date:20130808

Started with Moustaches. (good - too much reach)
Went to Porteurs. (better - wrapped with the wrong tape color, and got
antsy...)
Next up, Noodles. (best - but felt just like my Homer)
Now using Albas (tied for great with Noodles, but I am still a bit miffed
that they swoop up - bending my hands at an odd angle when I'm in the
forward position)
Next up - may go back to Porteurs or Boscos (like on a another bike)

The joys of a cockpit switcher!

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Ozonation  wrote:

> I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar
>
> I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but
> would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa
> Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively
> long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was
> thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.
>
> However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and
> this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I
> just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or
> Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on
> rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more
> MTB style) would be best.
>
> I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they
> for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of
> Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good
> reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what
> looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos!
>
> Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of
> lends the above.
>
> Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations?
> Albatross? Other?
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

I went through kinda the same thing when my Hunqapillar frame arrived, but 
the sheer beauty of the thing made me forget all about it. Happy new bike 
day! Post pics when you've got her all built up! Good luck and congrats!

Shawn M.
Seattle, WA

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about 
> completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides together. 
>
> There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
> before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
> little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
> recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 
>
> Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 
>
> Cecily
> Vancouver, BC
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[RBW] Post Courage Classic Pictures

2013-08-08 Thread Benedikt

I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again. 
Pictures to prove it! - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/
This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This 
brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And actually 
it wasn't that bad. I even passed some carbon peeps.

The Courage Classic is a three day/170 mile ride right here in the 
Washington Cascades. Each day climbs over a mountain pass. The Sam was a 
huge hit. There was a small crowd formed around it many times taking 
pictures and asking questions.  

To the one person in the RBW Owners Brunch who made a donation thank you 
again. If anyone else wants to donate here's the link to my fundraising 
page. There's still time. 
http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart
With your donation you're helping to stop the cycle of child abuse and 
neglect . 100% of your donation goes directly to the charity. The web page 
makes it appear that $25 dollars is the least you can give however ANY 
amount can be entered in the box. $5, $10, $15, $20 dollars all gladly 
accepted. Skip out on your morning latte. Feel good about helping kids and 
a friend reach his fundraising goal!

- Brian in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Looking for 62cm Quickbeam

2013-08-08 Thread Philip Williamson

I can ride a 64, and I've been super happy with my 60cm 
Quickbeamfor
 9 years. 
So you might consider Colin's 60cm 
Quickbeamposted
 to the list. Only $1000, and plus, it's orange. Pull the seatpost up 
a thumb's width, install a longer stem, and Bob's yer uncle. Fantastic 
bike. 

Philip
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On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:50:35 PM UTC-7, Jeremy wrote:
>
> After seeing that 64cm QB go by (which was a hair too big for my stubby 
> legs), I've decided I want a QB of my own.
>
> Anyone holding?
>
> -Jeremy
> www.cedarcycling.com / @cedarcycling on the internets
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

L, L, Love that!  Best feature on the betty!  The heart is part of what
sold me on the Hunqa!

Congrats, Cecily!  You will love her!  I just stared at one longingly today
on a visit to Free Range in Seattle.

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Cecily Walker wrote:

> Proof that she's here in my possession. I still can't believe I own one of
> these bikes after wanting one for so long.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

Tom - it's worth some frustration to stick this group out.  Best listserv
I've been a part of.  Ever.

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the
> list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live
> Riv-person. Welcome!
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
>> Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been
>> mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go
>> it).   I am done.
>>
>> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
>>
>> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-08 Thread Manuel Acosta

I was about to say... If there aren't any pictures

Best regards. Keep that rubber side down.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:35:02 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Proof that she's here in my possession. I still can't believe I own one of 
> these bikes after wanting one for so long. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Long can be good, too

Fantastic! What a ride and great photos, too. Many congratulations on 
reaching your goal. Now, what's this "training" thing I hear tell of? 
That's where the whole randonneuring thing breaks down for me... :)

Seriously, though, well done.

Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)



On Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:08:33 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> I just finished a great 300k in Whatcom county (furthermost north/west 
> part of WA state), and my ride goal for 2013. It was my longest ride, and 
> my first 300k. The first 60 miles led to a 5000' climb to "Artist's Point"
> flic.kr/s/aHsjA7EhD5 nestled between Mt. Baker and Mt. Shuksan. It was 
> brutal but beautiful climbing up to the clouds and snow!  From there, we 
> headed back down on an amazing (and fast) descent the way we came up.  I 
> stopped to take some pics I missed on the way up, filled up on coconut 
> water, and then headed north through blueberry and raspberry fields to the 
> Canadian border, and West to Peace Arch Park at the border crossing and the 
> Pacific Ocean. After a nice jaunt along the coast, we headed back home. I 
> suffered on the last 100k with a left knee that wasn't cooperating, and a 
> front derailer that broke after the Baker climb, but I mustered that last 
> 50 miles and enjoyed the feeling of pulling in after a full day of awesome 
> scenery in perfect weather! 
>
> Pix proved it happened:  http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHhzZyg
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

This reminds me of when I made snow tires with machine screws through the
knobs on my old mtb tires.  Wouldn't it be really great if folks just
demanded large supple smooth road tires so we don't have to go to these
extremes?  Oh wait - the Compass 26" 2.0s are exactly that.  I love mine,
BTW - awesome ride - probably made my older Miyata with Bosco's a favorite
bike.  Now if I could just lower the bottom bracket...

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh - "how" he shaved the tread. I'm sorry. He said he inflated the tire
> and pressed hard with side cutters. Then the road does most of the work of
> smoothing it down as you ride.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:36:01 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Lightness! The claimed weights of those knobbies looks good for such fat
>> tires. I have 700C Big Apples, as well, but I think they're much heavier. I
>> really like them, though.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:35:11 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> Philip - Really interesting, thanks for sharing the article.  I like the
>>> idea though I'm not sure I'd gain much from my big apples.  I don't have a
>>> drop bar 26" bike though... hmmm!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:24:26 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 You've seen this, perhaps?
 http://bartthebikeman.**wordpress.com/2013/06/28/**
 schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-**as-a-road-tyre/


 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:34:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Asking opinions of people who have used one or the other or both:
>
> Are the FFs too fragile (360 grams at 50 mm!) for rough gravel?
>
> Now that Stan's seems to be the magic tie that binds paperweight tires
> and goathead-studded roads, I see no reason not to run the lightest
> tire that will stand up to rough gravel, but don't want blowouts at 40
> mph down a steep logging road.
>
> The RR is 520 grams and a bit wider (2.25") and about the same price,
> so perhaps that's a better option?
>
> Heck, even at 520 grams, with the 560 gram Rhyno Lites in place of the
> 800 gram ("light" model) SnoCats and the 800 gram ("light model",
> folding") BA Liteskins, climbing ought to be a different experience.
>
> The as-new pair of the BAs are still for sale.
>
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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-08 Thread Joe Bernard

It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the 
list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live 
Riv-person. Welcome!

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

> Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
> mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
> it).   I am done.
>
> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

2013-08-08 Thread Philip Williamson

Oh - "how" he shaved the tread. I'm sorry. He said he inflated the tire and 
pressed hard with side cutters. Then the road does most of the work of 
smoothing it down as you ride. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:36:01 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Lightness! The claimed weights of those knobbies looks good for such fat 
> tires. I have 700C Big Apples, as well, but I think they're much heavier. I 
> really like them, though. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:35:11 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Philip - Really interesting, thanks for sharing the article.  I like the 
>> idea though I'm not sure I'd gain much from my big apples.  I don't have a 
>> drop bar 26" bike though... hmmm!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:24:26 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> You've seen this, perhaps? 
>>>
>>> http://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-as-a-road-tyre/
>>>  
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:34:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Asking opinions of people who have used one or the other or both: 

 Are the FFs too fragile (360 grams at 50 mm!) for rough gravel? 

 Now that Stan's seems to be the magic tie that binds paperweight tires 
 and goathead-studded roads, I see no reason not to run the lightest 
 tire that will stand up to rough gravel, but don't want blowouts at 40 
 mph down a steep logging road. 

 The RR is 520 grams and a bit wider (2.25") and about the same price, 
 so perhaps that's a better option? 

 Heck, even at 520 grams, with the 560 gram Rhyno Lites in place of the 
 800 gram ("light" model) SnoCats and the 800 gram ("light model", 
 folding") BA Liteskins, climbing ought to be a different experience. 

 The as-new pair of the BAs are still for sale. 

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[RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

Terrific write-up, Anne. I really enjoyed reading your perspective on this 
adventure. I've really got to do some riding in that part of the world 
sometime. 

Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Every time I read about one of Manny's adventures, I think to myself, 
> "Wow, that's too hard for me, glad I didn't do that one." But Jim 
> Warren asked if I were going to ride this one, and then I wanted to 
> reward myself for finishing up some programs, so somehow on Monday 
> morning, there I was at the Mountain View train station, waiting to 
> take the train to San Francisco and adventure. 
>
> You dudes with all that upper body strength don't have to worry about 
> this, but I was worried about even getting my loaded bike onto 
> Caltrain. The bike cars I'd been on in the past have four very steep 
> steps you have to carry your bike up. I was afraid I wouldn't be able 
> to do that. (For good reason, as I found out the next day.) But, 
> happily, the bike car that arrived was a different sort, where the 
> rider just had to lift the bike up one tiny step. 
>
> And, at nine in the morning, there were a whole bunch of cyclists 
> waiting to do just that. As there were also a whole bunch of cyclists 
> already on the train, embarking resembled a game of Bike Tetris, with 
> bikes and riders crammed in the aisles, and much shifting at each 
> station. Fortunately the other cyclists were patient with me and my 
> difficulties maneuvering a bike loaded up with rear panniers in the 
> cramped quarters. 
>
> By the time we got to San Mateo where Jim Warren was to board the 
> train, the herd had thinned and he was able to find a space with no 
> difficulties. Once in San Francisco we went on to the Ferry Building 
> and Pier 1 to meet up with the famous Manny and the other riders. The 
> Ferry Building is foodie heaven; we stopped there for a bite to eat, 
> and to get some provender for the ride. Manny pooh-poohed the idea 
> that we needed food, but was overruled. I had awoken early to finish 
> packing, ride to the train to take the hour and a half trip-- 
> breakfast was a distant memory by that time. 
>
> We proceeded through San Francisco, over the bridge (which sucked, as 
> usual) and down through Sausalito, where we stopped at a bike shop. 
> Sadly, none of us could fit in the handsome wool tweed riding breeches 
> that were on sale-- perhaps no other riders could, either, and that's 
> why they were on sale. 
>
> We continued on to Mill Valley, for another stop, to meet another 
> rider,  for a cheese and fruit snack and for purchase of more food, 
> some to eat then, some to bring, plus various beverages of an 
> alcoholic nature. Manny pooh-poohed  the idea that we would need 
> anything for breakfast, saying that we'd have a downhill trip from our 
> campsite to the Pelican Inn where we would be able to have coffee. I 
> like coffee at breakfast but I like breakfast food as well, so I 
> nevertheless brought food, as did others. When you read the 
> description of the next day's ride, you will notice that there were no 
> places at all to get food. So, if you are on a ride with Manny, it 
> can't hurt to bring extra food, as indeed he always does. 
>
> Now it was time to start the dirt... and the ride was pretty much all 
> dirt from then on, until we got back to the Bridge the next day. We 
> started up the east side of Old Railroad Grade.  The trail was 
> fire-road width, not too steep, but the surface is sharp pointy rocks. 
> I was glad I had installed the Marathon 1.6 tires on the bike, but 
> realized as I jounced around on the rocks that 75 psi was way too much 
> air. I kept letting out more and more air. 
>
> On our way up, we met up with our last rider. Now we were seven, with 
> four Atlanti, Jim's Hunqa, a Hilsen and another fine non-Riv entrant. 
> Of our four Atlanti, three were the original green (mine is purple) 
> but only one of our forks was the original color: we had a 
> kaleidoscope of green, purple, orange and blue. Odd.  (And I'm sure 
> Manny will have pictures to prove this.) 
>
> At West Point Inn, at the top, I was thinking that the climb would 
> have been iffy with narrow tires. But then, who should arrive at the 
> top but a fit-looking Bridgestone RB-3 (?) rider on narrow tires. 
> Clearly, this dude was a skilled rider to be able to navigate the 
> rocky surface without getting pinch flats. We all stood around for a 
> while appreciating each others' bikes, then descended to the 
> campground. 
>
> The campground seemed oddly wet. Hmm... I didn't think it had rained, 
> but our campsite was muddy. Oh well. We set up camp, and stuffed 
> ourselves with various cheese, bread, sausage, fabulous pastry and 
> other good stuff people brought. And then it was dinner time, but 
> having eaten all that other food, I didn't feel like eating the 
> sandwich I had lugged up there. 
>
> Manny made a litt

[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

Stick it out, Tom. This group is a wealth of knowledge, freely shared by a 
wide range of riders and riding styles. And it's the nicest group of ladies 
and gentlemen I've ever encountered anywhere on the internet. I understand 
your frustration, but trust me; it's worth it. Good luck.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
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>
> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
>
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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

I gnashed my teeth a bit before I finally committed to the Albatross bars. 
I'd always had drops on my road bikes in the past, and I was a little 
worried that I'd be giving up too much in the way of hand positions. Now, I 
can't imagine ever riding with drops again. I LOVE my Albas. It was a real 
revelation. I really like upright riding; I can see better, breathe better, 
and my lower back and neck are much happier. I use my 54cm Hunqapillar for 
everything: joy riding, grocery runs, camping, and even touring and I've 
never once wished I had more hand positions. The hooks are super 
comfortable for stretching out on the bike, climbing out of the saddle, 
getting out of a headwind a bit. I will unabashedly evangelize Albatross 
bars to anyone who will listen, and many who won't. I don't think you'll 
regret it. The Bosco looks to be a great bar as well, and probably my next 
bar, for all of the same reasons. Very comfortable, and they look great on 
any Riv.

Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:58:56 PM UTC-7, Ozonation wrote:
>
> I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar
>
> I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but 
> would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa 
> Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively 
> long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was 
> thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.
>
> However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and 
> this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I 
> just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or 
> Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on 
> rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more 
> MTB style) would be best.
>
> I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they 
> for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of 
> Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good 
> reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what 
> looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos! 
>
> Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of 
> lends the above. 
>
> Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? 
> Albatross? Other? 
>
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

2013-08-08 Thread Philip Williamson

Lightness! The claimed weights of those knobbies looks good for such fat 
tires. I have 700C Big Apples, as well, but I think they're much heavier. I 
really like them, though. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:35:11 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Philip - Really interesting, thanks for sharing the article.  I like the 
> idea though I'm not sure I'd gain much from my big apples.  I don't have a 
> drop bar 26" bike though... hmmm!
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:24:26 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> You've seen this, perhaps? 
>>
>> http://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-as-a-road-tyre/
>>  
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:34:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Asking opinions of people who have used one or the other or both: 
>>>
>>> Are the FFs too fragile (360 grams at 50 mm!) for rough gravel? 
>>>
>>> Now that Stan's seems to be the magic tie that binds paperweight tires 
>>> and goathead-studded roads, I see no reason not to run the lightest 
>>> tire that will stand up to rough gravel, but don't want blowouts at 40 
>>> mph down a steep logging road. 
>>>
>>> The RR is 520 grams and a bit wider (2.25") and about the same price, 
>>> so perhaps that's a better option? 
>>>
>>> Heck, even at 520 grams, with the 560 gram Rhyno Lites in place of the 
>>> 800 gram ("light" model) SnoCats and the 800 gram ("light model", 
>>> folding") BA Liteskins, climbing ought to be a different experience. 
>>>
>>> The as-new pair of the BAs are still for sale. 
>>>
>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

That looks like a pretty big gear.

On 8/8/13, James Warren  wrote:
> Yeah, I'm one pipe away from that photo.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Manuel Acosta 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks and sounds like bike hobos to me.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:07:31 PM UTC-7, futch wrote:
>> http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/
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Re: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

I rode trails with Albas, and they work really well. The Boscos look
like an improvement on them. I'd give either one of those a try first.
Then put some drops on the Sam for variation.

On 8/8/13, Ozonation  wrote:
> I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar
>
> I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but
> would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa
> Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively
> long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was
> thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.
>
> However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and
> this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I
> just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or
> Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on
> rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more
> MTB style) would be best.
>
> I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they for
>
> longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of
> Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good
> reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what
> looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos!
>
> Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of
> lends the above.
>
> Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations?
> Albatross? Other?
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-08 Thread James Warren

Yeah, I'm one pipe away from that photo.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Manuel Acosta  wrote:

> Looks and sounds like bike hobos to me.
> 
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:07:31 PM UTC-7, futch wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-08 Thread Manuel Acosta

Looks and sounds like bike hobos to me.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:07:31 PM UTC-7, futch wrote:
>
>
> http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/
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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-08 Thread LeahFoy

Fantastic! I ask questions like this all the time and these folks tolerate it 
just fine! Can't WAIT to see her all built up! She's pretty Cycle Chic, you 
know; going to give you a run for your money! At least mine does...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

There's about 20 email messages that just posted @ 9:45 through 9:48.
I bet they (and yours) were in the admin approval queue. Welcome to
the bunch! :-)

On 8/8/13, Tom Virgil  wrote:
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> Now is odd.  This post appeared almost instantaneously.  I'll wait to see
> if there is some explanation for this.  I would really like to relate to
> this group.
>
>
> With most respect,
>
> Tom
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been
>> mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go
>>
>> it).   I am done.
>>
>> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
>>
>> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch


Now is odd.  This post appeared almost instantaneously.  I'll wait to see 
if there is some explanation for this.  I would really like to relate to 
this group.


With most respect,

Tom
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
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> Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
> mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
> it).   I am done.
>
> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

Well that came through just fine! :-)

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> mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go
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> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
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[RBW] Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
it).   I am done.

Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

Tom

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[RBW] Stolen Royal H Mixte Ventura

2013-08-08 Thread Pammie

Hi all,

I love reading this forum and have a similar type of hand built bike - a 
Royal H Mixte with custom Peter White Son Dynamo wheelset. . . .  It was 
stolen out of the garage this week while I was in DC.  My partner thinks it 
could be that left the garage door open for just a few hours before going 
to bed one evening but it would not have been long.  When I arrived home, I 
immediately saw it gone. . . 

If anyone come across it please let me know -- Ventura Police Department 
has also been notified, and I have notified all the bike shops!  It's 
really one of a kind. . . I'm sick about it.  

I bought the frame from bike blogger Lovely Bike a year ago and have used 
it for rides of 30+ miles.  We have kept it in the house off and on -- but 
live in a very safe neighborhood. I've never had a bike stolen as an adult. 
   I also have a new Acorn bag on the front. S

The police believe it is carnies -- we have a park and ride about 4 blocks 
from the house and the fair is in town and we are, apparently, in the 
middle of a crime spree.  I do have insurance but I am still heartbroken.

My build (although I have cream delta cruisers on it now):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76332248@N06/9452690851/

Here the frame on the builder site:
http://royalhcycles.com/lovelybike-mixte/

Warm regards, Pam (805) 856-8370 

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[RBW] Of possible interest to tall riders (Warning!!! Carbon bits)

2013-08-08 Thread robert zeidler

Another one must go!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290957348923?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Thanks for looking!  And thanks for all the nice compliments on the others 
I've been moving out.  I know this is mostly a steel/leather group, which I 
am too (mostly). But it's worth a look-see for anyone looking for a go-fast 
bike.

RGZ

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[RBW] Gilles Berthoud stainless steel vs SKS Chromoplastic fenders

2013-08-08 Thread LBleriot

I have Berhouds on my Bleriot, and can say that they look sharp and are very 
durable.  They are, however, a bear to fit and adjust.  I have SKS fenders on 
my San Marcos.  I find them them to be lighter and a doddle to fit.  They are 
not as rigid, of course, and tend vibrate a bit.  Both sets provide good 
coverage.  Berthouds are an investment both in time to fit and cost.

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[RBW] Re: Friction Brifter?

2013-08-08 Thread IanA

Have to agree that stem shifters are super convenient and can be had for 
small sums of money.  Old Suntour or Shimano with long levers work well and 
you can change gear for front or rear with either hand.  This is a low cost 
and excellent option, if the Kelly's or Retroshift weren't more your style.

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:16:20 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> +1 for stem shifters. I have Simplex Retrofriction mounted on Riv's 
> mounts, and it's pretty awesome. I use them with V-O Porteur bars so not a 
> direct comparison, but I would think reaching back in the same plane from 
> the hoods on drops would be better for you than the downward move to 
> bar-cons. 
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2013 6:50:08 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
>> Another possibility: Kelly Take Offs. IIRC, these were featured many 
>> moons ago in a RR.
>> http://kellybike.com/2nd_xtra_takeoff.html
>>
>> On Monday, August 5, 2013 6:13:41 AM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>> Those are a good suggestion. Cheaper would maybe be mount them to the 
>>> stem. 
>>
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[RBW] Gilles Berthoud stainless steel vs SKS Chromoplastic fenders

2013-08-08 Thread Jonathan Shinefeld

I run bikes with both. Both are flapped.  Berthouds are sturdier, longer and 
offer better coverage in the wet but no QR.  SKS are cheaper, work fine, have 
quick releases. If they do catch on something.  I can't imagine Berthoud stays 
coming loose without much trauma. (See recent Blug post).  I think the key to 
durability is is mounting fenders sans tension.  A nice single malt helps. 
Jon in Phily

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Re: [RBW] Alba Sam 25 mile ride "ruined"

2013-08-08 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Great photos.  I think you found an excellent way to ruin a ride.

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013, Michael wrote:

> Just some fun shots of ruins on a ride a coupla weeks ago on the Alba Sam.
>
> An abandoned looking bar and a 100 year old seminary:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157634819512093/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Rivendell Hugh,

I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting 
there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see 
your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of 
contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several 
Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for 
me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot 
commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the 
transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal 
with dark if I do it later).

I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I 
don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a 
largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into 
civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required 
to ensure restful sleep.

I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would like 
to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride slow. 
 un-racer.

Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get 
there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about these 
bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you that 
turn out.

Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened to 
wife).  Perhaps we should create a "proof that it happened" clump on flickr 
and post so other folks can enjoy.

Thank you,

Tom

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Agreed. So this is what I have:
>
> 9 riders total
> 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis & Me riding from Irvine.
> 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David Estes, 
> Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.
>
> Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to meet 
> in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting, Mitch 
> has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that his 
> ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking with 
> 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.
>
> So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single 
> track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us 
> some more statistics on the "No Tools" trail? Distance ect... Since SC is 
> so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we 
> want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you 
> stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.
>
> Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I 
> need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in 
> Oceanside & Carlsbad she may visit with.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>   
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart 
>>> time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work 
>>> for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it "to 
>>> crash the event". I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and 
>>> visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Sunland, Ca
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>
 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil  wrote:
 > This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am 
 going
 >
 > to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
 > happen.  After all, it is "S24O".  There must be some time I can find.
 > Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up 
 from
 > Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice 
 of
 > Hugh to propose this.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Tom
 >
 > On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 >>
 >> SoCal Rivesters,
 >>
 >> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near
 >>
 >> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's
 >> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could 
 either
 >> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride
 >>
 >> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a
 >>
 >> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we

[RBW] Frame trivia; Squeezed chainstays and double-tapered seatstays; Ram v. AHH

2013-08-08 Thread mho

Years ago the Ram was touted as having beautifully squeezed chainstays (to 
clear fatter tires and the big chainring) and custom made double-tapered 
seatstays (in 3 different lengths).
Did these features make it over to the AHH design?  What say ye, AHH owners?

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Re: [RBW] Tires/Wheels for new Sam Hillborne

2013-08-08 Thread Eli Daniel

I have a 56 Sam with 37mm Soma New Express tires under longboards, and
there's plenty more room. If the Marathons are really 3mm fatter, I'd
think it would be fine.

-Eli

On Aug 6, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Mark Taintor  wrote:

> I have a new 56 cm Sam that's going to be built up in the next week or so, 
> and I've got a couple questions about tires and wheels for it:
>
> 1. I'll be putting on Longboard fenders and was wondering if 40 mm Marathon 
> Supremes would work with them. Would it be better to run the 35 mm Supremes? 
> I know there's clearance for 40 mm tires on the Hillborne but don't know if 
> that is with/without fenders.
>
> 2. Anybody ever put 650B wheels on a 56 Sam? Looking on the Riv website at 
> the page for the Betty Foy, it says that the Betty and the Sam can take the 
> same volume tires. The Betty mostly uses 650B wheels. As of now I'm planning 
> on 700c wheels, but am intrigued with 650B. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

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[RBW] Talk about beausage!

2013-08-08 Thread futch

http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/

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[RBW] Potential Sale of my 56cm Sam Hillborne

2013-08-08 Thread Larry H

Rivendell has been running a few frame specials recently and I'm 
potentially picking up a 54cm Hunq.  I don't think I can really afford to 
build up another bike so I'm thinking of taking parts of my Sam Hillborne 
and selling that frame.

Is there anyone interested in a Sam that is about 1 year old?  It is the 
blue version with twin top tube.  Fairly light use with less than 1000 
miles total.  A few light scratches.  I would sell it with the headset, 
bottom bracket, Tektro sidepulls, Kalloy seat post.  I can add a single leg 
kickstand, Microshift front derailer, and cream longboard fenders to the 
sale.  Possibly include the 40mm Schwalbe Dureme tires as I would go wider 
on the Hunq.

I will consider offers but I'm looking to get around $1,000.

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty


>
> I fret over my bikes, too. But then you ask the questions, and then you 
> learn, and then you know the answers for the next time. It is fun to learn 
> about bikes.
>
 
For instance: By calling RBW you can learn the size your seat tube is 
supposed to be and how to measure it, which isn't available on a geometry 
chart online yet because I believe this 55 is a new size. Then you can 
measure it for fun and see for yourself if they sent you the correct size 
(or not).
 
I am sure they sent you the right size, though.
 
Post some pics of your lovely new frame if poss. Congrats and enjoy!
 
 

>  
>

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[RBW] WTS: Red 650b Hetres WTB: Albastache and Black Hetres

2013-08-08 Thread Eric Stocker

Hey everyone,

I'm looking for a set of Nitto Albastache bars and a set of Grand Bois 
Hetres in BLACK

I'm selling or trading the following:
Nitto Randonneur bars 42cm - $30 
Nitto Noodles 44cm  - $30
Salsa Woodchipper bars - $50
Grand Bois Hetre in Red/Tan (nearly brand new, less than 100 miles) - $55 
Grand Bois Cypres 32mm tires - (only for trade for set of Hetres)

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: AHH 2.0 w/ Modern Looking Nitto Rack

2013-08-08 Thread Brian Campbell

I bought about 10ft. of Schmidt lighting wire from Peter White, as the 
Supernova tail light wire was not long enough. I did the slpice near the 
rear of the bike and hid it behind the non-drive side chainstay, attached 
with zip ties. I mounted my quick disconnect on the front rack, it was the 
easiest place to hide it.

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:31:48 PM UTC-4, SMP wrote:
>
> Ah I see, so you already had the B&M taillight on hand.
>
> Did the taillight come with enough wiring to route all the way down the 
> frame and fender, or did you have to buy any extension?  I know you 
> mentioned using the Supernova quick disconnects... I was thinking of doing 
> the same, because I have S&S couplers.  (Might as well make everything 
> breakable in half, right? Including the dynamo wiring)
>
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 1:35:52 AM UTC+2, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Here are a couple of bad photos of how I did it.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76454470@N05/8358830287/
>>
>> It was a pretty simple job and I did not get worked up about it being 
>> "pro" level work. I removed the existing light's internals, sawed the 
>> Supernova tail light mounting tabs off so it would fit inside the housing, 
>> ran the wire out the back and used a heavy duty 2 part epoxy to attach the 
>> light the the back plate of the housing. after the epoxy cured. I 
>> surrounded the light w/ silicone to take up some dead space and to help 
>> adhere the light as well.
>>
>> Since I run my wire's externally, I ran the wire over the fender and down 
>> the fender stay.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 5, 2013 12:56:19 PM UTC-4, SMP wrote:
>>>
>>> What a timely post!  I am actually in the same dilemma, where I have a 
>>> Supernova up front, and wanted to get a fender-mounted taillight.  Alas, I 
>>> only recently came to realize that my headlight is only compatible with a 
>>> Supernova tail light.  I had no idea you could place the Supernova 
>>> taillight into B&M housing.  Do you have any up-close photos or a 'how to' 
>>> of this setup?
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 5, 2013 3:50:50 AM UTC+2, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I made some changes to my AHH. I finally caved in to function over form 
 and swapped the Paul Racer brakes for long reach Tektros. I will be using 
 this for commuting a couple of days a week, now that I have changed jobs. 
 I 
 added the Nitto R-26 rear rack, SON 28 wide body hub in Open Pro, (Peter 
 White built) and put a Supernova tail light in the Busch & Mueller tail 
 light housing. I was unaware, previously, that the Supernova headlight and 
 taillight were a matched pair and had to be used toghther.  Ran the wiring 
 along the front rack w/ Supernova quick disconnects.

 The rack works fine with my size 11.5 feet and my Arkel Utility Basket 
 rear bags. I do wish I could mount it lower without havint to cut it but 
 the mounting tang gets hung up on the rear quick release. I mat still make 
 the cut in the future, we'll see. Hope this link works.

 http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/media/AHH/090_zps90e4fca5.jpg.html?sort=2&o=0

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[RBW] Re: AHH 2.0 w/ Modern Looking Nitto Rack

2013-08-08 Thread Brian Campbell

Confirming, yes that is an Acorn bag.


On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:42:17 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> answering out of turn, I believe it is in fact an Acorn Boxy Rando bag.  
>
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:05:25 PM UTC-5, David Hays wrote:
>>
>> Is that an Acorn Boxy Rando bag on the front rack?
>> David
>>
>> On Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:50:50 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> I made some changes to my AHH. I finally caved in to function over form 
>>> and swapped the Paul Racer brakes for long reach Tektros. I will be using 
>>> this for commuting a couple of days a week, now that I have changed jobs. I 
>>> added the Nitto R-26 rear rack, SON 28 wide body hub in Open Pro, (Peter 
>>> White built) and put a Supernova tail light in the Busch & Mueller tail 
>>> light housing. I was unaware, previously, that the Supernova headlight and 
>>> taillight were a matched pair and had to be used toghther.  Ran the wiring 
>>> along the front rack w/ Supernova quick disconnects.
>>>
>>> The rack works fine with my size 11.5 feet and my Arkel Utility Basket 
>>> rear bags. I do wish I could mount it lower without havint to cut it but 
>>> the mounting tang gets hung up on the rear quick release. I mat still make 
>>> the cut in the future, we'll see. Hope this link works.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/media/AHH/090_zps90e4fca5.jpg.html?sort=2&o=0
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires/Wheels for new Sam Hillborne

2013-08-08 Thread Mark Taintor

Thanks for all your thoughts everyone. I've been convinced to stay with the
700c wheels that it was designed for.

Now as to my other question, 40mm Supremes vs 35mm Supremes? Any reason to
pick one over the other?
Mark



On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, William  wrote:

> Good one, Steve, and excellent point.
>
> If you decide that you don't mind the fact that you can't equip your bike
> with brakes in 1) then you could work around the too low BB in 2) by
> running too short cranks.  Best of all, run no cranks or BB at all, since
> you'll probably want your feet on the ground anyway to provide Fred
> Flintstone braking.  You could make it into an adult sized skuut bike!
>  That would be fun!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>  On 08/07/2013 12:53 PM, William wrote:
>>
>> You can not run 650B wheels on a 700C Sam Hillborne.  The reasons are
>> threefold
>>
>>
>>  2.  Drop.  Grant already dialed the frame design of the Hillborne for
>> 700xfat tires.  Among those things that are dialed is the BB drop.  Run
>> smaller diameter wheels, and *your already low BB height will be in true
>> pedal-scraping territory. * Virtually all recent 700c Rivendells are
>> lousy candidates for 650B conversion for that reason.  The roadier Riv
>> models of several years ago are good candidates because they were designed
>> for 700xskinny and have less drop.
>>
>>
>> ...unless you use very short cranks.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

What a great bike camping "adventure" narrative.  I have bike camped before 
but am going on my first S24O with Riv oriented folks on the 23th (San 
Mateo Campground).  I am looking forward to the experience.  I hope this 
bunch likes "various cheese, bread, sausage, fabulous pastry" and 
"spirituous beverages".  I "rode" my route using Google Maps Street view 
and have a plan for points of interest where I might do "provisioning" of 
such "comida" and liquid refreshment.  Have to see what room is left in the 
Sackville bags, but I will find a way.

You and your fellow riders rock.

Tom

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Every time I read about one of Manny's adventures, I think to myself, 
> "Wow, that's too hard for me, glad I didn't do that one." But Jim 
> Warren asked if I were going to ride this one, and then I wanted to 
> reward myself for finishing up some programs, so somehow on Monday 
> morning, there I was at the Mountain View train station, waiting to 
> take the train to San Francisco and adventure. 
>
> You dudes with all that upper body strength don't have to worry about 
> this, but I was worried about even getting my loaded bike onto 
> Caltrain. The bike cars I'd been on in the past have four very steep 
> steps you have to carry your bike up. I was afraid I wouldn't be able 
> to do that. (For good reason, as I found out the next day.) But, 
> happily, the bike car that arrived was a different sort, where the 
> rider just had to lift the bike up one tiny step. 
>
> And, at nine in the morning, there were a whole bunch of cyclists 
> waiting to do just that. As there were also a whole bunch of cyclists 
> already on the train, embarking resembled a game of Bike Tetris, with 
> bikes and riders crammed in the aisles, and much shifting at each 
> station. Fortunately the other cyclists were patient with me and my 
> difficulties maneuvering a bike loaded up with rear panniers in the 
> cramped quarters. 
>
> By the time we got to San Mateo where Jim Warren was to board the 
> train, the herd had thinned and he was able to find a space with no 
> difficulties. Once in San Francisco we went on to the Ferry Building 
> and Pier 1 to meet up with the famous Manny and the other riders. The 
> Ferry Building is foodie heaven; we stopped there for a bite to eat, 
> and to get some provender for the ride. Manny pooh-poohed the idea 
> that we needed food, but was overruled. I had awoken early to finish 
> packing, ride to the train to take the hour and a half trip-- 
> breakfast was a distant memory by that time. 
>
> We proceeded through San Francisco, over the bridge (which sucked, as 
> usual) and down through Sausalito, where we stopped at a bike shop. 
> Sadly, none of us could fit in the handsome wool tweed riding breeches 
> that were on sale-- perhaps no other riders could, either, and that's 
> why they were on sale. 
>
> We continued on to Mill Valley, for another stop, to meet another 
> rider,  for a cheese and fruit snack and for purchase of more food, 
> some to eat then, some to bring, plus various beverages of an 
> alcoholic nature. Manny pooh-poohed  the idea that we would need 
> anything for breakfast, saying that we'd have a downhill trip from our 
> campsite to the Pelican Inn where we would be able to have coffee. I 
> like coffee at breakfast but I like breakfast food as well, so I 
> nevertheless brought food, as did others. When you read the 
> description of the next day's ride, you will notice that there were no 
> places at all to get food. So, if you are on a ride with Manny, it 
> can't hurt to bring extra food, as indeed he always does. 
>
> Now it was time to start the dirt... and the ride was pretty much all 
> dirt from then on, until we got back to the Bridge the next day. We 
> started up the east side of Old Railroad Grade.  The trail was 
> fire-road width, not too steep, but the surface is sharp pointy rocks. 
> I was glad I had installed the Marathon 1.6 tires on the bike, but 
> realized as I jounced around on the rocks that 75 psi was way too much 
> air. I kept letting out more and more air. 
>
> On our way up, we met up with our last rider. Now we were seven, with 
> four Atlanti, Jim's Hunqa, a Hilsen and another fine non-Riv entrant. 
> Of our four Atlanti, three were the original green (mine is purple) 
> but only one of our forks was the original color: we had a 
> kaleidoscope of green, purple, orange and blue. Odd.  (And I'm sure 
> Manny will have pictures to prove this.) 
>
> At West Point Inn, at the top, I was thinking that the climb would 
> have been iffy with narrow tires. But then, who should arrive at the 
> top but a fit-looking Bridgestone RB-3 (?) rider on narrow tires. 
> Clearly, this dude was a skilled rider to be able to navigate the 
> rocky surface without getting pinch flats. We all stood around for a 
> while appreciating each others' bikes, then descended to the 
> campground. 
>
> The ca

[RBW] Re: H. Homer Hilsen goes to the North Country. A ride report and flick link

2013-08-08 Thread blueride2

 The Kancamagus highway is a great road! Never had the pleasure of cycling 
there, but have driven it many times. Nice blog post,reminds me how much I miss 
the North woods. I spent my youth climbing the White mountains in summer, and 
skiing them in the winter.

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[RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-08 Thread Ozonation

I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar

I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but 
would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa 
Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively 
long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was 
thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.

However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and 
this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I 
just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or 
Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on 
rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more 
MTB style) would be best.

I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they for 
longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of 
Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good 
reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what 
looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos! 

Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of 
lends the above. 

Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? 
Albatross? Other? 

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

2013-08-08 Thread blueride2

Very interesting article. I wonder how he shaved the tread ?

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[RBW] Looking for 62cm Quickbeam

2013-08-08 Thread jeremy smith

After seeing that 64cm QB go by (which was a hair too big for my stubby
legs), I've decided I want a QB of my own.

Anyone holding?

-Jeremy
www.cedarcycling.com / @cedarcycling on the internets

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-08 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Just made my reservation for a 11 am arrival in Irvine on Friday the 23rd.
What a great way to end the summer!

Peace,

Curtis

On Thursday, August 8, 2013, hsmitham wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in
> the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North
> to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or
> 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts?
>
> Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just
> thought I'd mention it.
>
> Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
> Surf liner. Thanks in advance.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, Ca
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[RBW] FS: 56 cm Waterford Hillborne frameset, lots of Riv-related parts and bits

2013-08-08 Thread gordo

Hi all,

Grad school is starting in two weeks and I need to move some things to pay
for books. I'd really prefer to sell the Hillborne and Miyata framesets,
as well as the wheels locally (I'm in San Francisco). Everything else can
be shipped if need be - please add $5 to cover shipping (we can works
something out for multiple items). Pictures of most items can be found
here:
http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/gordo2231/library/grad%20school%20sale%20bike%20parts?page=1

The list:

1) 56 cm orange Rivendell Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset/bottom
bracket/Kalloy seatpost. Built by Waterford (double top tube model with
cantilever posts). Paint has issues - lots of non-matching touch-up paint
and a few decent scratches provided by previous owner. The frame is
straight and dent/crack-free with about 2,500 miles on it. - $700

2) Brooks B67 Aged saddle (brown) with maybe 100 miles on it - $80

3) Rivendell Silver bar-end shifters - $50

4) Tektro R536 sidepull brakes with recessed mounts (appear to have been
mounted and barely used) - $30

5) Rivendell Silver sidepull brakes with recessed mounts - just checked and
the pads have plenty of life left - $60

6) Nitto Technomic 110 mm quill stem with 26 mm clamp - $35

7) daVinci shifter cable splitter set-up - new in bag - $25

8) Cockpit: Nitto technomic 90 mm stem with 26 mm clamp, 44 cm Nitto Noodle
handlebars, Silver bar-ends and Shimano Tiagra aero levers wrapped in very
well-used Toshi leather tape: $125 local sale or $140 shipped

9) Front wheel - SON dynamo hub (older style no longer made in 32-hole
configuration) laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 32-hole rim with rimtape and
locking skewer (handbuilt with very low mileage): $250

10) Front wheel - Shimano LX 36-hole front hub laced to 700c Velocity Dyad
rim with rim tape and Shimano quick-release skewer (handbuilt and very
lightly used): $75

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[RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)


These wonderful narratives and the great images offer a pleasurable glimpse 
into the "bike" memories you folks accumulated.

Going on my first S25O with Riv oriented folks in two weeks and this makes 
the anticipation all the greater.

Thank you,

Tom


On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Every time I read about one of Manny's adventures, I think to myself, 
> "Wow, that's too hard for me, glad I didn't do that one." But Jim 
> Warren asked if I were going to ride this one, and then I wanted to 
> reward myself for finishing up some programs, so somehow on Monday 
> morning, there I was at the Mountain View train station, waiting to 
> take the train to San Francisco and adventure. 
>
> You dudes with all that upper body strength don't have to worry about 
> this, but I was worried about even getting my loaded bike onto 
> Caltrain. The bike cars I'd been on in the past have four very steep 
> steps you have to carry your bike up. I was afraid I wouldn't be able 
> to do that. (For good reason, as I found out the next day.) But, 
> happily, the bike car that arrived was a different sort, where the 
> rider just had to lift the bike up one tiny step. 
>
> And, at nine in the morning, there were a whole bunch of cyclists 
> waiting to do just that. As there were also a whole bunch of cyclists 
> already on the train, embarking resembled a game of Bike Tetris, with 
> bikes and riders crammed in the aisles, and much shifting at each 
> station. Fortunately the other cyclists were patient with me and my 
> difficulties maneuvering a bike loaded up with rear panniers in the 
> cramped quarters. 
>
> By the time we got to San Mateo where Jim Warren was to board the 
> train, the herd had thinned and he was able to find a space with no 
> difficulties. Once in San Francisco we went on to the Ferry Building 
> and Pier 1 to meet up with the famous Manny and the other riders. The 
> Ferry Building is foodie heaven; we stopped there for a bite to eat, 
> and to get some provender for the ride. Manny pooh-poohed the idea 
> that we needed food, but was overruled. I had awoken early to finish 
> packing, ride to the train to take the hour and a half trip-- 
> breakfast was a distant memory by that time. 
>
> We proceeded through San Francisco, over the bridge (which sucked, as 
> usual) and down through Sausalito, where we stopped at a bike shop. 
> Sadly, none of us could fit in the handsome wool tweed riding breeches 
> that were on sale-- perhaps no other riders could, either, and that's 
> why they were on sale. 
>
> We continued on to Mill Valley, for another stop, to meet another 
> rider,  for a cheese and fruit snack and for purchase of more food, 
> some to eat then, some to bring, plus various beverages of an 
> alcoholic nature. Manny pooh-poohed  the idea that we would need 
> anything for breakfast, saying that we'd have a downhill trip from our 
> campsite to the Pelican Inn where we would be able to have coffee. I 
> like coffee at breakfast but I like breakfast food as well, so I 
> nevertheless brought food, as did others. When you read the 
> description of the next day's ride, you will notice that there were no 
> places at all to get food. So, if you are on a ride with Manny, it 
> can't hurt to bring extra food, as indeed he always does. 
>
> Now it was time to start the dirt... and the ride was pretty much all 
> dirt from then on, until we got back to the Bridge the next day. We 
> started up the east side of Old Railroad Grade.  The trail was 
> fire-road width, not too steep, but the surface is sharp pointy rocks. 
> I was glad I had installed the Marathon 1.6 tires on the bike, but 
> realized as I jounced around on the rocks that 75 psi was way too much 
> air. I kept letting out more and more air. 
>
> On our way up, we met up with our last rider. Now we were seven, with 
> four Atlanti, Jim's Hunqa, a Hilsen and another fine non-Riv entrant. 
> Of our four Atlanti, three were the original green (mine is purple) 
> but only one of our forks was the original color: we had a 
> kaleidoscope of green, purple, orange and blue. Odd.  (And I'm sure 
> Manny will have pictures to prove this.) 
>
> At West Point Inn, at the top, I was thinking that the climb would 
> have been iffy with narrow tires. But then, who should arrive at the 
> top but a fit-looking Bridgestone RB-3 (?) rider on narrow tires. 
> Clearly, this dude was a skilled rider to be able to navigate the 
> rocky surface without getting pinch flats. We all stood around for a 
> while appreciating each others' bikes, then descended to the 
> campground. 
>
> The campground seemed oddly wet. Hmm... I didn't think it had rained, 
> but our campsite was muddy. Oh well. We set up camp, and stuffed 
> ourselves with various cheese, bread, sausage, fabulous pastry and 
> other good stuff people brought. And then it was dinner time, but 
> having eaten all that other food, I didn't feel like eating the

Re: [RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-08 Thread James Warren

It was.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 8, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds like one of those trips that we all hope our next trip will be 
> like... some struggles, some new territory, great company, and happy 
> discoveries.
> 
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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-08 Thread Cecily Walker

This photo provided one of the best laughs I've had all day. 

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:55:54 PM UTC-7, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> Man, who doesn't love squirrel story? I was out early one morning last 
> summer and I turned onto a steep but short downhill ... steep like the kind 
> where if you lay off the brakes your going over 25 (+) within a few 
> seconds. Right then, out of the corner of my eye I saw a small animal shoot 
> out of the bushes straight at me on an angle and before I could even 
> process the thought "oh shit, I'm dead" the thing (squirrel, it turns 
> out) grazed my foot and miraculously skirted in between my wheels!!! Now, I 
> know I didn't run him over but apparently, the little guy had what you'd 
> call a close shave!
>
> pictures proved it happened: (hopefully attached)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:10:12 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this 
>> morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a 
>> tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent 
>> shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a 
>> friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably 
>> unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.  
>>
>> On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri 
>> doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?


>
> I checked the Permatex website and looks like Formagasket 1 is hard 
> drying. Formagasket 2 is gooey drying.
>
 
Based on the Permatex descriptions and looking around online, 1A,1B, and 
1C and their corresponding item numbers seem to mean tube sizes:
1A is like 1.5oz., 1B is  3oz, 1C is 11 oz. That's the only diffs I can 
read and determine from what I have seen. If anyone knows better please 
chime in.
 
Ha ha! Funny how when you take on a project that isn't in your line of 
experience, you run into small stuff like this that wastes time trying to 
figure out, and sometimes it doesn't amount to anything anyway. But you 
have to get to the bottom of it just to be safe/sure. Wouldn't want to ruin 
the new 30$ cork grips or have them fail because I used the wrong goo.
 
The people at Rivendell must chuckle at us and all our green-horn bike 
talking and queries about projects we are doing (for those of us that are 
green horns in bike mechanics like me).
 
But it is fun to learn. I can do a whole lot more on my bikes now than I 
ever could before. Saves cash that woulda been paid to the LBS for labor. 
Now I can use it to buy more stuff for the bikes. Ha ha!

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-08 Thread Cecily Walker

I feel idiotic asking that question, and debated whether I should. I'm not 
a parent, but in some ways it reminds me of some of my friends who fretted 
over every little thing when they first became parents. 

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:06:00 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> "Is this normal?"
>
> Without wheels, seat, handlebars, etc., a bicycle is pretty small.  Trust 
> Keven.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled 
>> about completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides 
>> together. 
>>
>> There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
>> before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
>> little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
>> recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 
>>
>> Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 
>>
>> Cecily
>> Vancouver, BC
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-08 Thread hsmitham

Gentlemen,

Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in 
the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North 
to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or 
5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts? 

Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just thought 
I'd mention it.

Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-08 Thread dougP

"Is this normal?"

Without wheels, seat, handlebars, etc., a bicycle is pretty small.  Trust 
Keven.

dougP

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about 
> completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides together. 
>
> There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
> before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
> little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
> recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 
>
> Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 
>
> Cecily
> Vancouver, BC
>

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Re: [RBW] Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-08 Thread Dan McNamara

Frames look small without the wheels and bars. Especially one without a top 
tube. Pretty easy to measure and make sure though. 

Hope you enjoy the build and the bike. 

Dan

-Marin 

On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Cecily Walker  wrote:

> Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about 
> completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides together. 
> 
> There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
> before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a little 
> surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as recommended by 
> Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 
> 
> Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 
> 
> Cecily
> Vancouver, BC
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Re: [RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

Jeffery great shot, between the wheels!?!  That was a lucky critter!



On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:55 PM, jeffrey kane  wrote:

> Man, who doesn't love squirrel story? I was out early one morning last
> summer and I turned onto a steep but short downhill ... steep like the kind
> where if you lay off the brakes your going over 25 (+) within a few
> seconds. Right then, out of the corner of my eye I saw a small animal shoot
> out of the bushes straight at me on an angle and before I could even
> process the thought "oh shit, I'm dead" the thing (squirrel, it turns
> out) grazed my foot and miraculously skirted in between my wheels!!! Now, I
> know I didn't run him over but apparently, the little guy had what you'd
> call a close shave!
>
> pictures proved it happened: (hopefully attached)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:10:12 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this
>> morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a
>> tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent
>> shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a
>> friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably
>> unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.
>>
>> On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri
>> doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!
>>
>> Tony
>>
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[RBW] FS: Grip Kings, MUSA Large pants, Power Grips pedal straps

2013-08-08 Thread Sean Cleary

Items are all in excellent, hardly used condition:

Grip Kings have "pedal spikes" installed (easily removed) and a few extra holes 
for more. Grip is vastly improved, in fact, I removed half the spikes that I 
originally installed, they work so well. $40. 

Large butternut color pants have zipper pulls removed, they were too noisy. 
Zipper works fine without. $50. 

Power Grip pedal straps work extremely well and tan looks great on cream accent 
Rivendell bikes. Argyle pattern shown is only on one side-I used the plain side 
with no graphics.   

All items include shipping to lower 48 states.

Photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/with/9467606201/

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[RBW] Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-08 Thread Cecily Walker

Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about 
completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides together. 

There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 

Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 

Cecily
Vancouver, BC

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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-08 Thread Sean Cleary

I didn't want to buy a tube of $10 adhesive just to secure a $20ish grip so I 
checked what was on hand. Super strength double stick tape: too thick to get 
grip on bar. Hot glue: stuck momentary but then broke free. Weather strip 
adhesive: light layer sorta held so gooed on some more and wa-la! Still working 
one month layer.

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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-08 Thread LF

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:34:11 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Hi Y'all,
>  
> Getting ready to put cork grips on my Albas and was wondering what 
> everyone uses and how long you have to wait after applying to ride on them. 
> Thanks for the info.
>

Michael,
I found great success with a HOT GLUE GUN.  The trick is to squirt some hot 
glue into the grip, then put it straight on to the handlebar.  If you twist 
the grip, the bond will be too weak. Once the glue dries, you will not be 
able to twist the grip.   This way, if you ever want to remove the cork 
grips, or even use them on a different bike, you can. 
L 

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread RJM

I have a 48cm Sam, 650b wheels and feel the bike is very stable and does 
really well going down hills, especially in the twisties. I noticed on my 
ride yesterday, where I was pushing myself on the bike pretty hard and 
coming to a section with quite a few twists in the road, at one point 
I felt myself put countersteer into the handlebars to get the bike to turn 
tightly on one of the turns. It was just more noticeable at that time and I 
would say I conciously did it. This maybe due to the fact that it was a 
really tight turn, I was riding pretty fast and my hands were in the drops. 
I don't know, but I remember it being different from the other turns I went 
through and I was thinking about what I had to do to get the bike to go 
where I wanted it to. 

I didn't have any bags or racks on the bike at that time, just a small tool 
roll on the saddle. I ride on pari moto tires pumped up to 70lbs and am 
using dyad rims. 

I used to ride a Trek Madone and I remember the bike was quicker handling 
and not as good when going downhill.  The Sam is not as lively handling as 
a race bike like the trek, but that kind of stability is what I really want 
out of a Riv like the Sam.

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:51:36 PM UTC-5, hangtownmatt wrote:

> I've got just under 6,000 miles on my new to me Sam Hillborne.  Sometimes 
> I'll be heading into a turn and it seems like the darn thing just won't go 
> where I want it to go!  I'm not complaining because I know the solution.  
> If I consciously rotate my hips in the direction I want to go it performs 
> admirably, but for me this is a conscious decision because my other bikes 
> didn't handle like this; at least not as dramatically  Don't get me wrong, 
> I really enjoy this bike, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same 
> experience.  And if so, do you know what causes it?
>
> Matt
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

Dangerous critters: www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/4906131745/

On 8/8/13, dougP  wrote:
> Most critters have really tough hide & contrary to what one may think,
> bicycle spokes will not slice thru it.  Catch a critter in your wheel & you
>
> are going down.  So best to avoid them for your own sake as well as theirs.
>
> I've noticed that especially in springtime squirrels seem to play a game of
>
> "how close to the bike can we get" that's a bit unnerving.  One theory is
> that they are young males out to prove themselves.  The will sit up, on the
>
> side of the road as you approach, and dart out across the road.  I had one
> try it, thinking I was going to hit him, I braked hard, he stopped, then
> darted behind my front wheel, only to get hit by the rear.  A rider some
> ways behind me reported that he did continue across the road, but seemed a
> bit the worse for the contact.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:18:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> cycling is not a blood sport
>>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:40:48 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I'd be ok too if I was run over by two fluffy pillows...
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-08 Thread dougP

Most critters have really tough hide & contrary to what one may think, 
bicycle spokes will not slice thru it.  Catch a critter in your wheel & you 
are going down.  So best to avoid them for your own sake as well as theirs.

I've noticed that especially in springtime squirrels seem to play a game of 
"how close to the bike can we get" that's a bit unnerving.  One theory is 
that they are young males out to prove themselves.  The will sit up, on the 
side of the road as you approach, and dart out across the road.  I had one 
try it, thinking I was going to hit him, I braked hard, he stopped, then 
darted behind my front wheel, only to get hit by the rear.  A rider some 
ways behind me reported that he did continue across the road, but seemed a 
bit the worse for the contact.  

dougP

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:18:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> cycling is not a blood sport
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:40:48 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> I think I'd be ok too if I was run over by two fluffy pillows...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-08 Thread dougP

Well documented.  And you weren't kidding about the fog!  Sure a lot of 
long sleeves, long pants, vests, etc., in those pix.  I recall Andy totaled 
his fork a while ago but I had no idea the replacement was 
so.colorful.  Esteban looked to have the absolute minimalist set-up 
there.  One of the fun things about seeing photos from these adventures is 
all the different ways people sort out carrying their gear.  And it all 
works.  Now I'm really stoked about our August 23rd trip to San Mateo.  

dougP

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 11:37:37 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Great time with amazing folks.
> Lovely that we had more people on this trip then on the Rumble last week. 
> When Mike and I talked about doing a trip, we both didn't realize how fast 
> it would come. 
> When the date rolled around and I realized I didn't have Mike' number I 
> figured the list was a good idea.
> Spurt of the moment camping trip led to seven folks from all coming by. I 
> was surprised that so many people didn't have work on a Monday.
>
> It was a pleasure as always to ride with great folks from this list. 
> Andy, who apparently I met before (at the last garage sale) but haven't 
> ridden with until now.
> Jim, who apparently is still having bike adventures as I type this before 
> school starts.
> Mike,  who apparently is expecting the third Rivendell Ramble for this 
> weekend.
> Esteban, who apparently sneaked on this RIVENDELL overnight with his Black 
> Sheep custom monstrosity AND alas no leather bags whatsoever.
> Gabe, who apparently just finished a camp out the day before in the Walnut 
> Creek area.
> And Anne, who apparently needed to be the word of reason, when it comes to 
> eating food at the appropriate times and sweet talking waiters to getting 
> coffee. As much as it may seem like she had a hard time, I think I can 
> speak for everyone there that she did fantastically considering that we 
> could barely see through the thick summer California fog.
>
> Pictures prove that summer never really happens in San Francisco:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHnc9Xd
>
> -Manny "Schools starts so soon" Acosta
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride in Vancouver BC: Country Bike in the City Ramble, Sunday August 11th

2013-08-08 Thread Christopher Chen

Readers are leaders.

Also, walking a your bike ain't no bad thing, either.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I've ridden with Shawn on his "Country Bike in the City" rides in
> Portland. Always a good time. Never technical. Not sure what his Vancouver
> route is like, but he's a good ride leader and route scouter. The raciest
> of bikes may require walking for a short stretch at some point, but I
> wouldn't let that deter you from attending. Plus Shawn's a reader and often
> has interesting tid bits to share about this and that along the route.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:46:59 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rivsters-
>>
>> I'm heading up to Vancouver for the weekend to catch the tail-end of
>> Velopalooza. http://**velopalooza.ca/ 
>> And because I'm me, I decided to hold a "Country Bike in the City Ramble"
>> when I'm there! Hope to see some of you Lower Mainland folks there.
>>
>> Here are the pertinent details:
>> *Rough Stuff "Country Bike in the City" Ramble*
>> Sunday, August 11, 11:00am - 4:00pm. Meet at 11am, depart at 11:30am.
>> Meet At: Volunteer Park, 2855 Point Grey Road (Near the intersection of W
>> 1st Ave and Macdonald St.)
>>
>> A 20 to 30 km ramble exploring the "country" aspects in the city while
>> riding "Country" bikes. Expect a good deal of gravel/dirt action, climbs
>> (you can walk it if you have to), and places you may not have thought to
>> exist. We'll have food/picnic breaks along the way. Ride a bike geared
>> towards comfort, not speed, and one that can handle off-road elements.
>> Moderate pace, no one left behind. Lycra and carbon, no, shellac and
>> seersucker, yes. Ride not a loop.
>>
>> yours,
>> Shawn
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride in Vancouver BC: Country Bike in the City Ramble, Sunday August 11th

2013-08-08 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

I've ridden with Shawn on his "Country Bike in the City" rides in Portland. 
Always a good time. Never technical. Not sure what his Vancouver route is 
like, but he's a good ride leader and route scouter. The raciest of bikes 
may require walking for a short stretch at some point, but I wouldn't let 
that deter you from attending. Plus Shawn's a reader and often has 
interesting tid bits to share about this and that along the route. 

--Smitty


On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:46:59 PM UTC-7, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
> Hello Rivsters-
>
> I'm heading up to Vancouver for the weekend to catch the tail-end of 
> Velopalooza. http://velopalooza.ca/
> And because I'm me, I decided to hold a "Country Bike in the City Ramble" 
> when I'm there! Hope to see some of you Lower Mainland folks there.
>
> Here are the pertinent details:
> *Rough Stuff "Country Bike in the City" Ramble*
> Sunday, August 11, 11:00am - 4:00pm. Meet at 11am, depart at 11:30am.
> Meet At: Volunteer Park, 2855 Point Grey Road (Near the intersection of W 
> 1st Ave and Macdonald St.)
>
> A 20 to 30 km ramble exploring the "country" aspects in the city while 
> riding "Country" bikes. Expect a good deal of gravel/dirt action, climbs 
> (you can walk it if you have to), and places you may not have thought to 
> exist. We'll have food/picnic breaks along the way. Ride a bike geared 
> towards comfort, not speed, and one that can handle off-road elements. 
> Moderate pace, no one left behind. Lycra and carbon, no, shellac and 
> seersucker, yes. Ride not a loop.
>
> yours,
> Shawn
>
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[RBW] Re: Any last suggestions before I have to throw my Bleriot in a dumpster?

2013-08-08 Thread Kelly

Ok do this.. or at least this is what I would do... 

1.  Move saddle forward on seat post or back...just make a change and 
test - if still pain put it back
2. Raise / lower seat ... 
3. Raise / lower bars

If none if the individual test help then make combo's .. 1 and 2 the 2 and 
3 etc.  Always returning to beginning. 

When all the measuring and thinking don't work make a change... make it 
worse make it better just change it ;0

Kelly


On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:18:52 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> OK. Here is a difference I found between the bikes:
>  
>
>> Sam and Bleriot have same saddle heights (saddle top-bb center), *but*:
>> Sam cranks - *170mm*, MKS touring pedals with walking shoe (no back pain)
>> Bleriot cranks - *172.5mm*, MKS touring pedals with same walking shoe 
>> (ouch)
>>
>  Giant cranks - 172.5mm, but have used clipless much, much more than 
> Touring pedals on it. No pain. Clipless shoe also changes distance to pedal 
> since the sole/cleat is diferent thickness than walking shoe.
>  
> So:
>
>> This makes the saddle top to pedals 2.5mm further on the Bleriot than the 
>> Sam.
>> *Would this 2.5mm difference be enough to cause a low back pain problem?*
>> I rode this way fine for a coupla months when I first got the Bleriot 
>> with no probs. It was after those first months that the back pain started. 
>> Maybe cumulative and the back started complaining and still does?
>>
>  
> *Should I drop the saddle 2.5mm?* 
>
>>  
>>
>  
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread IPATOM

I think Joe Bernard is right.  I too have a single TT Sam and it handles 
more like a Mercedes sedan than a Porsche 911.  The Sam is definitely not 
twitchy but I like the feeling of stability I feel on fast descents with 
the Sam compared to descents I do on my titanium road bike. I think this 
type of handling is ideal for a versatile bike like the Sam.

> I've got just under 6,000 miles on my new to me Sam Hillborne.  Sometimes 
> I'll be heading into a turn and it seems like the darn thing just won't go 
> where I want it to go!  I'm not complaining because I know the solution.  
> If I consciously rotate my hips in the direction I want to go it performs 
> admirably, but for me this is a conscious decision because my other bikes 
> didn't handle like this; at least not as dramatically  Don't get me wrong, 
> I really enjoy this bike, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same 
> experience.  And if so, do you know what causes it?
>
> Matt
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: First Riv in the wild

2013-08-08 Thread William

I saw a pretty green vintage Rivendell (probably a road standard), locked 
(locked!) in front of Monterrey Market in Berkeley yesterday morning.  

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:27:04 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Riv-Spotting!  Awesome idea...  this might be a good 'sticky'!
>
> I caught sight of a gorgeous tall iridescent blue riv, white/cream 
> headtube and the headbage was the Rivendell 'RBW' one the gentleman 
> riding it was headed east into DC on the W&OD trail near Falls Church, VA. 
>  Looked like he was commuting and as I was out for a recreational ride the 
> other direction we didn't get to chat.  I was also riding my grey Trek so 
> it wouldn't have been 'riv on riv' anyway.  
>
> Still, very cool!
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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-08 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt

IIRC... the "A" sets hard.. experience has shown that it's easy to clean 
off the dried residue after removing grips. I think "B" sets soft. Never 
used "B" so not sure if the difference causes problems. I imagine either 
holds the grips on, but I do not know that. 

--Smitty


On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:55:32 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> I bought the Form a gasket 1B in the auto store today.
>>
> But don't know what the diff is between that and 1A.
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread hangtownmatt

Nope, just a small handlebar bag.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:02:20 AM UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>
> Do you have too much weight on the front, a rack and basket or some such?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:03 AM, john >wrote:
>
>> I have similar problems on my Hill (60cm, no 2x TT). I like to descend 
>> fast. When I do, if my hands aren't on the bars, I'll usually shimmy. Even 
>> if I am moving slowly, on the flats, my Hillborne almost always veers off 
>> course. Always to my right (when I'm seated on the bike, that is). I don't 
>> notice until I take hands off the bars. I've changed forks, weight 
>> distribution, tried a roller bearing headset... I've changed tire width, 
>> too. To no avail. The Hill is a good bike, but at least for me, it rides 
>> off true. Very frustrating. I think it's worth checking your alignment for 
>> trueness. Mine is now 4 years old and I don't want to go there again.
>> To answer: I don't know what causes it, but I think it's worth checking 
>> with an "expert" (Rivendell would be my choice) to make sure it's a true 
>> frame set. Mistakes in building happen. A small discrepancy could  make the 
>> bike ride off true.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:51:36 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got just under 6,000 miles on my new to me Sam Hillborne.  
>>> Sometimes I'll be heading into a turn and it seems like the darn thing just 
>>> won't go where I want it to go!  I'm not complaining because I know the 
>>> solution.  If I consciously rotate my hips in the direction I want to go it 
>>> performs admirably, but for me this is a conscious decision because my 
>>> other bikes didn't handle like this; at least not as dramatically  Don't 
>>> get me wrong, I really enjoy this bike, but I'm wondering if anyone else 
>>> has had the same experience.  And if so, do you know what causes it?
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?


>
> I bought the Form a gasket 1B in the auto store today.
>
But don't know what the diff is between that and 1A.
 

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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-08 Thread William

RoadieRyan

Was it possible you were trying to install 22.2mm grips onto 23.8mm bars?  

Anyway, Michael

Riv cork grips are 22.2mm and Albatross bars are 22.2mm.  I agree with Ryan 
that you should do a dryfit first, but it should be easy.  Mine slid on 
effortlessly when dry-fitting them.  Then I used a gaskety rubber material 
to put them on, like Andy suggested.  Days later I could still kind of 
rotate them like motorcycle throttle.  I didn't like that so I re-installed 
them with Gorilla Glue.  That stuck them in place, and I think I waited 
overnight.  Next time I had to get them off though, I couldn't.  I had to 
scrape them off and put on a new set when I was ready.  

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:42:56 PM UTC-7, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> Your Mileage my vary but my experience was I needed two sets of cork grips 
> to get one set successfully mounted, and the instructions that talked about 
> gluing them onto the bars... HA  I had to *grease *the bars to get the 
> $#)!@ things mounted.   Granted once they were mounted and had a coat of 
> shellac they did look pretty darn good .  My Advice - take it slow, have a 
> second set available, and don't use any glue until you have at least done a 
> dry fit.  More likely you will need some grease.
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:34:11 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Hi Y'all,
>>  
>> Getting ready to put cork grips on my Albas and was wondering what 
>> everyone uses and how long you have to wait after applying to ride on them. 
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?


>
> Hard to say if it is tires or not without trying a different set on the 
> bike.

 
But I will say that compared to my race bike, my Bleriot and the Sam are 
more stable riding and slower responding/handling bikes, which I like. They 
are very predictable and smooth handling.
 
Unlike the twitchy and more  unstable and unpredictable  feeling race bike 
I have.
 
If you are not familiar with riding Rivendells, it could be just the newer 
stable type handling of the bikes compared to the twitchy, fast  handling 
of race bikes you may be used to. 

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[RBW] Re: Tire bead won't seat/will unseat around valve area?

2013-08-08 Thread William

I've had tires with a mold-error where the bead is just flattened, and 
can't hook the rim properly.  I got them warrantied.  That doesn't mean 
that's what you have going on, but it is possible.  You'd easily be able to 
see it and feel it if the bead is messed up at the area where it is 
bulging.  

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:55:47 PM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I can't remember this being an issue in my more distant memory, but 
> recently, I've had a couple of tires form a bit of a hump around the valve 
> stem after installing, pumping up and riding for a bit. I look closely, and 
> the bead is slightly out of the rim, producing a faint bulge. Once it 
> happened right away, another it happened later into a longer ride.
>
> The tire that did this most recently is the Kevler-bead folding TG Pasela. 
> Front wheel. I was riding along, and realized the front wheel was going 
> bump bump bump..
>
> I'd like to think I install tires properly. Is this a common thing that 
> everyone knows about, I've just never come across before? Are there other 
> experiences out there similar to this? Are some tires more prone to 
> slipping out of the rim hook than others?
>
> KJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A few of my photos from (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-08 Thread Anne Paulson

Underbiker Mark was absolutely amazing. How did he get up that rocky
trail without a pinch flat on those narrow tires? Seriously, that
trail is a pinch flat waiting to happen, for most people. It's the
perfect argument for wide tires, in three dimensions. Mark was clearly
a very skilled rider, as well as being strong.

> One of my photos shows evidence of more Bridgestone juju to come our way.
> This very strong underbiker named Mark on a 1994 RB-1 rode up to West Point
> Inn, which means he climbed most of rocky Railroad Grade with skinny tires
> and classic (high) road bike gearing. It was impressive.


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[RBW] A few of my photos from (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-08 Thread James Warren

It was one of the best ways to spend two days. The people were tremendous as 
usual.

Caltrain was a good start, chatting with Anne. An eavesdropper would have 
learned a bit about hobo touring, if they could follow a conversation full of 
words like Nitto and Schwalbe 1.6 and Hoss bag. Like DougP down south, I learn 
a lot from Anne's wealth of touring experience.

Michael was a distinctive presence in the distance at the Ferry Building, 
looking every bit the classy tourist as I'm sure you see in the photos. Soon 
Esteban arrived with his backpack that was apparently infinitely cavernous; how 
did he get a tent and pad and sleeping bag in there? But he wasn't ready to go 
without a baguette sticking out the top. The Ferry Building fixed that. That 
baguette guided us to the campsite. When we saw Manny talking to Pedicab 
co-workers before joining us, I was convinced that he was going to make a few 
bucks and tote a few tourists along for the first mile or so of our tour. He 
had plenty of rear space for a person to ride a rear rack, since he carries 
EVERYTHING up front. Manny is the most frontloading US tourist I have seen.

By the way, http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157634988367622/

shows 9 photos.

The Ferry Building is the perfect place start a SF ride. You can start your 
ride with great food.

I could tell the stars were aligning on the way to Mill Valley: youth bike 
rally of some kind in Chrissy field graced by the presence of E's baguette, 
Golden Gate Bridge in full view, two Atlanti in different colors, stop at 
Sausalito Cyclery where a beautiful orange XO-1 rider zoomed by us. That had to 
be an illusion we all shared, right? I mean the bike that inspired the Atlantis 
appearing before a ride that would feature 4 Atlanti out of 7 and one 
Hunqapillar (which was made to sort of replace Toyo Atlanti)!

So how could the stars get more aligned: Andy M appears in Mill Valley! My 
friend and former So. CA native who, along with DougP, was my introduction to 
the So Cal Riv group 4 years ago. His Atlantis is looking good, surviving fork 
mishaps and still going strong. The orange fork is a sign of strength, 
experience, and activity.

The photo's not super, but you can see the public bike tool box that sits on 
Railroad Grade, with oil, tire repair stuff, a pump. Civilization!

Around this time, we met Gabe, the only rider I had not ridden with before. 
This man knows every trail in CA north of Pismo and is great fun to talk to.

One of my photos shows evidence of more Bridgestone juju to come our way. This 
very strong underbiker named Mark on a 1994 RB-1 rode up to West Point Inn, 
which means he climbed most of rocky Railroad Grade with skinny tires and 
classic (high) road bike gearing. It was impressive. He was pretty excited to 
see us with our Rivs and overnight stuff. He was a Bridgestone catalog nut like 
me, so we had some things to talk about, and Andy got involved and RB-1/7 vs. 
RB1/8 came up at least once. I was in heaven.

Finally, we got to Pantoll campsite with many hours to spare, so there was lots 
of time for high frivolity: Mike turning into the Hulk and shattering tree 
limbs for firewood, Esteban mimicking with comic effect, a raccoon crawling on 
our table since we left food out late, lots of fun conversation.

We said goodbye to Esteban at the campsite in the morning, he and I noting that 
it's not summer unless we meet for a campout with little to no planning. Summer 
almost didn't come this year, but then sure enough this ride materialized 
proving that the laws of nature are intact.

The morning road to Muir Beach from Mount Tam was on a single track I had been 
wanting to try, Coastal View Trail. Amazing. Then coffee, then we said goodbye 
to Andy. The remaining 5 had lots of outstanding Headlands climbing, on Green 
Gulch. Then Old Springs, then down Miwok, then tunnel.

After crossing the bridge, all went their separate ways with the exception of 
Michael and I who got pizza and beer for lunch. Great decision.

I then stayed out. I rode down to Pacifica, got a cheap room, cleaned up, 
rested, and planned Wednesday's ride. On Wednesday I rode down the coast with a 
long detour climb on Old San Pedro Mountain Road, then lunch in Half Moon Bay. 
Then I got back east via Purisma Creek Redwood Trail. Quite a day of riding. 
After Purisma, Kings Mountain took me down from Skyline to Woodside, then I 
hopped on the Redwood City Caltrain to bring me north to San Mateo where the 
ride began for me 50-some hours earlier.

Practical note: if you are using a huge saddlebag for camping, like the Hoss, 
or Sackville Large, with camping weight in it, the older Carradice Bagman is 
insufficient support. Mine began to fail on the last day. It didn't break, but 
I had to bend it back in shape and then use John's Irish Straps to pull the bag 
to the seat and take weight off the Bagman. Good thing I brought those straps 
or I would have had persistent problems with rac

[RBW] Re: Tire bead won't seat/will unseat around valve area?

2013-08-08 Thread Michael Hechmer

This why I like tubes with the threaded nuts; they hold the tube in place 
while inflating and prevent the tube from twisting.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:50:54 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> something else, make sure you don't push the stem in on a near-flat tire 
> when you inflate it.  Pull hard and hold it when you're attaching the pump 
> head.  The tube ballooning under itself inside the tire could lift the tire 
> bead.  
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:47:26 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I guess thats what happened, even though I checked the bead before 
>> inflating. It seemed to just push itself out.
>>
>> Anyways, It was a 25 mm tire in both cases. I'm guessing the jack browns 
>> that are due to arrive soon will be less prone to this behaviour. I've 
>> never experienced the humping on fatter tires, including the Pasela 35s and 
>> the Nomad 32s.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tire bead won't seat/will unseat around valve area?

2013-08-08 Thread Ron Mc

something else, make sure you don't push the stem in on a near-flat tire 
when you inflate it.  Pull hard and hold it when you're attaching the pump 
head.  The tube ballooning under itself inside the tire could lift the tire 
bead.  

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:47:26 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Yeah, I guess thats what happened, even though I checked the bead before 
> inflating. It seemed to just push itself out.
>
> Anyways, It was a 25 mm tire in both cases. I'm guessing the jack browns 
> that are due to arrive soon will be less prone to this behaviour. I've 
> never experienced the humping on fatter tires, including the Pasela 35s and 
> the Nomad 32s.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread Patrick Moore

That will do it on a Sam. I once put ~ 30 lb in front panniers, just to try
it, and I could literally hardly get the bike to turn.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Steven Frederick  wrote:

> Do you have too much weight on the front, a rack and basket or some such?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:03 AM, john  wrote:
>
>> I have similar problems on my Hill (60cm, no 2x TT). I like to descend
>> fast. When I do, if my hands aren't on the bars, I'll usually shimmy. Even
>> if I am moving slowly, on the flats, my Hillborne almost always veers off
>> course. Always to my right (when I'm seated on the bike, that is). I don't
>> notice until I take hands off the bars. I've changed forks, weight
>> distribution, tried a roller bearing headset... I've changed tire width,
>> too. To no avail. The Hill is a good bike, but at least for me, it rides
>> off true. Very frustrating. I think it's worth checking your alignment for
>> trueness. Mine is now 4 years old and I don't want to go there again.
>> To answer: I don't know what causes it, but I think it's worth checking
>> with an "expert" (Rivendell would be my choice) to make sure it's a true
>> frame set. Mistakes in building happen. A small discrepancy could  make the
>> bike ride off true.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:51:36 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got just under 6,000 miles on my new to me Sam Hillborne.
>>> Sometimes I'll be heading into a turn and it seems like the darn thing just
>>> won't go where I want it to go!  I'm not complaining because I know the
>>> solution.  If I consciously rotate my hips in the direction I want to go it
>>> performs admirably, but for me this is a conscious decision because my
>>> other bikes didn't handle like this; at least not as dramatically  Don't
>>> get me wrong, I really enjoy this bike, but I'm wondering if anyone else
>>> has had the same experience.  And if so, do you know what causes it?
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread Patrick Moore

I disliked enough things about my Sam Hill that I sold it, but turning in
particular, wasn't one of them. I ran JB Greens.


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:29 AM, hangtownmatt  wrote:

> Hey Michael,
>
> I suppose it could be the tires?  I'm running Schwalbe Marathon Supremes
> inflated to 45-55 psi.  These are the original tires so I can't compare to
> anything else.
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:05:18 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I sorta get wide turns outta mine, too. But I am no great bike handler.
>>
>>
>> I am using 44-584 Marathon tires.
>> What are you riding on?
>> I noticed that the Hetres on my Bleriot today turned corners very
>> effortlessly.
>>
>> I don't know if tire type is the issue or not.
>> But the Marathons look tall profile (rim to tread).
>> Whereas the Hetres look evenly round and shorter (rim to tread).
>> Both are about 40.5mm wide on Synergy rims.
>> Both sets are inflated to 55 PSI.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread Johnny Alien

I agree with those that say it is because of the design/geometry. I just read 
an article (I forget where) about how certain bike designs affect how 
responsive a bike is to turning using the handlebars vs your hips. 

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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-08 Thread Ron Mc

cycling is not a blood sport

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:40:48 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I think I'd be ok too if I was run over by two fluffy pillows...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread Steven Frederick

Do you have too much weight on the front, a rack and basket or some such?


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:03 AM, john  wrote:

> I have similar problems on my Hill (60cm, no 2x TT). I like to descend
> fast. When I do, if my hands aren't on the bars, I'll usually shimmy. Even
> if I am moving slowly, on the flats, my Hillborne almost always veers off
> course. Always to my right (when I'm seated on the bike, that is). I don't
> notice until I take hands off the bars. I've changed forks, weight
> distribution, tried a roller bearing headset... I've changed tire width,
> too. To no avail. The Hill is a good bike, but at least for me, it rides
> off true. Very frustrating. I think it's worth checking your alignment for
> trueness. Mine is now 4 years old and I don't want to go there again.
> To answer: I don't know what causes it, but I think it's worth checking
> with an "expert" (Rivendell would be my choice) to make sure it's a true
> frame set. Mistakes in building happen. A small discrepancy could  make the
> bike ride off true.
>
> J.
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:51:36 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>
>> I've got just under 6,000 miles on my new to me Sam Hillborne.  Sometimes
>> I'll be heading into a turn and it seems like the darn thing just won't go
>> where I want it to go!  I'm not complaining because I know the solution.
>> If I consciously rotate my hips in the direction I want to go it performs
>> admirably, but for me this is a conscious decision because my other bikes
>> didn't handle like this; at least not as dramatically  Don't get me wrong,
>> I really enjoy this bike, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same
>> experience.  And if so, do you know what causes it?
>>
>> Matt
>>
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RE: [RBW] La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-08 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Great report, Anne -- sounds like a wonderful ride.

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Subject: [RBW] La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

Every time I read about one of Manny's adventures, I think to myself, "Wow, 
that's too hard for me, glad I didn't do that one." But Jim Warren asked if I 
were going to ride this one, and then I wanted to reward myself for finishing 
up some programs, so somehow on Monday morning, there I was at the Mountain 
View train station, waiting to take the train to San Francisco and adventure.

You dudes with all that upper body strength don't have to worry about this, but 
I was worried about even getting my loaded bike onto Caltrain. The bike cars 
I'd been on in the past have four very steep steps you have to carry your bike 
up. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to do that. (For good reason, as I found 
out the next day.) But, happily, the bike car that arrived was a different 
sort, where the rider just had to lift the bike up one tiny step.

And, at nine in the morning, there were a whole bunch of cyclists waiting to do 
just that. As there were also a whole bunch of cyclists already on the train, 
embarking resembled a game of Bike Tetris, with bikes and riders crammed in the 
aisles, and much shifting at each station. Fortunately the other cyclists were 
patient with me and my difficulties maneuvering a bike loaded up with rear 
panniers in the cramped quarters.

By the time we got to San Mateo where Jim Warren was to board the train, the 
herd had thinned and he was able to find a space with no difficulties. Once in 
San Francisco we went on to the Ferry Building and Pier 1 to meet up with the 
famous Manny and the other riders. The Ferry Building is foodie heaven; we 
stopped there for a bite to eat, and to get some provender for the ride. Manny 
pooh-poohed the idea that we needed food, but was overruled. I had awoken early 
to finish packing, ride to the train to take the hour and a half trip-- 
breakfast was a distant memory by that time.

We proceeded through San Francisco, over the bridge (which sucked, as
usual) and down through Sausalito, where we stopped at a bike shop.
Sadly, none of us could fit in the handsome wool tweed riding breeches that 
were on sale-- perhaps no other riders could, either, and that's why they were 
on sale.

We continued on to Mill Valley, for another stop, to meet another rider,  for a 
cheese and fruit snack and for purchase of more food, some to eat then, some to 
bring, plus various beverages of an alcoholic nature. Manny pooh-poohed  the 
idea that we would need anything for breakfast, saying that we'd have a 
downhill trip from our campsite to the Pelican Inn where we would be able to 
have coffee. I like coffee at breakfast but I like breakfast food as well, so I 
nevertheless brought food, as did others. When you read the description of the 
next day's ride, you will notice that there were no places at all to get food. 
So, if you are on a ride with Manny, it can't hurt to bring extra food, as 
indeed he always does.

Now it was time to start the dirt... and the ride was pretty much all dirt from 
then on, until we got back to the Bridge the next day. We started up the east 
side of Old Railroad Grade.  The trail was fire-road width, not too steep, but 
the surface is sharp pointy rocks.
I was glad I had installed the Marathon 1.6 tires on the bike, but realized as 
I jounced around on the rocks that 75 psi was way too much air. I kept letting 
out more and more air.

On our way up, we met up with our last rider. Now we were seven, with four 
Atlanti, Jim's Hunqa, a Hilsen and another fine non-Riv entrant.
Of our four Atlanti, three were the original green (mine is purple) but only 
one of our forks was the original color: we had a kaleidoscope of green, 
purple, orange and blue. Odd.  (And I'm sure Manny will have pictures to prove 
this.)

At West Point Inn, at the top, I was thinking that the climb would have been 
iffy with narrow tires. But then, who should arrive at the top but a 
fit-looking Bridgestone RB-3 (?) rider on narrow tires.
Clearly, this dude was a skilled rider to be able to navigate the rocky surface 
without getting pinch flats. We all stood around for a while appreciating each 
others' bikes, then descended to the campground.

The campground seemed oddly wet. Hmm... I didn't think it had rained, but our 
campsite was muddy. Oh well. We set up camp, and stuffed ourselves with various 
cheese, bread, sausage, fabulous pastry and other good stuff people brought. 
And then it was dinner time, but having eaten all that other food, I didn't 
feel like eating the sandwich I had lugged up there.

Manny made a little fire, expertly, as it began to get dark. There was much 
talk around the fire, and drinking of the aforementioned spirituous b

Re: [RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-08 Thread Steven Frederick

I read that the wrong way at first, and thought "yeah, I wouldn't want to
camp/sleep in a union suit that didn't have a fly..."


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> The irrepressible Manny was in his hammock, and wore the notorious red
> union suit too.  He had a fly so I think he was fine.
>
> I forgot to include it in the writeup, but several of the people from
> the Rumble returned for the Riv reprise. Manny was there of course,
> and so was Jim Warren, and wasn't Esteban another SoCal person at the
> Rumble?
>
> Where will the Riv group camp next weekend? Mendocino? Portland?
> They're moving north.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM, dougP  wrote:
> > Anne:
> >
> > Nice recap.  Sounds like a fun trip, with plenty of adventure.  I was
> with
> > Manny & Jim a couple of weeks ago and was laterne rouge (?) on that ride.
> > BTW, the rain fly comment applies even in So Cal.  Was Manny in his
> hammock?
> >
> > dougP
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
> >>
> >> Every time I read about one of Manny's adventures, I think to myself,
> >> "Wow, that's too hard for me, glad I didn't do that one." But Jim
> >> Warren asked if I were going to ride this one, and then I wanted to
> >> reward myself for finishing up some programs, so somehow on Monday
> >> morning, there I was at the Mountain View train station, waiting to
> >> take the train to San Francisco and adventure.
> >>
> >> You dudes with all that upper body strength don't have to worry about
> >> this, but I was worried about even getting my loaded bike onto
> >> Caltrain. The bike cars I'd been on in the past have four very steep
> >> steps you have to carry your bike up. I was afraid I wouldn't be able
> >> to do that. (For good reason, as I found out the next day.) But,
> >> happily, the bike car that arrived was a different sort, where the
> >> rider just had to lift the bike up one tiny step.
> >>
> >> And, at nine in the morning, there were a whole bunch of cyclists
> >> waiting to do just that. As there were also a whole bunch of cyclists
> >> already on the train, embarking resembled a game of Bike Tetris, with
> >> bikes and riders crammed in the aisles, and much shifting at each
> >> station. Fortunately the other cyclists were patient with me and my
> >> difficulties maneuvering a bike loaded up with rear panniers in the
> >> cramped quarters.
> >>
> >> By the time we got to San Mateo where Jim Warren was to board the
> >> train, the herd had thinned and he was able to find a space with no
> >> difficulties. Once in San Francisco we went on to the Ferry Building
> >> and Pier 1 to meet up with the famous Manny and the other riders. The
> >> Ferry Building is foodie heaven; we stopped there for a bite to eat,
> >> and to get some provender for the ride. Manny pooh-poohed the idea
> >> that we needed food, but was overruled. I had awoken early to finish
> >> packing, ride to the train to take the hour and a half trip--
> >> breakfast was a distant memory by that time.
> >>
> >> We proceeded through San Francisco, over the bridge (which sucked, as
> >> usual) and down through Sausalito, where we stopped at a bike shop.
> >> Sadly, none of us could fit in the handsome wool tweed riding breeches
> >> that were on sale-- perhaps no other riders could, either, and that's
> >> why they were on sale.
> >>
> >> We continued on to Mill Valley, for another stop, to meet another
> >> rider,  for a cheese and fruit snack and for purchase of more food,
> >> some to eat then, some to bring, plus various beverages of an
> >> alcoholic nature. Manny pooh-poohed  the idea that we would need
> >> anything for breakfast, saying that we'd have a downhill trip from our
> >> campsite to the Pelican Inn where we would be able to have coffee. I
> >> like coffee at breakfast but I like breakfast food as well, so I
> >> nevertheless brought food, as did others. When you read the
> >> description of the next day's ride, you will notice that there were no
> >> places at all to get food. So, if you are on a ride with Manny, it
> >> can't hurt to bring extra food, as indeed he always does.
> >>
> >> Now it was time to start the dirt... and the ride was pretty much all
> >> dirt from then on, until we got back to the Bridge the next day. We
> >> started up the east side of Old Railroad Grade.  The trail was
> >> fire-road width, not too steep, but the surface is sharp pointy rocks.
> >> I was glad I had installed the Marathon 1.6 tires on the bike, but
> >> realized as I jounced around on the rocks that 75 psi was way too much
> >> air. I kept letting out more and more air.
> >>
> >> On our way up, we met up with our last rider. Now we were seven, with
> >> four Atlanti, Jim's Hunqa, a Hilsen and another fine non-Riv entrant.
> >> Of our four Atlanti, three were the original green (mine is purple)
> >> but only one of our forks was the original color: we had a
> >> kaleidoscope of green, purple, orange and blue.

[RBW] Re: Tire bead won't seat/will unseat around valve area?

2013-08-08 Thread Kieran J

Yeah, I guess thats what happened, even though I checked the bead before 
inflating. It seemed to just push itself out.

Anyways, It was a 25 mm tire in both cases. I'm guessing the jack browns that 
are due to arrive soon will be less prone to this behaviour. I've never 
experienced the humping on fatter tires, including the Pasela 35s and the Nomad 
32s.

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[RBW] PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-08 Thread Kieran J

I think I'd be ok too if I was run over by two fluffy pillows...

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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-08 Thread Matt Beebe

I hope the little guy makes it too, and fat soft tires could only have 
helped!Sometimes I make 'psst-psst' noises when I see the little 
critters up ahead to scare them away (though I must seem pretty strange to 
bystanders).   Anyway the squirrels generally have surprisingly good 
hearing and go darting off to safety.

Matt


On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:10:12 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this 
> morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a 
> tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent 
> shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a 
> friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably 
> unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.  
>
> On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri 
> doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!
>
> Tony
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread hangtownmatt

Mines a 60cm 2TT.   I do not think it's an alignment issue.  Mine tracks 
true going no hands.  The only time I experienced a shimmy (knock-on-wood) 
was when my front tire was not fully seated in the dropout.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:03:05 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
>
> I have similar problems on my Hill (60cm, no 2x TT). I like to descend 
> fast. When I do, if my hands aren't on the bars, I'll usually shimmy. Even 
> if I am moving slowly, on the flats, my Hillborne almost always veers off 
> course. Always to my right (when I'm seated on the bike, that is). I don't 
> notice until I take hands off the bars. I've changed forks, weight 
> distribution, tried a roller bearing headset... I've changed tire width, 
> too. To no avail. The Hill is a good bike, but at least for me, it rides 
> off true. Very frustrating. I think it's worth checking your alignment for 
> trueness. Mine is now 4 years old and I don't want to go there again.
> To answer: I don't know what causes it, but I think it's worth checking 
> with an "expert" (Rivendell would be my choice) to make sure it's a true 
> frame set. Mistakes in building happen. A small discrepancy could  make the 
> bike ride off true.
>
> J.
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 8:51:36 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>
>> I've got just under 6,000 miles on my new to me Sam Hillborne.  Sometimes 
>> I'll be heading into a turn and it seems like the darn thing just won't go 
>> where I want it to go!  I'm not complaining because I know the solution.  
>> If I consciously rotate my hips in the direction I want to go it performs 
>> admirably, but for me this is a conscious decision because my other bikes 
>> didn't handle like this; at least not as dramatically  Don't get me wrong, 
>> I really enjoy this bike, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same 
>> experience.  And if so, do you know what causes it?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Anomaly ?

2013-08-08 Thread hangtownmatt

Hey Michael,

I suppose it could be the tires?  I'm running Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 
inflated to 45-55 psi.  These are the original tires so I can't compare to 
anything else.  

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:05:18 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> I sorta get wide turns outta mine, too. But I am no great bike handler.
>
>  
> I am using 44-584 Marathon tires.
> What are you riding on?
> I noticed that the Hetres on my Bleriot today turned corners very 
> effortlessly.
>  
> I don't know if tire type is the issue or not.
> But the Marathons look tall profile (rim to tread).
> Whereas the Hetres look evenly round and shorter (rim to tread).
> Both are about 40.5mm wide on Synergy rims.
> Both sets are inflated to 55 PSI.
>

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[RBW] PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this 
morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a 
tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent 
shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a 
friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably 
unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.  

On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri 
doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

Philip - Really interesting, thanks for sharing the article.  I like the 
idea though I'm not sure I'd gain much from my big apples.  I don't have a 
drop bar 26" bike though... hmmm!

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:24:26 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> You've seen this, perhaps? 
>
> http://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-as-a-road-tyre/
>  
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:34:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Asking opinions of people who have used one or the other or both: 
>>
>> Are the FFs too fragile (360 grams at 50 mm!) for rough gravel? 
>>
>> Now that Stan's seems to be the magic tie that binds paperweight tires 
>> and goathead-studded roads, I see no reason not to run the lightest 
>> tire that will stand up to rough gravel, but don't want blowouts at 40 
>> mph down a steep logging road. 
>>
>> The RR is 520 grams and a bit wider (2.25") and about the same price, 
>> so perhaps that's a better option? 
>>
>> Heck, even at 520 grams, with the 560 gram Rhyno Lites in place of the 
>> 800 gram ("light" model) SnoCats and the 800 gram ("light model", 
>> folding") BA Liteskins, climbing ought to be a different experience. 
>>
>> The as-new pair of the BAs are still for sale. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gilles Berthoud stainless steel vs SKS Chromoplastic fenders

2013-08-08 Thread Steven Frederick

SKS P-50's with a flexible mudflap would be a good choice for your
situation--I have that setup on my B-stone XO-1 shod with similar-sized
tires and it's been quite durable.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/5469462121/

Steve


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:24 AM, SMP  wrote:

> Thanks, all for your considerations.  I see many of you are recommending
> the SKS longboard model, but I've already tried 
> these
> It is very difficult to fit a fender made for 700c wheels fit onto a 26"
> wheel, and it's 45mm width is probably also too narrow for my 26x1.5"
> tires.  I also had trouble with the length of the front longboard fender
> hitting the curb, and the fender popping out of the 'socket' (which, in
> retrospect, is preferred to the alternate option of bending an Al fender
> out of shape).  This is why, for SKS fenders, I am specifically, only
> considering the silver P55 of the "chromoplastic" model.
>
> The more I read your comments, the more I am inclined towards going for
> the SKS, just... the Gilles Berthoud's are so pretty!  If I go with the GB,
> it will be the 50mm "short" variety.  Not sure what short entails, but
> after having two sets of too-long fenders, I'm opting for short + mudflap
> if necessary.
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:04:12 AM UTC+2, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>> I have the longboards on my Hilsen, with sheldon fender nuts, which
>> rotate the fenders to make them even lower, and I have to say, the rubber
>> flap might bend, but I go up and down curbs all the time. One tip--I lift
>> up a bit on the handlebar before descending the curb, essentially "jumping"
>> down, which gives the bike a chance to make some forward movement before
>> falling.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:59 PM, William  wrote:
>>
>>> All the metal ones are pretty darn long.  SKS non-longboards might be
>>> your best bet to have the curb-hoppability you miss and the safety of a QR,
>>> and your LBS will more likely be familiar with their installation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 1:55:38 PM UTC-7, SMP wrote:

 I was hoping to find a previous thread on this topic, but I cannot seem
 to find it here.

 I currently have Honjo hammered fenders on my custom riv, but the front
 fender is so long and the aluminum is so fragile that it doesn't allow me
 to hop up and down curbs without having the whole thing get bent out of
 shape.

 I was hoping to move onto something more durable, and am contemplating
 between SKS Chromoplastic (26" P55) and Gilles Berthoud fenders (26" 50mm).
  I am thinking the former would be a good option to improve the
 practicality, tone down the "showyness," and reduce the chance of theft
 (although I live in one of the safest cities in the world -- Zurich, not
 sure if this should be a legitimate concern); however, the latter just
 seems to be a nice and durable option for a 'high end' bike.

 Also, I am not very mechanically inclined, so that is also another
 consideration.  I would have an LBS install this, but if something happens
 in the middle of nowhere, I would think the SKS would be easier to pop into
 place.

 Your thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: First Riv in the wild