date:20120503

Bike fitting is a sum of imperfect compromises. Contrary to popular belief, 
there is no perfect frame size. But not to worry: stems and seatposts are 
adjustable. You may run afoul of the fashion police if your seatpost sticks out 
1.7 cm farther than some old French guy's seatpost stuck out in 1932, but that 
is a compromise you may (or may not) be willing to make.

We're all between sizes of stock frames, and the human body is plenty flexible 
to accommodate a cm or two either way. Riv knows this, of course, which is why 
they can confidently suggest a frame size over the phone. If you REALLY trust 
Riv and are willing to shed whatever preconceived notions you have, the frame 
will magically be the right size. If you can't shed preconceived notions, and 
Riv suggests a different size, you may always be conflicted about whether you 
made the right choice. The archives of this list are full of such stories. 
Usually Riv comes out as the frame-sizing genius when there's a dispute, but 
there may be some sampling bias, given the understandable Pro-Riv nature of 
this list.

That's a long way of saying: it doesn't matter that much. Get the bike in 
either size, raise the seatpost appropriately, maybe experiment with a stem or 
two, and then just ride.

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread newenglandbike

I would follow Rivs advice.   FWIW I think top-tube crotch clearance fears 
are unfounded.I know many disagree.I ride bikes with ~2cm top-tube 
standover clearance in the woods and never have a problem even with 
frequent foot-downs or sudden dismounts.   Most of my riding growing up was 
BMX, and other than that kind of riding which is totally different, I've 
never had both my feet blow off the pedals and my butt fall off the saddle 
all at the same time, nailing my crotch-but if that were to happen, I'd 
rather a shorter drop to the top tube than a longer one wherein gravity has 
more time to do its acceleration thing.   Also, sounds stupid but I like 
resting my leg on the top-tube when stopped, and when riding bikes with 
compact/expanding geometry I kind of miss that. 6', ~89cm pbh, and have 
always ridden 62-64cm frames.  Also have a 65cm touring/workhorse rig that 
is amazing for long distances.

-Matt

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:28:55 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Hello All, 

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you? 

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should 
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut 
 (smaller). 

 What's your advice?

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Re: [RBW] Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Bruce Herbitter

I dealt with Keven and sm very happy with the dize he suggested. At 9,000 mi 
ridden, there has been ample time to evaluate.

Sent from my Kindle Fire



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Hello All,

When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
(smaller).

What's your advice?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Apple vs. Supreme

Odd, I've always found the Supremes to be surprisingly noisy. It doesn't bother 
me, as they are wonderful tires. I believe they last longer in proportion to 
cost. My buddy Weasel got almost 9000 loaded commuting miles on the rear! His 
front tire, also after 9000 miles, looked almost new.

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[RBW] Re: Big Apple vs. Supreme

2012-05-03 Thread Mike

I say go with 50mm Duremes. After all, these are going on a Bombadil.

--mike

On May 2, 5:29 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote:
 Need a new set of tires for the Bombadil, and considering Big Apples or
 Supremes. I noticed Riv has both in 700 x 50, and wondered if anyone here
 has either/or. Opinions aside from cost? Thanks!

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread clyde canter

 I can remember going into a bike shop in my youth (dark ages).  The
owner's sizing method was simple.  According to him if  you were going to
race get the smallest frame you can attain the proper saddle ht. with. I
don't remember any seatposts back then being 350-400 mm long either.   If
you're not going to race get the largest  frame you can straddle wearing
the shoes you ride in without saying ouch.  Made sense then and now.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote:

 I would follow Rivs advice.   FWIW I think top-tube crotch clearance fears
 are unfounded.I know many disagree.I ride bikes with ~2cm top-tube
 standover clearance in the woods and never have a problem even with
 frequent foot-downs or sudden dismounts.   Most of my riding growing up was
 BMX, and other than that kind of riding which is totally different, I've
 never had both my feet blow off the pedals and my butt fall off the saddle
 all at the same time, nailing my crotch-but if that were to happen, I'd
 rather a shorter drop to the top tube than a longer one wherein gravity has
 more time to do its acceleration thing.   Also, sounds stupid but I like
 resting my leg on the top-tube when stopped, and when riding bikes with
 compact/expanding geometry I kind of miss that. 6', ~89cm pbh, and have
 always ridden 62-64cm frames.  Also have a 65cm touring/workhorse rig that
 is amazing for long distances.

 -Matt


 On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:28:55 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Hello All,

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
 (smaller).

 What's your advice?

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[RBW] Saddles Sold

2012-05-03 Thread Eric Norris

Both the Avocet and Selle San Marco are on their way to new homes. Thanks to 
everyone for your interest.

--Eric N

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread clyde canter

This was pre-MTB era of course.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.comwrote:

  I can remember going into a bike shop in my youth (dark ages).  The
 owner's sizing method was simple.  According to him if  you were going to
 race get the smallest frame you can attain the proper saddle ht. with. I
 don't remember any seatposts back then being 350-400 mm long either.   If
 you're not going to race get the largest  frame you can straddle wearing
 the shoes you ride in without saying ouch.  Made sense then and now.

 On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:59 AM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.comwrote:

 I would follow Rivs advice.   FWIW I think top-tube crotch clearance
 fears are unfounded.I know many disagree.I ride bikes with ~2cm
 top-tube standover clearance in the woods and never have a problem even
 with frequent foot-downs or sudden dismounts.   Most of my riding growing
 up was BMX, and other than that kind of riding which is totally different,
 I've never had both my feet blow off the pedals and my butt fall off the
 saddle all at the same time, nailing my crotch-but if that were to
 happen, I'd rather a shorter drop to the top tube than a longer one wherein
 gravity has more time to do its acceleration thing.   Also, sounds stupid
 but I like resting my leg on the top-tube when stopped, and when riding
 bikes with compact/expanding geometry I kind of miss that. 6', ~89cm
 pbh, and have always ridden 62-64cm frames.  Also have a 65cm
 touring/workhorse rig that is amazing for long distances.

 -Matt


 On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:28:55 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Hello All,

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
 (smaller).

 What's your advice?

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[RBW] Baby Brother Ride Photos

2012-05-03 Thread Amit Singh

Went out on a ride with my baby brother last night after installing
Nitto Noodle drop-bars on his Kogswell.

Had a great time, he said it's more fun riding with me than his friend
who is a girl because I'm a fast rider and he doesn't have to keep
stopping to turn around and wait.  It made me laugh out loud. I told
him Dad's a great rider and fast-ish too, and that he should try going
out with him sometime.

The sunset was the highlight of the ride, magnificent to see.

A few photos from our ride:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991212826/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991214754/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991330338/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991336986/in/photostream/

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Zack

Just to chime in -

I have a pbh of 93.5, and am SO glad that I went with Keven's suggestion of 
the 64 Sam.  I would have thought I was on the 60 for sure.  Having a bike 
that fits me is a revelation.

Go with what they say, they know their bikes.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:28:55 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Hello All, 

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you? 

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should 
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut 
 (smaller). 

 What's your advice?

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[RBW] Re: Baby Brother Ride Photos

2012-05-03 Thread Amit Singh

I think it's interesting what the silhouette of the third photo
reveals in the fork differences between both bicycles.  I'm sure
there's lots to see in differences of the frame geometries but my
ignorant eye can't see very much here.

On May 3, 11:57 am, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Went out on a ride with my baby brother last night after installing
 Nitto Noodle drop-bars on his Kogswell.

 Had a great time, he said it's more fun riding with me than his friend
 who is a girl because I'm a fast rider and he doesn't have to keep
 stopping to turn around and wait.  It made me laugh out loud. I told
 him Dad's a great rider and fast-ish too, and that he should try going
 out with him sometime.

 The sunset was the highlight of the ride, magnificent to see.

 A few photos from our ride:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991212826/in/photostream/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991214754/in/photostream/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991330338/in/photostream/

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/6991336986/in/photostream/

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

The only caveat I can think of is that their sizing method can be thrown 
off by short torso/short arms. Probably only applies to a small percentage 
of the male population, but females need to take that into account. People 
w/ short upper body/arms can have a problem getting the bars close enough. 
Doesn't really matter with Albatross type bars, but with drops you can only 
have so short of a stem.

On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:28:55 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Hello All, 

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you? 

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should 
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut 
 (smaller). 

 What's your advice?

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[RBW] WTB Brooks B-72

2012-05-03 Thread Phil Bickford

I'm looking for this particular model, which is as wide as a 67 or 68,
but has an older sprung double rail arrangement.

Got one you want to part with?  Will pay up to $70 for one in good
condition.

Phil B

Please reply OFF List.

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Lynne Fitz

I have a 51cm Bleriot - standover is perfect.  Reach... not so much.
I can't ride it over a century without getting real neck and shoulder
issues.  I have the shortest stem possible. :-)

That said, it is the best commuter/local utility bike ever.  But when
I start a commute on Monday after riding one of my other bikes, the
handlebars feel like they are in the next county.

YMMV,
Lynne F

On May 3, 9:34 am, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com
wrote:
 The only caveat I can think of is that their sizing method can be thrown
 off by short torso/short arms. Probably only applies to a small percentage
 of the male population, but females need to take that into account. People
 w/ short upper body/arms can have a problem getting the bars close enough.
 Doesn't really matter with Albatross type bars, but with drops you can only
 have so short of a stem.







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  Hello All,

  When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

  I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
  go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
  (smaller).

  What's your advice?

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Re: [RBW] Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Horace

Riv's sizing charts assume that you'll want your handlebars near or
above saddle height. If you're between sizes, and you prefer your bars
a lot lower than the saddle, choose the smaller size.


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 Hello All,

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

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[RBW] Re: Big Apple vs. Supreme

2012-05-03 Thread Minh

Man, this discussion is making it really hard to resist hitting order on a 
pair of supremes!  i keep telling myself the tires on the bike currently 
are working perfectly fine, but so hard to resist

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RE: [RBW] Upcoming Hunqa

I have Woody's fenders on 3 bikes -- my Quickbeam, my SimpleOne, and an early 
'80s Fuji MTB that's set up as a winter/rain bike (IGH and drum brakes).  
Bottom line: in the right application and climate, they're great.

I used flat Woody's first on the QB, because flat wooden fenders are very easy 
to pull back (toward the rear of the long axis), enabling easy removal of the 
rear tire for gear changes (which I never do) and tire repairs (which are 
blessedly rare).  With flaps, they are satisfactory for spray protection, but I 
wouldn't pick that bike if I knew I was heading into a downpour.  But they're 
beautifully made and beautiful, with attractive hardware included; my QB set 
has an inlay stripe that matches the bike color, which is either nice or 
nauseating, depending on your own particular tolerance for bike matchy-matchy.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4411487711/in/set-72157623567913352/

On the SimpleOne, I just recently installed Woody's newer compound curve wooden 
fenders, and the early returns on spray protection (again, with flaps) are that 
they're materially better than the flat fenders.  The profile underneath the 
compound curve fenders is similar to the relatively flat curve under the wider 
sizes of  Berthoud SS fenders, but not as wraparound as Honjos I have on other 
bikes.  I haven't ridden these through a true downpour yet, but I bet they'll 
do just fine; they're very good in light if steady rain.  One caveat, shown by 
the second pic below: the rear fender is a little short, so although it's fine 
with a flap for rider protection from spray, I wonder whether it would 
effectively keep spray off following riders.

No rain experience with them on the Fuji.

Pics of Quickbeam fenders:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4412267966/in/set-72157623567913352  
(you can see rear stays are left long so fender can be stretched out to remove 
wheel)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/607402/in/set-72157623567913352 
(side benefit of flat profile fenders is they shed debris more readily, so 
tight fender line is fine)

Pics of SimpleOne with newer compound curve fenders:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6905323995/in/set-72157629391118347 
(showing compound curve and tasty wood grain)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107683035/in/set-72157629391118347/  
(showing fenderline and clearance)

Oh, and they're extremely easy to install, and very durable.







From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Hanson
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:28 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: [RBW] Upcoming Hunqa

I lost it and bit at one of the last 54c gray/bean Hunqapillars.  It should be 
arriving next week, and I'm starting to think about the build.  I will be using 
it to complement my rando A. Homer H. for S24O and commute duty.  As I live in 
a wet climate, fenders are a year-round necessity.  The pics of the DevilBunny 
bike (http://flic.kr/p/8JjZqY) make me happy, and I'm very interested in some 
color matched wood fenders.  Does anyone have experience with the Woodies?  
http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/  How about Anderson out of Bellingham?  
http://creativeopenings.com/CO_Fenders/woodfenders.htm

Help!

Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread reynoldslugs

There sizing is spot-on.  Drink the kool-aid.

I have, I think, 8 Rivendell bikes.  When I discovered Rivendell in
1998, I was confident I knew more about frame sizing than they did - -
but soon learned the error of my old havits.  The first frame I got
was a Heron.  Grant suggested a larger size, 62 or 63, and I chose the
smaller... and soon concluded I should have gone with his
recommendation.
Of my 8 frames, I followed Riv's sizing advice on all but one... and
have concluded that I should have followed their advice on that one,
too.

RL

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Calm54

Mine was perfect, but Mark tweaked some things when I went in which
improved the ride.  Thanks goes to Dave and Mark!

On May 1, 11:28 pm, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
 (smaller).

 What's your advice?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Bill

You should really be asking yourself what would the ideal size be for you, 
and then find the bike.  If it has to be a Riv bike, then spend the money 
and get the one that best fits, and not the cheapest one that barely does 
the job.  Sure, Riv will sell you either a 56 or 60 Sam and tell you it 
will be fine, but then why do they offer the Homer in 1cm increments for 
sizes from 54 to 59?  Size matters.

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 8:43:52 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:


 And there have been plenty of Riv frames sold because people found the 
 frames to be too large, too.  I think in many cases the problem arises 
 from the 2 cm step in sizing between frames.  There's a LOT of 
 difference between a 58 and a 60 cm frame, and if you really need a 59 
 then you have to choose between too small and too large. 




On Thursday, May 3, 2012 8:43:52 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 05:32 -0700, tdusky wrote: 
  I got a custom 63cm Long Low 11 years ago from Rivendell built for 
  someone else, that fit perfect. 4 years ago I bought an Atlantis, they 
  only come in 61 and 63. I spoke with 2 people at Rivendell including 
  Grant and they both suggested I go with the 61. Well the bike always 
  felt small and crowded.  I found some to trade with last year, so now 
  I have the 64. I am really surprised how much better I like the the 
  64, it even feels faster. So the folks at Rivendell aren't always 
  right, sometimes they suggest too small of a bike. 

 And there have been plenty of Riv frames sold because people found the 
 frames to be too large, too.  I think in many cases the problem arises 
 from the 2 cm step in sizing between frames.  There's a LOT of 
 difference between a 58 and a 60 cm frame, and if you really need a 59 
 then you have to choose between too small and too large. 





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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread CCX

I would listen to Rivendell.  I made the mistake of getting my first 
Rivendell on the small side against their recommendation.  A couple of 
years later I ordered the larger frame and have been a whole lot happier 
with it.  I blame it on me having a Fit Kit certification and 10 years 
experience selling bikes to people that were in all honestly too small for 
them in retrospect.  I cringe every time I walk into a shop and see some 6 
foot bloke being fitted on a 19 inch mtn bike or a 59 cm road bike.

I am pretty sure I recall an article by Maynard Hershon stating that he to 
should have gotten a larger bike.



On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:28:55 AM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:

 Hello All, 

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you? 

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should 
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut 
 (smaller). 

 What's your advice?

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[RBW] Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

2012-05-03 Thread Jeffrey

Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find
it on the Riv site.

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[RBW] Wide profile canti brake recs

2012-05-03 Thread Norman Bone

I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the diving 
board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal (at best) 
with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they will not cut the 
mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm using the Tiagra aero 
levers that Riv sells.

That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front that 
would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have you had a 
good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are you running 
the hanger from the tire? 


Thanks-

Norm in PDX

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RE: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

I've bought 5 frames or bikes from Rivendell, and every one of them (i) is 
bigger than I would have chosen on my own, and (ii) fits perfectly.  You should 
not abandon your own judgment, but they ought to be given a lot of deference in 
the sizing of their frames and bikes -- they really do know what they're 
talking about.


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CCX
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:45 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

I would listen to Rivendell.  I made the mistake of getting my first Rivendell 
on the small side against their recommendation.  A couple of years later I 
ordered the larger frame and have been a whole lot happier with it.  I blame it 
on me having a Fit Kit certification and 10 years experience selling bikes to 
people that were in all honestly too small for them in retrospect.  I cringe 
every time I walk into a shop and see some 6 foot bloke being fitted on a 19 
inch mtn bike or a 59 cm road bike.

I am pretty sure I recall an article by Maynard Hershon stating that he to 
should have gotten a larger bike.



On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 12:28:55 AM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
Hello All,

When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
(smaller).

What's your advice?

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RE: [RBW] Wide profile canti brake recs

A few suggestions.

Paul Neo-Retro on my Quickbeam, set up by Mark at Riv (proclaimed by Grant P as 
the master of canti brake set-up).  VERY powerful, excellent modulation too.  
Tektro aero levers.  Pics of hanger height hard to come by because of rack, 
light and bag interference, but you can see it pretty well on the largest sizes 
of these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6708050587/sizes/o/in/set-72157623567913352/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6708050587/sizes/o/in/set-72157623567913352/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4412267966/sizes/o/in/set-72157623567913352/

FWIW, I used Paul Touring Cantis, which aren't as wide profile as the 
Neo-Retros, on a Quickbeam I built for my son, and although the hanger is quite 
high, the stopping power and modulation still terrific.  I think there's plenty 
of room to get a diving board under the hanger with this set-up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/5646014672/sizes/o/in/set-72157626433454817/

Love me my Paul brakes.

An alternative that's equally strong is a set of Bruce Gordon cantis.  Pic here 
on my SimpleOne:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6906527983/in/set-72157629391118347

These are also very powerful, with excellent modulation, and I think they're 
really beautiful.





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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Norman Bone
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:42 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Wide profile canti brake recs

I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the diving 
board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal (at best) 
with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they will not cut the 
mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm using the Tiagra aero 
levers that Riv sells.
That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front that 
would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have you had a 
good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are you running 
the hanger from the tire?

Thanks-

Norm in PDX

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RE: [RBW] Wide profile canti brake recs

But wouldn't a Nitto Mini Front rack work better if you're running cantis?

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Wide profile canti brake recs

I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the diving 
board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal (at best) 
with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they will not cut the 
mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm using the Tiagra aero 
levers that Riv sells.
That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front that 
would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have you had a 
good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are you running 
the hanger from the tire?

Thanks-

Norm in PDX

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[RBW] Ride video

2012-05-03 Thread carnerda...@bellsouth.net

My son recently posted a video from a ride together in March.  He is 
apologetic about the shakiness of the handheld camera, but it looks good to 
me.
I was not riding a Rivendell that day, but the Riv content should not be 
hard to spot.
http://vimeo.com/41471076
David

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Re: [RBW] Ride video

2012-05-03 Thread Dave


That looks like a perfect place to ride.  Nice job!

On 5/3/2012 12:39 PM, carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote:
My son recently posted a video from a ride together in March.  He is 
apologetic about the shakiness of the handheld camera, but it looks 
good to me.
I was not riding a Rivendell that day, but the Riv content should not 
be hard to spot.

http://vimeo.com/41471076
David
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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

2012-05-03 Thread Minh

Norm,

I'm guessing you're using the Marks because you already had one?  Tom is 
right a Nitto Mini front will give a little more clearance because it will 
dip under the straddle wire.  That being said you can make it work with the 
Marks.  I have the IRD Cafams on one bike and the Pauls on another (touring 
in back, neo-retro in front), both of those will clear either rack.  I've 
also used the Tektro CR720 and they were fine as well.  

If i had to buy brakes again i would just buy the Paul's for both bikes, i 
know they are expensive but they are really nice to look at, very easy to 
adjust (especially the spring tension), and the feel of the brakes are 
amazing, in fact the pauls with mtb brake levers feel almost as good as my 
hydraulic rim brakes!  The neo-retros are the super wide brakes and i have 
the straddle really high to clear my nitto mini front and they feel about 
the same as my touring canti on the rear of the same bike.  my only nit 
with the Pauls is that they sit farther out on the studs due to the way 
they are designed, this can be a problem with canti mounted racks.

the ird have a similiar feel, but i find them harder to adjust, but after 
adjustment they work fine.
cr720, same thing, a little difficult to adjust, but work fine for me.  

I don't know if it's because the Pauls are easier to adjust but they feel 
the best out of the three to me, though again, i think all of them stop 
fine.


On Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:41:54 AM UTC-4, Norman Bone wrote:

 I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the 
 diving board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal 
 (at best) with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they 
 will not cut the mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm 
 using the Tiagra aero levers that Riv sells.
 That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front 
 that would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have 
 you had a good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are 
 you running the hanger from the tire? 

 Thanks-

 Norm in PDX


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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Minh

While the list is not the best sample, i do notice that most requests for 
swaps are initated by someone looking to swap up to a larger size.  Both of 
my Rivs (a 56 Sam, 60cm QB) both fit fine.  i was right in the middle for 
the Sam and after owning it i think a 60cm may have worked (though the stem 
length would've been an issue).

I don't 100% agree with the statement that you are 'settling' by choosing a 
Sam over a Homer because of the jump in sizes, Grant would not be selling 
that bike if he didn't think it would work.  I feel that the Sam's just 
rely on the seatpost  stem a little bit more for adjustability and there's 
nothing wrong with that.  

Long way to say, trust Rivendell to put you on a bike that will fit, and 
don't be freaked out when you get it all put together by the size of the 
headtube or standover clearance, ride it first!  I know it might look huge. 
but part of why we love the Rivs is that they have a certain fit.  

If you're really uncertain put a call out for someone local to give you a 
test-drive, or come to one of the Riv Rallys--where most people bring Rivs 
but all are welcome!

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Joe K

It's funny.  I bought my first real bike circa 1971, the bike boom
days, and was sized rather tall (I don't remember my PBH, but stand
5'11).  It was a Raleigh sized in inches, 25 or 25 1/2.

In the eighties sometime I bought someone's used bike, also a Raleigh,
but only 23 or 23 1/2.  Can't recall my motivation for that size, but
when an old-timer I know saw me on that bike he said, that bike's too
small for you.  Nonetheless, I rode that bike more or less happily
for at least 15 years.

After that I began considering a Rivendell custom.  In addition to
sending in the Riv build questionnaire, Grant had also seen me ride in
person in the years when Riv was just getting started.  So when the
frame arrived around 2001, it was a 62 (maybe 63) with a somewhat
shorter top tube.  It fits me beautifully.  Now I wonder how I ever
rode that smaller bike and thought I was comfortable, but the human
body is remarkably adaptable.  A few years ago I also bought a beater
of similar size...it's the right size frame but will be much better
once I install a taller stem and wider bars.

Joe K

On May 3, 1:13 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:
 Riv's sizing charts assume that you'll want your handlebars near or
 above saddle height. If you're between sizes, and you prefer your bars
 a lot lower than the saddle, choose the smaller size.



 On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:28 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello All,

  When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

  I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
  go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
  (smaller).

  What's your advice?

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-03 Thread Zack

Just got my paper copy from amazon.

Also, just as an FYI type of thing, it *really* helps the author if you 
enjoy something that you read if you leave a positive review on amazon. 
 The more of those that a book gets, the more likely someone from outside 
the regular sphere will buy it. 

So, if you get the book, and love it, maybe take the extra step of going to 
amazon and leaving a review.  I am certain that it would help.

If you aren't compelled to leave a review, that's cool too, but i just 
wanted to make a little mention of it, as I am certain it is not the type 
of thing that Grant or anyone at Riv would ever bring up, but I bet would 
help out.  also not the type of thing that usually occurs to me to do.

I am psyched to read it. 

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 3:43:18 PM UTC-4, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:

 In the spirit of the old threads tracking Rivendell Readers, my copy 
 of Just Ride was just dropped off on my doorstep.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

my only nit with the Pauls is that they sit farther out on the studs due to 
the way they are designed, this can be a problem with canti mounted racks.

I think Paul has a solution for this, a special rack adapter for Paul canti 
brakes: http://paulcomp.com/rackadapter.html


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Cc: Norman Bone
Subject: [RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

Norm,

I'm guessing you're using the Marks because you already had one?  Tom is right 
a Nitto Mini front will give a little more clearance because it will dip under 
the straddle wire.  That being said you can make it work with the Marks.  I 
have the IRD Cafams on one bike and the Pauls on another (touring in back, 
neo-retro in front), both of those will clear either rack.  I've also used the 
Tektro CR720 and they were fine as well.

If i had to buy brakes again i would just buy the Paul's for both bikes, i know 
they are expensive but they are really nice to look at, very easy to adjust 
(especially the spring tension), and the feel of the brakes are amazing, in 
fact the pauls with mtb brake levers feel almost as good as my hydraulic rim 
brakes!  The neo-retros are the super wide brakes and i have the straddle 
really high to clear my nitto mini front and they feel about the same as my 
touring canti on the rear of the same bike.  my only nit with the Pauls is that 
they sit farther out on the studs due to the way they are designed, this can be 
a problem with canti mounted racks.

the ird have a similiar feel, but i find them harder to adjust, but after 
adjustment they work fine.
cr720, same thing, a little difficult to adjust, but work fine for me.

I don't know if it's because the Pauls are easier to adjust but they feel the 
best out of the three to me, though again, i think all of them stop fine.


On Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:41:54 AM UTC-4, Norman Bone wrote:
I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the diving 
board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal (at best) 
with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they will not cut the 
mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm using the Tiagra aero 
levers that Riv sells.
That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front that 
would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have you had a 
good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are you running 
the hanger from the tire?

Thanks-

Norm in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

I have these. 

http://www.origin-8.com/images/new_800/13032.jpg

I used them for a few weeks before moving on to a side pull bike. I paid 
$85 in shop and would sell them for $75 shipped. They are not overly 
adjustable but they were the first pair I could set up as easy as side 
pulls. Plus they look awesome and accept regular pads.

I also have a pair of vintage Deore which are infinitely adjustable, in 
perfect shape with newer salmon koolstops for $25 shipped. Much harder to 
set up because of the infinite adjustability.

I like those origin-8s allot.

- Ryan






On Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:41:54 AM UTC-7, Norman Bone wrote:

 I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the 
 diving board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal 
 (at best) with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they 
 will not cut the mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm 
 using the Tiagra aero levers that Riv sells.
 That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front 
 that would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have 
 you had a good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are 
 you running the hanger from the tire? 

 Thanks-

 Norm in PDX


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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

Looks like those cantos are allot cheaper online. So I can sell mine for 60 
shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/Origin8-Ultim8-Cantilever-Brake-Silver/dp/B0046VX3TO

- Ryan

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:46:40 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:

 I have these. 

 http://www.origin-8.com/images/new_800/13032.jpg

 I used them for a few weeks before moving on to a side pull bike. I paid 
 $85 in shop and would sell them for $75 shipped. They are not overly 
 adjustable but they were the first pair I could set up as easy as side 
 pulls. Plus they look awesome and accept regular pads.

 I also have a pair of vintage Deore which are infinitely adjustable, in 
 perfect shape with newer salmon koolstops for $25 shipped. Much harder to 
 set up because of the infinite adjustability.

 I like those origin-8s allot.

 - Ryan






 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:41:54 AM UTC-7, Norman Bone wrote:

 I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the 
 diving board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal 
 (at best) with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they 
 will not cut the mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm 
 using the Tiagra aero levers that Riv sells.
 That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front 
 that would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have 
 you had a good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are 
 you running the hanger from the tire? 

 Thanks-

 Norm in PDX



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[RBW] Re: Upcoming Hunqa

2012-05-03 Thread Liesl

I, too, have the old flat Woodies on my Saluki.  I think I've had 'em
since 2008?  I l,ove them and they've held up really really well.  My
frame is little, and I had to do some mucking about with spacers and
drilling holes for the fender stay because they came with a vertical
tab (you can see this tab in one of Tom's photos above).  They also
used to have a double--what do you call them?--wire fender struts
which are a pain, but they've changed that to an SKS-like single
strut--you can also see this in Tom's photos.  All that said, I love
them.

-liesl

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[RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

2012-05-03 Thread Gary

I recently bought a 58 Hunq and the frame/fork/hs is about 9# on my 
bathroom scale. Just received the wheels today (from Rich at Riv) and am 
looking forward to finally building it up!

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:29:14 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey wrote:

 Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find 
 it on the Riv site.

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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

I'd suggest the Paul cantis. I don't know why people seem to like the 
Tektro CR720. Every time I have to set them up or adjust them, I want to 
swear off my otherwise enjoyable career. And it's not like they have great 
stopping power, so the appeal must be in cosmetics, I guess. I should 
mention that Tektro is always my first choice in brakes for sidepulls and 
v-brakes, so I'm not generally anti-Tektro. All my canti-post bikes have 
v-brakes now. Even/especially the cheap ones work great. You can get 
V-brakes and Tektro long-pull levers for about $60.

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:41:54 AM UTC-5, Norman Bone wrote:

 I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the 
 diving board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal 
 (at best) with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they 
 will not cut the mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm 
 using the Tiagra aero levers that Riv sells.
 That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front 
 that would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have 
 you had a good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are 
 you running the hanger from the tire? 

 Thanks-

 Norm in PDX


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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Solomander

I would have been happier one size down from what was recommended.  Wound 
up with a short stem not to be too stretched out.  IMHO, the critical 
dimension is top tube plus stem length.  The vertical part is easy.  YMMV.

Joel

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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Scotty

I think their sizing was spot on but I may have messed up on my PBH 
measurement and ended up with a bike that is a little big. I read that I 
should measure it a bunch of times and go with the tallest measurement so I 
came up with 85cm and ordered my 58 Hilsen. Now I have my bike and it feels 
a little big and the highest PBH I can measure now is 83. My fault not 
theirs. My advise, when you measure have help. 
Not a huge issue, I have a riding position that works, but not allot of 
seat post showing and standing up the bike is a little tall, but I still 
love it and it works fine. I probably should have bought a 57.(I wanted 
700c wheels).

  

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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

2012-05-03 Thread rcnute

All my bikes have wide-profile cantis--Paul Neo-Retros, CR720s and TRP
Eurox.  The CR 720s have a little slop in the pivots but have always
worked great for me.

Ryan

On May 3, 2:44 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
 I'd suggest the Paul cantis. I don't know why people seem to like the
 Tektro CR720. Every time I have to set them up or adjust them, I want to
 swear off my otherwise enjoyable career. And it's not like they have great
 stopping power, so the appeal must be in cosmetics, I guess. I should
 mention that Tektro is always my first choice in brakes for sidepulls and
 v-brakes, so I'm not generally anti-Tektro. All my canti-post bikes have
 v-brakes now. Even/especially the cheap ones work great. You can get
 V-brakes and Tektro long-pull levers for about $60.

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 9:41:54 AM UTC-5, Norman Bone wrote:

  I need to raise the cable hanger on my front brake to accommodate the
  diving board for a Mark's Rack. The current low profile brakes are marginal
  (at best) with the hanger closer to the tire and I anticipate that they
  will not cut the mustard if I raise the hanger another inch or so. I'm
  using the Tiagra aero levers that Riv sells.
  That being said, I'd like to install a wide profile canti on the front
  that would work well with my existing levers. What wide profile brake have
  you had a good experience with on your Riv with an aero lever? How high are
  you running the hanger from the tire?

  Thanks-

  Norm in PDX

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[RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

2012-05-03 Thread Allan in Portland

Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:

 Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find 
 it on the Riv site.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

When I bought my used Ram frame, I was told it was a 52 cm frame,
which is what I have always bought. In any event, the standover was
about 30.5 inches, which is a bit more than the 30 I usually went
for, but I figured it would be fine.

It turns out that the frame was a 54 cm frame, and it works perfectly
for me, but I wouldn't have thought a 54 would work for me (and might
not have looked at it if I knew it was a 54 cm). I bought an AHH from
Rivendell and I was recommended a 54 cm frame, and it works great too.
I was kind of on the borderline, but after getting the bike, the 54
was definitely the right choice.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Esteban

I'm sure people here know this, but its worth mentioning that Riv measures 
center-to-top, rather than center-to-center, which almost everyone else 
uses.  Sometimes, I think, people might hear that they should be on a 60cm 
Riv frame, which sounds ridiculous as they've always ridden 55 or 57.  But 
a 60cm Riv is really a 58 or 58.5cm to everyone else...

That being said, i think PBH is down to a science for Riv frames and Riv 
riding.  If I really wanted to hammer, I'd go toward the lower portion of 
my range.  If I wanted to tour, I'd go in the higher portion.  Top tube 
really matters, so that measurement plus stem should be in consideration, 
too.

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:20:26 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:

 When I bought my used Ram frame, I was told it was a 52 cm frame, 
 which is what I have always bought. In any event, the standover was 
 about 30.5 inches, which is a bit more than the 30 I usually went 
 for, but I figured it would be fine. 

 It turns out that the frame was a 54 cm frame, and it works perfectly 
 for me, but I wouldn't have thought a 54 would work for me (and might 
 not have looked at it if I knew it was a 54 cm). I bought an AHH from 
 Rivendell and I was recommended a 54 cm frame, and it works great too. 
 I was kind of on the borderline, but after getting the bike, the 54 
 was definitely the right choice. 

 Toshi 


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Re: [RBW] Ride video

That looks fun!

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:12:15 PM UTC-5, Dave Faller wrote:

 That looks like a perfect place to ride.  Nice job! 

 On 5/3/2012 12:39 PM, carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote: 
  My son recently posted a video from a ride together in March.  He is 
  apologetic about the shakiness of the handheld camera, but it looks 
  good to me. 
  I was not riding a Rivendell that day, but the Riv content should not 
  be hard to spot. 
  http://vimeo.com/41471076 
  David 
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[RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest and Grant's visit and other bike stuff to do in Minneapolis at that time

No discussion on this, but I've received a couple emails from people who 
asked about this, and thought I might move it to the top of the feed for a 
few minutes. I've heard from a handful of out-of-towners who are coming in 
for the Grant book thing and/or for the Riv Rally. And I've heard from a 
few HC customers who'll be there. And my usual adventure buddies, of 
course. But honestly, I have no idea if it'll be 15 people or 150! Either 
way, getting all of us together to ride bikes is going to be a special 
thing.

On Monday, April 23, 2012 12:47:16 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 We managed to schedule Grant's book-signing visit for May 31 at Hiawatha 
 Cyclery in Minneapolis, MN, which dovetails nicely into the Midwest Riv 
 rally that begins the following day, June 1 in Red Wing, MN. It's going to 
 be a solid 4-5 days of Riv-ish bike fun. And you're invited!

 Here's some detail.

 Thursday, May 31. 

 I believe the book-signing is scheduled for 6-7:30 PM. I'm going to 
 provide grilled sausages/burgers and/or pulled pork and fancy beer and 
 probably have potluck for the rest. I'm aiming to feed 50 mouths, but maybe 
 100, who knows! Come by the shop starting around 4-5 pm, and be hungry and 
 ready to talk bikes and look at bikes and ride around on bikes. 

 By pure coincidence, local bike company Salsa Cycles is sponsoring a film 
 at nearby Riverview Theater the same evening.
 http://revealthepath.com/
 I would have hated to miss this, but there is a 9pm showing for the film. 
 We can do the book signing thing with Grant, then anybody who's interested 
 can ride over to the theater (which is an old-timey neighborhood movie 
 theater, not a modern shopping mall cineplex). If past experience is an 
 indicator, attending bike films at the Riverview with several hundred 
 Minneapolis bike nuts and bike industry types will be really, really fun. 
 Seriously, this is going to be a spectacular evening for bike people.

 Friday, June 1:
 I'll be leaving in the morning to ride down to Red Wing to meet and greet 
 out-of-towners who are joining the Midwest Riv Rally. You can ride down 
 with me if you want to. The ride to Red Wing is about 65 miles. This 
 meet-and-greet will be an informal sort of thing, but I imagine we'll ride 
 around, eat, drink, be merry, and then scatter off to our respective 
 accommodations. The natural focal point for meeting up in Red Wing will be 
 Bay Point Park. Again, this part is highly unofficial and not at all 
 choreographed. Go to the park, and look for people on nice bikes, and then 
 hang out with them. I'm planning to roll in around 3-4 PM, but that really 
 depends on who rides with me and how fast we go.

 Saturday, June 2:
 Meet at Bay Point Park around 8 am. We'll try to ride out around 9 am down 
 the Wisconsin side of Lake Pepin. Expect 50-60 glorious low-traffic miles 
 of mixed terrain, some hills, some gravel, some pavement, perhaps a modest 
 water crossing (or three). There are cafes and pie shops along the route so 
 we don't need to pack much food. Do not ask me how fast the ride will be, 
 please. I simply don't know, and don't care. It's my opinion that the group 
 should stick together. The fast guys and gals can wait for us slowpokes at 
 the tops of hills and at intersections. Everybody should feel free to stop 
 to snap photos, take a breather, slow down, walk up the hills, etc. I don't 
 plan to provide maps or cue sheets for various reasons, but mostly so we 
 don't get too focused on the route and so that the fast people don't turn 
 it into a race. When we get to Wabasha, I'll have camping arranged, but 
 there's at least one hotel there for those who don't care to camp. You're 
 on your own for hotel reservations. At this time, I don't plan to have any 
 support vehicle, so you'll have to carry your own gear or convince someone 
 else to carry it for you. Maybe one of you has a spouse or friend or 
 relative who'd like to be involved but who doesn't want to ride a bike? If 
 so, maybe you could volunteer that person to provide a support vehicle? But 
 my default is no support vehicle, just so we're all prepared. To be clear, 
 my default is no support of any kind. Just a friendly ride, and if 
 something bad happens, we'll figure out how best to handle it.

 Sunday, June 3: Much like the previous day, except in Minnesota. We'll 
 roll out of Wabasha around 9 am and follow a mixed terrain route, mostly 
 paved, but some gravel, some hills, somewhat more traffic. When we get back 
 to Red Wing, the ride/rally will end.

 Depending on the time, weather, and mood, I will either look for 
 accommodations for the night in Red Wing, or start riding back to 
 Minneapolis. I'm planning to get back to Minneapolis by Monday afternoon, 
 but it could be Sunday night if the wind blows in the right direction.

 Any questions or concerns or other stuff? Post it here, and we'll talk. 
 Are you planning to drive in and have room for someone

[RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

I know you're joking but I think this thinking is as silly as being a 
weight weenie. 

If you don't care about weight at all ever you will end up with a very very 
heavy bike. Maybe that's OK for some people but for riding in a group in 
hilly Seattle it's not fun.

Weight should not be something you think while riding, but while building 
or planning it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Caring about it to the 
point of abandoning said reason and abandoning higher priorities (safety, 
durability) is also silly of course.

Why the rant? I guess I just think people should be able to ask how much a 
bike weighs without getting remarks like like a certain NY jewelry shop, 
if you have to ask.. or put the scale back in the bathroom.*

So I say while building - ask away. It's a major financial investment and 
you should be happy with the results. Once built: just ride.

- Ryan

* side note:  I'm really tall and actually pretty skinny to the point that 
I gained weight after getting in shape.








On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:14:59 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:

 Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:

 Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find 
 it on the Riv site.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

2012-05-03 Thread Peter Morgano

Lighten up, (get it, lighten up, haha) But seriously, its not like its a
sold steel chinese delivery bike, I wouldnt describe the hunq or even the
bomba as very very heavy  Stout yes but not like a lead weight beneath
you. Like so many things in life this is subjective, I rode a heavy mtb
in the Adirondacks growing up and never thought twice and now ride 33lb rig
around NYC and dont think about that either. Its like my LBS guy says to
the weight weenies, wanna lose a lb off the bike? go on a diet or take a
big leak, haha.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know you're joking but I think this thinking is as silly as being a
 weight weenie.

 If you don't care about weight at all ever you will end up with a very
 very heavy bike. Maybe that's OK for some people but for riding in a group
 in hilly Seattle it's not fun.

 Weight should not be something you think while riding, but while building
 or planning it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Caring about it to the
 point of abandoning said reason and abandoning higher priorities (safety,
 durability) is also silly of course.

 Why the rant? I guess I just think people should be able to ask how much a
 bike weighs without getting remarks like like a certain NY jewelry shop,
 if you have to ask.. or put the scale back in the bathroom.*

 So I say while building - ask away. It's a major financial investment and
 you should be happy with the results. Once built: just ride.

 - Ryan

 * side note:  I'm really tall and actually pretty skinny to the point that
 I gained weight after getting in shape.








 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:14:59 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:

 Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:

 Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find
 it on the Riv site.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee Front Rack With Removable Pannier Supports

2012-05-03 Thread Darin G.

Earl,

I'm assuming you're referring to the Tara or Nova and I must admit that 
this approach is growing on me (at considerably less than  the Campee) as I 
already have the Mini-Front.  I assume you mounted the Tubus to the  forks 
with clamps?

I haven't read the BQ article you reference, but I'm not sure I follow the 
point about attaching a rack to the drop outs and stiffening the fork in an 
undesirable way.  The Tubus attacks to the drop outs.  Clarify?

DG.

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:41:40 AM UTC-6, Earl Grey wrote:

 I considered the Campee front rack, but then went with a Nitto M-12 
 and a completely separate stainless Tubus low-rider instead. The low 
 rider can be added and removed probably as easily as the pannier 
 supports on the campee. I don't know the weight comparison, for the 
 full set up, but run only the mini rack 95% of the time. What made me 
 go this route are reports I have read (in BQ and on the net) that 
 front racks that attach to the drop-outs may stiffen the fork and 
 negatively impact the ride quality. 

 Not my own bike, but this photo inspired my setup: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ah_blake/6592931659/in/photostream/ 

 Gernot 


 On May 2, 9:58 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: 
  Anyone have experience with these racks?  I like the idea of being able 
 to 
  take the pannier supports off when I don't need them and just support by 
  Berthoud bag, but wonder if its stable once the panniers are mounted. 
   Seems like it might flex, a lot.  Rube Goldberg machine or elegant 
  solution? 
  
  http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=146_2...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

go on a diet

Actually I'm pretty skinny and my Dr has told me I shouldn't lose weight. 
This is the kind of jib I was talking about. Sometimes the crowd here can 
be as bad as weight weenies. Just relax and let people ask how much a bike 
weighs. It's a perfectly normal question that doesn't deserve mean quips.

- Ryan






On Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:46:30 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Lighten up, (get it, lighten up, haha) But seriously, its not like its a 
 sold steel chinese delivery bike, I wouldnt describe the hunq or even the 
 bomba as very very heavy  Stout yes but not like a lead weight beneath 
 you. Like so many things in life this is subjective, I rode a heavy mtb 
 in the Adirondacks growing up and never thought twice and now ride 33lb rig 
 around NYC and dont think about that either. Its like my LBS guy says to 
 the weight weenies, wanna lose a lb off the bike? go on a diet or take a 
 big leak, haha. 

 On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know you're joking but I think this thinking is as silly as being a 
 weight weenie. 

 If you don't care about weight at all ever you will end up with a very 
 very heavy bike. Maybe that's OK for some people but for riding in a group 
 in hilly Seattle it's not fun.

 Weight should not be something you think while riding, but while building 
 or planning it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Caring about it to the 
 point of abandoning said reason and abandoning higher priorities (safety, 
 durability) is also silly of course.

 Why the rant? I guess I just think people should be able to ask how much 
 a bike weighs without getting remarks like like a certain NY jewelry shop, 
 if you have to ask.. or put the scale back in the bathroom.*

 So I say while building - ask away. It's a major financial investment and 
 you should be happy with the results. Once built: just ride.

 - Ryan

 * side note:  I'm really tall and actually pretty skinny to the point 
 that I gained weight after getting in shape.








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 Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:

 Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find 
 it on the Riv site.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

2012-05-03 Thread Peter Morgano

You are right, Tony my LBS guy is pretty mean, but we are all Italians in
Bay Ridge Brooklyn and can take having someone bust our chops about
something. Its when you cant take a joke that things get mean in our
culture, you should hear my mom curse out my dad, hahaha. I have taken
false umbrage on the list before and can assure you that it is just you
taking it too personally, we all have different senses of what is funny or
mean but I dont think anyone (even you Steve) are mean on purpose. Seems
like another non-issue or maybe someone who is sensitve about being called
a weight weenie, dont really know or really care anymore. By the end of the
block I dont think about what my bike weighs, I am just enjoying the ride.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:

go on a diet

Actually I'm pretty skinny and my Dr has told me I shouldn't lose weight.
This is the kind of jib I was talking about. Sometimes the crowd here can
be as bad as weight weenies. Just relax and let people ask how much a bike
weighs. It's a perfectly normal question that doesn't deserve mean quips.

- Ryan

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:46:30 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Lighten up, (get it, lighten up, haha) But seriously, its not like its a
sold steel chinese delivery bike, I wouldnt describe the hunq or even the
bomba as very very heavy Stout yes but not like a lead weight beneath
you. Like so many things in life this is subjective, I rode a heavy mtb
in the Adirondacks growing up and never thought twice and now ride 33lb rig
around NYC and dont think about that either. Its like my LBS guy says to
the weight weenies, wanna lose a lb off the bike? go on a diet or take a
big leak, haha.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:

I know you're joking but I think this thinking is as silly as being a
weight weenie.

If you don't care about weight at all ever you will end up with a very
very heavy bike. Maybe that's OK for some people but for riding in a group
in hilly Seattle it's not fun.

Weight should not be something you think while riding, but while
building or planning it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Caring about it
to the point of abandoning said reason and abandoning higher priorities
(safety, durability) is also silly of course.

Why the rant? I guess I just think people should be able to ask how much
a bike weighs without getting remarks like like a certain NY jewelry shop,
if you have to ask.. or put the scale back in the bathroom.*

So I say while building - ask away. It's a major financial investment
and you should be happy with the results. Once built: just ride.

- Ryan

* side note: I'm really tall and actually pretty skinny to the point
that I gained weight after getting in shape.

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Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:

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it on the Riv site.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest and Grant's visit and other bike stuff to do in Minneapolis at that time

2012-05-03 Thread Shaun Meehan

I plan to be there for the book event. I assume you'll have plenty of
copies of Grant's book for sale Jim? I don't know about the ride yet. I'm
going to try to make some portion of it at least...

Shaun Meehan



On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
thill@gmail.com wrote:

 No discussion on this, but I've received a couple emails from people who
 asked about this, and thought I might move it to the top of the feed for a
 few minutes. I've heard from a handful of out-of-towners who are coming in
 for the Grant book thing and/or for the Riv Rally. And I've heard from a
 few HC customers who'll be there. And my usual adventure buddies, of
 course. But honestly, I have no idea if it'll be 15 people or 150! Either
 way, getting all of us together to ride bikes is going to be a special
 thing.


 On Monday, April 23, 2012 12:47:16 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

 We managed to schedule Grant's book-signing visit for May 31 at Hiawatha
 Cyclery in Minneapolis, MN, which dovetails nicely into the Midwest Riv
 rally that begins the following day, June 1 in Red Wing, MN. It's going to
 be a solid 4-5 days of Riv-ish bike fun. And you're invited!

 Here's some detail.

 Thursday, May 31.

 I believe the book-signing is scheduled for 6-7:30 PM. I'm going to
 provide grilled sausages/burgers and/or pulled pork and fancy beer and
 probably have potluck for the rest. I'm aiming to feed 50 mouths, but maybe
 100, who knows! Come by the shop starting around 4-5 pm, and be hungry and
 ready to talk bikes and look at bikes and ride around on bikes.

 By pure coincidence, local bike company Salsa Cycles is sponsoring a film
 at nearby Riverview Theater the same evening.
 http://revealthepath.com/
 I would have hated to miss this, but there is a 9pm showing for the film.
 We can do the book signing thing with Grant, then anybody who's interested
 can ride over to the theater (which is an old-timey neighborhood movie
 theater, not a modern shopping mall cineplex). If past experience is an
 indicator, attending bike films at the Riverview with several hundred
 Minneapolis bike nuts and bike industry types will be really, really fun.
 Seriously, this is going to be a spectacular evening for bike people.

 Friday, June 1:
 I'll be leaving in the morning to ride down to Red Wing to meet and greet
 out-of-towners who are joining the Midwest Riv Rally. You can ride down
 with me if you want to. The ride to Red Wing is about 65 miles. This
 meet-and-greet will be an informal sort of thing, but I imagine we'll ride
 around, eat, drink, be merry, and then scatter off to our respective
 accommodations. The natural focal point for meeting up in Red Wing will be
 Bay Point Park. Again, this part is highly unofficial and not at all
 choreographed. Go to the park, and look for people on nice bikes, and then
 hang out with them. I'm planning to roll in around 3-4 PM, but that really
 depends on who rides with me and how fast we go.

 Saturday, June 2:
 Meet at Bay Point Park around 8 am. We'll try to ride out around 9 am
 down the Wisconsin side of Lake Pepin. Expect 50-60 glorious low-traffic
 miles of mixed terrain, some hills, some gravel, some pavement, perhaps a
 modest water crossing (or three). There are cafes and pie shops along the
 route so we don't need to pack much food. Do not ask me how fast the ride
 will be, please. I simply don't know, and don't care. It's my opinion that
 the group should stick together. The fast guys and gals can wait for us
 slowpokes at the tops of hills and at intersections. Everybody should feel
 free to stop to snap photos, take a breather, slow down, walk up the hills,
 etc. I don't plan to provide maps or cue sheets for various reasons, but
 mostly so we don't get too focused on the route and so that the fast people
 don't turn it into a race. When we get to Wabasha, I'll have camping
 arranged, but there's at least one hotel there for those who don't care to
 camp. You're on your own for hotel reservations. At this time, I don't plan
 to have any support vehicle, so you'll have to carry your own gear or
 convince someone else to carry it for you. Maybe one of you has a spouse or
 friend or relative who'd like to be involved but who doesn't want to ride a
 bike? If so, maybe you could volunteer that person to provide a support
 vehicle? But my default is no support vehicle, just so we're all prepared.
 To be clear, my default is no support of any kind. Just a friendly ride,
 and if something bad happens, we'll figure out how best to handle it.

 Sunday, June 3: Much like the previous day, except in Minnesota. We'll
 roll out of Wabasha around 9 am and follow a mixed terrain route, mostly
 paved, but some gravel, some hills, somewhat more traffic. When we get back
 to Red Wing, the ride/rally will end.

 Depending on the time, weather, and mood, I will either look for
 accommodations for the night in Red Wing, or start riding back to
 Minneapolis. I'm

[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

2012-05-03 Thread Bill M.

So it's not just me?  I don't find much to like about the CR720's.  The 
straddle wire was BARELY long enough to clear my Nitto M12, the pads don't 
clear the forks or stays so they don't open fully (common to lots of brakes 
these days), and even with the often recommended 'salmon' pads they squeal 
and don't have great power.  They are on the list to change out one of 
these days.

Bill
Stockton, CA

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:44:14 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 I'd suggest the Paul cantis. I don't know why people seem to like the 
 Tektro CR720. Every time I have to set them up or adjust them, I want to 
 swear off my otherwise enjoyable career. And it's not like they have great 
 stopping power, so the appeal must be in cosmetics, I guess. I should 
 mention that Tektro is always my first choice in brakes for sidepulls and 
 v-brakes, so I'm not generally anti-Tektro. All my canti-post bikes have 
 v-brakes now. Even/especially the cheap ones work great. You can get 
 V-brakes and Tektro long-pull levers for about $60.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming Hunqa

2012-05-03 Thread Brian Hanson

I'll start out with moustache bars on a dirt drop, as that was what the
test bike I rode had that blew my mind...

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Brian, since you live in Seattle I say go with VO, Honjo, Berthoud or
 even SKS Longboards.On my rando bike I run 32mm tires and 52mm VO
 Zeppelin fenders and it's great. The fenders practically wrap around
 the tire to provide excellent coverage. Those wood fenders don't seem
 to wrap around the tires in the least and so there is still a lot of
 spray. And I don't think they're that long. I realize that you'll
 probably be running a much larger tire on the Hunqa than a 32 but
 still, go with some kind of metal fender.

 Also, I'm curious, what bars are you gonna run on the Hunqa?

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread EricP

Will agree with that assessment.  The first run of Sam Hillbornes had a 
slightly longer top tube than later runs.  My 56 fits me very well, but 
there is too much seatpost showing in a perfect world.  I have thrown my 
leg over a 60cm orange Hillborne and it fit perfectly.  So things can and 
do change.
 
My SimpleOne is a 60 and I might have been able to ride a 62 with a 7 or 
8cm stem.  In the past, had also tried a 62 Quickbeam and could barely 
throw a leg over it, and felt totally stretched out trying to reach the 
bars on that bike.
 
That said, I'd trust Rivendell to put me on the correct sized bike if I 
asked. 
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:59:22 PM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:

 I'm sure people here know this, but its worth mentioning that Riv measures 
 center-to-top, rather than center-to-center, which almost everyone else 
 uses.  Sometimes, I think, people might hear that they should be on a 60cm 
 Riv frame, which sounds ridiculous as they've always ridden 55 or 57.  But 
 a 60cm Riv is really a 58 or 58.5cm to everyone else...

 That being said, i think PBH is down to a science for Riv frames and Riv 
 riding.  If I really wanted to hammer, I'd go toward the lower portion of 
 my range.  If I wanted to tour, I'd go in the higher portion.  Top tube 
 really matters, so that measurement plus stem should be in consideration, 
 too.

  



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[RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread Blindrobert

Spot on - for two different geometries.  I have an AHH and a Bombadil
- followed their advice on both and it was exactly right both times.
In fact they are more comfortable than my custom road bike.  I would
also follow their advice on measuring your PBH.  Take it three or four
times and average the results...and really jam that book/ruler/
whatever up there tight against the pubic bone.

On May 2, 2:28 am, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 When you got your Riv's, how was their sizing recommendation for you?

 I am planning on getting a RIV sometime, and was wondering if I should
 go by what they recommend (I hear usually larger), or go with my gut
 (smaller).

 What's your advice?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

2012-05-03 Thread robert zeidler

Perfect.  GP know of what he speaks.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Will agree with that assessment.  The first run of Sam Hillbornes had a
 slightly longer top tube than later runs.  My 56 fits me very well, but
 there is too much seatpost showing in a perfect world.  I have thrown my leg
 over a 60cm orange Hillborne and it fit perfectly.  So things can and do
 change.

 My SimpleOne is a 60 and I might have been able to ride a 62 with a 7 or 8cm
 stem.  In the past, had also tried a 62 Quickbeam and could barely throw a
 leg over it, and felt totally stretched out trying to reach the bars on that
 bike.

 That said, I'd trust Rivendell to put me on the correct sized bike if I
 asked.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:59:22 PM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:

 I'm sure people here know this, but its worth mentioning that Riv measures
 center-to-top, rather than center-to-center, which almost everyone else
 uses.  Sometimes, I think, people might hear that they should be on a 60cm
 Riv frame, which sounds ridiculous as they've always ridden 55 or 57.  But a
 60cm Riv is really a 58 or 58.5cm to everyone else...

 That being said, i think PBH is down to a science for Riv frames and Riv
 riding.  If I really wanted to hammer, I'd go toward the lower portion of my
 range.  If I wanted to tour, I'd go in the higher portion.  Top tube really
 matters, so that measurement plus stem should be in consideration, too.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Upcoming Hunqa

2012-05-03 Thread Brian Hanson

I'm now looking at Syke fenders, as well -
http://www.sykeswoodfenders.com/sykeswoodfenders/home.html - may get the
mahogany.  Thanks for all the feedback!  There are some seriously nice
setups out there!

Brian

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll start out with moustache bars on a dirt drop, as that was what the
 test bike I rode had that blew my mind...

 On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Brian, since you live in Seattle I say go with VO, Honjo, Berthoud or
 even SKS Longboards.On my rando bike I run 32mm tires and 52mm VO
 Zeppelin fenders and it's great. The fenders practically wrap around
 the tire to provide excellent coverage. Those wood fenders don't seem
 to wrap around the tires in the least and so there is still a lot of
 spray. And I don't think they're that long. I realize that you'll
 probably be running a much larger tire on the Hunqa than a 32 but
 still, go with some kind of metal fender.

 Also, I'm curious, what bars are you gonna run on the Hunqa?

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest and Grant's visit and other bike stuff to do in Minneapolis at that time

2012-05-03 Thread EricP

Going to be making the signing and the Rally.  Will be my most extensive 
ride with camping gear.  In fact, changed a few things around in the 
schedule to make sure it would happen.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:25:23 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I plan to be there for the book event. I assume you'll have plenty of 
 copies of Grant's book for sale Jim? I don't know about the ride yet. I'm 
 going to try to make some portion of it at least...

 Shaun Meehan



  




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Re: [RBW] Ride video

2012-05-03 Thread EricP

Agree, looks like a great ride.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:15:46 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 That looks fun!

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:12:15 PM UTC-5, Dave Faller wrote:

 That looks like a perfect place to ride.  Nice job! 



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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee Front Rack With Removable Pannier Supports

2012-05-03 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean

I've got the tara on with clamps provided by tubus 
(http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/Fit%20Solutions/LM_1-250-pix.jpg)

Works fine. Though being paranoid I felt weird clamping anything onto my 
beautiful Hillborne's fork, I can detect no ill effects from having done so.

I suspect the stiffening comment regards the fact that with the mini+tara 
setup, you disconnect the tara completely when not using the low-rider, and 
thus have nothing attached to the dropout 95% of the time. On the Campee setup, 
you always have something attached to the dropout, even when you remove 
low-rider support.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?

2012-05-03 Thread ted

The great thing about weight is that although ones opinion about the
weight of a frame (eg is it heavy of not) is strictly subjective, the
actual weight is a purely objective repeatedly measurable quantity. If
somebody I don't know says a bike is very very heavy I don't really
have any idea what that might mean to me. If they say a 55cm frame and
fork of some model weighs 8 lbs well then I know exactly what that
means and I can decide how I feel about it.

On May 3, 4:46 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lighten up, (get it, lighten up, haha) But seriously, its not like its a
 sold steel chinese delivery bike, I wouldnt describe the hunq or even the
 bomba as very very heavy  Stout yes but not like a lead weight beneath
 you. Like so many things in life this is subjective, I rode a heavy mtb
 in the Adirondacks growing up and never thought twice and now ride 33lb rig
 around NYC and dont think about that either. Its like my LBS guy says to
 the weight weenies, wanna lose a lb off the bike? go on a diet or take a
 big leak, haha.







 On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:
  I know you're joking but I think this thinking is as silly as being a
  weight weenie.

  If you don't care about weight at all ever you will end up with a very
  very heavy bike. Maybe that's OK for some people but for riding in a group
  in hilly Seattle it's not fun.

  Weight should not be something you think while riding, but while building
  or planning it's perfectly normal and reasonable. Caring about it to the
  point of abandoning said reason and abandoning higher priorities (safety,
  durability) is also silly of course.

  Why the rant? I guess I just think people should be able to ask how much a
  bike weighs without getting remarks like like a certain NY jewelry shop,
  if you have to ask.. or put the scale back in the bathroom.*

  So I say while building - ask away. It's a major financial investment and
  you should be happy with the results. Once built: just ride.

  - Ryan

  * side note:  I'm really tall and actually pretty skinny to the point that
  I gained weight after getting in shape.

  On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:14:59 PM UTC-7, Allan in Portland wrote:

  Like a certain NY jewelry shop, if you have to ask... ;-)

  On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:29:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey wrote:

  Does anyone know the weight of the Hunqa frame by itself? I can't find
  it on the Riv site.

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[RBW] Re: Weight of Hunqapillar frame?