progress and compete against friends".  Not really the
attitude I expect prevails around this list.  I don't need to share my
watt output with the world to share a nice bike route.

Bikely or Map My Ride might work better for route sharing and
searching without a competitive attitude.  Both have some tagging
capability, but "mixed terrain'' doesn't seem to be a category either
has caught on to.

Gmap-pedometer is a pretty basic tool that allows you to build and
save routes in Google maps without logins or memberships.  The route
names are strictly numeric as far as I can tell, which makes searching
them difficult, but they can be shared publicly.  Here's one (paved)
route I created as an example:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=3765211

Bill

On Jan 3, 8:44 am, TSW  wrote:
> Yes, I've never figured out how to save routes the way one could in
> Yahoo Maps.
>
> But this is quite cool: you use its smartphone app or a GPS, and it
> maps your route, which you can post, share, etc.
>
> http://www.strava.com/rides/my-revenge-x2-at-montezuma-grade-2856587
>
> Notice that you can get avg speed in various segments.  I'm guessing
> they're crowd-sourced named.
>
> Searching isn't great, it seems.  I wonder if it'd be possible to
> create a public "Riv-ish" collection of routes.
>
> Tse-Sung
> Berkeley
>
> On Jan 3, 12:26 am, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I made a map, added the phrase "Rivendell Friendly" to it, and tried
> > to find it, both in GMaps, and in GGoogle. There doesn't seem to be
> > any searchability in personal maps, even if they're public. Ideally, I
> > could zoom in on Orange County, type "Rivendell Ride" in the maps
> > search and find five or six mapped rides, but I can't. I imagine
> > that's on the agenda for Google, someday, but not today.
>
> > I agree with Tse-Tsung that a database of "Rivendell" rides would be
> > dynamite. I like easy, I like central, so I'd vote for a thread here.
>
> > Here's a test map for a route I saved: a mixed terrain ride from
> > McMinnville, Oregon to the Flying M ranch, where bike events are
> > sometimes held.
>
> > So: link, description, location-specific 
> > keywords.http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208780260535319597769.0004b57dbfa...
> > "Bicycle route from Tommy's Bike Shop in McMinnville to the Flying M
> > Ranch in Yamhill. Mixed Terrain, Rivendell friendly Willamette Valley
> > ride. Lots of gravel, some climbing. Staying off of Westside Road,
> > because there's no shoulder, low visibility, and the hay trucks go
> > 70mph.
> > McMinnville, Carlton, Yamhill, Oregon, 97128, Southwest of Portland,
> > OR."
>
> >  Philip
>
> > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > On Jan 2, 2:04 pm, Philip Williamson 
> > wrote:
>
> > > I used Bikely a few years ago, but now I've mostly plotted things out
> > > in Google Maps, usually after the ride. My MO is to set out, get lost,
> > > get found, and have a good time.
>
> > > I just tagged a Google map I made yesterday (in 97128 zip) as
> > > "Rivendell friendly," but I can't see how to search public maps. It
> > > may just take a while to propagate. If it works, we can simply make
> > > our maps, tag them consistently, and done. Ideally, you can go to
> > > "Carlton OR" on Google Maps and search for 'rivendell.' It's a mixed-
> > > terrain route from the McMinnville bike shop to the Flying M ranch (I
> > > want to attend a bike thing there in May).
> > >  Philip
> > > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > > On Jan 2, 10:54 am, TSW  wrote:
>
> > > > hi all,
> > > > Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
> > > > people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
> > > > thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
> > > > online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
> > > > ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
> > > > technical off-road.
>
> > > > TIA,
> > > > Tse-Sung
> > > > Berkeley
>
> > > > ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
> > > > Point in Tilden and took a trail down into Wildcat Canyon, then took
> > > > the Wildcat Creek trail all the way to the Alvarado Staging Area in El
> > > > Sobrante.  A really nice ride.  Met some very nice dogs too :-)
>
> > > > More:
>
> > > >http://g.co/maps/dq3c7
>
> > > > Hit the "3D" button on the left, to fly it.

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Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[Ray Shine]

Yes, that was an Acorn saddlebag, but not at all new. In fact, it is Generation 
One from Acorn.  I have divested myself of nearly all of my Acorn stuff, much 
preferring these days the Keven's V-Brand saddlebags.  The Swift Industries 
stuff is First Rate. I recommend their products very highly. The primary 
advantage with the Swift stuff over the RBW V-brand Panniers is that they are 
two separate bags as opposed to two bags joined together, which makes for more 
versatility in packing and not having to worry over balancing a load, etc.





From: René Sterental 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 3, 2012 3:47:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...


No, I didn't. I remember looking at it and wondering what it was, but my 
attention was more focused on the new brown Acorn medium saddlebag you had. 
That's what it was, right? :-)
 
Bags are another love of mine...
 
René


On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:

Rene -- did you notice the bag on my rack Saturday was a Swift Industries 
pannier in waxed cotton. A great MUSA bag that is my favorite.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:05 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
>
>
>The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold one 
>and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train pulled into 
>the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy, and I tried to 
>capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds me of the Anna 
>Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the train pulling into 
>the train station in the fog while they said good-bye... or something like 
>that.
>> 
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>> 
>>It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the process 
>>of 
>>installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon Dureme 
>>tires, 
>>150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front Pass & Stow rack 
>>(the 
>>Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack should be arriving any day 
>>now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle. 
>>
>> 
>>I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just 
>>added a 
>>new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux light so 
>>now 
>>I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
>> 
>>Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on the 
>>Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although I'm 
>>getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When it 
>>gets 
>>fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you love them 
>>all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
>> 
>>Happy 2012!!!
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[EricP]

Nice photo.  Bike is cool.  But really like the fog and train.

Haven't used the Camper.  Although have commuted with the Nelson
Longflap.  End up using a pannier instead.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 3, 5:47 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> No, I didn't. I remember looking at it and wondering what it was, but my
> attention was more focused on the new brown Acorn medium saddlebag you had.
> That's what it was, right? :-)
>
> Bags are another love of mine...
>
> René
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:
> > Rene -- did you notice the bag on my rack Saturday was a Swift Industries
> > pannier in waxed cotton. A great MUSA bag that is my favorite.
>
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:05 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
>
> > The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold
> > one and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train
> > pulled into the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy,
> > and I tried to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds
> > me of the Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the
> > train pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye...
> > or something like that.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>
> > It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the
> > process of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon
> > Dureme tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front
> > Pass & Stow rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack
> > should be arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.
>
> > I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just
> > added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux
> > light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
>
> > Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on
> > the Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although
> > I'm getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When
> > it gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you
> > love them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
>
> > Happy 2012!!!
>
> > René
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[Kelly Sleeper]

Unless its just to save money I don't believe the older race bike are equal or 
even close substitute for the Roadeo.  My opinion of course.. 

Kelly 

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Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[René Sterental]

No, I didn't. I remember looking at it and wondering what it was, but my
attention was more focused on the new brown Acorn medium saddlebag you had.
That's what it was, right? :-)

Bags are another love of mine...

René

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:

> Rene -- did you notice the bag on my rack Saturday was a Swift Industries
> pannier in waxed cotton. A great MUSA bag that is my favorite.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:05 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
>
> The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold
> one and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train
> pulled into the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy,
> and I tried to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds
> me of the Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the
> train pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye...
> or something like that.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>
> It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the
> process of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon
> Dureme tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front
> Pass & Stow rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack
> should be arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.
>
> I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just
> added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux
> light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
>
> Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on
> the Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although
> I'm getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When
> it gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you
> love them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
>
> Happy 2012!!!
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[Ray Shine]

Rene -- did you notice the bag on my rack Saturday was a Swift Industries 
pannier in waxed cotton. A great MUSA bag that is my favorite.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:05 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold one 
> and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train pulled into 
> the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy, and I tried 
> to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds me of the 
> Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the train 
> pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye... or 
> something like that.
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/
>  
> It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the process 
> of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon Dureme 
> tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front Pass & Stow 
> rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack should be 
> arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.
>  
> I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just 
> added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux 
> light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.
>  
> Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on the 
> Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although I'm 
> getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When it 
> gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you love 
> them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!
>  
> Happy 2012!!!
>  
> René
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Re: [RBW] Fender Frustration

[René Sterental]

I have to agree with you. The very first Rivendell bike I saw in person at
a Caltrain station was a green Sam H. and I fell in love with its color. On
my first ever visit to RBW, when I was test riding them and deliberating
between the Homer and the Sam, their different colors were a strong factor
in my internal debate.

In the end I chose the Homer because the test model I rode felt better, but
that green color has always been at the back of my mind waiting for an
excuse to repaint one of my bikes.

The time may come sooner than anticipated, so we'll see...

Congratulate your wife on her beautiful Betty.

René

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Smitty-A-Go-Go <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Sam Hill Green"
>
> When we went into Riv HQ for test rides the wife wanted an Yves Gomes
> because she thought she wanted a black bike. I wouldn't let her pick black
> and Vince graciously accepted the challenge to show us frames until she
> picked a "real" color. He bent over backwards to drag out frame after frame
> from all over the shop so we could look at colors. A dozen or so frames
> into it the wife was still set on black. Vince had an Ah-Ha! moment and
> brought out a frame painted 'Sam Hill Green'. As soon as she saw it in the
> sun, she knew that that was the color she wanted.
>
> It's a marvelously beautiful color. It's way too nuanced to really be
> captured in a photo. Depending on the light it can appear anywhere from a
> rich olive to almost silver. It's got sparkly flecks that make the paint
> look 3D. And the red tires + silver accessories set it off. It's not nearly
> as showy with black/gum tires. I was tempted to get my AHH in the same
> color but the wife was clear that we were not going to have matchy-match
> bikes.
>
> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

[René Sterental]

Hi Mark,

Even if I wouldn't do it, I still think it is a very ingenious solution I
never thought of either. The great thing about this group is how many other
ideas you get exposed to that in turn, generate new ideas in your head.

Happy riding!!!

René

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Mark Fredrickson <
mark.m.fredrick...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi René,
>
> > No offense intended at all, but I cannot see myself doing that on my
> bikes.
>
> None taken. Different strokes for different folks. I was having fun
> fabricating small parts from old junk in the garage, so there was a
> perverse pleasure in this for me. For someone with more metal working
> skills and better tools, I imagine nicer brackets could be generated
> (and I think I saw reference to commercial offerings at some point).
>
> > I'd rather go to a smaller sized tire if needed.
>
> I can honestly say this idea did not occur to me until after I had cut
> the fender. Even so, I'm happy with the result.
>
> From pictures I've seen, I can certainly appreciate your fine taste in
> bicycles. :-)
>
> Best wishes,
> - Mark
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Tool Roll Olive

[Joe Bernard]

I'm amazed that these keep coming up for sale. I bought one from a 
listmember and love it. It stays rolled up in a saddlebag; the pockets 
separating things so nothing rattles. Buy it!
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Foggy Morning at the train station on Hunqapillar...

[René Sterental]

The first official work day of the year was a very foggy but not too cold
one and I couldn't help myself from capturing the moment as the train
pulled into the Palo Alto station. For some reason it all felt very dreamy,
and I tried to capture that feeling in my photo. For some reason it reminds
me of the Anna Karenina movie I saw as a teenager that had an image of the
train pulling into the train station in the fog while they said good-bye...
or something like that.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/6629315631/

It shows my Hunqapillar still without the Berthoud fenders I'm in the
process of installing so I can ride it when the rains hit us. 50mm Marathon
Dureme tires, 150mm Bullmoose bars with fat Brooks leather grips, front
Pass & Stow rack (the Swift Industries black canvas Pelican Porteur rack
should be arriving any day now) and my beloved Berthoud saddle.

I've also grown very fond of the Carradice Longflap Camper and have just
added a new front SON28 Dyad 36 wheel (new SON28 model hub) with its Edelux
light so now I can also commute on the Hunqapillar.

Now I get to debate with myself in the evening if I'm going to commute on
the Atlantis or on the Hunqapillar... the Betty has no lights yet, although
I'm getting a helmet light (sold by RBW) which will make it feasible. When
it gets fenders, then I'll be in a real conundrum... How to choose when you
love them all? At least they don't appear to be jealous of each other!

Happy 2012!!!

René

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Re: [RBW] New Year morning ride

[robert zeidler]

What BMW did you get?

On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> But what Montclair may lack in pure vertical climb it more than makes
> up for with its cool restaurants, music/theatre venues, celebrities
> and Complete Streets / cool bike vibe... and Norm Rosenbloom...  Let's
> get together and ride... I've got a cool Montclair loop up through the
> Caldwells, mostly off-road.
>
> Peace,
>
> "Montclair" Bobby Birmingham
> MHS Class of '76
>
>
> On Jan 1, 9:07 pm, Norman  wrote:
>> Where I am in New Jersey we don't have high mountains and unspoiled
>> rivers.  But it was a relatively balmy 1/1 morning and I set out on my
>> 1 year old Hillborne to do a one to two hour variation of one of the
>> usual rides from my home.  I thought to bring a camera and here are
>> the results.  Best wishes to all.
>> Norman
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[RBW] FS: Sackville Tool Roll Olive

[ekoral]

Hey,
I've got a brand new olive tool roll that I bought and swore i would
use it. Well, I never did. Now I'm gonna sell it. $30 shipping within
the US included. Lemme know if youre into it! I'm in SF, so if you're
local i'd be glad to meet.

Thanks!
Eli

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for all the replies, suggestions and offers of various bikes (too
poor for the nonce to buy one). I like the old racing bike idea and,
actually, before I bought the Herse, had thought of priddying up the '73
Motobecane that I in fact sold to Eric Norris of this list -- light, toute
531 leger and nice handling with long stays and nimble front. Which brings
me full circle to the original thread: I rather regret now (20 years after
the fact) selling my 1989, Sante equipped all 531C Falcon: shitty,
Britain-in-industrial-decline paint job and wheels and tasteless Sante
powdercoat, but a nice, long-stayed, short front-center frame that would
have made a very decent gofast with some decent wheels and properly set up.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:25 PM, William  wrote:

> Responding to Patricks original post.
>
> I filled that description with a 1984 Trek 770.  It features standard
> diameter 531 tubing, and takes 28s (Roly-Poly).  I bought the complete bike
> from the original owner for $600.  I then parted out the Campagnolo Super
> Record stuff through the regular channels.  At the moment my running total
> has me owning the frame/fork/headset/saddle/wheelset/handlebar for a total
> outlay of $25.  It takes 28s and doesn't even hint at racks or fenders,
> because it has no brazeons.  I'm supremely happy with it.  It's got a 2x7
> compact double drivetrain on it now, and I will be using it on brevets this
> year.  I've even got it set up with a decaleur and have ridden it with a
> sizeable handlebar bag, despite the guarantees that such a setup is
> absolutely unrideable.
>
> As willing as you've demonstrated yourself to be in parting things out, I
> think this route could be fruitful for you as well.  There are good
> geo-charts available for both Trek and Bridgestone online, so you could buy
> off craigslist without having to ask a bunch of sizing minutia from your
> seller.
>
> I keep a 1992 RB1 at a family vacation home in the midwest as well.  No
> need for compact double out in the cornfields.
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo or RB1?

[William]

Responding to Patricks original post.  

I filled that description with a 1984 Trek 770.  It features standard 
diameter 531 tubing, and takes 28s (Roly-Poly).  I bought the complete bike 
from the original owner for $600.  I then parted out the Campagnolo Super 
Record stuff through the regular channels.  At the moment my running total 
has me owning the frame/fork/headset/saddle/wheelset/handlebar for a total 
outlay of $25.  It takes 28s and doesn't even hint at racks or fenders, 
because it has no brazeons.  I'm supremely happy with it.  It's got a 2x7 
compact double drivetrain on it now, and I will be using it on brevets this 
year.  I've even got it set up with a decaleur and have ridden it with a 
sizeable handlebar bag, despite the guarantees that such a setup is 
absolutely unrideable.  

As willing as you've demonstrated yourself to be in parting things out, I 
think this route could be fruitful for you as well.  There are good 
geo-charts available for both Trek and Bridgestone online, so you could buy 
off craigslist without having to ask a bunch of sizing minutia from your 
seller.  

I keep a 1992 RB1 at a family vacation home in the midwest as well.  No 
need for compact double out in the cornfields.

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[RBW] FS a 700C wheelset for your Atlantis/Hillborne/Hunqa/Hilsen/Bomba

[William]

I sold my Hillborne, planning to get an Atlantis.  As I've posted more than 
once, that Atlantis idea is not urgent and is becoming less urgent.  My 
loaded touring fantasies won't be practical for at least a decade, for 
myriad reasons.  So, the stuff that I have as Atlantis placeholders are not 
so badly needed.  

I'm offering for sale to the group the wheelset from my Hillborne.  The 
rims are 36 hole Bontrager Fairlanes (symmetric front, asymmetric rear). 
 DT spokes.  Current XT rear hub.  NOS Specialized sealed bearing front 
hub.  Silver rims, silver hubs.  I rode them maybe 750 miles on my 
Hillborne.  They were handbuilt by me.  I'm not Rich Lesnick experienced 
but I am experienced.  ~15 years of bike shop work.  I probably have not 
built 1000 wheels in my life but I probably have built 500.  

Anyhow, I think these wheels are substantially nicer than the budget 
Synergy 700 wheelset that Riv sells for $250.  I'm asking $175 and hoping 
for local (East Bay) pickup.  If you need them shipped, then I'll ship for 
cost.  

Let me know off-list if interested.  

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[RBW] Re: New Year morning ride

[Montclair BobbyB]

But what Montclair may lack in pure vertical climb it more than makes
up for with its cool restaurants, music/theatre venues, celebrities
and Complete Streets / cool bike vibe... and Norm Rosenbloom...  Let's
get together and ride... I've got a cool Montclair loop up through the
Caldwells, mostly off-road.

Peace,

"Montclair" Bobby Birmingham
MHS Class of '76


On Jan 1, 9:07 pm, Norman  wrote:
> Where I am in New Jersey we don't have high mountains and unspoiled
> rivers.  But it was a relatively balmy 1/1 morning and I set out on my
> 1 year old Hillborne to do a one to two hour variation of one of the
> usual rides from my home.  I thought to bring a camera and here are
> the results.  Best wishes to all.
> Norman

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Esteban]

28mm seems to be the practical limit with fenders on the Ram/Rom.

On Jan 3, 11:50 am, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on 
> the front with the stock Shimano brakes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Half-step + granny" gearing...

[Joe Bunik]

On 1/3/12, Garth  wrote:
> I have one road bike I use a HS+G with a 7sp. 13-32 and 26-44-48 rings.  I
> live in very hilly terrain and I love it.  The times I went to the
> mountains it was great too. It's just individual taste though.
> You can use a HS setup with 8 or 9, as long as the range of the cassette is
> wide, like a 13-32, 11-34 or 12-36 .. sumthin' like that.  It's just fun to
> experiment.  Less gears is more that you think.
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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Joe Bernard]

I ran SKS35s with 28 Ruffy Tuffys. There's know way you're gonna get 32s on the 
front with the stock Shimano brakes. 

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[RBW] Re: "Half-step + granny" gearing...

[Garth]

I have one road bike I use a HS+G with a 7sp. 13-32 and 26-44-48 rings.  I 
live in very hilly terrain and I love it.  The times I went to the 
mountains it was great too. It's just individual taste though. 
You can use a HS setup with 8 or 9, as long as the range of the cassette is 
wide, like a 13-32, 11-34 or 12-36 .. sumthin' like that.  It's just fun to 
experiment.  Less gears is more that you think. 

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[RBW] Re: Custom cassettes

[Garth]

Way to go Doug !   Bust them rivets :)  DIY bliss. 

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[RBW] Re: Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Leslie]

I've got VO 45 aluminum fenders on my Ram;  I started out w/ 32 Paselas but 
was having rubbing, especially under the fork, switched down to RuffyTuffys 
(28s). 

Through glass cuts in sidewalls, ended up putting a Pasela back on under 
the rear. That's how I'm currently riding, 32 in rear, 28 in front.  
It's close, but no rubbing.

I haven't tried SKS fenders, don't know how they'd do differently...




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[RBW] Re: Bottom Bracket size for an Atlantis

[Mattt]

 
I have the Alpina with a 110mm SKF bottom bracket on my Sam Hillborne and 
fits great.  I know its not an Atlantis but slightly relative.
 
Matt

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Re: [RBW] Fender Frustration

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

"Sam Hill Green" 

When we went into Riv HQ for test rides the wife wanted an Yves Gomes 
because she thought she wanted a black bike. I wouldn't let her pick black 
and Vince graciously accepted the challenge to show us frames until she 
picked a "real" color. He bent over backwards to drag out frame after frame 
from all over the shop so we could look at colors. A dozen or so frames 
into it the wife was still set on black. Vince had an Ah-Ha! moment and 
brought out a frame painted 'Sam Hill Green'. As soon as she saw it in the 
sun, she knew that that was the color she wanted. 

It's a marvelously beautiful color. It's way too nuanced to really be 
captured in a photo. Depending on the light it can appear anywhere from a 
rich olive to almost silver. It's got sparkly flecks that make the paint 
look 3D. And the red tires + silver accessories set it off. It's not nearly 
as showy with black/gum tires. I was tempted to get my AHH in the same 
color but the wife was clear that we were not going to have matchy-match 
bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Fender Frustration

[Mark Fredrickson]

Hi René,

> No offense intended at all, but I cannot see myself doing that on my bikes.

None taken. Different strokes for different folks. I was having fun
fabricating small parts from old junk in the garage, so there was a
perverse pleasure in this for me. For someone with more metal working
skills and better tools, I imagine nicer brackets could be generated
(and I think I saw reference to commercial offerings at some point).

> I'd rather go to a smaller sized tire if needed.

I can honestly say this idea did not occur to me until after I had cut
the fender. Even so, I'm happy with the result.

>From pictures I've seen, I can certainly appreciate your fine taste in
bicycles. :-)

Best wishes,
- Mark


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[RBW] Re: simpleone size 56 frame measurements

[ted]

I get about 81.5 with my tape measure (56 SO w/ jack browns).

On Jan 2, 8:39 pm, SB  wrote:
> Makes sense. Thanks!
>
> On Jan 2, 7:46 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Everything you need to get a really good guess is there on the charts.  A
> > Roadeo had the same seat tube angle and top tube slope.  Split the
> > difference between the 55 and the 57 and you're at 81.5cm.  The Roadeo has
> > 2mm more drop than the SO, so the Simple One 56 would have a standover of
> > 81.7cm with similar tires.  I'd wager it was Jack Browns.  Adjust up a few
> > mm if you are going to run fatter tires.
>
> > Give them a call to make sure, but I'd bet a dollar that's an estimate
> > within a couple mm.

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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[TSW]

Yes, I've never figured out how to save routes the way one could in
Yahoo Maps.

But this is quite cool: you use its smartphone app or a GPS, and it
maps your route, which you can post, share, etc.

http://www.strava.com/rides/my-revenge-x2-at-montezuma-grade-2856587

Notice that you can get avg speed in various segments.  I'm guessing
they're crowd-sourced named.

Searching isn't great, it seems.  I wonder if it'd be possible to
create a public "Riv-ish" collection of routes.

Tse-Sung
Berkeley

On Jan 3, 12:26 am, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I made a map, added the phrase "Rivendell Friendly" to it, and tried
> to find it, both in GMaps, and in GGoogle. There doesn't seem to be
> any searchability in personal maps, even if they're public. Ideally, I
> could zoom in on Orange County, type "Rivendell Ride" in the maps
> search and find five or six mapped rides, but I can't. I imagine
> that's on the agenda for Google, someday, but not today.
>
> I agree with Tse-Tsung that a database of "Rivendell" rides would be
> dynamite. I like easy, I like central, so I'd vote for a thread here.
>
> Here's a test map for a route I saved: a mixed terrain ride from
> McMinnville, Oregon to the Flying M ranch, where bike events are
> sometimes held.
>
> So: link, description, location-specific 
> keywords.http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208780260535319597769.0004b57dbfa...
> "Bicycle route from Tommy's Bike Shop in McMinnville to the Flying M
> Ranch in Yamhill. Mixed Terrain, Rivendell friendly Willamette Valley
> ride. Lots of gravel, some climbing. Staying off of Westside Road,
> because there's no shoulder, low visibility, and the hay trucks go
> 70mph.
> McMinnville, Carlton, Yamhill, Oregon, 97128, Southwest of Portland,
> OR."
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> On Jan 2, 2:04 pm, Philip Williamson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I used Bikely a few years ago, but now I've mostly plotted things out
> > in Google Maps, usually after the ride. My MO is to set out, get lost,
> > get found, and have a good time.
>
> > I just tagged a Google map I made yesterday (in 97128 zip) as
> > "Rivendell friendly," but I can't see how to search public maps. It
> > may just take a while to propagate. If it works, we can simply make
> > our maps, tag them consistently, and done. Ideally, you can go to
> > "Carlton OR" on Google Maps and search for 'rivendell.' It's a mixed-
> > terrain route from the McMinnville bike shop to the Flying M ranch (I
> > want to attend a bike thing there in May).
> >  Philip
> > Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> > On Jan 2, 10:54 am, TSW  wrote:
>
> > > hi all,
> > > Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
> > > people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
> > > thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
> > > online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
> > > ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
> > > technical off-road.
>
> > > TIA,
> > > Tse-Sung
> > > Berkeley
>
> > > ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
> > > Point in Tilden and took a trail down into Wildcat Canyon, then took
> > > the Wildcat Creek trail all the way to the Alvarado Staging Area in El
> > > Sobrante.  A really nice ride.  Met some very nice dogs too :-)
>
> > > More:
>
> > >http://g.co/maps/dq3c7
>
> > > Hit the "3D" button on the left, to fly it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?

[Ray Shine]

Colin -- What canyon outside Amarillo?  Is it in a park or a greenbelt?





From: colin p. cummings 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Tue, January 3, 2012 6:43:30 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?

I sold a green QB two years ago and still regret it.  I have a picture
of me standing over it on a bright summer day packed to ride to the
canyon outside Amarillo, TX.  I am beaming.  That was a good day.

On Dec 30 2011, 11:47 pm, Mattt  wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> I am contemplating selling my Quickbeam I recently purchased from John on
> the Forum.  It is in great condition and has barely been ridden.  I am
> thinking about selling it because I only rode it a few times, don't see
> riding it much for a while, and could use the cash.  I get my riding time
> in mostly commuting and what I use my Sam for.  The regret part I think
> about is will I in a few years change my cycling routine and have a need
> for the Quickbeam.  I don't know, tough call.
>
> The main I posted this is wondering if anyone in the group regretted
> selling a bike.
>
> Matt

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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[TSW]

Yes- my first 'country bike' ride.  It started out pretty downhill,
then rolling hills.  Must do again, or try variants; head further
east, or the Marin headlands, etc.  It's nice to be cruising along in
the wilderness, no car traffic.

Tse-Sung

On Jan 2, 5:07 pm, René Sterental  wrote:
> I'll have to try this ride sometime... seems like a lot of fun!
>
> René
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM, TSW  wrote:
> > hi all,
> > Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
> > people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
> > thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
> > online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
> > ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
> > technical off-road.
>
> > TIA,
> > Tse-Sung
> > Berkeley
>
> > ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
> > Point in Tilden and took a trail down into Wildcat Canyon, then took
> > the Wildcat Creek trail all the way to the Alvarado Staging Area in El
> > Sobrante.  A really nice ride.  Met some very nice dogs too :-)
>
> > More:
>
> >http://g.co/maps/dq3c7
>
> > Hit the "3D" button on the left, to fly it.
>
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[RBW] Fenders/Tires for Rom

[Darin G.]

Anyone out there running the SKS P35 fenders on a Rom?  Is there room
to get a Grand Bois 30 (32 actual) under there?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?

[Kelly Sleeper]

Colin,

Do we get to see the picture? Please :)  

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Anyone Regret Selling a Bike?

[colin p. cummings]

I sold a green QB two years ago and still regret it.  I have a picture
of me standing over it on a bright summer day packed to ride to the
canyon outside Amarillo, TX.  I am beaming.  That was a good day.

On Dec 30 2011, 11:47 pm, Mattt  wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> I am contemplating selling my Quickbeam I recently purchased from John on
> the Forum.  It is in great condition and has barely been ridden.  I am
> thinking about selling it because I only rode it a few times, don't see
> riding it much for a while, and could use the cash.  I get my riding time
> in mostly commuting and what I use my Sam for.  The regret part I think
> about is will I in a few years change my cycling routine and have a need
> for the Quickbeam.  I don't know, tough call.
>
> The main I posted this is wondering if anyone in the group regretted
> selling a bike.
>
> Matt

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2012

[Christian]

I replied to the list in case anyone else is in the market for a
threadless bullmoose.  Origin8 makes one:
http://www.origin-8.com/?page_id=91&short_code=BullNose+Combo+Bar&cl1=HANDLEBARS

Happy new year,

Christian

On Jan 2, 10:45 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Goal #1 is accomplished. I finished in 10hrs 46min, that's the slowest
> 200k I've ever done but seemed to be the hardest with a fair amount of
> climbing, rain, wind, rainbows, and a fantastic dirt descent towards
> the end. Unfortunately I earned some bonus kilometers by missing a
> turn and was delayed twice by the same train which seemed to be
> entirely too long. I'll probably post pictures and a little write up
> over on the Randon group tomorrow. I love randonneuring. I feel like
> it's the type of cycling I was always looking for, challenging but
> nowhere near as stressful as racing.
>
> Some of my non-cycling related goals for this year include reading
> some books I've always meant to but just haven't gotten around to
> reading--Moby Dick, Infinite Jest, Les Miserables. We'll see.
>
> --mike
>
> On Jan 1, 9:52 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > 1) Survive tomorrow's off the couch 200k permanent.
> > 2) Complete another Super Randonneur series.
> > 3) Earn R70 "honors" by complete all SR qualifying brevets in 70% of
> > the allotted time. I've managed this with everything but the 600k. It
> > may not be possible. If you're curious what I'm talking about see
> > this:http://cyclosmontagnards.org/R80Rules.html
> > 4) Ride a Fleche.
> > 5) Ride the Cascade 1200k if I can. Currently it conflicts with a
> > family vacation.
> > 6) Do some overnight camping this summer.
> > 7) Thee day solo mini tour.
> > 8) I'd love to complete a Cyclos Montagnards Challenge this summer
> > with my friend Joshua. We've talked about it a lot but it might just
> > be something beyond my abilities. The fleche and this year's 600k will
> > be a good test for that.
> > 9) Ride my bike and have fun in-between completing these goals.
> > 10) Maybe this year I'll finally build a wheel.
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2012

[EricP]

Don't have much in the way of goals for this year.  At least bike
related ones.
1. Do an S24O.  Time slipped away last year.  Hopefully this year.
2. See if I can go a full year without buying and/or selling a bike.
Hoped to do that last year, but didn't work out. At all.  Try again.
3. Wag more, bark less.  Yeah, not specifically bike related, but I
need to work on being less of a jerk.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Trail Recommendation Database?

[Philip Williamson]

I made a map, added the phrase "Rivendell Friendly" to it, and tried
to find it, both in GMaps, and in GGoogle. There doesn't seem to be
any searchability in personal maps, even if they're public. Ideally, I
could zoom in on Orange County, type "Rivendell Ride" in the maps
search and find five or six mapped rides, but I can't. I imagine
that's on the agenda for Google, someday, but not today.

I agree with Tse-Tsung that a database of "Rivendell" rides would be
dynamite. I like easy, I like central, so I'd vote for a thread here.

Here's a test map for a route I saved: a mixed terrain ride from
McMinnville, Oregon to the Flying M ranch, where bike events are
sometimes held.

So: link, description, location-specific keywords.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208780260535319597769.0004b57dbfa8652517590&msa=0
"Bicycle route from Tommy's Bike Shop in McMinnville to the Flying M
Ranch in Yamhill. Mixed Terrain, Rivendell friendly Willamette Valley
ride. Lots of gravel, some climbing. Staying off of Westside Road,
because there's no shoulder, low visibility, and the hay trucks go
70mph.
McMinnville, Carlton, Yamhill, Oregon, 97128, Southwest of Portland,
OR."

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Jan 2, 2:04 pm, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I used Bikely a few years ago, but now I've mostly plotted things out
> in Google Maps, usually after the ride. My MO is to set out, get lost,
> get found, and have a good time.
>
> I just tagged a Google map I made yesterday (in 97128 zip) as
> "Rivendell friendly," but I can't see how to search public maps. It
> may just take a while to propagate. If it works, we can simply make
> our maps, tag them consistently, and done. Ideally, you can go to
> "Carlton OR" on Google Maps and search for 'rivendell.' It's a mixed-
> terrain route from the McMinnville bike shop to the Flying M ranch (I
> want to attend a bike thing there in May).
>  Philip
> Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> On Jan 2, 10:54 am, TSW  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > hi all,
> > Sorry if this has been discussed already- is there a place where
> > people have posted or can post trail recommendations?  Could be a
> > thread here... or a Google spreadsheet perhaps?  I know there must be
> > online resources... I was thinking something that's a bit more Riv-
> > ish- country biking and all that- a mix of road and not terribly
> > technical off-road.
>
> > TIA,
> > Tse-Sung
> > Berkeley
>
> > ps- yesterday, in our neck o' the woods, I started at Inspiration
> > Point in Tilden and took a trail down into Wildcat Canyon, then took
> > the Wildcat Creek trail all the way to the Alvarado Staging Area in El
> > Sobrante.  A really nice ride.  Met some very nice dogs too :-)
>
> > More:
>
> >http://g.co/maps/dq3c7
>
> > Hit the "3D" button on the left, to fly it.

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[RBW] Re: Chilly 2012

[Rob]

I'm tempted. It'd be a good way to start out the riding season. It's been 
about 20 years since I've done it

And hey, I'm now sharing my office with Cascade Bicycle Club--I've got to 
represent! (They've established a satellite office downtown, to facilitate 
their work with the City, etc.) 

Come visit us on the Tour de Vance January 12th, by the way: 
https://www.facebook.com/events/305791172787356/

Rob in Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2012

[Rob]

Well, I apparently suck at goal-achieving, or I did last year anyway. I 
didn't hit *any* of my goals for last 
year.
 
The weather in Seattle was not cooperative, nor was the economy. Spent way 
too much time trying to find more work. Maslow's pyramid of needs Well, 
my son and I *did* ride on the John Wayne Trail one day. And I did acquire 
a repair stand--and wow--I should have done that *years* ago. And an rSogn 
frame *was* delivered to my door, though it was sent back because it was 
the wrong size. 

Hopefully the rSogn, S24Os with the boy, and multi-modal camping trips will 
happen this year. I'm going to skip the STP and see about doing a short 
tour with my friends on the Oregon Coast instead. 

I did ride my Saluki to work almost every day, year 'round. Only an 8-mile 
round trip, but a really nice part of my day. 

Rob in Seattle


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