[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[EricP]

For coverage, it will be close.  The hardware on the front fender might, or 
might not clear a 42.  Have 700x40 Marathon Duremes on the Sam Hillborne 
and had to fiddle with the cream longboards to get everything to work.  
Tried to mount the front fender to the rack yesterday and threw everything 
out of line.  Was able to get it back to normal, but now have a large hole 
in the top of the fender.  And still no attachment to the rack.  Sigh.
 
But the fenders should just, barely, eke out coverage.  IMO, the silvers 
are a touch better in that department than the creamboards.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:03:53 PM UTC-5, Darin G. wrote:

> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s. 
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[Mitch Browne]

Darin,

I don't have pictures at hand but have Marathon Supreme 40's (42-622) / 
Longboards  on my Atlantis for almost a year now. Oh. and the back rim is 
an A719 laced to a White MI5.

Previously I used Marathon Plus 47's with Silver SKS. I still have a new 
set of orphaned 47's if interested ;)

I appreciate the sturdiness of the Silver SKS and have them on other bikes 
but from a functional stand point the Long boards provide better coverage 
and although not quite as sturdy by compare are plenty sturdy.

I like this set up enough that the Supreme's are wearing and I purchased 
another set for replacement when these demand change.

One note is that this setup is for daily commute. I commute about 16 miles 
daily on surface streets and city roads. I can't opine on fully loaded 
touring. 

Finally, I do receive regular compliments about the bike when out and 
about. My stock response is "and it's highly functional" I like the fact 
that everything works well for me and that it's attractive is secondary.

I'll try to get some pictures up in the next day or two.

I vote for Longboard.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA



On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:03:53 PM UTC-7, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[Jim]

Here is a pic of the longboards over 700 x 40 Marathon Duremes:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wy60R5EEhVK52RCNC89ByPBgKrmLWcThQVl2j-KPz0A?feat=directlink

It's tight.  i don't think you could get a bigger tire in there, at least 
with the sidepull brakes.  Cantis will give you more room.

Jim in Boulder

On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike lust.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Tim - Just saw this; thanks. How does the Atlantis look for fenders
with the 60s? What are the actual measurements between the fork legs
and stays at max tire width?

Anyone want to trade a trike for an Atlantis???

Used the Fargo with 35 mm Kojaks to go to Presanctified (ie, reserved
Eucharist) liturgy last night -- 21 m rt including stop at PO -- as,
with my middle finger knuckle sprained, I can't reliably operate the
single right hand brake lever on the Riv with lights. The Fargo
handles decently with that wheelset, but it is nothing like the magic
of the Rivs.

Tangent #2: Cyo R: I done heerd tell that these don't cast a beam far
enough for'ard for anything but ambling. I have one on the Fargo and
simply aim it high enough to barely catch stop signs a block away: the
beam is fine, in fact quite good: long and broad and wider and more
squared off than that of the regular Cyo. I chose the R for the Fargo
thinking its beam might be better on dirt -- which I think is the
case. Not sure I don't prefer the R to the regular.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM, dougP  wrote:

> On Mar 14, 5:19 pm, Tim Whalen  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> All I know is the Atlantis.  I've got 60mm Big Apples on my 58 right now
>> with plenty of clearance and I've run fairly knobby 2.2s or so.  I can look
>> in the am for clearance details with the BAs if you like.  I think you
>> would love the Atlantis for everything you do.
>> Regards,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> > So, ye of multiple Riv fat tire bike knowledge: compare ye the Hunq,
>> > the Bomb and the Atl and describe the ride differences on- and
>> > off-road in excruciating and unmitigated detail.
>>
>> > I see that the Bomb takes 60s with room to spare and that the Atl don't;
>> > Hunq?
>>
>> > Would love to have a Riv to replace the Fargo -- wld even forgo (he
>> > he) disk brakes -- but no g-d double tts!!
>>
>> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Steve  wrote:
>> > > Personally, I think the Hunqapillar has replaced the Atlantis as my
>> > ultimate
>> > > goal. I don't know exactly why, maybe it's that extra bit of ruggedness +
>> > > the Diagatube.
>>
>> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/5043949624/in/pool-1358127@...
>>
>> > > I know how you feel.
>>
>> > > On Monday, March 12, 2012 12:48:32 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> > >> Have you ever happened across a photo of a bike that makes your blood
>> > boil
>> > >> in a good way?
>>
>> > >> One that makes you want to build one just like it and ride it around the
>> > >> world...for the rest of your life.
>>
>> > >> I stumbled on this one in the flickriver and it has my Hilsen on the
>> > verge
>> > >> of being sold off for an Atlantis.
>>
>> > >> Hopefully this is someone here so they know I think this is one of the
>> > >> best Rivendells I've laid eyes on.
>>
>> > >> Rivendell Atlantis
>>
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[RBW] Re: Belated introduction

[Jim]

Welcome!  That Sam is a fine looking bike!

Jim in Boulder

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:12:32 AM UTC-6, Steve wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone!
> In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam 
> Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and 
> car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive at my 
> destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so pleasant. 
> I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns out 
> to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so 
> enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along the 
> Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
>
> Steven, Monterey CA
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Belated introduction

[Jim]

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:34:13 AM UTC-6, Jim wrote:
>
> Welcome!  That Sam is a fine looking bike!
>
> Jim in Boulder
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:12:32 AM UTC-6, Steve wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone!
>> In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam 
>> Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and 
>> car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive at my 
>> destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so pleasant. 
>> I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns out 
>> to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so 
>> enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along the 
>> Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
>>
>> Steven, Monterey CA
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Belated introduction

[Steve]

Thanks David and Jim, Living only a few hours away I am very lucky to have 
been able to make one visit to investigate and one to pick up. The Saturday 
team rocked. Harry and Vince spent quite a bit of time with me, talking 
bike/part talk. When I went to pick up, Jay was super helpful, and Keven 
let me see his bike to make comparisons. Oh how I wish RBW was my LBS :)

Steven

On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looking good! Nice that you picked it up directly from the source!
>
> On 3/14/12, Steve  wrote:
> > Hello Everyone!
> > In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam
> > Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and
> > car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive at 
> my
> > destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so 
> pleasant.
> > I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns 
> out
> > to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so
> > enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along 
> the
> > Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
> >
> > Steven, Monterey CA
> >
> >
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On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looking good! Nice that you picked it up directly from the source!
>
> On 3/14/12, Steve  wrote:
> > Hello Everyone!
> > In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam
> > Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and
> > car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive at 
> my
> > destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so 
> pleasant.
> > I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns 
> out
> > to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so
> > enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along 
> the
> > Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
> >
> > Steven, Monterey CA
> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] Belated introduction

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Don't we all... :-)


On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:46:56 AM UTC-7, Steve wrote:
>
> Thanks David and Jim, Living only a few hours away I am very lucky to have 
> been able to make one visit to investigate and one to pick up. The Saturday 
> team rocked. Harry and Vince spent quite a bit of time with me, talking 
> bike/part talk. When I went to pick up, Jay was super helpful, and Keven 
> let me see his bike to make comparisons. Oh how I wish RBW was my LBS :)
>
> Steven
>
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Looking good! Nice that you picked it up directly from the source!
>>
>> On 3/14/12, Steve  wrote:
>> > Hello Everyone!
>> > In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam
>> > Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and
>> > car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive 
>> at my
>> > destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so 
>> pleasant.
>> > I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns 
>> out
>> > to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so
>> > enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along 
>> the
>> > Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
>> >
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
>> >
>> > Steven, Monterey CA
>> >
>> >
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>>
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>> David
>> Redlands, CA
>>
>> **
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>> America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s
>> the America I love.”
>>
>>
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Looking good! Nice that you picked it up directly from the source!
>>
>> On 3/14/12, Steve  wrote:
>> > Hello Everyone!
>> > In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam
>> > Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and
>> > car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive 
>> at my
>> > destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so 
>> pleasant.
>> > I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns 
>> out
>> > to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so
>> > enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along 
>> the
>> > Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
>> >
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
>> >
>> > Steven, Monterey CA
>> >
>> >
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[RBW] Re: Bike lust.

[dougP]

Patrick:

Hopefully you'll take this in good humor, but the answer to your
question "Anyone want to trade a trike for an Atlantis???" is the Olde
English retort "Not bloody likely!"

dougP


On Mar 15, 7:33 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Tim - Just saw this; thanks. How does the Atlantis look for fenders
> with the 60s? What are the actual measurements between the fork legs
> and stays at max tire width?
>
> Anyone want to trade a trike for an Atlantis???
>
> Used the Fargo with 35 mm Kojaks to go to Presanctified (ie, reserved
> Eucharist) liturgy last night -- 21 m rt including stop at PO -- as,
> with my middle finger knuckle sprained, I can't reliably operate the
> single right hand brake lever on the Riv with lights. The Fargo
> handles decently with that wheelset, but it is nothing like the magic
> of the Rivs.
>
> Tangent #2: Cyo R: I done heerd tell that these don't cast a beam far
> enough for'ard for anything but ambling. I have one on the Fargo and
> simply aim it high enough to barely catch stop signs a block away: the
> beam is fine, in fact quite good: long and broad and wider and more
> squared off than that of the regular Cyo. I chose the R for the Fargo
> thinking its beam might be better on dirt -- which I think is the
> case. Not sure I don't prefer the R to the regular.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM, dougP  wrote:
> > On Mar 14, 5:19 pm, Tim Whalen  wrote:
> >> Patrick,
>
> >> All I know is the Atlantis.  I've got 60mm Big Apples on my 58 right now
> >> with plenty of clearance and I've run fairly knobby 2.2s or so.  I can look
> >> in the am for clearance details with the BAs if you like.  I think you
> >> would love the Atlantis for everything you do.
> >> Regards,
> >> Tim
>
> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> >> > So, ye of multiple Riv fat tire bike knowledge: compare ye the Hunq,
> >> > the Bomb and the Atl and describe the ride differences on- and
> >> > off-road in excruciating and unmitigated detail.
>
> >> > I see that the Bomb takes 60s with room to spare and that the Atl don't;
> >> > Hunq?
>
> >> > Would love to have a Riv to replace the Fargo -- wld even forgo (he
> >> > he) disk brakes -- but no g-d double tts!!
>
> >> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Steve  wrote:
> >> > > Personally, I think the Hunqapillar has replaced the Atlantis as my
> >> > ultimate
> >> > > goal. I don't know exactly why, maybe it's that extra bit of 
> >> > > ruggedness +
> >> > > the Diagatube.
>
> >> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/5043949624/in/pool-1358127@...
>
> >> > > I know how you feel.
>
> >> > > On Monday, March 12, 2012 12:48:32 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> >> > >> Have you ever happened across a photo of a bike that makes your blood
> >> > boil
> >> > >> in a good way?
>
> >> > >> One that makes you want to build one just like it and ride it around 
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> world...for the rest of your life.
>
> >> > >> I stumbled on this one in the flickriver and it has my Hilsen on the
> >> > verge
> >> > >> of being sold off for an Atlantis.
>
> >> > >> Hopefully this is someone here so they know I think this is one of the
> >> > >> best Rivendells I've laid eyes on.
>
> >> > >> Rivendell Atlantis
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[RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[William]

OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in 
today's blog post, Jan *does* debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft" 
with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get 
more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame 
in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break 
it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial 
for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling 
community in general.

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ 


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Re: [RBW] Re: So jinx has me wondering--Homer Hilsen for Bombadil?

[Mark Fredrickson]

>
>
> It's now discontinued by Burley, it seems, but it's still by far the best 
> of it's kind, in my opinion.  You can still find them online for ~$350. 
>  When it's time to sell mine, I expect to have no difficulty getting ~$275. 
>  The resale value on these things is spectacular.  
>

I was under the impression Burley was making them again. A quick Google 
search shows a current page on the Burley site and plenty of online 
retailers claim to have stock.

-M

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[RBW] Re: Just got a Soma San Marcos

[Marc Irwin]

How does that bike feel?  The geometry is very similar to the
Hunqaillar,I'm wondering if the San Marcos is more like a light road
or cross bike.  I would think so with the Tange Prestige tubing.

Marc


On Mar 13, 9:56 am, PatKendall  wrote:
> I am delighted to say that I just purchased my first Rivendell
> bicycle. Dick Denning and his father, Dick Senior, with the Country
> Bike Shop, Celina, Ohio, met me part way (I live in Memphis,
> Tennessee) to deliver the bike. Photos here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51857171@N04/sets/72157629209094990/
>
> The entire process has been great. Dick was on top of things from
> beginning to end--even though I threw him a curve by switching my
> frame choice in the middle of things. My wife, who joined me for the
> pickup and fitting, was amazed at Dick's enthusiasm and expertise. (I
> was also, although my calls and emails had prepared me for our
> meeting.) Dick and his dad were great. I can't recommend them highly
> enough. (No, I don't own stock in the company.)  :-)
>
> I've only had one ride so far--about 35 miles. Can't wait to get back
> on the bike. More later. I just wanted to get this post and photos up.

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[RBW] Re: Bike lust.

[Michael_S]

It's funny but the two bikes you picked, the dark green Atlantis and the 
Orange all rounder have both been on my favorites list for along time... 

~mike

On Monday, March 12, 2012 12:48:32 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> Have you ever happened across a photo of a bike that makes your blood boil 
> in a good way?
>
> One that makes you want to build one just like it and ride it around the 
> world...for the rest of your life.
>
> I stumbled on this one in the flickriver and it has my Hilsen on the verge 
> of being sold off for an Atlantis.
>
> Hopefully this is someone here so they know I think this is one of the 
> best Rivendells I've laid eyes on.
>
> Rivendell 
> Atlantis
>

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[RBW] Re: Belated introduction

[Smitty]

Hi Steve, A belated welcome to the world of car-free Riv-ness. I'm car-free 
too but I ride a cargo bike most of the time. The Riv is my "sports car" 
that doesn't get driven as much as it should. Yer Sam's a beauty. The cream 
fenders go great with the green. I think you should get out and take those 
Monterey Bay Bike Trail pics this weekend. If nothing else it'll remind 
those of us west of the Cascades what sunny and warm looks like.

--Smitty 


On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:12:32 PM UTC-7, Steve wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone!
> In October of last year I was lucky enough to purchase my very own Sam 
> Hillborne. I sold my cross-check (too small 56cm for a 6' tall guy) and 
> car, and I have not regretted my decision one bit. Every day I arrive at my 
> destination with a huge grin on my face because every ride is so pleasant. 
> I was afraid of getting such a large 60cm frame at first, but it turns out 
> to be just fine. I finally managed to get some photos up on flickr so 
> enjoy. Hopefully I'll get some better pics of Sam and I cruising along the 
> Monterey Bay coastal bike trail soon.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76132654@N02/6983971041/
>
> Steven, Monterey CA
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Sized Gunnar Sport FS in Denver

[Ryan Ray]

Well. I have close up shots and the paint and parts are very scratched and 
dinged. I'm glad I ride with fenders. I was thinking I could buy it, strip 
the parts and sell them and have a very inexpensive frame but in Seattle I 
would need to get it powder coated. It's that bad. 

It's still a great deal but not with shipping. Someone in Denver will be 
very happy with it.

- Ryan

P.S. Brifters just seem like such a bad idea. They are so expensive and get 
so beat up so easily.






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> You decide on the giving it away route, be sure to drop me a line!
>
> On 3/14/12, eflayer  wrote:
> > i still have a 60 cm for sale. unfortunately, i am not giving mine awya:
> >
> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2901779451.html
> > On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:15:29 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/2901190469.html
> >>
> >> No affiliation w/ seller/have never seen the bike, I just like the 
> Gunnar
> >> Sports a LOT and this is a really well priced one in a size that's hard 
> to
> >>
> >> find. If it was a 60cm it would be mine right now!!! The Sports are 
> pretty
> >>
> >> darn close to Rambouillet/Romulus but w/ threadless and tig welded. Good
> >> stuff!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Sized Gunnar Sport FS in Denver

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

It was a worthy attempt! 

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:58:00 AM UTC-7, HappyCamper wrote:
>
> Well. I have close up shots and the paint and parts are very scratched and 
> dinged. I'm glad I ride with fenders. I was thinking I could buy it, strip 
> the parts and sell them and have a very inexpensive frame but in Seattle I 
> would need to get it powder coated. It's that bad. 
>
> It's still a great deal but not with shipping. Someone in Denver will be 
> very happy with it.
>
> - Ryan
>
> P.S. Brifters just seem like such a bad idea. They are so expensive and 
> get so beat up so easily.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:41:11 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> You decide on the giving it away route, be sure to drop me a line!
>>
>> On 3/14/12, eflayer  wrote:
>> > i still have a 60 cm for sale. unfortunately, i am not giving mine awya:
>> >
>> > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2901779451.html
>> > On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:15:29 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/2901190469.html
>> >>
>> >> No affiliation w/ seller/have never seen the bike, I just like the 
>> Gunnar
>> >> Sports a LOT and this is a really well priced one in a size that's 
>> hard to
>> >>
>> >> find. If it was a 60cm it would be mine right now!!! The Sports are 
>> pretty
>> >>
>> >> darn close to Rambouillet/Romulus but w/ threadless and tig welded. 
>> Good
>> >> stuff!
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike lust.

[Bertin753]

Codswollop! Everyone wants a trike!

Patrick Moore
iPhone

On Mar 15, 2012, at 11:05 AM, dougP  wrote:

> Patrick:
> 
> Hopefully you'll take this in good humor, but the answer to your
> question "Anyone want to trade a trike for an Atlantis???" is the Olde
> English retort "Not bloody likely!"
> 
> dougP
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 7:33 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>> Tim - Just saw this; thanks. How does the Atlantis look for fenders
>> with the 60s? What are the actual measurements between the fork legs
>> and stays at max tire width?
>> 
>> Anyone want to trade a trike for an Atlantis???
>> 
>> Used the Fargo with 35 mm Kojaks to go to Presanctified (ie, reserved
>> Eucharist) liturgy last night -- 21 m rt including stop at PO -- as,
>> with my middle finger knuckle sprained, I can't reliably operate the
>> single right hand brake lever on the Riv with lights. The Fargo
>> handles decently with that wheelset, but it is nothing like the magic
>> of the Rivs.
>> 
>> Tangent #2: Cyo R: I done heerd tell that these don't cast a beam far
>> enough for'ard for anything but ambling. I have one on the Fargo and
>> simply aim it high enough to barely catch stop signs a block away: the
>> beam is fine, in fact quite good: long and broad and wider and more
>> squared off than that of the regular Cyo. I chose the R for the Fargo
>> thinking its beam might be better on dirt -- which I think is the
>> case. Not sure I don't prefer the R to the regular.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>> On Mar 14, 5:19 pm, Tim Whalen  wrote:
 Patrick,
>> 
 All I know is the Atlantis.  I've got 60mm Big Apples on my 58 right now
 with plenty of clearance and I've run fairly knobby 2.2s or so.  I can look
 in the am for clearance details with the BAs if you like.  I think you
 would love the Atlantis for everything you do.
 Regards,
 Tim
>> 
 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:23 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> So, ye of multiple Riv fat tire bike knowledge: compare ye the Hunq,
> the Bomb and the Atl and describe the ride differences on- and
> off-road in excruciating and unmitigated detail.
>> 
> I see that the Bomb takes 60s with room to spare and that the Atl don't;
> Hunq?
>> 
> Would love to have a Riv to replace the Fargo -- wld even forgo (he
> he) disk brakes -- but no g-d double tts!!
>> 
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Steve  wrote:
>> Personally, I think the Hunqapillar has replaced the Atlantis as my
> ultimate
>> goal. I don't know exactly why, maybe it's that extra bit of ruggedness +
>> the Diagatube.
>> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/5043949624/in/pool-1358127@...
>> 
>> I know how you feel.
>> 
>> On Monday, March 12, 2012 12:48:32 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you ever happened across a photo of a bike that makes your blood
> boil
>>> in a good way?
>> 
>>> One that makes you want to build one just like it and ride it around the
>>> world...for the rest of your life.
>> 
>>> I stumbled on this one in the flickriver and it has my Hilsen on the
> verge
>>> of being sold off for an Atlantis.
>> 
>>> Hopefully this is someone here so they know I think this is one of the
>>> best Rivendells I've laid eyes on.
>> 
>>> Rivendell Atlantis
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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Phil Bickford]

A little late here but, I gotta say;

The Green Jack Browns are the ticket.  I've ridden Pasela Tour guards
for years, and the Browns felt like a breath of fresh air. IME they
can be run softer than the TGs without the squirmies that Aaron
alludes to.

I bought two pairs when they came out and three of the four are still
rideable.  I did add the Panaracer kevlar tire liners when new.
Definitely got my money's worth.

Another one to consider are the Grand Bois 700x30 Cypres, though that
might be too skinny for this bunch.

Phil B

On Mar 14, 11:29 pm, Steve  wrote:
> I've ridden Jack Brown Blues about 6 days/week for around a year with only
> one flat... a one mm wide wire manage bend around the tread and puncture
> the sidewall. This bike is my work horse so I'd say they're pretty good
> tires. I don't have experience with the others but these are fun, cushy,
> durable and fast.
>
> Steven
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:20:35 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
>
> > I am interested in some reviews or insight about Jack Brown tires.  I
> > have plenty of experience with high volume 650b tires and not as much
> > first hand knowledge about plumper 700c tires.  I ride 700x28 Paselas
> > (both TG and non) on a regular basis.  Are Jack Browns a better ride
> > and/or long life than the 32 or 35mm Paselas?  Are there other tires
> > that one should consider?  Kojacks? GB Cypress?
>
> > Thanks
> > JL

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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[robert zeidler]

If that were the case then steel leaf springs would always return to
their original shape even after years of use.  If Jan were able to to
a before and after laser check of his 120,000 mile frame, he might be
surprised.

RGZ

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM, William  wrote:
> OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in
> today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft"
> with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get more
> flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame in
> terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break it
> with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial for
> many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling
> community in general.
>
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/
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[RBW] Re: new Bombadil clearance

[jinxed]

>
> WOW. That is a spectacular Bombadil!! And boy, they DID open it up a lot!


Congrats on a stellar machine.

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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[William]

I associate sagging leaf springs with plastic deformation and creep, not a 
reduction in Young's Modulus.  Materials Science wasn't my major, though. 
 The only studies I've seen that show Young's Modulus declining over time 
is at really high temperatures.  

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:22:37 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
>
> If that were the case then steel leaf springs would always return to
> their original shape even after years of use.  If Jan were able to to
> a before and after laser check of his 120,000 mile frame, he might be
> surprised.
>
> RGZ
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM, William  wrote:
> > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in
> > today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft"
> > with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get 
> more
> > flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame in
> > terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break it
> > with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial 
> for
> > many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling
> > community in general.
> >
> > http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/
> >
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[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Montclair BobbyB]

So this dude Young... is his Modulus a single or double TT?

My unscientific observation is that I've ridden my wife's Stumpy in
1985 and in 2012... I can't feel any difference in how the frame
flexes Still rides great.

Bobby "Materials Science NOT my bag" Birmingham

On Mar 15, 4:26 pm, William  wrote:
> I associate sagging leaf springs with plastic deformation and creep, not a
> reduction in Young's Modulus.  Materials Science wasn't my major, though.
>  The only studies I've seen that show Young's Modulus declining over time
> is at really high temperatures.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:22:37 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
>
> > If that were the case then steel leaf springs would always return to
> > their original shape even after years of use.  If Jan were able to to
> > a before and after laser check of his 120,000 mile frame, he might be
> > surprised.
>
> > RGZ
>
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM, William  wrote:
> > > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in
> > > today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft"
> > > with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get
> > more
> > > flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame in
> > > terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break it
> > > with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial
> > for
> > > many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling
> > > community in general.
>
> > >http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/
>
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[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Jim]

Well, materials science WAS my major, and Jan is right on the bean in my 
opinion.  I have some bike experience to back it up as well, as my pre-riv 
bike was a fillet-brazed Schwinn that I bought new in 1971, and still have 
today.  No difference in the ride that i can see.  The one way a frame 
COULD get flexier, is if you get a fatigue crack growing in a highly 
stressed joint, that will increase compliance and ultimately fail 
completely.  So, if you ever do seem to think your bike isn't as stiff as 
you remember, better do a thorough check of the frame.

The issue with leaf springs is that they operate very close to (and 
sometimes a bit past) the yield strength of the material, and over time and 
a few potholes you can permanently deform them.  Steel bicycle frames don't 
operate anywhere near yield.

Jim in Boulder

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:25:53 AM UTC-6, William wrote:
>
> OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in 
> today's blog post, Jan *does* debunk the notion that steel frames "go 
> soft" with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it 
> get more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel 
> frame in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might 
> break it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and 
> uncontroversial for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular 
> notion in the cycling community in general.
>
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[newenglandbike]

Well, one might not be able to ride one's bombadil forever, but certainly 
someone or other will be able to ride it forever.   It's a bike for 
multiple geological ages, let alone lifetimes :)

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:25:53 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
>
> OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in 
> today's blog post, Jan *does* debunk the notion that steel frames "go 
> soft" with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it 
> get more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel 
> frame in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might 
> break it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and 
> uncontroversial for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular 
> notion in the cycling community in general.
>
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Bleriot Love

[Lynne Fitz]

First, the setting...

I commute by bike.  Commute bike is Bleriot, all done up with S&S
couplers, generator hub/light, Honjo fenders, sweet new Racktime rack,
little front rack, panniers...

I work at (but not FOR) Nike; my desk is in a building a long block
off the main campus, about 1.5 miles from where I need to be to meet
with my usability session participants.  Clearly, I just ride over.
Even if I didn't have my bike, Nike has a fleet of bicycles just for
the purpose of moving one's self around.  Bike parking is dead easy -
anywhere you want, as long as it is not in the way.  I take my bike
everywhere I go, and NEVER have to lock it up.

Today - usability session in the Mia Hamm building.  Bike is parked
along the outside window wall; I'm a few cubicles away.  Toward the
end of the session, some random stranger pokes his head in "Is
that your bike?  Wow!".

:-)

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[RBW] WTT - Black Swift Titanium for B17 titanium?

[Gary]

Hi All,

I've got an excellent condition black titanium swift and am looking to 
trade it for a similar condition black or brown B17 titanium. If anyone's 
interested please let me know!

Thanks,
gary

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[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[dougP]

Popping a fresh set of wheels onto an old bike can re-juvenate that
new bike "snap" that Jan mentions.  I'm not worried about wearing out
my Atlantis in this lifetime.

dougP

On Mar 15, 4:28 pm, newenglandbike  wrote:
> Well, one might not be able to ride one's bombadil forever, but certainly
> someone or other will be able to ride it forever.   It's a bike for
> multiple geological ages, let alone lifetimes :)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:25:53 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
>
> > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in
> > today's blog post, Jan *does* debunk the notion that steel frames "go
> > soft" with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it
> > get more flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel
> > frame in terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might
> > break it with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and
> > uncontroversial for many of us, but definitely counter to the popular
> > notion in the cycling community in general.
>
> >http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/- Hide quoted 
> >text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Leslie]

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:05:41 PM UTC-4, Jim wrote:
>
> Well, materials science WAS my major, and Jan is right on the bean in my 
> opinion.  I have some bike experience to back it up as well, as my pre-riv 
> bike was a fillet-brazed Schwinn that I bought new in 1971, and still have 
> today.  No difference in the ride that i can see.  The one way a frame 
> COULD get flexier, is if you get a fatigue crack growing in a highly 
> stressed joint, that will increase compliance and ultimately fail 
> completely.  So, if you ever do seem to think your bike isn't as stiff as 
> you remember, better do a thorough check of the frame.
>
> The issue with leaf springs is that they operate very close to (and 
> sometimes a bit past) the yield strength of the material, and over time and 
> a few potholes you can permanently deform them.  Steel bicycle frames don't 
> operate anywhere near yield.
>
> Jim in Boulder
>


Not in 'materials science', but grad work in structural geology, and 
engineering geology, a lot of what we dealt with was in rock deformation 
(albeit not metal), stress versus strain, plastic deformation versus 
elastic deformation, tensile strength, etc.; my father was the one who was 
the machinist (and, aside from bicycles, another hobby of mine is dealing 
w/ rebuilding old Rovers, which involves working over sheet aluminum, 
annealing it, etc.), and also taught me a lot.  

With steel, there's an amount that you can bend it, within the elastic 
range, where it'll snap back.  It can do this repeatedly, over and over.   
It's when you pass that point, into plastic deformation, that it won't 
recover.   Aluminum, moves from elastic to plastic with much less movement; 
it's more 'brittle', or, sometimes described as fatigue.  Steel, if you 
don't take it into the plastic range, just keep it within the elastic zone, 
and it'll remain flexible, and pretty much unphased.  

Steel tubing is designed to prevent the plastic deformation.  Chromoly is 
alloyed to improve the modulus of elasticity, which would be into Jim's 
field.

Anywho...   if it's a good steel alloy, without any manufacturing defects, 
competently formed into appropriate tubing, skillfully assembled into a 
frame, and is painted/protected from corrosion, not neglected or left out 
in the rain for years on end, doesn't suffer any accidents that dent the 
tubing, well, it should be just fine 

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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[jimD]

Hah!
-JImD
On Mar 15, 2012, at 4:28 PM, newenglandbike wrote:

> Well, one might not be able to ride one's bombadil forever, but certainly 
> someone or other will be able to ride it forever.   It's a bike for multiple 
> geological ages, let alone lifetimes :)

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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Leslie]

On Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:57:49 PM UTC-4, JimD wrote:
>
> Hah!
> -JImD
> On Mar 15, 2012, at 4:28 PM, newenglandbike wrote:
>
> Well, one might not be able to ride one's bombadil forever, but certainly 
> someone or other will be able to ride it forever.   It's a bike for 
> multiple geological ages, let alone lifetimes :)
>
>
> Double Ha!! 

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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[Darin G.]

I guess both color and size,...but the consensus seems to be that the 
longboards will work and I"m planning on running with the silvers.  Other 
choice are the Planet Bike Cascadias I have on my Sam, but I think I'll 
keep them there as I re-build that bike.

I'm going to be commuting and touring on the Atlantis.

D.G.

On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> longboards on her green LHT and they seem to provide adequate coverage with 
> the stock Conti 37s.
>
> Pics with your suggestions always appreciated.
>
> D.G.
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:03:53 PM UTC-6, Darin G. wrote:
>
> My build is basically set with the parts currently on my Sam (with the 
> exception of the Phil Wood BB) and is typical Riv:  Sugino cranks, Nitto 
> Noodles, Nitto Big Rack rear, Mini-Front, Brooks B17, etc.  I plan on 
> running the 700 X 42 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes on Mavic A719s.  S, my 
> question for the group is Am I Making A Decision I Will Regret Forever if I 
> run the silver 45 Longboard Fenders on this baby?  My wife has the cream 
> 

Re: [RBW] Bleriot Love

[Calvin Mukumoto]

I've seen Lynne's bike and I say wow!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> First, the setting...
> 
> I commute by bike.  Commute bike is Bleriot, all done up with S&S
> couplers, generator hub/light, Honjo fenders, sweet new Racktime rack,
> little front rack, panniers...
> 
> I work at (but not FOR) Nike; my desk is in a building a long block
> off the main campus, about 1.5 miles from where I need to be to meet
> with my usability session participants.  Clearly, I just ride over.
> Even if I didn't have my bike, Nike has a fleet of bicycles just for
> the purpose of moving one's self around.  Bike parking is dead easy -
> anywhere you want, as long as it is not in the way.  I take my bike
> everywhere I go, and NEVER have to lock it up.
> 
> Today - usability session in the Mia Hamm building.  Bike is parked
> along the outside window wall; I'm a few cubicles away.  Toward the
> end of the session, some random stranger pokes his head in "Is
> that your bike?  Wow!".
> 
> :-)
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Re: [RBW] Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Tim McNamara]

On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:25 PM, William wrote:
> 
> OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in 
> today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft" 
> with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get more 
> flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame in 
> terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break it 
> with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial for 
> many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling 
> community in general.
> 
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/ 


Is this still a popular notion in the cycling community?  I haven't heard 
anyone claim this in years, having been debunked many times already.

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[RBW] Re: Jan Heine says I can ride my Bombadil forever!

[Hiawatha Cyclery]

"Creep" can be a cause of plastic deformation, but it tends to make
materials stiffer through a mechanism called "dislocation pile-up". If
that is happening in a steel frame, it should become stiffer over
time, not flexier. Of course, if there are micro-cracks, then material
strength is less relevant, as the cracks can make the frame seem
flexy.

On Mar 15, 3:26 pm, William  wrote:
> I associate sagging leaf springs with plastic deformation and creep, not a
> reduction in Young's Modulus.  Materials Science wasn't my major, though.
>  The only studies I've seen that show Young's Modulus declining over time
> is at really high temperatures.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:22:37 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
>
> > If that were the case then steel leaf springs would always return to
> > their original shape even after years of use.  If Jan were able to to
> > a before and after laser check of his 120,000 mile frame, he might be
> > surprised.
>
> > RGZ
>
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM, William  wrote:
> > > OK, that's not a direct quote.  He didn't say that specifically, but in
> > > today's blog post, Jan does debunk the notion that steel frames "go soft"
> > > with use.  They don't.  You can't break in a steel bike and make it get
> > more
> > > flexible for comfort and planing, and you can't wear out a steel frame in
> > > terms of stiffness.  It doesn't get flexier with use.  You might break it
> > > with use, but you won't make it flexier.  Good read and uncontroversial
> > for
> > > many of us, but definitely counter to the popular notion in the cycling
> > > community in general.
>
> > >http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/frames-going-soft/
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[RBW] 650b tires on the bay...lots for little it seems.

[murphyjrfk]

not my ad. but i noticed it and it seems like a great deal for the 650b 
crowd. all 3 sets for that price!
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-pairs-of-650b-tires-Schwalbe-fatty-middy-Nifty-Swifty-Panaracer-/330702405513?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cff663f89
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[RBW] Re: My Atlantis Frame is Shipping!

[Kelly]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/6517875549/in/set-72157628434893689

700x40's w/ longboards on 61cm Atlantis

Kelly

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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns vs. Pasela vs. ??

[Mojo]

I haven't tried Kojaks. Must resist the urge to add another tire to my pile.
I have been riding the JB Greens and love them. If they are slow they don't 
seem to bother ex-world class racers
http://www.bikeradar.com/gallery/article/pro-bike-andy-hampstens-cycles-strada-bianca-ti-16577?img=1&pn=pro-bike-andy-hampstens-cycles-strada-bianca-ti&mlc=news%2Farticle
 
I took my JB Green shod Legolas out for a flattish 40 miler to sunset this 
evening. It was a great ride and the tires were pure pleasure on chip seal 
and bumps.
Here is a picture of the Legolas from last spring 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/set-72157607471577085/
I decided on this ride this would be the bike for the Ride the Rockies in 
early June, subject change of course. :) 
I thought I would add some cream Longboards for the showers that occur 
nearly every year.

On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:20:35 PM UTC-6, JL wrote:

> Hello All, 
>
> I am interested in some reviews or insight about Jack Brown tires.  I 
> have plenty of experience with high volume 650b tires and not as much 
> first hand knowledge about plumper 700c tires.  I ride 700x28 Paselas 
> (both TG and non) on a regular basis.  Are Jack Browns a better ride 
> and/or long life than the 32 or 35mm Paselas?  Are there other tires 
> that one should consider?  Kojacks? GB Cypress? 
>
> Thanks 
> JL

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