Re: [RBW] Gizmodo mention

2012-10-19 Thread cyclotourist
That is a really lovely Glorius in the photo. It would be great if the
Gizmodo posting sends some business Riv's way. Gawker has a pretty big
footprint and almost 26,000 views so far... not bad!

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just saw this article:

 http://gizmodo.com/5952690/a-bike-basket-will-change-your-life

 -L


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[RBW] FT: Rivet Pearl for B17 Special

2012-10-19 Thread Brian Hanson
I've got a nearly new (under 200 miles) Rivet Pearl saddle that I'm not
coming to grips with, and since I shouldn't fix what's not broken, I'd like
to trade it for a B17 Special in Antique Brown or Honey.  I'd take one with
less than 1000 miles if you have one.  The Rivet is a nice saddle, just a
bit stiffer than I like.  More like the Berthoud with a cutout.  Recent pic
(the one in the middle) is here: http://flic.kr/p/cJB4Y9

Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area paint job recommendations?

2012-10-19 Thread eflayer
Not saying Maas is a master of wet paint, but they do do wet paint as 
discussed on the their website: Liquid Coating

We use two component polyurethane coatings to meet the 2.8 EPA regulations 
for solvent emissions and meeting the high performance properties required 
by the business machine computer and electronic enclosures industry. 
Coatings may be applied in a variety of glosses and textures. We also offer 
smooth or textured coatings on structural foam and injection molded 
plastics such as polycarbonate, ABS and polystyrene, SMC, wood and metal 
substrates.

 Matching Powder Coating and Liquid Paint Colors

Do you need to match liquid coating and powder coating colors for the same 
job? It’s possible in many cases
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:03:07 PM UTC-7, Jared Volpe wrote:

 Any suggestions for a paint job in the Bay Area?

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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Brewster Fong


On Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:23:12 PM UTC-7, Michael_S wrote:

 that's an easy fix... dump that crabby fiber fork and get a real steel 
 one.  Fat tire problem solved


What?! You want me to ADD weight to my bike? :) I suppose its possible, but 
are there really alot of people who dump their carbon forks for steel 
ones? ;)  ! Good Luck! 



 ~mike

 On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52:14 PM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:42:54 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: 

 It does sound strange to call 25 wider, but my buddy just rebuilt his 
 27-y-o Mercian into upright, and while he can fit a 28 commuter tire on the 
 rear with no worries, he's having problems with 25 a commuter tire on the 
 front.  If he gets anywhere near the recommended pressure, the bulge from 
 his weight pushes the tire into the brake caliper.  But clearly this frame 
 was built as a road racer and not a touring frame.  I let him get in front 
 at the end of a ride last weekend, though, and he was pacing us  @ 24 mph 
 for 13 miles.  

 I've been riding 700x25 tires for the last 7 or 8 years. When I first 
 started, most of my friends were on 20s and 23s. I usually run my 25s @ 
 85-90psi; my friends' tires varied from 100-130psi!  They all use to laugh 
 at me as you could actually see a size difference - my tires were 
 noticeably fatter. Now, things have changed, most have given up 20s and 
 many have gone to 25s. My advantage is pretty much gone. Maybe its time 
 to try 28swhich basically isn't going to happen as my carbon fork won't 
 allow anything fatter than 25s...Good Luck!


 On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:10:28 PM UTC-5, 
 LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote: 

 H. . . I thought wider began at 32mm. . . 

 On 18 October 2012 11:49, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even race frames are being changed to accomodate wider tires now?!?!?!
 http://www.roadbikerider.com/ask-coach-fred

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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jan Heine
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:48:03 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 

 who still thinks that skinny supple tires are better than fat stiff 
 ones. 


I think that is easily overlooked. Given a choice between a 25 mm Vittoria 
Open CX Corsa and a 35 mm Schwalbe Marathon, I know I'd pick the skinny 
tire, because it's both faster and more comfortable. Casing construction 
trumps width by a great margin. 

When you look at our tire first tests, the three fastest tires measured 24, 
25 and 38 mm wide. The slowest tires were 33 mm wide. The correlation 
between width and speed/comfort applies only if you keep the casing the 
same.

A good thing that will come out of this are more supple, fast wide tires in 
the future.

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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:59 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
 When you look at our tire first tests, the three fastest tires
 measured 24, 25 and 38 mm wide. The slowest tires were 33 mm wide. The
 correlation between width and speed/comfort applies only if you keep
 the casing the same.
 
 A good thing that will come out of this are more supple, fast wide
 tires in the future.

If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but
also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of
glass and sharp stone and long tread life.  I guess while I'm at it I
should also add, (c)and cheap.   Unfortunately, I think that while (b)
and (c) can go together, (a) and (b) tend to be mutually exclusive.




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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Does supple tire automatically mean weak sidewalls?

Toshi


On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:



 If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but
 also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of
 glass and sharp stone and long tread life.  I guess while I'm at it I
 should also add, (c)and cheap.   Unfortunately, I think that while (b)
 and (c) can go together, (a) and (b) tend to be mutually exclusive.



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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Lyle Bogart
I agree, Steve. Fast, supple, puncture resistant. . . that'd be delightful.

On 19 October 2012 12:11, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:59 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
  When you look at our tire first tests, the three fastest tires
  measured 24, 25 and 38 mm wide. The slowest tires were 33 mm wide. The
  correlation between width and speed/comfort applies only if you keep
  the casing the same.
 
  A good thing that will come out of this are more supple, fast wide
  tires in the future.

 If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but
 also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of
 glass and sharp stone and long tread life.  I guess while I'm at it I
 should also add, (c)and cheap.   Unfortunately, I think that while (b)
 and (c) can go together, (a) and (b) tend to be mutually exclusive.




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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:17 -0700, Toshi Takeuchi wrote:
 Does supple tire automatically mean weak sidewalls? 

I'm not even sure what weak sidewalls means.  I'm using several
different tires that are all assuredly fast and supple, including Grand
Bois Cypres, Grand Bois Hetre and Challenge Parigi Roubaix.  I've used
many other brands and types of tires over the years, and the only time
I've ever had an issue with a sidewall it was when a centerpull caliper
arm froze, the other arm did all the moving, and the brake pad moved up
to contact the sidewall and wore it through.  How strong does a
sidewall need to be?



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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
As somebody who sells bike stuff to the general public, I can testify that the 
notion that every bike or part or accessory choice comes with a set of 
compromises is generally not easy to accept for many cyclists (especially those 
who just have one bike). I'd personally take the 35 mm Marathons over the 25 mm 
race tire any day, because traction, flotation, and durability over widely 
varied terrain is more important to me than speed/efficiency on pavement. 
Others have different priorities. But I don't know anybody who wants a 
puncture-prone tire, or expensive tires that are worn to the threads after 2000 
miles. Most of us find that some middle ground is suitable.

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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:33 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 I don't know anybody who wants a puncture-prone tire, or expensive
 tires that are worn to the threads after 2000 miles. Most of us find
 that some middle ground is suitable.
 

Many are willing to accept  2,000 miles per tire for a high performance
event tire.  Most racing 23mm tires will give less than 2,000 miles
service life.  And there's a wide range of acceptable puncture
resistance.  Some, indeed many, find the level of puncture resistance
provided by the Grand Bois Cypres to be entirely acceptable, while
others demand far more and find the Cypres to be unacceptably puncture
prone.  Some of this may depend on local riding conditions: if your
rides are entirely on glass and trash-strewn roads, or if you live in
goathead country, a tire that gives a flat per thousand miles on clean
roads may give you a flat every five miles.



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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jan Heine


On Friday, October 19, 2012 9:11:23 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 

 If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but 
 also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of 
 glass and sharp stone and long tread life.  I guess while I'm at it I 
 should also add, (c)and cheap.   Unfortunately, I think that while (b) 
 and (c) can go together, (a) and (b) tend to be mutually exclusive.  


In fact, wide tires can meet all three demands...

a) Fast: We now know that a wider tire is faster (up to a point) or at 
least no slower than a narrower one, if you keep the casing and tread the 
same.

b) Puncture Resistance: Wider tires are more puncture-resistant, because 
they run at lower pressures. 

c) Cheap: The important variable is price per mile, and a wider tire always 
will be cheaper, because it lasts so much longer, since the wear is spread 
over more rubber.

I don't want to sound like I am advertising here, but the 650B x 42 mm 
Grand Bois Hetre meets all your criteria. It is one of the fastest tires on 
the market. It gets far less punctures than almost any tire you can buy 
(most of us average one puncture per 8000 miles). And it lasts at least 
4000 miles, compared to less than 2000 for most 25 mm tires.

There are few win-win-win situations in physics, but this is one of them. 
(The disadvantages of wide 
tireshttp://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-downsides-of-wide-tires/are 
too small to make a difference in most riding.)

Jan Heine
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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I agree, Steve, if we're talking about tire connoisseurs (i.e. many 
people reading this group), that some are willing to use a no-compromise 
tire. Among 95% of my usual clientèle, however, a tire that is somewhat 
delicate for the sake of efficiency is a deal-breaker. No matter how nicely 
a tire rolls, most less-than-obsessive cyclists will pronounce it junk if 
it gets a flat under any circumstances. Even some of the most racer-ish 
cyclists will proudly boast that their lightweight tires/rims/whatever are 
bomb-proof (I cringe to type that), until they get a flat, which sends 
them in search of yet another lightweight, fast, flat-proof tire.

On Friday, October 19, 2012 11:42:34 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:33 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: 
  I don't know anybody who wants a puncture-prone tire, or expensive 
  tires that are worn to the threads after 2000 miles. Most of us find 
  that some middle ground is suitable. 
  

 Many are willing to accept  2,000 miles per tire for a high performance 
 event tire.  Most racing 23mm tires will give less than 2,000 miles 
 service life.  And there's a wide range of acceptable puncture 
 resistance.  Some, indeed many, find the level of puncture resistance 
 provided by the Grand Bois Cypres to be entirely acceptable, while 
 others demand far more and find the Cypres to be unacceptably puncture 
 prone.  Some of this may depend on local riding conditions: if your 
 rides are entirely on glass and trash-strewn roads, or if you live in 
 goathead country, a tire that gives a flat per thousand miles on clean 
 roads may give you a flat every five miles. 





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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I haven't tried the Hetres, but one of these days I'll put together a 650B 
bike and try them. I've heard lots of good stuff, but didn't realize how 
durable they're proving to be.

On Friday, October 19, 2012 12:19:15 PM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote:



 On Friday, October 19, 2012 9:11:23 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
  

 If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but 
 also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of 
 glass and sharp stone and long tread life.  I guess while I'm at it I 
 should also add, (c)and cheap.   Unfortunately, I think that while (b) 
 and (c) can go together, (a) and (b) tend to be mutually exclusive.  


 In fact, wide tires can meet all three demands...

 a) Fast: We now know that a wider tire is faster (up to a point) or at 
 least no slower than a narrower one, if you keep the casing and tread the 
 same.

 b) Puncture Resistance: Wider tires are more puncture-resistant, because 
 they run at lower pressures. 

 c) Cheap: The important variable is price per mile, and a wider tire 
 always will be cheaper, because it lasts so much longer, since the wear is 
 spread over more rubber.

 I don't want to sound like I am advertising here, but the 650B x 42 mm 
 Grand Bois Hetre meets all your criteria. It is one of the fastest tires on 
 the market. It gets far less punctures than almost any tire you can buy 
 (most of us average one puncture per 8000 miles). And it lasts at least 
 4000 miles, compared to less than 2000 for most 25 mm tires.

 There are few win-win-win situations in physics, but this is one of them. 
 (The disadvantages of wide 
 tireshttp://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/the-downsides-of-wide-tires/are
  too small to make a difference in most riding.)

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 http://www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I don't know how strong they need to be, but my impression is that Grant
prefers tires with stronger sidewalls--presumably because they are safer?

I am a fan of high performance tires for event rides. The Pari-moto tires
are fantastic. I also have Grand Bois Cypres for my 700c bike. For
everyday riding, I don't need high performance. More resistance and
weight is fine, but more comfort is always welcomed.

If I can get more sidewall cut resistance/flat resistance and high
performance, then that would be great. What tires are a good compromise?
 Not necessarily the highest performance, but a good balance of these other
traits? How much of a difference do the kevlar/aramid/other strips make in
terms of flat resistance?

Grant asks (something like), Why can't I run a tire with stiffer sidewalls
at lower pressure and still get good performance?

--In terms of performance, anytime you flex the thicker casing, there will
be an energy loss (you need to take the kinetic energy of bike motion and
convert it to mechanical energy to flex the casing) and therefore (it
stands to reason) it should result in a speed/performance loss. However, in
terms of
ride comfort, I think Grant has a good point. At lower pressures, the
casing will flex and absorb the shock from the road, and the ride should be
just as comfortable.  I would find it hard pressed to believe that a 25 mm
tire will be as comfortable as a 35 or 38mm tire at lower pressures (and
stiffer sidewalls). (In terms of performance there is no doubt...)

Toshi


On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:17 -0700, Toshi Takeuchi wrote:
  Does supple tire automatically mean weak sidewalls?

  How strong does a
 sidewall need to be?



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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 10:24 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 I agree, Steve, if we're talking about tire connoisseurs (i.e. many
 people reading this group), that some are willing to use a
 no-compromise tire. Among 95% of my usual clientèle, however, a tire
 that is somewhat delicate for the sake of efficiency is a
 deal-breaker. No matter how nicely a tire rolls, most
 less-than-obsessive cyclists will pronounce it junk if it gets a
 flat under any circumstances. Even some of the most racer-ish cyclists
 will proudly boast that their lightweight tires/rims/whatever are
 bomb-proof (I cringe to type that), until they get a flat, which
 sends them in search of yet another lightweight, fast, flat-proof
 tire.

I routinely see people with high end ($6,000 and up) carbon racing bikes
sporting Armadillo tires because they fear and hate flats.  I've never
used a 23mm Armadillo, but I did once try 38mm Armadillos on my
commuter... and took them off and threw them away after 2 weeks because
they rode so bad.



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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 10:27 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 I haven't tried the Hetres, but one of these days I'll put together a
 650B bike and try them. I've heard lots of good stuff, but didn't
 realize how durable they're proving to be.

For me, flat resistant, comfortable, long lasting and fast, too.  If you
haven't tried Hetres, you should do.  They definitely are something
special.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: S240's and Lyme disease question.

2012-10-19 Thread John Blish
The fact that you are aware of it and have some concern probably makes you
safer than some others who are not.

From what I read even the most cautious experts are not saying Don't go
into the woods, weeds, bushes, etc.

What they are saying I think is be sure to look yourself over as carefully
as circumstances permit and remove any ticks you find.

-jb


On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:13 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I must sound silly, wondering about this. As, for thousands of years
 humans have lived and had to function daily out of doors.

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[RBW] WTB: unused 650b Schwalbe Marathon HS420 650b x 40 (42-584) Green Guard tire

2012-10-19 Thread lungimsam
PLease sell to me if you have one. Ships to me at 21042.
 
I can get one from Rivendell. But I need another.
They are discontinued. No shops can I find that have 'em other than unknown 
online 1 start retailers.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: unused 650b Schwalbe Marathon HS420 650b x 40 (42-584) Green Guard tire

2012-10-19 Thread Peter Morgano
Just get some Hetres, you won't regret it. Unless of course you are in
goathead territory. I use hetres and ride over broken glass, rocks and all
kinds of crap here in nyc, no issues, super comfy.
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 PLease sell to me if you have one. Ships to me at 21042.

 I can get one from Rivendell. But I need another.
 They are discontinued. No shops can I find that have 'em other than
 unknown online 1 start retailers.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: unused 650b Schwalbe Marathon HS420 650b x 40 (42-584) Green Guard tire

2012-10-19 Thread lungimsam


 They do get great reviews. And I believe what you say.

 But just bare rubber with no puncture protection makes me nervous about 
 glass and debris going right through. 



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[RBW] Re: WTB: unused 650b Schwalbe Marathon HS420 650b x 40 (42-584) Green Guard tire

2012-10-19 Thread lungimsam


 Hetres get great reviews. And I believe what you say.

  

 But just bare rubber with no puncture protection makes me nervous about 
 glass and debris going right through. 

 I commute on some trashy roads (strewn metal, plastic, glass, I even got 
 a flat from a length of a coat-hanger looking thing) and I 
 absatively-posilutely have to get there on time.



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[RBW] WTT: Selle Anatomica Titanico X

2012-10-19 Thread rw1911
Looking to trade my brown Titanico X for a Brooks B17 Imperial or
possibly a B17 Special.

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[RBW] WTB: Schwalbe Marathon 700x47 tire

2012-10-19 Thread Andrew Letton
Hi Folks,
I have a single Schwalbe Marathon 700x47 tire, and I'm looking for another 
(used 
is fine) to make a pair.
Like these:
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t001.htm

Please contact off list.

cheers,
Andrew

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: unused 650b Schwalbe Marathon HS420 650b x 40 (42-584) Green Guard tire

2012-10-19 Thread Peter Morgano
Well, I guess it is hard to guarantee anything 100% and not sure where you
ride but the streets of downtown brooklyn are pretty trashy and i have
ridden over many a patch of glass and debris with no issue. I think one of
the keys is to keep pressure low so more roll over the crap then crush it
into the tires.  Good luck out there either way...maybe a tubless hetre??
Sounds like a fun winter day project, but that is my idea of fun, not
everyones!

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 Hetres get great reviews. And I believe what you say.



 But just bare rubber with no puncture protection makes me nervous about
 glass and debris going right through.

 I commute on some trashy roads (strewn metal, plastic, glass, I even got
 a flat from a length of a coat-hanger looking thing) and I
 absatively-posilutely have to get there on time.

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Re: [RBW] S240's and Lyme disease question.

2012-10-19 Thread Horace
I guess it carries the same risk as camping in other circumstances. I go
camping a couple of times a year, and we have no shortage of ticks out here
in California either. I use a tent and set it up away from brush.

H.
On Oct 18, 2012 2:43 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see vids and read about S240's/touring. Sounds like alot of fun.

 But are you all concerned about getting Lyme Disease (tic-borne) from
 sleeping on the ground outdoors?

 Here in Maryland, Lyme disease seems to run rampant. I know several
 people, who have had it, along with their family members. So I would
 imagine that sleeping on the ground nights could be very risky here in MD.



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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam FS

2012-10-19 Thread bingomck
Sale pending. 

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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread Tim McNamara

On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

 Even some of the most racer-ish cyclists will proudly boast that their 
 lightweight tires/rims/whatever are bomb-proof (I cringe to type that), 
 until they get a flat, which sends them in search of yet another lightweight, 
 fast, flat-proof tire.


This has been part of the high-performance marketing strategy for years.  Sell 
an expensive unsuitable product (imagine 230 lbs me on a 15 lb wunderbike with 
all the latest unobtanium bling) and, when it fails, lure them to buy a more 
expensive and no more suitable replacement product.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Ergon PC2 Pedals, SRAM Doubletap shifters, Pearl Izumi jacket XL

2012-10-19 Thread robert mcandrews
Hi- tried to reply once before; hope this doesn't go out to the entire
list- I'd like to get the jacket if it's still available.  Send me your
info and I'll do the pay pal thing right away.  thanks- Robert McAndrews

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ergon pedals are sold.


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 SRAM 2x10 Apex Doubletap shifters. Just took these off a new Salsa Fargo
 2, only one month old. They work perfect and are in mint condition–no
 scratches.$220 Shipped CONUS.

 Ergon PC2 Pedals. Like new condition, used 3 months. $60 Shipped CONUS.

 Pearl Izumi Vagabond men's convertible jacket. Size XL, red. Sleeves zip
 off and stow in back pocket which converts into fanny pack. Quite clever.
 Very good condition. $40 Shipped CONUS.

 Take $5 off for each combined item going to same address in same box.
 Pictures here: 
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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
There are some that come close, at least. I don't know about the
Compass tires -- perhaps they fit your bill -- but the Kojak is light
(at least with Kevlar bead), supple, fast, and my new, warranteed
559X1.35 wire beads claim Level 4 flat protection whatever that
means.

Just got back from a very nice mixed terrain ride with listmember and
Santa Fean Tim Whelan, both on Fargos, me with my Big Apple wheelset.
The BA wheelset is a dog compared to my Riv wheelsets but I was once
again pleasantly surprised at how well it rolled on the Santa Fe
rollers. Sketchy in loose stuff but quite nice on pavement. Thanks to
them I managed to keep up with Tim on his knobbies.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree, Steve. Fast, supple, puncture resistant. . . that'd be delightful.


 On 19 October 2012 12:11, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:59 -0700, Jan Heine wrote:
  When you look at our tire first tests, the three fastest tires
  measured 24, 25 and 38 mm wide. The slowest tires were 33 mm wide. The
  correlation between width and speed/comfort applies only if you keep
  the casing the same.
 
  A good thing that will come out of this are more supple, fast wide
  tires in the future.

 If only there were a way to make a tire that was (a) fast and supple but
 also provided (b) decent resistance to punctures from small pieces of
 glass and sharp stone and long tread life.  I guess while I'm at it I
 should also add, (c)and cheap.   Unfortunately, I think that while (b)
 and (c) can go together, (a) and (b) tend to be mutually exclusive.




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Re: [RBW] Jan and Grant starting a wide tire revolution among racers now?

2012-10-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
3500 fixed gear rear for a 650CX23 Conti Grand Prix; only 1,500  fixed
rear for a 559X22 Turbo (much more in front, of course) but for me
worth it for the ride. I probably under inflate, but I realized 20
years ago that the Turbos were particularly cushy for narrow tires if
properly inflated. (I did go to the Kojaks on the 559 Riv but only
because I carry loads on that bike.)

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 09:33 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
 I don't know anybody who wants a puncture-prone tire, or expensive
 tires that are worn to the threads after 2000 miles. Most of us find
 that some middle ground is suitable.


 Many are willing to accept  2,000 miles per tire for a high performance
 event tire.  Most racing 23mm tires will give less than 2,000 miles
 service life.  And there's a wide range of acceptable puncture
 resistance.  Some, indeed many, find the level of puncture resistance
 provided by the Grand Bois Cypres to be entirely acceptable, while
 others demand far more and find the Cypres to be unacceptably puncture
 prone.  Some of this may depend on local riding conditions: if your
 rides are entirely on glass and trash-strewn roads, or if you live in
 goathead country, a tire that gives a flat per thousand miles on clean
 roads may give you a flat every five miles.



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[RBW] Chain length rule-of-thumb?

2012-10-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I just put a new Sachs P 48 (? Cheap, 8 speed, NIB) on the Fargo and
found that it is fully two links shorter than the 9 sp chain it
replaced. It will cover the Big/Big combo (46/34 -- note that the 34
is in the #7 position) without grumbling but the cage is angled
considerably forward. The next-to-biggest cog is a 28, I think, and it
handles that fine.

No chain suck on todays mixed dirt/pavement 26 mile ride, so perhaps
the added tension is helping keep things in place?

At any rate, given the above -- and the fact that I never use the
46/34 anyway; I do use the 46/28 occasionally -- any reason to think
that I ought to add more links?

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[RBW] FS: Lots of stuff,lots. Bleriot frameset, All Riv related.

2012-10-19 Thread hobie
This is a big list. All prices include shipping and paypal fees.
 
1- Bleriot 55cm frameset, Tange headset. 650b Was ridden very little. 
$500.00
 
2- Nitto Soba Bar 46cm 26.0 clamp,same as Noodle bars w/o sleeve,lighter 
version. Some shellac residue. $45.00
 
3- MKS touring pedals 1-pair all silver very good condition $25, 1-pair 
black cages good condition. $20.00
 
4-Tektro R556 xtra long reach brakes,pads and holder are similar to 
Yokozuma,they are chrome w. wings. I guess for the third hand to hold them. 
Nice condition. $35.00
 
5-Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 113 JIS w. english threaded mounting rings, 
smooth bearings $85.00
 
6-Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 111 JIS w. english threaded mounting rings, 
alittle rough spinning by hand will spin fine in shell.$70.00
 
7-Nitto Tallux deluxe stem 90cm excellent condition $55.00
 
8- Silver bar end shifters Dia compe very god condition shellac on ends. $45
 
9- Nitto wire guard $23
 
10-Vintage Schwinn (Park Tool Co.) front and rear bag supports,similar to 
the Silver Hupe. Black coating is intact on both to protect frame and bars, 
both go on w/o tools in a few seconds. Great wat to support bags,comes w. 
original cardstock instructions for both. EZ ON EZ OFF Both for $80.00
 
11-Shimano Ultegra headset 1 26.4 crown race good condition $40.00
 
12-SKS Fenders silver P50 nice overall condition. $35
 
13- Brooks B17s Imperial ladies w cutout and side tied laces. Chrome rails 
w. bag loops and wrench. Excellent condition. $95
 
14-Rivendell Brand V Bar bag 1st run made upstate NY very nice condition. 
$38.00
 
15- Rivendell Brand V seat bag 1st run made upstae NY a little dirty should 
clean up nice. $30
 
16- Carradice Super C Barley black w. black buckles 3 white leather 
straps Like new $80.00
 
17- Carradice Super C Barley black w. black buckles 3 white leather strips. 
Has 2 small holes drilled into dowell still very good used condition.$65
 
18- Carradice Super C XL Saddle pack w. minora handlebar clamp.This bag 
sucked as a saddle bag so I cut the straps off and punched  2 holes into 
the rear to except a Minoura bar clamp. Works great!! Good hack!!! $25.00 
w. clamp
 
19-Vintage Shimano 600 front derailer clamp 28.6 nice condition $23.00
 
20-  Grand Boise Hetres 650bx42 black, tan sides alittle dirty Used but 
alot of life left pair $75.00 they roll faster as they wear. Check to see 
what JP weigle does to this tires. He sands them down new. These are great 
tires. The best 650b tires going.
 
21- Soma B-line tires 650bx38 tan sidewalls hardly used alittle dirty 
though rode for 5-7 miles and it started to rain. Like new though. $60.00
 
22-Shimano 105 BL-1051 Aero brake levers vintage black hoods $22
 
23- Brass bell universal spring bell w clamp $12
 
24- 4 brake cable hangers  2 vinatge Shimano 1 front hangers w. barrel 
adjusters,2- Surly rear long cable hangers w. adjusters. $20
 
25-Sugino AP110 vintage triple crankset. Currently set up as a double 48/34 
and comes w. additional original Sugino 38/28 rings,chainring bolts and 
spacers. All rings Sugino alloy. This crank worked well w. a Phil 113 BB. 
$65.00
 
26- 9- 650b inner tubes 4 Schwalbe 5 Kendas bought from Riv and Longleaf 
cycles $28
 
27- 5 inner tubes 26x1.9x2.125 $20  
 
Thanks for looking and have a good one
  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of stuff,lots. Bleriot frameset, All Riv related.

2012-10-19 Thread jeffrey kane
Hobie, I'll take the (9) tubes. can paypal immediately ... just let me know



On Friday, October 19, 2012 6:36:15 PM UTC-4, hobie wrote:

 This is a big list. All prices include shipping and paypal fees.
  
 1- Bleriot 55cm frameset, Tange headset. 650b Was ridden very little. 
 $500.00
  
 2- Nitto Soba Bar 46cm 26.0 clamp,same as Noodle bars w/o sleeve,lighter 
 version. Some shellac residue. $45.00
  
 3- MKS touring pedals 1-pair all silver very good condition $25, 1-pair 
 black cages good condition. $20.00
  
 4-Tektro R556 xtra long reach brakes,pads and holder are similar to 
 Yokozuma,they are chrome w. wings. I guess for the third hand to hold them. 
 Nice condition. $35.00
  
 5-Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 113 JIS w. english threaded mounting rings, 
 smooth bearings $85.00
  
 6-Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 111 JIS w. english threaded mounting rings, 
 alittle rough spinning by hand will spin fine in shell.$70.00
  
 7-Nitto Tallux deluxe stem 90cm excellent condition $55.00
  
 8- Silver bar end shifters Dia compe very god condition shellac on ends. 
 $45
  
 9- Nitto wire guard $23
  
 10-Vintage Schwinn (Park Tool Co.) front and rear bag supports,similar to 
 the Silver Hupe. Black coating is intact on both to protect frame and bars, 
 both go on w/o tools in a few seconds. Great wat to support bags,comes w. 
 original cardstock instructions for both. EZ ON EZ OFF Both for $80.00
  
 11-Shimano Ultegra headset 1 26.4 crown race good condition $40.00
  
 12-SKS Fenders silver P50 nice overall condition. $35
  
 13- Brooks B17s Imperial ladies w cutout and side tied laces. Chrome rails 
 w. bag loops and wrench. Excellent condition. $95
  
 14-Rivendell Brand V Bar bag 1st run made upstate NY very nice condition. 
 $38.00
  
 15- Rivendell Brand V seat bag 1st run made upstae NY a little dirty 
 should clean up nice. $30
  
 16- Carradice Super C Barley black w. black buckles 3 white leather 
 straps Like new $80.00
  
 17- Carradice Super C Barley black w. black buckles 3 white leather 
 strips. Has 2 small holes drilled into dowell still very good 
 used condition.$65
  
 18- Carradice Super C XL Saddle pack w. minora handlebar clamp.This bag 
 sucked as a saddle bag so I cut the straps off and punched  2 holes into 
 the rear to except a Minoura bar clamp. Works great!! Good hack!!! $25.00 
 w. clamp
  
 19-Vintage Shimano 600 front derailer clamp 28.6 nice condition $23.00
  
 20-  Grand Boise Hetres 650bx42 black, tan sides alittle dirty Used but 
 alot of life left pair $75.00 they roll faster as they wear. Check to see 
 what JP weigle does to this tires. He sands them down new. These are great 
 tires. The best 650b tires going.
  
 21- Soma B-line tires 650bx38 tan sidewalls hardly used alittle dirty 
 though rode for 5-7 miles and it started to rain. Like new though. $60.00
  
 22-Shimano 105 BL-1051 Aero brake levers vintage black hoods $22
  
 23- Brass bell universal spring bell w clamp $12
  
 24- 4 brake cable hangers  2 vinatge Shimano 1 front hangers w. barrel 
 adjusters,2- Surly rear long cable hangers w. adjusters. $20
  
 25-Sugino AP110 vintage triple crankset. Currently set up as a double 
 48/34 and comes w. additional original Sugino 38/28 rings,chainring bolts 
 and spacers. All rings Sugino alloy. This crank worked well w. a Phil 113 
 BB. $65.00
  
 26- 9- 650b inner tubes 4 Schwalbe 5 Kendas bought from Riv and Longleaf 
 cycles $28
  
 27- 5 inner tubes 26x1.9x2.125 $20  
  
 Thanks for looking and have a good one
   


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Lots of stuff,lots. Bleriot frameset, All Riv related.

2012-10-19 Thread jimmy johnsen
Jeffrey they sold sorry

 


 From: jeffrey kane jsk_onl...@mac.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 6:50 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: Lots of stuff,lots. Bleriot frameset, All Riv related.
  

Hobie, I'll take the (9) tubes. can paypal immediately ... just let me know



On Friday, October 19, 2012 6:36:15 PM UTC-4, hobie wrote:
This is a big list. All prices include shipping and paypal fees.

1- Bleriot 55cm frameset, Tange headset. 650b Was ridden very little. $500.00

2- Nitto Soba Bar 46cm 26.0 clamp,same as Noodle bars w/o sleeve,lighter 
version. Some shellac residue. $45.00

3- MKS touring pedals 1-pair all silver very good condition $25, 1-pair black 
cages good condition. $20.00

4-Tektro R556 xtra long reach brakes,pads and holder are similar to 
Yokozuma,they are chrome w. wings. I guess for the third hand to hold them. 
Nice condition. $35.00

5-Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 113 JIS w. english threaded mounting rings, smooth 
bearings $85.00

6-Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 111 JIS w. english threaded mounting rings, alittle 
rough spinning by hand will spin fine in shell.$70.00

7-Nitto Tallux deluxe stem 90cm excellent condition $55.00

8- Silver bar end shifters Dia compe very god condition shellac on ends. $45

9- Nitto wire guard $23

10-Vintage Schwinn (Park Tool Co.) front and rear bag supports,similar to the 
Silver Hupe. Black coating is intact on both to protect frame and bars, both 
go on w/o tools in a few seconds. Great wat to support bags,comes w. original 
cardstock instructions for both. EZ ON EZ OFF Both for $80.00

11-Shimano Ultegra headset 1 26.4 crown race good condition $40.00

12-SKS Fenders silver P50 nice overall condition. $35

13- Brooks B17s Imperial ladies w cutout and side tied laces. Chrome rails w. 
bag loops and wrench. Excellent condition. $95

14-Rivendell Brand V Bar bag 1st run made upstate NY very nice condition. 
$38.00

15- Rivendell Brand V seat bag 1st run made upstae NY a little dirty should 
clean up nice. $30

16- Carradice Super C Barley black w. black buckles 3 white leather 
straps Like new $80.00

17- Carradice Super C Barley black w. black buckles 3 white leather strips. 
Has 2 small holes drilled into dowell still very good used condition.$65

18- Carradice Super C XL Saddle pack w. minora handlebar clamp.This bag sucked 
as a saddle bag so I cut the straps off and punched  2 holes into the rear to 
except a Minoura bar clamp. Works great!! Good hack!!! $25.00 w. clamp

19-Vintage Shimano 600 front derailer clamp 28.6 nice condition $23.00

20-  Grand Boise Hetres 650bx42 black, tan sides alittle dirty Used but alot 
of life left pair $75.00 they roll faster as they wear. Check to see what JP 
weigle does to this tires. He sands them down new. These are great tires. The 
best 650b tires going.

21- Soma B-line tires 650bx38 tan sidewalls hardly used alittle dirty though 
rode for 5-7 miles and it started to rain. Like new though. $60.00

22-Shimano 105 BL-1051 Aero brake levers vintage black hoods $22

23- Brass bell universal spring bell w clamp $12

24- 4 brake cable hangers  2 vinatge Shimano 1 front hangers w. barrel 
adjusters,2- Surly rear long cable hangers w. adjusters. $20

25-Sugino AP110 vintage triple crankset. Currently set up as a double 48/34 
and comes w. additional original Sugino 38/28 rings,chainring bolts and 
spacers. All rings Sugino alloy. This crank worked well w. a Phil 113 BB. 
$65.00

26- 9- 650b inner tubes 4 Schwalbe 5 Kendas bought from Riv and Longleaf 
cycles $28

27- 5 inner tubes 26x1.9x2.125 $20  

Thanks for looking and have a good one
  
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[RBW] Re: Chain length rule-of-thumb?

2012-10-19 Thread dougP
Patrick:

Sheldon has a chain length procedure involving running the chain over
the big  big combo but not thru the RD, plus a link or 2.  Check it
out as it's been a while since I looked.

OTH, if it works, why mess with it?  Sure, the RD is going to angled
out pretty good in the big  big but it still worked?  I'd say no
worries.  I've used plenty of chains right out of the box that worked
fine.  I've done Sheldon's procedure.  Honestly can't say I see any
difference, and I've got a wide range cassette  triple on the
Atlantis.

dougP

On Oct 19, 2:24 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just put a new Sachs P 48 (? Cheap, 8 speed, NIB) on the Fargo and
 found that it is fully two links shorter than the 9 sp chain it
 replaced. It will cover the Big/Big combo (46/34 -- note that the 34
 is in the #7 position) without grumbling but the cage is angled
 considerably forward. The next-to-biggest cog is a 28, I think, and it
 handles that fine.

 No chain suck on todays mixed dirt/pavement 26 mile ride, so perhaps
 the added tension is helping keep things in place?

 At any rate, given the above -- and the fact that I never use the
 46/34 anyway; I do use the 46/28 occasionally -- any reason to think
 that I ought to add more links?

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[RBW] Re: Chain length rule-of-thumb?

2012-10-19 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
Interesting question. 

I've been doing my own wrenching for many years and chain length (on 
derailer bikes) is one of those things that's always been eluded me. My 
experience is that there seems to be some wiggle room. I tend to error on 
making the chain as short as possible so that everything still works, but 
adding a link or 2 often still works fine too. I haven't read Sheldon's 
spiel on the subject.

--Andy
 

On Friday, October 19, 2012 2:24:56 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I just put a new Sachs P 48 (? Cheap, 8 speed, NIB) on the Fargo and 
 found that it is fully two links shorter than the 9 sp chain it 
 replaced. It will cover the Big/Big combo (46/34 -- note that the 34 
 is in the #7 position) without grumbling but the cage is angled 
 considerably forward. The next-to-biggest cog is a 28, I think, and it 
 handles that fine. 

 No chain suck on todays mixed dirt/pavement 26 mile ride, so perhaps 
 the added tension is helping keep things in place? 

 At any rate, given the above -- and the fact that I never use the 
 46/34 anyway; I do use the 46/28 occasionally -- any reason to think 
 that I ought to add more links? 

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 http://tinyurl.com/d7muj2t 

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 http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
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[RBW] Hunq on first camping trip...

2012-10-19 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I'm on my first camping trip with my Hunq. Had about a 25 mile ride into
the wind to get to Bellows AFB campgrounds. It was a great ride, bike
handled beautifully even with all the gear...tent, pad, bag, change of
clothes, so on and so forth.

http://flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8104171170/

Quick stop at Makapuu lookout.

Aloha,

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Hunq on first camping trip...

2012-10-19 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
have fun out there. 

On Friday, October 19, 2012 6:43:48 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

 I'm on my first camping trip with my Hunq. Had about a 25 mile ride into 
 the wind to get to Bellows AFB campgrounds. It was a great ride, bike 
 handled beautifully even with all the gear...tent, pad, bag, change of 
 clothes, so on and so forth.

 http://flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8104171170/

 Quick stop at Makapuu lookout.

 Aloha,

 Bob
  

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[RBW] Re: Hunq on first camping trip...

2012-10-19 Thread Manuel Acosta
Hope you didn't forget the spam for breakfast! Have fun

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[RBW] After school bike rides aka Learning Experiences that last for the rest of their lives.

2012-10-19 Thread Manuel Acosta
One of the greatest things about being a teacher is convincing students to 
surpass their own limitations. 
Last Thursday marked the first after school bike ride for the Venturing 
Crew.
We had three venturers that braved the hot weather to ride up to Alum Rock. 
Sweaty helmets and thirsty throats was our reward when getting to the gate 
of Alum Rock. Some of them at that point wanted to go back. With a little 
bit of convincing(aka lying about the extra milage) the rest of the 
students were willing to finish the rest of the trip. We decided to ride 
and descend on the dirt trail something different from our usually trip to 
Alum Rock. We saw deers, practiced some cyclocross and hopped over 
streams during our ride back. You know we rode bikes the way bikes should 
be ridden.
I'm a firm believer that the best learning experiences don't come from 
teaching our students directly but by having them experience and take full 
responsibility for their own learning. Let kids make mistakes and get hurt 
I say. Have them built some character!
All it takes is one positive experience to help change a students attitude 
for the rest of the week maybe even for the rest of their lives. 

Pictures prove that learning comes from experiences:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjCwhBFA

-Manny Mr. Acosta


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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam FS

2012-10-19 Thread Ryan Ray
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