[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[stonehog]

What works for me:

   1. Grant and Co.'s business ethics.  I like that he employs 15 folks 
   honestly and tries to give back to good causes.  He tries to educate in 
   areas we all may need some help in (food/exercise), and he doesn't fit in 
   the "maximize efficiency and shareholder value" business model.  He runs 
   the kind of business I would be proud to have someday.
   2. Common sense stuff like don't wear race kit and clipless shoes when 
   you are not racing.  I really like the grippy VP pedals of late, and I am a 
   long-time clipless rider who enjoys the control of being "locked in".  I 
   just found I don't need it when I'm commuting in.
   3. Steel, lugged goodness.  I like the feel of steel.  Always will.
   4. Pretty bikes.  Rivendell bikes just look classy compared to most 
   modern bikes.  They always draw comments.
   5. Wool.  Was already clued into this stuff, but I love wool and will 
   wear it every day at some point.
   6. Comfort.  If you love being on a bike, at some point you will want to 
   be comfortable doing it.
   7. No blinky lights.  I think they suck to ride behind, and blinking 
   front lights are beyond me.  Please use the blinkies only when you are 
   alone on a deserted country street in the middle of the night.  
   8. Helmets - I think this is the biggest deterrent to having more folks 
   on bikes.  It may be vain, but things that mess up folks hair or make them 
   feel vulnerable will keep them away.  Wear them when you need them, but 
   don't make it a law.
   9. Use what works - don't get crazy about the components.  Campy/DuraAce 
   is cool, but not critical.
   10. MUSA - I like USA-made gear.  I also like quality from other 
   countries if it's truly good.
   11. Limited selection of great, hand-picked gear.  Riv really picks some 
   great product to sell.  I generally love their taste in goods.
   12. Sackville bags.  Hands-down, the best looking and built bags I've 
   used.
   13. Basket/ShopSack.  So useful and simple!

What doesn't work for me:

   1. Heavy/big bikes.  I appreciate 'em, but would rather have a 
   Roadeo-tubed bike than a Bomba.  I like lively.
   2. Front load on mid-high-trail.  I don't like the wheel flop, but if 
   you use a wide-enough bar (Albastaches are awesome), riding with a front 
   load is not too bad.  On a narrow bar, long ride, I would prefer less work 
   to keep the bike going straight.  This is something that has taken me a few 
   years to realize I finally have a feel for.  
   3. Heavy tires.  I like 'em light, and cushy.  Jack Brown Greens are 
   the business.  GB Cypres are even better!

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
www.stonehog.com

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
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[RBW] The Search Continues

[Brian Hanson]

I think there is a tire that is both supple, light, and flat resistant.
 Just hasn’t been invented or engineered yet, but it’s coming.  I also
think the Amazon hover-delivery is going to be “normal” someday - whether
to deliver emergency medical supplies, or a needed bike part at midnight.
 I can’t wait.

I also can’t wait for the perfect light, flexible, perfect trail for
rear-bag and front basket and frame bag frame that has beautiful lugs,
paint, name, font, feel bike for my commute, rando rides, and off road
meanders.  I’m guessing it will be a Riv or variant.  Can’t freakin’ wait!

For now, I’ll continue to enjoy my Gran Bois, Clement, Schwalbe, Jack
Browns, occasional flats, and my waterfront rides on my
Hunqa/Hilsen/Miyata.

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[Hugh Smitham]

Jeff,

Where in LA? It'll be great to have another in the region.

-Hugh
On Dec 3, 2013 9:57 PM, "sameness"  wrote:

> Poway High alumnus, though technically I grew up in Rancho Bernardo. Only
> real difference being the ratio of guns to golf courses.
>
> I'm actually moving back to LA in February, so sadly, I'll be just another
> local. No worries though, I'll wear Blunnies and an oilskin for some
> outback flare.
>
> I've almost forgotten what it's like to ride with other people, and
> without mudguards to boot. Looking forward to it.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Warragul, VIC Australia
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:40:07 PM UTC+11, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Really! It's gonna be international. IIRC you grew up in Poway, Ca?
>> Anyway that's great you'll make it. Look forward to riding with ya.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[sameness]

Poway High alumnus, though technically I grew up in Rancho Bernardo. Only 
real difference being the ratio of guns to golf courses.

I'm actually moving back to LA in February, so sadly, I'll be just another 
local. No worries though, I'll wear Blunnies and an oilskin for some 
outback flare.

I've almost forgotten what it's like to ride with other people, and without 
mudguards to boot. Looking forward to it.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 4:40:07 PM UTC+11, hsmitham wrote:
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> Really! It's gonna be international. IIRC you grew up in Poway, Ca? Anyway 
> that's great you'll make it. Look forward to riding with ya.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

Ha!
On Dec 3, 2013 9:46 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:

> December is just starting... I'd like me one of those SOMA Grand Randos!
>
> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> > In the case of the Bike of the Month Club it's yes often.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM, cyclotourist 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Occasionally...
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[cyclotourist]

December is just starting... I'd like me one of those SOMA Grand Randos!

On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> In the case of the Bike of the Month Club it's yes often.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> Occasionally...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[cyclotourist]

Jeff, way to add some international flavor to the event!!!

Hugh: Really no bad/wrong tire. Just something you'll be comfortable
on. Don't fret the goatheads, it's typical SoCal terrain, so if you
don't get goatheads now, you won't for this! :-)



On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Really! It's gonna be international. IIRC you grew up in Poway, Ca? Anyway
> that's great you'll make it. Look forward to riding with ya.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, sameness  wrote:
>
>> Only just realized that I can actually make this ride.  11-32 and 32-559
>> haven't failed me yet.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Warragul, VIC Australia
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

In the case of the Bike of the Month Club it's yes often.

Best,

~Hugh


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> Occasionally...
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[cyclotourist]

Occasionally...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

Wait a gosh darn second...aren't they one in the same.

Best,

~Hugh


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Do as I say, not as I do...
>
> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> > Right Mr. Bike of the Month club Rat-a-tat!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:52 PM, cyclotourist 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I suppose...
> >>
> >> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> >> > But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > ~Hugh
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a
> >> >> second
> >> >> bike!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> >> >> > Bill,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that
> >> >> > later
> >> >> blew
> >> >> > out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash
> the
> >> >> > tire
> >> >> > but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed
> the
> >> >> > tube
> >> >> > but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the
> >> >> > ghost.
> >> >> The
> >> >> > latter I feel is the most likely.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple
> >> >> > fast
> >> >> > and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is
> >> >> > always
> >> >> a
> >> >> > compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I
> >> >> > rode
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force
> >> >> > Field
> >> >> > Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track
> >> >> > meant
> >> >> > for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is
> >> some
> >> >> > peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough
> >> stuff
> >> >> > tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the
> >> >> > already
> >> >> > long list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance
> >> but
> >> >> > with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can
> >> >> > handle
> >> >> > the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress
> >> and
> >> >> the
> >> >> > Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to
> like
> >> >> them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they
> >> tore
> >> >> on
> >> >> > the side wall. All things are transient.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hugh "the search continues "Smitham
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ~Hugh
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially
> >> >> >> when
> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as
> >> EXTREMELY
> >> >> >> rare
> >> >> >> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a
> >> >> >> tire
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a
> thick
> >> >> >> nail
> >> >> >> poked a hole in the RIM).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or
> >> >> >> so,
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5
> >> >> >> years
> >> >> >> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> can
> >> >> >> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing,
> >> >> >> then
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that
> makes
> >> >> >> more
> >> >> >> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those
> things.
> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is
> fine,
> >> of
> >> >> >> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bill
> >> >> >>
> "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
> >> >> >> Lindsay
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it
> >> >> >>> here
> >> >> >>> .
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> ~Hugh
> >> >> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[Hugh Smitham]

Really! It's gonna be international. IIRC you grew up in Poway, Ca? Anyway
that's great you'll make it. Look forward to riding with ya.

Best,

~Hugh


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> haven't failed me yet.
>
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[RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[sameness]

Only just realized that I can actually make this ride.  11-32 and 32-559 
haven't failed me yet.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[cyclotourist]

Do as I say, not as I do...

On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Right Mr. Bike of the Month club Rat-a-tat!
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:52 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I suppose...
>>
>> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>> > But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > ~Hugh
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a
>> >> second
>> >> bike!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>> >> > Bill,
>> >> >
>> >> > I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were
>> >> > to
>> >> > surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that
>> >> > later
>> >> blew
>> >> > out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the
>> >> > tire
>> >> > but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the
>> >> > tube
>> >> > but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the
>> >> > ghost.
>> >> The
>> >> > latter I feel is the most likely.
>> >> >
>> >> > At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple
>> >> > fast
>> >> > and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is
>> >> > always
>> >> a
>> >> > compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I
>> >> > rode
>> >> > on
>> >> > MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!
>> >> >
>> >> > So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force
>> >> > Field
>> >> > Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track
>> >> > meant
>> >> > for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is
>> some
>> >> > peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough
>> stuff
>> >> > tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the
>> >> > already
>> >> > long list.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance
>> but
>> >> > with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can
>> >> > handle
>> >> > the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress
>> and
>> >> the
>> >> > Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to like
>> >> them.
>> >> >
>> >> > I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they
>> tore
>> >> on
>> >> > the side wall. All things are transient.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hugh "the search continues "Smitham
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> >
>> >> > ~Hugh
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially
>> >> >> when
>> >> it's
>> >> >> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as
>> EXTREMELY
>> >> >> rare
>> >> >> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a
>> >> >> tire
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick
>> >> >> nail
>> >> >> poked a hole in the RIM).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or
>> >> >> so,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5
>> >> >> years
>> >> >> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> can
>> >> >> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing,
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes
>> >> >> more
>> >> >> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine,
>> of
>> >> >> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bill
>> >> >> "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
>> >> >> Lindsay
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it
>> >> >>> here
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ~Hugh
>> >> >>>
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[RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[hsmitham]

Now Doug you know how this goes with David and no knobbies needed (Gorge of 
consequence) though even knobbies wouldn't have help there.

David you think the Soma Xpress would be a good tire to run on the Strada 
Rossa considering all that you've stated about staying away from the curb 
ect...perhaps a dose of Stan's is a good idea a little insurance can't hurt.

~Hugh

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:58:36 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> The Soma C-lines ride so nicely that I'll stick with them, especially with 
> the disclaimer "knobbies not needed".  
>
> Goatheads, well, what'ru gonna do?  Need something to fiddle with.  Maybe 
> try the Stan's route.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:04:36 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Checklist
>>
>> 1.  My Hilsen is in my in-laws garage in Corona.  CHECK!
>> 2.  I've confirmed it's a leisurely 35 mile road ride to Redlands.  CHECK!
>> 3.  The Hilsen has a 44/30 up front.   CHECK!
>> 4.  I'll bring an 11-32 with me to potentially replace the 11-28.  CHECK!
>> 5.  It's got 650x38 Lierres.  CHECK!
>>
>> I did just buy a pair of 700x38 SOMA C-Lines, but I have no bike to fit 
>> them (yet)
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:58:25 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to keep people focused on what is important this holiday season: 
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2013/12/tires-tires-tires.html 
>>>
>>> And as for gearing, a wide-range double would be fine, but I like 
>>> triples. Perhaps that will be another RSR blog entry! 
>>>
>>> Remember, March 15th is the day! 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> David 
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Why bicycles do not fall

[Tom Virgil]

Dear Curtis,

As one of our Physics instructors in the group (there are more than one of 
you), it would be *you *to find this.  I thoroughly enjoyed the video and 
watched and listened in rapt interest (I am a mathematics guy, but minored 
in Physics as an undergrad.  I especially enjoyed my upper division 
Classical Mechanics sequence).   I added some Physics units in grad school 
for my math degree.  Ever since reading Scientific American's 1970s article 
on their (failed) attempt to make an "unrideable" bicycle, I have been 
intrigued and confounded by the physics of these contraptions.
 
I especially liked the closing remarks.

Aside from the Physics and math, you are a darn fine companion on a  ride.

Thank you for this.

Take care,

Tom

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:50:56 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
> Interesting talk on the physics of bicycles.
>
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y4mbT3ozcA
>
> Curtis
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

Right Mr. Bike of the Month club Rat-a-tat!

Best,

~Hugh


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:52 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Well, I suppose...
>
> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> > But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second
> >> bike!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> >> > Bill,
> >> >
> >> > I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to
> >> > surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later
> >> blew
> >> > out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the
> >> > tire
> >> > but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the
> >> > tube
> >> > but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the ghost.
> >> The
> >> > latter I feel is the most likely.
> >> >
> >> > At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple
> >> > fast
> >> > and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is
> >> > always
> >> a
> >> > compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I rode
> >> > on
> >> > MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!
> >> >
> >> > So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force
> >> > Field
> >> > Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track
> >> > meant
> >> > for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is
> some
> >> > peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough
> stuff
> >> > tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the
> >> > already
> >> > long list.
> >> >
> >> > I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance
> but
> >> > with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can
> >> > handle
> >> > the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress
> and
> >> the
> >> > Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to like
> >> them.
> >> >
> >> > I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they
> tore
> >> on
> >> > the side wall. All things are transient.
> >> >
> >> > Hugh "the search continues "Smitham
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > ~Hugh
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when
> >> it's
> >> >> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as
> EXTREMELY
> >> >> rare
> >> >> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire
> >> >> in
> >> >> my
> >> >> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick
> >> >> nail
> >> >> poked a hole in the RIM).
> >> >>
> >> >> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or so,
> >> >> and
> >> >> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5
> >> >> years
> >> >> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure that
> >> >> the
> >> >> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if you
> >> >> can
> >> >> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing, then
> >> >> you
> >> >> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes
> >> >> more
> >> >> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.
> >> >> If
> >> >> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine,
> of
> >> >> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill
> >> >> "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
> >> >> Lindsay
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it
> >> >>> here
> >> >>> .
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ~Hugh
> >> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[cyclotourist]

Well, I suppose...

On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second
>> bike!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to
>> > surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later
>> blew
>> > out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the
>> > tire
>> > but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the
>> > tube
>> > but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the ghost.
>> The
>> > latter I feel is the most likely.
>> >
>> > At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple
>> > fast
>> > and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is
>> > always
>> a
>> > compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I rode
>> > on
>> > MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!
>> >
>> > So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force
>> > Field
>> > Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track
>> > meant
>> > for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is some
>> > peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough stuff
>> > tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the
>> > already
>> > long list.
>> >
>> > I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance but
>> > with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can
>> > handle
>> > the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress and
>> the
>> > Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to like
>> them.
>> >
>> > I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they tore
>> on
>> > the side wall. All things are transient.
>> >
>> > Hugh "the search continues "Smitham
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > ~Hugh
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when
>> it's
>> >> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as EXTREMELY
>> >> rare
>> >> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire
>> >> in
>> >> my
>> >> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick
>> >> nail
>> >> poked a hole in the RIM).
>> >>
>> >> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or so,
>> >> and
>> >> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5
>> >> years
>> >> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure that
>> >> the
>> >> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if you
>> >> can
>> >> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing, then
>> >> you
>> >> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes
>> >> more
>> >> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.
>> >> If
>> >> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine, of
>> >> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >> "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
>> >> Lindsay
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it
>> >>> here
>> >>> .
>> >>>
>> >>> ~Hugh
>> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

But there's nothing wrong with having another bike right.

Best,

~Hugh


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:20 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> +1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second
> bike!
>
>
>
> On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to
> > surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later
> blew
> > out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the tire
> > but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the tube
> > but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the ghost.
> The
> > latter I feel is the most likely.
> >
> > At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple fast
> > and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is always
> a
> > compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I rode on
> > MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!
> >
> > So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force Field
> > Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track meant
> > for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is some
> > peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough stuff
> > tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the already
> > long list.
> >
> > I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance but
> > with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can handle
> > the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress and
> the
> > Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to like
> them.
> >
> > I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they tore
> on
> > the side wall. All things are transient.
> >
> > Hugh "the search continues "Smitham
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> wrote:
> >
> >> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when
> it's
> >> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as EXTREMELY
> >> rare
> >> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire in
> >> my
> >> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick nail
> >> poked a hole in the RIM).
> >>
> >> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or so, and
> >> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5 years
> >> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure that the
> >> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if you can
> >> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing, then you
> >> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes more
> >> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.  If
> >> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine, of
> >> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
> >>
> >> Bill "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
> >> Lindsay
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it
> >>> here
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> ~Hugh
> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[cyclotourist]

+1 on having a second wheelset. Much less expensive than having a second bike!



On 12/3/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to
> surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later blew
> out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the tire
> but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the tube
> but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the ghost. The
> latter I feel is the most likely.
>
> At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple fast
> and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is always a
> compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I rode on
> MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!
>
> So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force Field
> Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track meant
> for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is some
> peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough stuff
> tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the already
> long list.
>
> I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance but
> with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can handle
> the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress and the
> Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to like them.
>
> I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they tore on
> the side wall. All things are transient.
>
> Hugh "the search continues "Smitham
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when it's
>> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as EXTREMELY
>> rare
>> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire in
>> my
>> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick nail
>> poked a hole in the RIM).
>>
>> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or so, and
>> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5 years
>> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure that the
>> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if you can
>> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing, then you
>> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes more
>> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.  If
>> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine, of
>> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
>>
>> Bill "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
>> Lindsay
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it
>>> here
>>> .
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

Great field repair! I gotta remember that for the future.

Best,

~Hugh


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> I had major sidewall blowout with the GB lierre:
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.html  I
> won't be buying that tire again.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Hugh Smitham]

Bill,

I can't for certain say what caused the slash in my tire, if I were to
surmise I'd say it was a sharp rock which exposed the tube that later blew
out when I rolled over something that wouldn't necessarily slash the tire
but easily punctured the tube or the original slash also slashed the tube
but not all the way through so as I rode it finally gave up the ghost. The
latter I feel is the most likely.

At this time I am aware that I'm not aware of a tire that is supple fast
and puncture or slash resistant for all circumstances... there is always a
compromise. I knew that running the Hetres I was gambling when I rode on
MTB trails my mistake. Use the correct tool for the job!

So on my 650b Hilsen if I want to go off, off road I run the "Force Field
Rumpkins" which I have taken on arguably tough roads & single track meant
for MTB knobby tires and they have held up excellent. That Bill is some
peace of mind I just need to have another wheel set to swap rough stuff
tires with supple fast roady tires... ah here we go adding to the already
long list.

I'm looking for a everyday tire that will roll with less resistance but
with better slash and puncture resistance than the Hetres and can handle
the occasional light off-road foray. I'm looking at the Soma Xpress and the
Nifty Swifty but leaning toward the Soma's as he Grant seems to like them.

I heard my buddy Evan had a worn set of original Rumpkins and they tore on
the side wall. All things are transient.

Hugh "the search continues "Smitham



Best,

~Hugh


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when it's
> fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as EXTREMELY rare
> events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire in my
> ~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick nail
> poked a hole in the RIM).
>
> My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or so, and
> if it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5 years
> riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure that the
> thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if you can
> know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing, then you
> can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes more
> sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.  If
> that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine, of
> course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.
>
> Bill "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike"
> Lindsay
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it 
>> here
>> .
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanksgiving ride

[Jim Bronson]

wow that is brave!  I have lived in Portland before and I would not ride on
the I-405 "Freemont" bridge.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Myself, with a couple unspecified buddies from the list here, took
> advantage of the low holiday traffic and rode across Portland's longest
> bridge. Unseasonably clear skies made for great views from the 
> top
> .
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:51:11 AM UTC-8, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
>> 4" snow = 2 hrs shoveling driveway (plow service starts Dec. 1)
>> 27 degree weather
>> Village plowed 5 mile bike path = 30 minute ride on Bombadil with Big Bens
>>
>> Spring Lake, MI
>> Ryan Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Touch Up Paint for a Blue Ram?

[Patrick Moore]

I found an inexpensive blue nail polish that works pretty well on my blue
Ram -- I'll try to dig up the bottle and give the brand and model.

It worked far less well on my blue 2006 PT Cruiser.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:12 PM, cwr  wrote:

> I need to touch up some chips on a blue Ram and when I called Riv they
> sent me to the Cyclofiend site to find this suggestion:
>
>
> *Touch up paint recommendation to mimic the blue Rambouillet is not quite
> as straightforward - according to Jock D., start with  Gloss Dark Blue
> and slowly add, drop by drop, 1145 Gloss White.*
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
>
>
>
> Has anyone found a single color or method?  I'm not much of a painter and
> my mixing skills (drop by drop?)  are minimal at best. Surely there is a
> nail polish or automotive paint somewhere that matches?
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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving ride

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Myself, with a couple unspecified buddies from the list here, took 
advantage of the low holiday traffic and rode across Portland's longest 
bridge. Unseasonably clear skies made for great views from the 
top
. 
--Smitty 

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>
> 4" snow = 2 hrs shoveling driveway (plow service starts Dec. 1)
> 27 degree weather 
> Village plowed 5 mile bike path = 30 minute ride on Bombadil with Big Bens
>
> Spring Lake, MI
> Ryan Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Touch Up Paint for a Blue Ram?

[Curtis McKenzie]

Wow!  What a picture. Perhaps everyone should be cautioned be looking at
exhibit A :).


On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ride your Ram to a store that sells beauty supplies, wheel it in, and find
> a nail polish that matches.
> Exhibit A 
> Exhibit 
> B
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:12:50 PM UTC-8, cwr wrote:
>>
>> I need to touch up some chips on a blue Ram and when I called Riv they
>> sent me to the Cyclofiend site to find this suggestion:
>>
>>
>> *Touch up paint recommendation to mimic the blue Rambouillet is not quite
>> as straightforward - according to Jock D., start with  Gloss Dark Blue
>> and slowly add, drop by drop, 1145 Gloss White.*
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone found a single color or method?  I'm not much of a painter and
>> my mixing skills (drop by drop?)  are minimal at best. Surely there is a
>> nail polish or automotive paint somewhere that matches?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Touch Up Paint for a Blue Ram?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Ride your Ram to a store that sells beauty supplies, wheel it in, and find 
a nail polish that matches. 
Exhibit A 
Exhibit 
B
--Smitty



On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 3:12:50 PM UTC-8, cwr wrote:
>
> I need to touch up some chips on a blue Ram and when I called Riv they 
> sent me to the Cyclofiend site to find this suggestion:
>
>
> *Touch up paint recommendation to mimic the blue Rambouillet is not quite 
> as straightforward - according to Jock D., start with  Gloss Dark Blue 
> and slowly add, drop by drop, 1145 Gloss White.*
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
>
>
>
> Has anyone found a single color or method?  I'm not much of a painter and 
> my mixing skills (drop by drop?)  are minimal at best. Surely there is a 
> nail polish or automotive paint somewhere that matches? 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Ron Mc]

oh, never mindcap...


On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:11:29 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their 
> importance to ME:
>
> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay 
> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go 
> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I 
> do have long hair.)
> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not 
> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills 
> way too long.)
> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams. (RIv 
> is good here.)
> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between 
> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and 
> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer 
> more variety in logo.)
> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>
> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros 
> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their 
> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so 
> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>
> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Patrick Moore]

Lee -- how do they fit a big head with a lot of hair?

The price is certainly good!

Thanks.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> I'm a fan of the Kucharik wool caps, though they do carry cotton ones in
> many styles. Here are the plain ones:
>
>
> http://www.kucharikclothing.com/stock-color-cycling-cap-p-136.html?osCsid=7g4m3n4o1vc986dj4qc3m49dn6
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Bertin753  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. How do they fit big heads and big hair? Well made? I can eyeball
>> the brims.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who almost lost his Nash at PDM cap just now in gusty ABQ,
>> NM.
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Pace has a huge selection , cotton, wool, coolmax .  Browse all the
>> collections, then buy from them or google it and find someone else who
>> sells it.
>>
>> http://www.pacesportswear.com/2013technicalcollection.aspx
>>
>> Too bad Patagonia doesn't still make caps like this  I have one and
>> it will likely outlast me ... I bought it in the early 90's.
>> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Patagonia-5-panel-mesh-Hat-Cap-Cycling-Medium-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/PPwAAOxyaqlSTH~e/$%28KGrHqNHJFIFIu!bbC3uBSTH+ePmUw~~60_57.JPG
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[RBW] Touch Up Paint for a Blue Ram?

[cwr]

I need to touch up some chips on a blue Ram and when I called Riv they sent 
me to the Cyclofiend site to find this suggestion:


*Touch up paint recommendation to mimic the blue Rambouillet is not quite 
as straightforward - according to Jock D., start with  Gloss Dark Blue 
and slowly add, drop by drop, 1145 Gloss White.*

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html



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my mixing skills (drop by drop?)  are minimal at best. Surely there is a 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Peter Morgano]

I wear a full 8 in my fitted hats and have yet to find a cycling cap that
fits my fat noggin. Any other fatheads out there have a recommendation?


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Lee Chae  wrote:

> I'm a fan of the Kucharik wool caps, though they do carry cotton ones in
> many styles. Here are the plain ones:
>
>
> http://www.kucharikclothing.com/stock-color-cycling-cap-p-136.html?osCsid=7g4m3n4o1vc986dj4qc3m49dn6
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Bertin753  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. How do they fit big heads and big hair? Well made? I can eyeball
>> the brims.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who almost lost his Nash at PDM cap just now in gusty ABQ,
>> NM.
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Pace has a huge selection , cotton, wool, coolmax .  Browse all the
>> collections, then buy from them or google it and find someone else who
>> sells it.
>>
>> http://www.pacesportswear.com/2013technicalcollection.aspx
>>
>> Too bad Patagonia doesn't still make caps like this  I have one and
>> it will likely outlast me ... I bought it in the early 90's.
>> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Patagonia-5-panel-mesh-Hat-Cap-Cycling-Medium-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/PPwAAOxyaqlSTH~e/$%28KGrHqNHJFIFIu!bbC3uBSTH+ePmUw~~60_57.JPG
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Lee Chae]

I'm a fan of the Kucharik wool caps, though they do carry cotton ones in
many styles. Here are the plain ones:

http://www.kucharikclothing.com/stock-color-cycling-cap-p-136.html?osCsid=7g4m3n4o1vc986dj4qc3m49dn6

Best,
Lee


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Bertin753  wrote:

> Thanks. How do they fit big heads and big hair? Well made? I can eyeball
> the brims.
>
> Patrick Moore, who almost lost his Nash at PDM cap just now in gusty ABQ,
> NM.
>
> Patrick Moore
> iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>
> Pace has a huge selection , cotton, wool, coolmax .  Browse all the
> collections, then buy from them or google it and find someone else who
> sells it.
>
> http://www.pacesportswear.com/2013technicalcollection.aspx
>
> Too bad Patagonia doesn't still make caps like this  I have one and it
> will likely outlast me ... I bought it in the early 90's.
> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Patagonia-5-panel-mesh-Hat-Cap-Cycling-Medium-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/PPwAAOxyaqlSTH~e/$%28KGrHqNHJFIFIu!bbC3uBSTH+ePmUw~~60_57.JPG
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Bertin753]

Thanks. How do they fit big heads and big hair? Well made? I can eyeball the 
brims.

Patrick Moore, who almost lost his Nash at PDM cap just now in gusty ABQ, NM.

Patrick Moore
iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> Pace has a huge selection , cotton, wool, coolmax .  Browse all the 
> collections, then buy from them or google it and find someone else who sells 
> it. 
> 
> http://www.pacesportswear.com/2013technicalcollection.aspx
> 
> Too bad Patagonia doesn't still make caps like this  I have one and it 
> will likely outlast me ... I bought it in the early 90's.  
> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Patagonia-5-panel-mesh-Hat-Cap-Cycling-Medium-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/PPwAAOxyaqlSTH~e/$%28KGrHqNHJFIFIu!bbC3uBSTH+ePmUw~~60_57.JPG
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Jim Bronson]

Agree with you there.  I switched to Redline BMX pedals a few years back
but the VP pedals are a big improvement on the cheap BMX pedals.

Still have BMX pedals on my Paul Taylor but the VP pedals are definitely a
cut above.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Kellie Stapleton  wrote:

> Wow! After all my life in either clips or cleats, childhood excepted, I've
> got an order in for Thin Gripsters. They'll be here Thurs., install and
> begin a new era on my bike(s). Already changed to: higher bars, thicker
> tires, racks and fenders, and a Brooks. Oh, it's a Sam!
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them
>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much
>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started
>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>
>> I'll start:
>>
>> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
>> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I
>> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and
>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention
>> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and
>> what a difference.
>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road
>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I
>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide
>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the
>> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is
>> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike
>> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment
>> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
>> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to
>> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o'
>> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
>> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable
>> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt
>> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs
>> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
>> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I
>> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of
>> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again.
>> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
>> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair
>> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more
>> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
>> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking
>> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so
>> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do,
>> too!
>> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to
>> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike
>> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun
>> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your
>> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the
>> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And
>> trimming is fun, too.
>> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS Touring
>> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to
>> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk
>> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green
>> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to
>> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that
>> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
>> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I
>> started realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking
>> the bike in the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures,
>> and they are just fun to install and look at. I love the rat-at-at-at-at
>> sound the Pletscher makes when it is flipped.
>> *11. 650b.* At first I thought: "why?..". And then: "Aw,
>> man! Now I am forced into getting these smaller wheels if I want a
>> Rivendell. W

Re: [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Kellie Stapleton]

Plus on the GB Cypress. Have had them on over 8 months; street and dirt, 
even a little gravel. *Really nice!*

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:40:55 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 11/23/2013 09:57 AM, Ron Mc wrote: 
> > Tried Jack Browns on my daughter's load-hauler, and went back to 28mm 
> > Paselas, which have notably lower rolling resistance.  I pretty much 
> > ride 28mm on all my bikes, give or take a mm 
>
> Before concluding the problem in this case was the width of the JB, you 
> should try a 32mm tire with known low rolling resistance such as the 
> Grand Bois Cypres or the 32mm Pasela. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Kellie Stapleton]

Wow! After all my life in either clips or cleats, childhood excepted, I've 
got an order in for Thin Gripsters. They'll be here Thurs., install and 
begin a new era on my bike(s). Already changed to: higher bars, thicker 
tires, racks and fenders, and a Brooks. Oh, it's a Sam! 

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
> what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as just taking 
> things too far. But when my Sam arrived with it, it just looked so 
> beautiful and natural and much better than electrical tape. Its fun to do, 
> too!
> *8. Bar end shifters.* At first I thought that it was ridiculous not to 
> have the convenience of brifters on a bike. But when I got my first Rivbike 
> with bar ends, it was love at first shift. Just makes it so much more fun 
> to play with those things than brifting. I think it also encourages your 
> hands to move around more on the bars and I think that helps keep the 
> numbness at bay. A quiet friction shift is a very satisfying sensation. And 
> trimming is fun, too.
> *9. Platform pedals/ditching the click-ins.* I started using MKS Touring 
> pedals and cannot see myself ever going back to click ins. It is so nice to 
> be able to move the foot around and to just hop off the bike and walk 
> normally and not feel weird in public duck walking. Starting up at green 
> lights, all I have to do is just stand on the pedal and go. I don't have to 
> fumble across the intersection anymore to click in. And think of all that 
> cash I save by not having to buy expensive click in shoes and cleats/pedals.
> *10. Kickstands.* Having previously viewed these as bike anchors, I 
> started realizing it just makes things sooo much easier when parking 
> the bike in the garage, hopping off the bike for breaks/taking pictures, 
> and they are just fun to install and look at. I love the rat-at-at-at-at 
> sound the Pletscher makes when it is flipped.
> *11. 650b.* At first I thought: "why?..". And then: "Aw, man! 
> Now I am forced into getting these smaller wheels if I want a Rivendell. 
> Why is this guy messing around with these bikes like this?". But the 
> clearance allows me to enjoy the convenience of fenders and safety and cush 
> of wide tires.
> *12. Ponchos.* Air circulates. Less sweating under cover.
> *13. Wool.* In summer, any material will be drenched and sticking to my 
> skin. But 

[RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Bill, I think you have it all worked out! I've rode it with a 34/30 low, so 
a 30/32 would be fine. Big climb toward the end though, so being tired 
makes a difference. I do carry a 24T ring with me at all times just in case!

Doug, you've got it right: Avoid them and live with 'em. Stay away from the 
gutter is pretty much the best advice. They don't grow in the middle of the 
road, and they need water so won't be out in the dirt sections. Stans 
wouldn't hurt though... :-)

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:04:36 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Checklist
>
> 1.  My Hilsen is in my in-laws garage in Corona.  CHECK!
> 2.  I've confirmed it's a leisurely 35 mile road ride to Redlands.  CHECK!
> 3.  The Hilsen has a 44/30 up front.   CHECK!
> 4.  I'll bring an 11-32 with me to potentially replace the 11-28.  CHECK!
> 5.  It's got 650x38 Lierres.  CHECK!
>
> I did just buy a pair of 700x38 SOMA C-Lines, but I have no bike to fit 
> them (yet)
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:58:25 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Just to keep people focused on what is important this holiday season: 
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2013/12/tires-tires-tires.html 
>>
>> And as for gearing, a wide-range double would be fine, but I like 
>> triples. Perhaps that will be another RSR blog entry! 
>>
>> Remember, March 15th is the day! 
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers, 
>> David 
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Garth]

Pace has a huge selection , cotton, wool, coolmax .  Browse all the 
collections, then buy from them or google it and find someone else who 
sells it. 

http://www.pacesportswear.com/2013technicalcollection.aspx

Too bad Patagonia doesn't still make caps like this  I have one and it 
will likely outlast me ... I bought it in the early 90's.  
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Patagonia-5-panel-mesh-Hat-Cap-Cycling-Medium-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/PPwAAOxyaqlSTH~e/$%28KGrHqNHJFIFIu!bbC3uBSTH+ePmUw~~60_57.JPG

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[RBW] Re: ISO old XT-type skewer

[Kieran J]

Ha, funny. I'm also looking for one of these to match the front one on 
the NOS XT hub I just picked up. eBay has a couple of them, for $$$.
 
KJ
 

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:45:42 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:

> For my Curt fixed. 135, internal, all steel, the model with the rubber 
> cover on the lever, as below. 
>
> Will also consider very similar with well-defined notches on the clamping 
> surfaces -- need something to grip the 1010s.
>
> Pay, trade, beg, what have you.
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
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Re: [RBW] Holy Moly. 30 minute Drone Delivery from Amazon. Need a bike part "real soon"?

[Bill Lindsay]

*Don't drone me, bro.*

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:47:33 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> And the things that happen all around us every day aren't silly therefor 
> they don't happen? Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[dougP]

The Soma C-lines ride so nicely that I'll stick with them, especially with 
the disclaimer "knobbies not needed".  

Goatheads, well, what'ru gonna do?  Need something to fiddle with.  Maybe 
try the Stan's route.  

dougP

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:04:36 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Checklist
>
> 1.  My Hilsen is in my in-laws garage in Corona.  CHECK!
> 2.  I've confirmed it's a leisurely 35 mile road ride to Redlands.  CHECK!
> 3.  The Hilsen has a 44/30 up front.   CHECK!
> 4.  I'll bring an 11-32 with me to potentially replace the 11-28.  CHECK!
> 5.  It's got 650x38 Lierres.  CHECK!
>
> I did just buy a pair of 700x38 SOMA C-Lines, but I have no bike to fit 
> them (yet)
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:58:25 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Just to keep people focused on what is important this holiday season: 
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2013/12/tires-tires-tires.html 
>>
>> And as for gearing, a wide-range double would be fine, but I like 
>> triples. Perhaps that will be another RSR blog entry! 
>>
>> Remember, March 15th is the day! 
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers, 
>> David 
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Holy Moly. 30 minute Drone Delivery from Amazon. Need a bike part "real soon"?

[Deacon Patrick]

And the things that happen all around us every day aren't silly therefor 
they don't happen? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:40:29 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> This is silly. It's a flying machine which would need a flight plan from 
> the FAA. Not gonna happen. 
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:01:35 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Goodie. More noisy things to invade our lives. Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:47:53 PM UTC-7, RayO wrote:
>>>
>>> If it walks like a duck and flaps like a duck...shoot it!
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:25:56 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: 

 My earlier suggestions of this service being used for tour support were 
 made with tongue firmly planted in cheek.  Bicycle touring is about 
 self-sufficiency and independence, not being tethered to the Mother Ship.  

 Jan Heine today offers the suggestion that this is all a publicity 
 stunt.  I am inclined to agree, especially given the timing.  The 
 suggestion above to use bicycle courier delivery is excellent.  Uses 
 existing infrastructure & available resources, ecologically beneficial, 
 and 
 no FAA approval.  

 dougP

 On Monday, December 2, 2013 11:20:41 AM UTC-8, Skenry wrote: 
>
> It seems that I am in the minority here, again.  I think this is 
> amazing combination of efficiency, technology and progress.   I would 
> guess 
> that it will be a long time before this is offered as part of Amazon's 
> amazing free shipping program, until then, if you don't like the idea of 
> it, don't spring for it. 
>
> Waiting a few days might be fine for some people.  Others, myself 
> included, can't stand it.  My kid just subscribed to a magazine, he is 
> having a hard time waiting the 6-8 weeks for processing and delivery.  He 
> wanted to know why it takes so long to get started and I have no clue.  
> Its 
> no different than we just went thru on this list a few weeks ago with the 
> catalog mailing.  No one likes to wait, once you decide you want it, you 
> want it as fast as possible.  
>
> Realistically though, this will be a cost per usage issue.  I usually 
> just shop for price, which means Amazon and the free shipping option, but 
> I 
> have been known to spring for two-day or next day shipping if its not too 
> crazily priced.   Remember that progress is always cheap but it isn't 
> always bad either.
> Scott
>
> Cheers,
> Scott Henry
> Dayton, OH
>
> FTM-PTB
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:
>
>> My dog is not going to like the 
>> octocopter.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Actually, what interests me is that aside from a reasonably small subset of 
posters (at this time ~17 out of the 2500 on the list), this thread seem to 
be more about the _lack_ of complaints regarding the ideals of the 
Quickbeam / SimpleOne.  I think that attests to its quality.  The reason 
when I saw it first announced in a Reader, it made me think - "that's 
it..." (Though I will also admit that the Orange run made it perfect).

Fact is, if my Quickbeam went away, I'd want to replace it exactly.   (Ok, 
I think I already mentioned a desire for mid-seatstay braze-ons so I 
wouldn't have to p-clamp a small rear rack... )

But, when I ride an Appaloosa and think - "Dang! Upright bars aren't bad 
and this pony seems uber-nimble" and want to replace my errand bike (The 
Zeus 650B Conversion project) so that I could do a fun loop on the way to 
the store, and spin contentedly home. Or, I look at the alluringly robust 
Hunqapillar and think - "Mmmm you slap the Quickbeam dropouts into that 
frame and there's nothing that could possibly rougher, tougher, all-world 
rambler..."  It makes me realize my tastes run to the simpler setups, and 
it caused me to instigate this conversation thread. 

With the developments in knobby 650B/584 tires by the mtb folks, as well as 
the adoption of "29er" treads in a 700C/622 size, there are a bunch more 
tire options out there. All of which let you dream a bit broader for a v2.0 
design.  Let's you think about wider hubs - and I've always wanted a Paul 
WORD rear...   Or think bigger - A Pugsley-type 'Beam?  That may be too 
much of an outlier ;^) (and I've always wanted a Pug-type bike, but sadly 
have no realistic reason to own one here in the middle of CA.)

Thanks for being a part of this conversation so far!  keep the thoughts and 
ideas coming.

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Re: [RBW] Holy Moly. 30 minute Drone Delivery from Amazon. Need a bike part "real soon"?

[Joe Bernard]

This is silly. It's a flying machine which would need a flight plan from 
the FAA. Not gonna happen. 

On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:01:35 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Goodie. More noisy things to invade our lives. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:47:53 PM UTC-7, RayO wrote:
>>
>> If it walks like a duck and flaps like a duck...shoot it!
>> On Monday, December 2, 2013 4:25:56 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: 
>>>
>>> My earlier suggestions of this service being used for tour support were 
>>> made with tongue firmly planted in cheek.  Bicycle touring is about 
>>> self-sufficiency and independence, not being tethered to the Mother Ship.  
>>>
>>> Jan Heine today offers the suggestion that this is all a publicity 
>>> stunt.  I am inclined to agree, especially given the timing.  The 
>>> suggestion above to use bicycle courier delivery is excellent.  Uses 
>>> existing infrastructure & available resources, ecologically beneficial, and 
>>> no FAA approval.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2013 11:20:41 AM UTC-8, Skenry wrote: 

 It seems that I am in the minority here, again.  I think this is 
 amazing combination of efficiency, technology and progress.   I would 
 guess 
 that it will be a long time before this is offered as part of Amazon's 
 amazing free shipping program, until then, if you don't like the idea of 
 it, don't spring for it. 

 Waiting a few days might be fine for some people.  Others, myself 
 included, can't stand it.  My kid just subscribed to a magazine, he is 
 having a hard time waiting the 6-8 weeks for processing and delivery.  He 
 wanted to know why it takes so long to get started and I have no clue.  
 Its 
 no different than we just went thru on this list a few weeks ago with the 
 catalog mailing.  No one likes to wait, once you decide you want it, you 
 want it as fast as possible.  

 Realistically though, this will be a cost per usage issue.  I usually 
 just shop for price, which means Amazon and the free shipping option, but 
 I 
 have been known to spring for two-day or next day shipping if its not too 
 crazily priced.   Remember that progress is always cheap but it isn't 
 always bad either.
 Scott

 Cheers,
 Scott Henry
 Dayton, OH

 FTM-PTB


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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Patrick Moore]

Not quite so; I don't mind using non-cycling-specific caps, though these
are naturally good since they are designed for cycling.

FWIW, the best *winter* caps I've found so far are faux-Peruvian Indian
caps, knit of wool with ear flaps and under-chin ties. They look decent,
too. The sole defect is lack of a short brim -- and that is indeed a sore
lack, alas. Otherwise, warm, cover the ears without riding up, look good,
low-priced

Mine is rather like this one without the front flap. Made of recycled wool,
but even the red acrylic one is great.

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> I fear the other Patrick will DQ that hat on the grounds of it not being a
> "cycling cap", not having a short brim, and for being "yuppie priced".  :-(
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[RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Deacon Patrick]

Indeed, Patrick. I wear it in wooded areas and generally take it off for 
long descents. Though I've been amazed how well it stays on with the 
straps. In general, though It works great to shelter from sun, and in a 
given day the amount of time on long descents is fairly short, so I'm happy 
to get sun for it. Grin.

Bill, I figured since 2 was a non-negotiable it would be DQed, but better 
to have choices beyond the scope that may work in unexpected ways. Also I 
interpret "yuppy pricing" on a Riv group to mean high price/low value/high 
fashion. High(er) price, yes but Tilley is hardly the other two. Grin.

With abandon,
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>
> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their 
> importance to ME:
>
> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay 
> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go 
> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I 
> do have long hair.)
> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not 
> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills 
> way too long.)
> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams. (RIv 
> is good here.)
> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between 
> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and 
> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer 
> more variety in logo.)
> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>
> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros 
> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their 
> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so 
> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>
> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>
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Re: [RBW] Best summer cycling caps?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks -- customs are certainly a possibility, but I wonder if there are
any ready made choices available?

I will check custom with Walz if none show up. I've used Walz, summer and
winter, and they are very well made and look good.

(I regret losing a tres chic old style Campy yellow cap given me by RS
Watson, sometime of this list -- it blew off on a windy commute home and I
didn't notice it until it was 1/2 mile down the block.)


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:

> I would send Walz an email or give them a call, I wouldn't be surprised if
> they would make you a larger summer cap.
>
> Dan Abelson
> St Paul MN
> On Dec 3, 2013 1:11 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their
>> importance to ME:
>>
>> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay
>> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go
>> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I
>> do have long hair.)
>> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not
>> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills
>> way too long.)
>> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams.
>> (RIv is good here.)
>> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between
>> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and
>> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer
>> more variety in logo.)
>> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>>
>> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros
>> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their
>> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so
>> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>>
>> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Bill Lindsay]

I fear the other Patrick will DQ that hat on the grounds of it not being a 
"cycling cap", not having a short brim, and for being "yuppie priced".  :-(

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:17:12 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> A medium brimmed Tilley meets all but 2. 
> http://www.tilley.com/The-T5MO-Tilley-Organic-AIRFLO-Hat.aspx is my 
> personal preference.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:11:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their 
>> importance to ME:
>>
>> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay 
>> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go 
>> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I 
>> do have long hair.)
>> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not 
>> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills 
>> way too long.)
>> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams. 
>> (RIv is good here.)
>> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between 
>> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and 
>> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer 
>> more variety in logo.)
>> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>>
>> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros 
>> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their 
>> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so 
>> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>>
>> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best summer cycling caps?

[Dan Abelson]

I would send Walz an email or give them a call, I wouldn't be surprised if
they would make you a larger summer cap.

Dan Abelson
St Paul MN
On Dec 3, 2013 1:11 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their
> importance to ME:
>
> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay
> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go
> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I
> do have long hair.)
> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not
> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills
> way too long.)
> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams. (RIv
> is good here.)
> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between
> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and
> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer
> more variety in logo.)
> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>
> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros
> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their
> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so
> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>
> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, and I'd certainly like one for hiking, but for cycling, missing #2
by so long a mile is no go. Actually, with our wind and the extra aerofoil
surfaces, this would probably miss #1 by a long mile, too.


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> A medium brimmed Tilley meets all but 2.
> http://www.tilley.com/The-T5MO-Tilley-Organic-AIRFLO-Hat.aspx is my
> personal preference.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:11:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their
>> importance to ME:
>>
>> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay
>> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go
>> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I
>> do have long hair.)
>> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not
>> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills
>> way too long.)
>> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams.
>> (RIv is good here.)
>> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between
>> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and
>> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer
>> more variety in logo.)
>> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>>
>> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros
>> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their
>> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so
>> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>>
>> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Mondial Evolution Line Tires 700x42 - Like New

[jar351]

Here are the links to the Schwalbe pages for these tires (for some reason 
Schwalbe has two websites): 
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/marathon-mondial.html
http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_mondial

This pair of test-ridden-only Mondials is of the folding (Evolution Line) 
variety, which includes a whole suite of premium materials and features 
(according to Schwalbe). The size is marked as 28 x 1.75 which translates 
to 700 x 42, at least on my 23mm-wide rims, so maybe 43mm on a wider rim. I 
think they're perfect for touring or commuting on a mix of pavement and 
dirt/gravel. Plus they're reputed to be extremely long-lasting.

These retail at $90/tire, but *$100+actual shipping* gets the pair.

Andre R.
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[RBW] FS: Pacenti PL23 650b rims

[Phobos]

Hi Riv Listers.  These are brand new rims still in the box.  I just don't 
need them.  I believe they are 32hole.
Feel free to ask questions.  Looks like the last pair sold here for $130.  
So, I offer these for $130 shipped CONUS.
Thanks!
-Mike

Below is some info about them copied from longleaf cycles...

"Lightweight, polished, box section rim with welded construction, eyelets, 
and a braking surface wear indicator. A fine addition by Kirk Pacenti to 
the 650B road rim selection.

185lb weight limit. Not suitable for 11 speed hubs or Campy 10 speed 
cassette hubs. Maximum spoke tension 100kgf.

   - Width: 23.0mm
   - Inner bead width: 18mm
   - Height: 15mm
   - ERD 573mm
   - 404g
   - Polished Silver

I do not recommend cloth rim tape with this rim. Use tubeless tape or tire 
mounting will be needlessly difficult to impossible."


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[RBW] Re: Best summer cycling caps?

[Deacon Patrick]

A medium brimmed Tilley meets all but 2. 
http://www.tilley.com/The-T5MO-Tilley-Organic-AIRFLO-Hat.aspx is my 
personal preference.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:11:29 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> "Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their 
> importance to ME:
>
> 1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay 
> on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go 
> under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I 
> do have long hair.)
> 2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not 
> to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills 
> way too long.)
> 3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams. (RIv 
> is good here.)
> 4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between 
> excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and 
> colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer 
> more variety in logo.)
> 5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)
>
> I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros 
> (Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their 
> summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so 
> far, but they are rather cheaply made.
>
> Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] Best summer cycling caps?

[Patrick Moore]

"Best" in reference to the following criteria, in order of their importance
to ME:

1. Stay on very large head with a lot of thick hair. (Riv caps don't stay
on well -- too shallow? When I had a pony tail, I'd add a loop behind to go
under the tail, this acting as an anchor. I no longer have a 'tail, but I
do have long hair.)
2. Short bill. (I do fold the bills to shorten them, but would prefer not
to. My customs have 4 cm bills, which is about right. Riv caps have bills
way too long.)
3. Well made -- thickish, absorbent fabric, good elastic, good seams. (RIv
is good here.)
4. Sightly (as opposed to unsightly); defined as a happy mean between
excessively tweedish and excessively roady-ish (ancient team logos and
colors are great; Molteni outstanding). (Riv is good here, but would prefer
more variety in logo.)
5. Not yuppie priced. (RIv good here.)

I've used Rivs, customs (little package dot com) and Nashbar's retros
(Molteni!) as well as Walz (their winter cap is great; not so much their
summer ones -- don't stay on my head! The Nashbars are the best (for me) so
far, but they are rather cheaply made.

Anything giving 1 thru 3 is worth considering.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill Lindsay]

...and making all non-QB/SO owners think, "I need to have the cash ready to 
pounce next time I see one on the list"

Bill "who would take a 58" Lindsay

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:28:59 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
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> Making all QB/SO owners think, "SO glad I pulled the trigger!" 
>
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[RBW] ISO old XT-type skewer

[Patrick Moore]

For my Curt fixed. 135, internal, all steel, the model with the rubber
cover on the lever, as below.

Will also consider very similar with well-defined notches on the clamping
surfaces -- need something to grip the 1010s.

Pay, trade, beg, what have you.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Jim Bronson]

11 miles to Suffern'

LOL.  Great picture.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I had major sidewall blowout with the GB lierre:
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2013/06/images-from-catskill-600k.html  I
> won't be buying that tire again.
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[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Bill Lindsay]

It's always a bummer when you cut an expensive tire, especially when it's 
fairly new.  Maybe I'm reckless, but I think of tire cuts as EXTREMELY rare 
events.  Moreover, the things that I've run over to badly cut a tire in my 
~35 years of cycling usually would have cut ANY tire (once, a thick nail 
poked a hole in the RIM).  

My thing is, if it's going to happen about once every 5 years or so, and if 
it's going to ruin any tire, then I might as well spend those 5 years 
riding on nice-riding tires.  If you, Hugh, can somehow be sure that the 
thing that cut your Hetre is going to happen really often and if you can 
know that there is a tire that won't be cut by that same thing, then you 
can sensibly argue that there's a cost-benefit trade off that makes more 
sense.  I just don't see how you could know either of those things.  If 
that's the case, you are investing in peace of mind, which is fine, of 
course.  Me, I'd continue to invest in ride quality.  

Bill "who-runs-force-field-fatty-rumpkins-on-his-heaviest-stiffest-bike" 
Lindsay

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> I had a little experience around dusk. Read about it 
> here
> .
>
> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Jim Bronson]

Yes, they do make Nifty Swifties in 650b, I have a set on my bike now...

http://www.ebikestop.com/panaracer_nifty_swifty_650b_x_328mm_blacktan_steel-TR2322.php


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Bruce do they make Nifty-Swifties in 650b? I don't think so.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Bruce Herbitter <
> bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> RBW Nifty-Swifties are reliable, if not quite "light."
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Glad you are not hurt (your are ok?).

>>>
>>> I have Hetres on my Bleriot but haven't really done any commuting on
>>> them. I was gonna put them on my Sam (full time bike now).
>>> But I mentally just can't get past having only rubber and a liner
>>> between the tube and the road.
>>> And I definitely would not want to be fixing a flat in the 35 degree
>>> temps we have in MD now.
>>> So maybe I will try them next spring and see how they do.
>>> Though I have heard Jan say that his Hetres do really well commuting. I
>>> am sure others have a good track record with theirs, too.
>>>
>>> I am still looking out for some lightweight, fast, puncture protected,
>>> 650b tires.
>>> For now I am enjoying my stock build Marathons on my Sam.
>>> They don't feel any slower on the Sam than when I had Rumpkins and
>>> Swiftys on the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> Seen any reviews on the new puncture protected Rumpkins? Maybe they
>>> would do better for you.
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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Ryan]

I was riding an X0-1 east on Wellington Crescent. I think you were going to 
a race
On Monday, December 2, 2013 9:39:48 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: 
>
> Hmm, yes I do own one. When did we meet, and were you riding a Riv? Sorry, 
> I'm always terrible with names/faces. 
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013 9:17:35 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote: 
>>
>> I believe we might have this summer. Don't you own a Cervelo? 
>> On Friday, November 22, 2013 9:29:16 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote: 
>>>
>>> Ryan 'from Winnipeg'? Had no idea there were more Winnipeggers on this 
>>> board, and an owner of multiple Riv's and an XO-1 to boot!? Can only assume 
>>> we've ridden past each other a few times at some point. 
>>>
>>> For me - larger tires absolutely. Went from 23's to 33 Jack Browns, what 
>>> a revelation.
>>> Baskets? Absolutely! No more sweaty back for me
>>> Leather saddles, wool, bells, s240 (going on one tonight, and it's -30C 
>>> with the windchill already!), and lugged steel are also definitely 
>>> 'working' for me...
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:33:10 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote: 

  Great question
  
  
 Yes
 Consistent adherence to versatility,durability  and quality. 
 Beautifully crafted,rugged frames that ride wonderfully and have a classic 
 appeal
 Wider tires are really good
 Fenders. They make riding in rain so much better. Everyone should have 
 at least 1 fendered bike
 Moustache and Noodle bars
 NITTO
 Non-racer philosophy
 Twining
 Beeswax
 Really intelligent product selection
 Making Mixte and lady's framesgetting more people on bikes
 Not so much
 Totally retention-free pedals. In the early 90's I went clipless for a 
 while.  In 1999 I bought 2 pairs of those lovely Sidi touring shoes...and 
 I 
 like the MKS track style pedals with toe clips and straps. And there I 
 stand.
 Kickstands. Maybe more for aesthetic reasons...even when I did loaded 
 touring I still managed to find a way to securely prop my bike against 
 something
 Shellac
 650 wheels...is this a solution looking for a problem? Not sure. Anyway 
 , 650B is sort of difficult to source locally in Winnipeg
 Festooning a really , really good-looking bike with bags and 
 baskets...but to be fair...I don't do S24s and don't care much for camping 
 anymore. Don't sleep well. Also prefer commuting on my less glamorous X0-1 
 and old Peugeot...little less attractive to thieves. And if I did 
 grocery-getting, I'd use a less fancy bike
 Dual top tubes, although, for the larger sizes and Rivendell's emphasis 
 on practicality and durability, I understand why they did this.
  
 All in all, I love the company, love my Rivs, and enjoy the discussion 
 on this group and internet-bob
  
 Cheers...Ryan in Winnipeg
 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: 

>  Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so 
> much 
> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>  
> I'll start:
>  
> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. 
> I used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them 
> and what a difference.
> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm 
> wide tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in 
> the past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. 
> It is just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up 
> the 
> bike with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard 
> equipment on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface 
> to sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another 
> dab 
> o' proofhide broke her in and now its great.
> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bikes Books and Hatchet Openig Party

[Bill Lindsay]

Manny

I'm in!  We'll see if I can get the hall-pass.  I've just got a vapor 
barrier to try out.  

On Monday, December 2, 2013 10:24:52 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68311761245/bike-book-hatchet-grand-opening
>
> Bringing my camp gear for an overnight afterwords. Thinking juniper 
> campgrounds. Anyone else up to ride 3000 ft of climbing in the dark?
>

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[Bill Lindsay]

Checklist

1.  My Hilsen is in my in-laws garage in Corona.  CHECK!
2.  I've confirmed it's a leisurely 35 mile road ride to Redlands.  CHECK!
3.  The Hilsen has a 44/30 up front.   CHECK!
4.  I'll bring an 11-32 with me to potentially replace the 11-28.  CHECK!
5.  It's got 650x38 Lierres.  CHECK!

I did just buy a pair of 700x38 SOMA C-Lines, but I have no bike to fit 
them (yet)

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:58:25 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Just to keep people focused on what is important this holiday season: 
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2013/12/tires-tires-tires.html 
>
> And as for gearing, a wide-range double would be fine, but I like 
> triples. Perhaps that will be another RSR blog entry! 
>
> Remember, March 15th is the day! 
>
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> David 
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal 
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[RBW] Speaking of tires, which should you use for the Redlands Strada Rossa course???

[cyclotourist]

Just to keep people focused on what is important this holiday season:
http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2013/12/tires-tires-tires.html

And as for gearing, a wide-range double would be fine, but I like
triples. Perhaps that will be another RSR blog entry!

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Making all QB/SO owners think, "SO glad I pulled the trigger!"

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously 
Interested

So far this thread is turning out to be a good example of what Grant was 
probably hoping to avoid. Everybody has their little pet feature, which, if 
implemented, would be a "deal-breaker" for at least 50% of other potential 
buyers. If this turns out to be 650B with a threadless headset, 135 spacing, 
double TT, and Cambio-Corsa dropouts, maybe one person on Earth won't be turned 
off or alienated, but that one guy doesn't have any money. Oh well!

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[RBW] Re: Interloc Racing Design Defiant 50-34t Compact Road Double Crank

[Ron Mc]

Grant's 40/24 double makes a lot of sense for an all-purpose bike using 
11-32 9-speed.  From the gear calculator, there are 3 gears between 20 and 
30, and the fastest gear is still 99 inches.  You can spend all day on the 
road on the 40T chainring, and cover all terrain on the 24T.  

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 12:13:38 AM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> No doubt a 16t delta between chainrings is a large gap, but I find it can 
> work well. Particularly if you want the kind of large spread of gears that 
> drives you to cogs with 4 tooth gaps at the big end. Lately I have been 
> using a 9sp 11/32 cluster with 30/46 rings. When I shift between the 30 and 
> the 46 in front I am not going to anything like the other end of the 
> cluster. For example, riding on the 46t ring and either the 21 or 24t cog, 
> if I want to go one gear easier its either shift to the next bigger cog or 
> go to the 30t ring and drop down 2 cogs to hit essentially the same gear. 
> Changing rings and shifting 3 cogs keeps the gear about the same. If I only 
> wanted to get down to a low 30s inch gear, I might prefer a 12-27 cassette 
> with 34/48 rings. But for now I prefer being able to go a couple gears 
> lower than that when I venture onto the hills in the local regional parks 
> and open spaces (note 34/27 is nearly the same gear as 30/24 so the 28 and 
> 32t cogs give me two more gears on the low end).
> All gearing arrangements entail compromises. It is no surprise that 
> different riders, and especially riders in different terrain, find 
> different arrangements fit them better.
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:06:11 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have found a 16 tooth difference between rings unsatisfactory on two 
>> counts.  First, when I shift between rings, the next gear I am looking for 
>> is somewhere at the other end of the cluster, and the wider the range of 
>> the cluster the more difficult it is to find that gear.  A lot of momentum 
>> is lost on hills while I search for it.  Second, front detailers will shift 
>> 16 teeth,  but they don't really like it and tend to do it slowly.  More 
>> momentum loss.  I have found  better ways to get a wider range double 
>> without these problems.  First option is a 48/34, which will shift much 
>> faster and put the next gear exactly two cogs away.  The 12/48 is plenty 
>> big enough for everything short of hi end field sprints.  Better yet is a 
>> 44/30 with an 11-28 cluster.  the 44/11 is the same as a 48/12 and the 
>> 30/28 is only a half gear higher that  34/34.  This combination offers a 
>> cleaner shifting pattern and more closely spaced gears.  I also find I 
>> actually have less need to shift the front at all, although my Campy 
>> derailler does it so effortlessly that I never hesitate.  I have also found 
>> that this combination works very well with the new Shimano RD short cage, 
>> which greatly improves friction shifting.   I am using the White VCB crank 
>> on my Ram and really like it, but you can also get a 44/30 with a number of 
>> cranks that offer 94 spiders - DaVinci sells one (made by White Ind) and of 
>> course the beautiful, but expensive TA Carmina.  I wish RBW offered a good, 
>> sensible compact double. (hint, hint)
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>> On Friday, November 29, 2013 4:24:27 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Interloc website 
>>> Any experience or guidance on this crankset.  The alternative is a 
>>> Sugino Alpina compact.
>>>
>>> Here is the VeloORANGE take 
>>> on 
>>> their VO branded variant versus the Aplina.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Interloc Racing Design Defiant 50-34t Compact Road Double Crank

[Michael Hechmer]

I wasn't aware that riv was actually offering dbl. but I have used the 
Sugino triple as a dbl and wasn't impressed by the performance.  The only 
real advantages of a dbl are a bit of simplicity, a shorter rear derailler, 
faster more predictable shifting, and easier cleaning.  But the gains are 
small.  If I really need or want a very wide range of gears it seems to me 
that I will be better off with a triple.  I run triples on my Saluki, Trek, 
and tandem.  A 48/34 (or 38)/26 (or 24) with a 12-27 cassette will give 
smoother shifting, smaller steps, and a simpler pattern than an ultra wide 
range dbl.  Personally I find I can't spin a 24/27 combination fast enough 
to keep the bike moving in a straight line.

As for the White VBC crank.  I know a lot of riv fans are loath to put 
anything black on their bikes, and I'm pretty resistant too; but that crank 
is highly polished and looks much better in real life than in pictures. 
 The rings are excellent. MUSA. Cheaper than a TA but not cheap , about the 
same as a Compass.  It looks great on my Ram and is the best shifting bike 
I've had in 35 years of riding.

Michael


On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:13:38 AM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> No doubt a 16t delta between chainrings is a large gap, but I find it can 
> work well. Particularly if you want the kind of large spread of gears that 
> drives you to cogs with 4 tooth gaps at the big end. Lately I have been 
> using a 9sp 11/32 cluster with 30/46 rings. When I shift between the 30 and 
> the 46 in front I am not going to anything like the other end of the 
> cluster. For example, riding on the 46t ring and either the 21 or 24t cog, 
> if I want to go one gear easier its either shift to the next bigger cog or 
> go to the 30t ring and drop down 2 cogs to hit essentially the same gear. 
> Changing rings and shifting 3 cogs keeps the gear about the same. If I only 
> wanted to get down to a low 30s inch gear, I might prefer a 12-27 cassette 
> with 34/48 rings. But for now I prefer being able to go a couple gears 
> lower than that when I venture onto the hills in the local regional parks 
> and open spaces (note 34/27 is nearly the same gear as 30/24 so the 28 and 
> 32t cogs give me two more gears on the low end).
> All gearing arrangements entail compromises. It is no surprise that 
> different riders, and especially riders in different terrain, find 
> different arrangements fit them better.
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:06:11 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I have found a 16 tooth difference between rings unsatisfactory on two 
>> counts.  First, when I shift between rings, the next gear I am looking for 
>> is somewhere at the other end of the cluster, and the wider the range of 
>> the cluster the more difficult it is to find that gear.  A lot of momentum 
>> is lost on hills while I search for it.  Second, front detailers will shift 
>> 16 teeth,  but they don't really like it and tend to do it slowly.  More 
>> momentum loss.  I have found  better ways to get a wider range double 
>> without these problems.  First option is a 48/34, which will shift much 
>> faster and put the next gear exactly two cogs away.  The 12/48 is plenty 
>> big enough for everything short of hi end field sprints.  Better yet is a 
>> 44/30 with an 11-28 cluster.  the 44/11 is the same as a 48/12 and the 
>> 30/28 is only a half gear higher that  34/34.  This combination offers a 
>> cleaner shifting pattern and more closely spaced gears.  I also find I 
>> actually have less need to shift the front at all, although my Campy 
>> derailler does it so effortlessly that I never hesitate.  I have also found 
>> that this combination works very well with the new Shimano RD short cage, 
>> which greatly improves friction shifting.   I am using the White VCB crank 
>> on my Ram and really like it, but you can also get a 44/30 with a number of 
>> cranks that offer 94 spiders - DaVinci sells one (made by White Ind) and of 
>> course the beautiful, but expensive TA Carmina.  I wish RBW offered a good, 
>> sensible compact double. (hint, hint)
>>
>> Michael 
>>
>> On Friday, November 29, 2013 4:24:27 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Interloc website 
>>> Any experience or guidance on this crankset.  The alternative is a 
>>> Sugino Alpina compact.
>>>
>>> Here is the VeloORANGE take 
>>> on 
>>> their VO branded variant versus the Aplina.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

So far this thread is turning out to be a good example of what Grant was 
probably hoping to avoid. Everybody has their little pet feature, which, if 
implemented, would be a "deal-breaker" for at least 50% of other potential 
buyers. If this turns out to be 650B with a threadless headset, 135 spacing, 
double TT, and Cambio-Corsa dropouts, maybe one person on Earth won't be turned 
off or alienated, but that one guy doesn't have any money. Oh well!

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Bikes Books and Hatchet Openig Party

[Christopher Chen]

Holy shit maybe I should just ship my Hilsen down via Amtrak.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Manuel Acosta  wrote:

> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68311761245/bike-book-hatchet-grand-opening
>
> Bringing my camp gear for an overnight afterwords. Thinking juniper
> campgrounds. Anyone else up to ride 3000 ft of climbing in the dark?
>
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