Re: [RBW] Best/Worst

[Evan]

Shawn: If all else fails, try mounting the German mirror on your 
non-drive-side fork. That's what I did. The mirror started out on my (North 
Road) bars but I couldn't get a clear view behind me unless I leaned far 
out of the way. Now I just glance downward.

Evan E.
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Sykesville, MD 30-miler on Sam today.

[Michael]

@Tony,

Anytime you want just let me know and let's do it!
We can always bail if its too tough. But it's really not that bad. Somehow the 
return trip felt much easier.

Or, we can do the Grist Mill/B&A trail and/or BWI loop some time, which is near 
me and very flat like the trails in Arlington. Wooded scenery there.

@Nancy,

B&A trail and/or BWI loop is a great, easy ride from Catonsville via the 
Trolley and Grist Mill Trails. Let me know if you guys wanna do it some time.

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[RBW] Whoh-a-tross

[Christopher Chen]

I've been wanting to switch from 46 Noodles to Albas or Boscos for some
time now. I had a chance to put some 52 Boscos on my Bay Area bike, and
it's been so fun it's only accelerated my desire to go upright with the
Hilsen. Not to mention Coconut Bill came up to Portland with his
Albatross'd 47 Hilsen, and that was a hoot to ride around.

So I finally did it, and there's something I didn't expect. When I took the
bike for a test ride, it was just *so fun*. Like, giddy 12 year old fun. I
can't believe it.

So I'm hooked. And I'd be riding it right now if the shellac wasn't drying
as I'm writing this.

Pictures prove that the Albatross is one gorgeous bar.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/12008226814/

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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Tex69]

I'll throw my 2 cents in that I've been rolling a 26" Aeroheat now for 
around 4 years, built by Jim Thill, and have had no problems to speak of. I 
then had a rear wheel built last year with an Aeroheat that already had a 
spoke break, but to no fault of the rim. I'm a solid Clydesdale and have 
used my front wheel on an LHT, Troll, and now on an Atlantis. I'm a fan.

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[RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[Deacon Patrick]

Considering the title, I expected a story of woe (as in whoa!) with an 
Albatross playing the villain. Glad to hear it is actually the 
"Wha-ho-a-tross!" Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 2:00:14 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been wanting to switch from 46 Noodles to Albas or Boscos for some 
> time now. I had a chance to put some 52 Boscos on my Bay Area bike, and 
> it's been so fun it's only accelerated my desire to go upright with the 
> Hilsen. Not to mention Coconut Bill came up to Portland with his 
> Albatross'd 47 Hilsen, and that was a hoot to ride around.
>
> So I finally did it, and there's something I didn't expect. When I took 
> the bike for a test ride, it was just *so fun*. Like, giddy 12 year old 
> fun. I can't believe it.
>
> So I'm hooked. And I'd be riding it right now if the shellac wasn't drying 
> as I'm writing this.
>
> Pictures prove that the Albatross is one gorgeous bar.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/12008226814/
>
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[RBW] Whoh-a-tross

[Matthew J]

Looks phenomenal Chris.  I flare my levers out a bit as well.

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[RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[Tony DeFilippo]

Chris that sounds similar to my recent experience w/ the Atlantis, I'm 
loving the Alba's!  Nice job w/ the shellac.

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[RBW] Re: Sykesville, MD 30-miler on Sam today.

[Nancy Seibel]

We often do the BWI loop, B&A and routes Patapsco Park/Grist Mill. Be glad to 
arrange for the 3 or 4 of us to do one of these rides together one day. Our 
email contacts: nlsei...@gmail.com and jbust...@gmail.com

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Music

[jinxed]

>
> That was pretty cool!
>

Oddly, the narration sounded like a dead on Keanu Reeves ala Neo monolog to 
me.

"I know music-fu" 

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Re: [RBW] Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Tried that combo on my Mystery Bike, and it is too tight (and as others on this 
list have remarked, I'm more willing than most to tolerate a tight fit). Too 
bad, too -- that Rock 'n' Road is a great tire. Very grippy with the knobby 
tread, but still very quiet on pavement.

On Jan 17, 2014, at 11:10 PM, "rw1911" 
mailto:rw1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anyone running Longboards (P45) with BG RnR tires?  The tires are knobby 43s 
and the Riv site says the longboards will fit up to a 45, but I think it may be 
a typo...  doesn't P45 designate that it's a 45mm fender?  I'm thinking the SKS 
P50s will be required, but I'd prefer the creme longboards if possible.

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[RBW] Re: One Fish, Two Fish, Three Cross, Four Cross?

[ascpgh]

More crosses increases the tangent of each spoke and distributes the 
stresses among more of the components (rim, hub flange, spokes) but if a 
flange isn't large enough to do a four cross without beginning to bump 
other spoke heads, the exercise is pointless.

Forty spokes alone may increase durability under load without going to 4x 
lacing. Insight about particular hub, spokes, lacing and rim combinations 
from Peter White seems very pertinent. His interrogation of my bike, 
weight, load and uses preceded any estimate for a wheelset, he told me what 
to get after providing all that information.

Building a tandem-worthy wheel and putting it in a normally spaced frame 
might bring material stress to the frame, tandem hubs being 140 mm, and 
make your rear triangle bear more of it. I always went with the idea of 
bringing all parts of the bike to the level of use expected to produce the 
best outcome. 

Reminds me of a particular brand of aluminum bike that marketed stiffness 
and riders of those bridge girder frames destroying their OEM rear wheels 
in short time and when subsequently riding the hand-built replacements, 
wearing out rear tires in fantastically brief periods. Watching those 
riders climb or sprint from behind was amazing, even an average rider would 
produce a lateral "wag" left, and right, with each pedal stroke scrubbing 
the contact patch visibly back and forth. 

A little give among frame, tire, rim, spokes and hub distributes stresses 
and seems like the best objective. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:03:42 AM UTC-5, Curtis wrote:
>
> Looking for some words of wisdom regarding lacing a forty spoke rear wheel 
> 3 cross or 4 cross.  Is 4 cross an advantage in strength for a 95 kilogram 
> rider on a bike of unknown mass?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

[Ron Mc]

We've come half-circle on appearances.  In the 70s/80s, gumwalls looked 
techy, edgy and fast.  Now, it's blackwalls that look techy, edgy and fast, 
while gumwalls (or challenge tan rubber) look traditional and laid back.  

On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:00:59 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I love gumwalls!
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/4103817724
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4103814910/
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Eric Platt 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hmm, back when I rode mountain bikes (ca 1984-89) the tires in general 
>> were gumwall.  And broke down after  about 6 months.  That was also the 
>> problem with my last set of Pasela gumwalls.  Barely 1000 miles before the 
>> sides started to pull apart.
>>
>> As one can tell, I prefer blackwalls for reliability if nothing else.  
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Philip Williamson 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> fyp: 
>>>
>>> They still look like awesome tires to me.  One more example of how MTB 
>>> has perfected our aesthetic sense... 
>>>
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 17, 2014 1:59:56 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 01/17/2014 04:38 PM, Evan Baird wrote: 
 > At that time only low end tires would have been black wall, not the 
 > kind of "serious enthusiast" tires Panasonic, Mitsuboshi, Specialized 
 > and WTB were making in Japan. High end clincher tires were meant to 
 > look like sew ups, because that's what you saw on pro bikes. It 
 stated 
 > with MTB tires and then became trendy with road bikes as well. 

 They still look like low-end tires to me.  One more example of how MTB 
 has contaminated our aesthetic sense... 


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[RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[Kellie Stapleton]

I can relate. Just changed my bars last weekend

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:00:14 AM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been wanting to switch from 46 Noodles to Albas or Boscos for some 
> time now. I had a chance to put some 52 Boscos on my Bay Area bike, and 
> it's been so fun it's only accelerated my desire to go upright with the 
> Hilsen. Not to mention Coconut Bill came up to Portland with his 
> Albatross'd 47 Hilsen, and that was a hoot to ride around.
>
> So I finally did it, and there's something I didn't expect. When I took 
> the bike for a test ride, it was just *so fun*. Like, giddy 12 year old 
> fun. I can't believe it.
>
> So I'm hooked. And I'd be riding it right now if the shellac wasn't drying 
> as I'm writing this.
>
> Pictures prove that the Albatross is one gorgeous bar.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/12008226814/
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[cyclotourist]

I'm slowly collecting parts to Alba-ize my bike. Only things missing are
some shiftilators. Can go w/ Paul Thumbies, but holding out for some XT
seven speed thumb shifters w/ the hidden eight indent. I had some but
foolishly sold them.

Anybody have a set lying around that needs a new home?

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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> Chris that sounds similar to my recent experience w/ the Atlantis, I'm
> loving the Alba's!  Nice job w/ the shellac.
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Re: [RBW] Whoh-a-tross

[Curtis McKenzie]

I feel the same way about with the Albas even after five months.

Curtis "who has rolled with the Coconut's 47 AHH on his 67 AHH"

On Saturday, January 18, 2014, Christopher Chen  wrote:

> I've been wanting to switch from 46 Noodles to Albas or Boscos for some
> time now. I had a chance to put some 52 Boscos on my Bay Area bike, and
> it's been so fun it's only accelerated my desire to go upright with the
> Hilsen. Not to mention Coconut Bill came up to Portland with his
> Albatross'd 47 Hilsen, and that was a hoot to ride around.
>
> So I finally did it, and there's something I didn't expect. When I took
> the bike for a test ride, it was just *so fun*. Like, giddy 12 year old
> fun. I can't believe it.
>
> So I'm hooked. And I'd be riding it right now if the shellac wasn't drying
> as I'm writing this.
>
> Pictures prove that the Albatross is one gorgeous bar.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/12008226814/
>
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[RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[Coconutbill]

>
> It looks really classy, Chris! 
>
a good reminder for me to get shellacking.
Proof of 
shredding
 


 

>  
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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Eric Norris]

I generally favor frame-mounted pumps for high pressure tires. Various brands, 
but Blackburn usually makes a good product.

However, I've had good results with the "Quicker" mini pump. It will pump up a 
high pressure tire, and with a lower-pressure, high volume tire it works even 
better. Fits easily into a seat bag to keep the frame free of unnecessary 
clutter.

Rando tip: wrap reflective tape around your frame pump for extra nighttime 
visibility.

Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:
> 
> Topeak Road Morph.  Back in 2003, many years before I got the Riv, I was 
> participating in the annual Salem Bicycle Club Monster Cookie Bike Ride on my 
> Sekai 2400 (I still miss that bike).  Flatted in the wet by a hop field.  
> Now, I had dusted off the Sekai, and me, after a many year cycling hiatus.  I 
> was fixing the flat, when some riders stopped, and one pulled out his Road 
> Morph, quickly converted it to Schraeder, and pumped up the tire for me.  
> (27"x1.25"; how's that for old?)  Right then and there, I decided I needed 
> myself one of those; SO much easier to use than the Zefal frame pump I had.  
> 10+ years, still wouldn't trade that pump for anything.  I have a mount for 
> it on all my bikes, and move it as needed.
> 
> And yeah, it got a bit difficult to use, so I took it apart and lubed it, and 
> now it is just as good as new.
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Michael]

>
> So will any mini pump allow inflation of a wide tire to 50 psi in less 
> than 200 pumps (ballpark for both of these numbers)?
>
 

> Or is that just a dream, and I should go for full size frame pump?
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[RBW] Re: Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[Michael Hechmer]

I just installed the longboards on a Betty with Fatty Bumkins, which are 
about 40.5.  I wouldn't think any bigger tire would fit.
Michael

On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:10:43 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:
>
> Anyone running Longboards (P45) with BG RnR tires?  The tires are knobby 
> 43s and the Riv site says the longboards will fit up to a 45, but I think 
> it may be a typo...  doesn't P45 designate that it's a 45mm fender?  I'm 
> thinking the SKS P50s will be required, but I'd prefer the creme longboards 
> if possible.
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[RBW] rumor has it there's a 56 'beamer on sf craigslist

[Bill Lindsay]

and by "56 'beamer" I mean 56cm Quickbeam.  Metin, maybe this one is teed up 
for you to buy?  I'm on my phone, and can't easily post the link.

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[RBW] Re: rumor has it there's a 56 'beamer on sf craigslist

[rcnute]

Looks neat!  http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/4292311064.html

Ryan

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>
> and by "56 'beamer" I mean 56cm Quickbeam.  Metin, maybe this one is teed 
> up for you to buy?  I'm on my phone, and can't easily post the link.

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[RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[Bill Lindsay]

tonight might be "monochrome harlequin wrap night" on my new albatross cockpit.

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[RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[stormlight]

Andrew, If your still looking for the answer its because the late run 60cm 
Betties has a higher head tube. Kevin and Vince had explained to me that 
for the taller riders were maxing out the stem length and it looked 
sometimes off. So the after a certain run all off the 60cm bettys were made 
to be taller in the front which takes away the kink in the back. Vince has 
the shorter one with the kink and the demo 60 one for sale now is taller. 
 You lost about almost 2 inches of step through with the late run 60s

The 60 inch chev is the same as the late run 60 betty but with a longer 
chain stay.  (no kink, higher head tube and loss of step over) I haven't 
looked at the smaller Chevs to see if they keep the shorter head tube.

Cheers.


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:27:07 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first I 
> remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear 
> counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller sized 
> frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I must 
> not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But 
> why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top tube 
> identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and 
> stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. I like 
> the look of a single line from top of head tube to rear axle.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] FS in Seattle only. Park PRS-3 OS workstand

[Ty Graham]

Hey folks,

I've moved from my big house to a row house on capitol hill.  There's no 
room for a 100lb workstand.

Really nice and solid with some rusting on the base plate from being in my 
unheated garage.

I've used to work on my Atlantis so there's the connection.

$250 OBO.  I haven't put on CL yet.

Thanks

Ty Graham
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[ericf3]

And what do people use to lube their frame pumps?
 
thanks
 
ef
Vancouver

On Friday, 17 January 2014 09:32:19 UTC-8, Michael wrote:

>  
>
> *Was wondering what you all like to use on the road.* Frame pumps? Minis? 
> Any minis you find work good on high volume tires?
>

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[RBW] All rounder

[Bill Fulford]

It's snowing again in Maine and although I got a short ride in this morning I'm 
beginning to get a bad case of cabin fever. I was looking through my favorites 
on Flickr and was impressed by several photos of the all rounder. I came to 
rivendell after this model and know very little about it. What I'm most curious 
about is which current production model is most like the all rounder? Any 
insights would be appreciated.  Bill

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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Hugh Flynn]

Much like Joe Bernard, I hate carrying frame pumps in the along-the-top tube 
position for all the reasons he states. However, I do love frame pumps over 
most other alternatives. 

As long as I can find an alternate position for a full size pump (behind the 
seat tube, along the seat stay, or even along a chain stay, I'll take a full 
size pump with me. 

If I can't make an alternate position work for a frame pump, I'll toss a Road 
Morph in my saddle bag and call it a day. 

No mini-pumps here. They just aren't worth the hassle. 

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport MA



On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> It's true that most of us have fat tires and more volume, but remember that 
> more volume doesn't necessarily mean more air.  A 650Bx42 has a little more 
> than triple the volume of a 700x23.  But people usually run their 700x23 
> tires at about triple the pressure than people run their 650Bx42 tires, so 
> the total air you have to push through your pump is similar.  
> 
> Anyway, I have frame pumps on some bikes.  I love the old black Zefal HpX and 
> I have one of those.  I bought two or three of the new version when Riv had a 
> sale on them, and they work well, too.  I have gone minimalist on my Rando 
> setup, carrying a tiny mini pump in my handlebar bag.  On this last 100k, I 
> flatted in the rain and this all plastic uber mini was pitiful.  I probably 
> only got up to 20psi.  I was near an info control, so I thought I could catch 
> riders there and borrow an adult sized pump.  I asked a tandem team and they 
> handed me one of these micro floor pumps.  There's a little hose so you don't 
> risk tweaking the valve like you can with a frame pump.  The handle turns 
> 90degrees so you can really push, and there's a tiny foot that folds out that 
> you pinch under your foot, so you use it like a floor pump for dwarfs.  It 
> even had a tiny little gauge.  It was kickass.  I'm going to get one.  I 
> might get this Lezyne on sale, if only because of the overwritten prose in 
> the description:
> 
> Pump for a self-indulgent wordsmith?
> 
> On Friday, January 17, 2014 9:32:19 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
> Guessing almost everyone here uses high volume tires (33.mm and up tire 
> widths).
> I have a 5 year old tiny mini pump that would probably take hundreds of 
> strokes to get a Hetre or Marathon inflated to 50psi.
> 
> Was wondering what you all like to use on the road. Frame pumps? Minis? Any 
> minis you find work good on high volume tires?
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[RBW] Re: Best/Worst

[Michael Flournoy]

Quote:

> The German Mirror... Man, I really want to like that thing. I can't get it 
> positioned so that I can see behind me without leaning my body out of the 
> way. The bolt that fixes the mirror position rattled out and was lost after 
> a week of riding. The damn thing knocks into everything. I do like seeing 
> behind me, though, even if I have to lean out of the way. Where DO you 
> mount the blasted thing, anyway?
>
> That mirror, though. I shake my fist at it daily...
>
/
   It's a love/hate thing for sure. On a Sam with Albas I tried several 
different positions and now  have settled on using the brake lever "snout" 
just behind the cable adjuster, that moves it out enough to (mostly) not be 
looking at my elbow. But what I don't like is the convex which makes 
everything too small and hard to judge distance. For years I have used a  
Mirrycle 
MTB mirror which has a beautiful round flat glass mirror, clear - large 
field of view- and rugged. But it is a bar end mount and the Sam has bar 
end shifters. 
So far the German mirror is the best I've found but like you I stay 
frustrated.

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Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

[Tim Gavin]

Re: vintage MTB gumwalls

The '88 Schwinn Project KOM-10 I picked up recently still had on the
original Project KOM tires.  They look a bit better than this pair (ended
with 0 bids, go figure) on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261272704228
However, the rubber is really crumbly around the bead.  I'm not using them,
but I'd use one as an emergency spare.

Even knowing that they'll end up that grotty (and seeing my Lierre's get
discolored so quickly), I still prefer the look of gumwalls on any bike.
They even look good on fatties!
http://fat-bike.com/2013/10/surlys-new-limited-edition-special-ops-pug/

Tim


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> We've come half-circle on appearances.  In the 70s/80s, gumwalls looked
> techy, edgy and fast.  Now, it's blackwalls that look techy, edgy and fast,
> while gumwalls (or challenge tan rubber) look traditional and laid back.
>
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2014 8:00:59 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I love gumwalls!
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/4103817724
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4103814910/
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Eric Platt  wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, back when I rode mountain bikes (ca 1984-89) the tires in general
>>> were gumwall.  And broke down after  about 6 months.  That was also the
>>> problem with my last set of Pasela gumwalls.  Barely 1000 miles before the
>>> sides started to pull apart.
>>>
>>> As one can tell, I prefer blackwalls for reliability if nothing else.
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 fyp:

 They still look like awesome tires to me.  One more example of how MTB
 has perfected our aesthetic sense...


 Philip


 On Friday, January 17, 2014 1:59:56 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 01/17/2014 04:38 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
> > At that time only low end tires would have been black wall, not the
> > kind of "serious enthusiast" tires Panasonic, Mitsuboshi,
> Specialized
> > and WTB were making in Japan. High end clincher tires were meant to
> > look like sew ups, because that's what you saw on pro bikes. It
> stated
> > with MTB tires and then became trendy with road bikes as well.
>
> They still look like low-end tires to me.  One more example of how MTB
> has contaminated our aesthetic sense...
>
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[john]

Sounds interesting. How and where does the pump attach to the frame? 

On Friday, January 17, 2014 4:01:02 PM UTC-8, PeterG wrote:
>
> Road morph...absolutely

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[john]

That's the Road Morph, I mean.

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:50:08 AM UTC-8, john wrote:
>
> Sounds interesting. How and where does the pump attach to the frame? 
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2014 4:01:02 PM UTC-8, PeterG wrote:
>>
>> Road morph...absolutely
>
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[RBW] Re: All rounder

[jinxed]

>From an All Rounder owner...the closest current model would be the 
Atlantis. Others may correct me, but I believe it is the direct descendant 
of the AR.

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[RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Ron Mc]

On my 20-mi creek bottom ride this morning, the club was out again, and I 
saw my same large gentleman - he has leaned out a bit, though he was still 
pedaling a little slow.  He has moved his bars up higher, and he was 
wearing baggy clothes.  He smiled and waved at me - I smiled and waved 
back.  Sporting my rando bag to peel my layers as I warmed up - started out 
at 40-degrees, and a fast descent leaving my neighborhood, but was pushing 
60 by the time I climbed back into my neighborhood.Taking a longer ride 
tomorrow, and trying to burn some calories myself - past month have been 
short, though quick rides with my daughter.  




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:51:41 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> here's what I like about Just Ride.  It describes that racing is not the 
> end to the means.  That the means count for themselves.  I'll never be able 
> to forget the sight of a 300+-lb guy in lycra torturing himself over a long 
> threadless stem - the effort was just maintaining the position - he was 
> going very slow on flat land.  He looked up longingly as I pedaled the 
> other way, moving quickly, mostly upright in my moustache cockpit and baggy 
> pants.  He was a very round peg in a divaricate hole.  I really hope he 
> sticks with the riding, but somebody sold him something that they would 
> want to ride themselves and thought he should want the same.  This may be 
> an actual case of racing sucks, and I guess if the guys buying and selling 
> bicycles get it, then it may accomplish something positive.  Obviously 
> Surly, along with every other steel frame maker, is building something that 
> we can relate to, if not aspire to.   Unracer - I think it's a weird word, 
> and it's not one I'm going to wear on my togs or bike luggage, but I 
> understand it.  A racing sucks patch?  I don't see a place for it other 
> than offending your racing buddies, just as the author states as its 
> purpose - I don't have a place for that.  
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:29:56 PM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> For me, bike racing was not the thing in which to compete. I did my due 
>> diligence in my competitive discipline, I know the sacrifices, I can share 
>> and relate with others about the *depravities we have in common. Bike 
>> racers know nothing of the cycling I undertake nor are they prepared to 
>> follow me as I am not them.*
>>
>> *Cycling had always been my refuge from the all-in necessity of 
>> competition as I had been trained for it. Then the sign-sprint toads 
>> started showing up on my mountain bike rides and I had to veer into more 
>> odd cycling pursuits than they were interested. Anyone who knows the 
>> rearrangement one's life must undertake in order to truly be competitive in 
>> their personal pursuit knows well enough that anything below that level is 
>> a joke and a situation begging for someone to get hurt. I just would like 
>> to ride my bike, be it my Rivendell or my Surly; font on the down tube *
>> *independent.*
>>
>> *Andy Cheatham*
>>
>> *Pittsburgh*
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:36:41 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> Thought many of you fellow un-racers might appreciate this  as much as I 
>>> do: 
>>>
>>> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/racing_sucks
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[Michael]

>
> I use 40.5mm wide 650b tires with P45's and that is pushin' it width-wise.
>
Any wider and they look like they'd be peekin' out 'da sides. 

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[RBW] Re: Whoh-a-tross

[jinxed]

I set up my AHH with Alba's right before it got traded for an All Rounder. 
I really enjoyed the hand placement, but noticed the upright position did 
not play nice with my saddle. I messed with the adjustment trying to get it 
comfortable again, but didn't get it dialed before moving it on.

I still have the whole set up and have been wanting to try it again.

Full agreement with the changing of the attitude of the bike. It can't help 
but to add a fun beach cruiser feel.

Pic for 
reference

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[RBW] Re: All rounder

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Yes - that is the generally accepted pedigree:

B'stone XO
begat
Rivendell A/R
begat
Rivenedell Atlantis
begat
Rivendell Sam Hillborne (canti)

- J


On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:55:23 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>
> From an All Rounder owner...the closest current model would be the 
> Atlantis. Others may correct me, but I believe it is the direct descendant 
> of the AR.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Patrick Moore]

Thatsa nice-a! I can't get comfortable with M-bars, but the pic, and all
the scuttlebutt about Albatrosses, makes me want to build a singletrack
bike with -- what is a proper generic term? -- "upright" bars, at about the
same height.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> []
>
>
> 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: rumor has it there's a 56 'beamer on sf craigslist

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Ha! Pretty sure I spotted/cataloged that one "in the wild" back in '09

go here - scroll down:
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/

saddle and bars look pretty much the same.  photo was with my phone at the 
time, which had a hinge in it, so any visual imperfections are likely 
hardware based...

- J

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:35:46 AM UTC-8, rcnute wrote:
>
> Looks neat!  http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/4292311064.html
>
> Ryan
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:32:25 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> and by "56 'beamer" I mean 56cm Quickbeam.  Metin, maybe this one is teed 
>> up for you to buy?  I'm on my phone, and can't easily post the link.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All rounder

[Patrick Moore]

But isn't the Atlantis designed much more for loads and off road terrain?
The XOs -- certainly the XO-1 -- were certainly more road biased than dirt
biased, John Stamstead notwithstanding.

It seems to me that the Sam Hill is much more genetically similar to the
XOs than the Atlantis, as far as I understand the Atlantis.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Cyclofiend Jim
wrote:

> Yes - that is the generally accepted pedigree:
>
> B'stone XO
> begat
> Rivendell A/R
> begat
> Rivenedell Atlantis
> begat
> Rivendell Sam Hillborne (canti)
>
> - J
>
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:55:23 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> From an All Rounder owner...the closest current model would be the
>> Atlantis. Others may correct me, but I believe it is the direct descendant
>> of the AR.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike & Coffee Porn Video

[nathan spindel]

Or we could start a similar gathering in San Francisco. Stow Lake?


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:04 PM, franklyn  wrote:

> I guess I will have to ask to join such fine gatherings next time I visit
> Portland to find out the quality of the beverages, which I hope to be soon.
>
> Franklyn
>
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2014 7:42:45 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> Dude get a newer computer I can't believe you can't taste the video.
>>
>> Psssht
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:40 PM, franklyn  wrote:
>>
>>> It looks great, but what one cannot ascertain is how good the coffee is.
>>> Any reviews of the beverage at these gatherings?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: One Fish, Two Fish, Three Cross, Four Cross?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

A lot of it has to do with how hard you ride.  I know 135 pounders that eat 
wheels like free nachos and 17 stone riders who dance like gauzy ghosts and 
never bend a rim.  If you are hard on wheels, then 40 might be necessary.  
I've never spoken with a wheelbuilder who felt strongly that 4 cross was 
optimum for most riders and setups. 

40 spoke would be off the charts strong for me.  But, if you were running 
something you couldn't lift/lighten over potholes and rocks, it might be 
the right answer.  Also, if you are running larger volume wheels, you gain 
significant dispersion of any impacts.  

hope that helps,

- Jim
cyclofiend.com


On Friday, January 17, 2014 9:03:42 PM UTC-8, Curtis wrote:
>
> Looking for some words of wisdom regarding lacing a forty spoke rear wheel 
> 3 cross or 4 cross.  Is 4 cross an advantage in strength for a 95 kilogram 
> rider on a bike of unknown mass?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curtis
>
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Re: [RBW] All rounder

[James Warren]

Short answer: Atlantis

Long answer: the start of Riv featured three frames to be offered: Road, All 
Rounder, and Mountain.

With nothing else to compare to, Riv fans in the beginning who had been 
Bridgestone fans naturally mapped each of these forthcoming Riv offerings to 
their predecessors, the Bridgestone RB, XO, and MB.

But these equivalencies were not fully accurate, since Grant was now able to 
design things without many of the limitations that he had at Bridgestone where 
he was not the sole influence on frame design.

In the mid-to-late-90's the idea of the All-rounder was still pretty unique: a 
good touring oriented bike with cantis and good road-riding characteristics but 
with the room for big tires. Sure the touring bike with cantis was nothing new, 
but there wasn't much in the way of room for something close to 2" tires on 
such a bike in the common marketplace. The 1993 XO-1 was exciting in this 
regard. (And Specialized's Rock Combo as well.)

I remember the neat thing that made the XO-1 special was the design for 26" 
tires. A weak thing about hybrids of, say, 1991 was that they were made for 
700C wheels at a time when 700C tires were limited in their widths. Just by 
being made for 26" wheels, the XO's (and their predecessors the CB's) were 
smarter in their day. Of course the frame also had to have the room for the 
width. The 1992 XO-1 had sidepulls and had less room. The 1993 XO-1 was for 
cantis, could fit 26 x 1.9, and it was an exciting bike.

Around that time, by 1994, there was a Bridgestone contest to try to come up 
with a better name than "hybrid." They didn't want their awesome XO-1 to be 
called a hybrid, because most people who knew bikes at that time associated the 
word hybrid with the idea of a 700C compromise bike. The XO-1 was anything but 
a compromise. So as a Bridgestone fan at that time, I remember being excited by 
the following:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/38.htm


I have always guessed that the name All Rounder came up around this time, 
whether it was coined by the contest winner or not. Within a year, Riv was 
starting, and the first few Rivreaders were talking about the All Rounder model 
to carry on where the XO-1 left off. To me, these two bikes helped to blaze the 
trail for the greater abundance of road bikes made for big tires: a status quo 
that we all enjoy today that was not the case in the mid-90's.

In the later 90's, the All Rounder was mostly considered a 26" bike. There was 
some whining over the fact that Grant wouldn't make one for 26" wheels in sizes 
greater than 59 cm. "But if I want a 60+ cm All Rounder, how can I get wide 
tires?" Riv's answer was, "well, there are a few 2 inch 700C tires out now, and 
the offerings should get better over the years. Things are looking up." Anyway, 
the reason I bring this up is that one of the bigger evolutions to take place 
in the time between XO-1 and the year 1999 was the increasing availability of 
tires on the market, especially in 700C. This helped to optimize this special 
frame. By 1999, Grant wanted to make a more affordable All Rounder, and that's 
what the Atlantis started as. I'm pretty sure that the Atlantis offered better 
clearances than the 90's All Rounders.

Now it's 2014, and which model is the All Rounder most like? That might be a 
bit harder to say now, and that's a good thing: Over the last 10 years, the 
Rivs have become even more versatile. One All Rounder rider I know equates his 
to something more like the Riv Country bike (AHH or Hillborne.) I've never 
heard of anyone who didn't enjoy his/her All Rounder. And the Atlantis, the 
Hilsen, the Saluki, The Bleriot, and the Hillborne are all its descendents. A 
couple of those a little less so because they are made for sidepulls, but I 
consider the tire clearance to be the biggest thing, and a Hilsen with 700x43 
Rock and Roads is pretty worthy of the name All Rounder.

Maybe to some degree the Bombadil and Hunq also descend from the All rounder 
but I consider those mountain bikes. In the very early days of Riv, there was a 
lot of overlap between the All Rounder and its rare cousin the Riv Mountain 
model. So I see these as coming from the Mountain line where it is understood 
that there has always been commonalities between the All Rounder line and the 
Mountain line.

This is starting to feel like the elf lineage charts that one can find in a 
Tolkien appendix:

http://fortmarinus.com/projecttolkien.shtml


-Jim W.


On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Bill Fulford wrote:

> It's snowing again in Maine and although I got a short ride in this morning 
> I'm beginning to get a bad case of cabin fever. I was looking through my 
> favorites on Flickr and was impressed by several photos of the all rounder. I 
> came to rivendell after this model and know very little about it. What I'm 
> most curious about is which current production model is most like the all 
> rounder? Any insights would be appreciated.  Bi

Re: [RBW] Re: All rounder

[James Warren]

That's too Biblical. Needs to be more Elfish.: - )



On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Yes - that is the generally accepted pedigree:
> 
> B'stone XO
> begat
> Rivendell A/R
> begat
> Rivenedell Atlantis
> begat
> Rivendell Sam Hillborne (canti)
> 
> - J
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:55:23 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
> From an All Rounder owner...the closest current model would be the Atlantis. 
> Others may correct me, but I believe it is the direct descendant of the AR.
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Re: [RBW] Re: All rounder

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Just tracing the lineage, which is of course influenced by the other 
branches. GP has stated a number of times that the A/R stemmed from the 
XO.  (And around the Bay Area, spotting XO's on the trails was not an 
outlier, but at that time, seeing an MB with drop bars wasn't odd either...)

The Atlantis was a "production" version of the A/R - by moving it to Toyo 
they could produce them in greater numbers.  As with all the designs, it 
got refined a bit in the process.  The Mountain and A/R went away with the 
Atlantis replacing both (though the Mountain was never really made in any 
kind of quantity).

And you ended up with Ramouillet as the road-but-trails-worthy and the 
Atlantis as the trails-but-road-ready setups. Clearly delineated from one 
another, but with the ability (touted in all of the literature for both) to 
tune to your needs and desires.

I remember when the Atlantis came out, it seemed at the time to be more of 
a rough-stuff touring rig to me.  But at the time, my perspective was 
skewed by late-90s mtb technology.  When I finally realized that putting a 
hinge in the middle of a frame was not aligned with my riding needs, style 
or technique, it struck me as much more of an off-road machine.

Refs:

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis

http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

- J
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:17:01 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> But isn't the Atlantis designed much more for loads and off road terrain? 
> The XOs -- certainly the XO-1 -- were certainly more road biased than dirt 
> biased, John Stamstead notwithstanding.
>
> It seems to me that the Sam Hill is much more genetically similar to the 
> XOs than the Atlantis, as far as I understand the Atlantis.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Cyclofiend Jim 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Yes - that is the generally accepted pedigree:
>>
>> B'stone XO
>> begat
>> Rivendell A/R
>> begat
>> Rivenedell Atlantis
>> begat
>> Rivendell Sam Hillborne (canti)
>>
>> - J
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:55:23 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>>>
>>> From an All Rounder owner...the closest current model would be the 
>>> Atlantis. Others may correct me, but I believe it is the direct descendant 
>>> of the AR.
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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Bruce Herbitter]

A bike with long chain stays, like all Rivs, fit frame pumps pretty well
behind the seat tube. I use a shorter Zefal HPx2 on my old Nashbar (by
Maruishi) and Topeak Master Blasters on the Road and Ram. I do use a Road
morph with the little presser foot on the Saluki, but I've tied it to the
rear rack using a bungie cord.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Hugh Flynn  wrote:

> Much like Joe Bernard, I hate carrying frame pumps in the along-the-top
> tube position for all the reasons he states. However, I do love frame pumps
> over most other alternatives.
>
> As long as I can find an alternate position for a full size pump (behind
> the seat tube, along the seat stay, or even along a chain stay, I'll take a
> full size pump with me.
>
> If I can't make an alternate position work for a frame pump, I'll toss a
> Road Morph in my saddle bag and call it a day.
>
> No mini-pumps here. They just aren't worth the hassle.
>
> Hugh Flynn
> Newburyport MA
>
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It's true that most of us have fat tires and more volume, but remember
> that more volume doesn't necessarily mean more air.  A 650Bx42 has a little
> more than triple the volume of a 700x23.  But people usually run their
> 700x23 tires at about triple the pressure than people run their 650Bx42
> tires, so the total air you have to push through your pump is similar.
>
> Anyway, I have frame pumps on some bikes.  I love the old black Zefal HpX
> and I have one of those.  I bought two or three of the new version when Riv
> had a sale on them, and they work well, too.  I have gone minimalist on my
> Rando setup, carrying a tiny mini pump in my handlebar bag.  On this last
> 100k, I flatted in the rain and this all plastic uber mini was pitiful.  I
> probably only got up to 20psi.  I was near an info control, so I thought I
> could catch riders there and borrow an adult sized pump.  I asked a tandem
> team and they handed me one of these micro floor pumps.  There's a little
> hose so you don't risk tweaking the valve like you can with a frame pump.
>  The handle turns 90degrees so you can really push, and there's a tiny foot
> that folds out that you pinch under your foot, so you use it like a floor
> pump for dwarfs.  It even had a tiny little gauge.  It was kickass.  I'm
> going to get one.  I might get this Lezyne on sale, if only because of the
> overwritten prose in the description:
>
> Pump for a self-indulgent 
> wordsmith?
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2014 9:32:19 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Guessing almost everyone here uses high volume tires (33.mm and up
>> tire widths).
>> I have a 5 year old tiny mini pump that would probably take hundreds of
>> strokes to get a Hetre or Marathon inflated to 50psi.
>>
>> *Was wondering what you all like to use on the road.* Frame pumps?
>> Minis? Any minis you find work good on high volume tires?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I've put lithium car grease lightly on the shaft of pumps. Old pumps with
rust spots on the rods...


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:33 PM, ericf3  wrote:

> And what do people use to lube their frame pumps?
>
> thanks
>
> ef
> Vancouver
>
> On Friday, 17 January 2014 09:32:19 UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *Was wondering what you all like to use on the road.* Frame pumps?
>> Minis? Any minis you find work good on high volume tires?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Ron Mc]

Thanks Patrick, 
I really upgraded the old Raleigh buying the Phil wheelset that Bob L. 
listed right after Christmas.  I had been rolling on my 30+y-o Zeus/Rigida 
27s.  Timing was perfect.  A guy was looking for a fly rod built by Dwight 
Lyons and I had one to sell, so I offered the same amount for the wheels 
and Bob took me up on it.  I went from an Ultra 6 to a 7 in the rear, 
12-32T, and 19 usable gears 22" to 104". Parigis are all that will fit 
under my 37mm Honjo fenders,  Got my first good ride on it this morning, 
and on a mile-long descent easily outran my 104" for 45 mph.  It was a 
hoot.  I do love my M bars - they have a nice aero spot on them I dug into 
this morning climbing that mile against a 15mph headwind.  I'm spending a 
lot more time in 80" gear on this wheelset.  




On Saturday, January 18, 2014 1:14:21 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thatsa nice-a! I can't get comfortable with M-bars, but the pic, and all 
> the scuttlebutt about Albatrosses, makes me want to build a singletrack 
> bike with -- what is a proper generic term? -- "upright" bars, at about the 
> same height. 
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Ron Mc 
> > wrote:
>
>> []
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Carradice Bags, Nitto and Carradice Quick Release, King Cage, Velo-Orange, Saddlesack

[Dave]

 

Hey RBW, cleaning out the closet of some seldom used pieces.

Pictures here 

Carradice Zipped Roll - $40 (great condition)
Carradice Camper Longflap - $70 (used frequently, still in good shape)
Carradice SQR - $40
Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50 - $80
VO Grand Cru Seatpost, Long Setback - $30
VO Pass Hunter Rack - $60
VO Threadless Stem 25.4, +/- 17 degree rise, 120mm - $20
King Cage Stainless Steel Water Bottle Cage - $10
Sackville Shopsack, Large, Olive Green - $50

Shipping is $7 for a single item, $10 for 2, free for 3 or more. Happy to 
answer questions, take more photos, negotiate if my pricing seems off. 

Thanks,
Dave

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[RBW] Re: Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[rw1911]

Thanks all for the confirmation, guess I'll have to settle for silver.  


On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:10:43 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:
>
> Anyone running Longboards (P45) with BG RnR tires?  The tires are knobby 
> 43s and the Riv site says the longboards will fit up to a 45, but I think 
> it may be a typo...  doesn't P45 designate that it's a 45mm fender?  I'm 
> thinking the SKS P50s will be required, but I'd prefer the creme longboards 
> if possible.
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Re: [RBW] All rounder

[dougP]

Jim:

Thanks for the thoughtful, complete explanation.  I always admire your 
depth of knowledge of Rivendell history.  The printed Atlantis flyers show 
the bike in various formats, i.e., touring, mountain, commuter, so it's 
obvious the designer had versatility as a strong requirement.  That all 
made perfect sense to me and then John Shubert's test for Adventure Cycling 
(way back when) said to me "this is it, you're done shopping".  The idea of 
a bike that's not mission specific but rather just my bike, the one I ride 
for whatever I'm doing is highly appealing.  Granted, my range of missions 
is probably narrower than others but the all rounder concept works well for 
me.  

See you in Redlands!

dougP

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:26:12 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Short answer: Atlantis 
>
> Long answer: the start of Riv featured three frames to be offered: Road, 
> All Rounder, and Mountain. 
>
> With nothing else to compare to, Riv fans in the beginning who had been 
> Bridgestone fans naturally mapped each of these forthcoming Riv offerings 
> to their predecessors, the Bridgestone RB, XO, and MB. 
>
> But these equivalencies were not fully accurate, since Grant was now able 
> to design things without many of the limitations that he had at Bridgestone 
> where he was not the sole influence on frame design. 
>
> In the mid-to-late-90's the idea of the All-rounder was still pretty 
> unique: a good touring oriented bike with cantis and good road-riding 
> characteristics but with the room for big tires. Sure the touring bike with 
> cantis was nothing new, but there wasn't much in the way of room for 
> something close to 2" tires on such a bike in the common marketplace. The 
> 1993 XO-1 was exciting in this regard. (And Specialized's Rock Combo as 
> well.) 
>
> I remember the neat thing that made the XO-1 special was the design for 
> 26" tires. A weak thing about hybrids of, say, 1991 was that they were made 
> for 700C wheels at a time when 700C tires were limited in their widths. 
> Just by being made for 26" wheels, the XO's (and their predecessors the 
> CB's) were smarter in their day. Of course the frame also had to have the 
> room for the width. The 1992 XO-1 had sidepulls and had less room. The 1993 
> XO-1 was for cantis, could fit 26 x 1.9, and it was an exciting bike. 
>
> Around that time, by 1994, there was a Bridgestone contest to try to come 
> up with a better name than "hybrid." They didn't want their awesome XO-1 to 
> be called a hybrid, because most people who knew bikes at that time 
> associated the word hybrid with the idea of a 700C compromise bike. The 
> XO-1 was anything but a compromise. So as a Bridgestone fan at that time, I 
> remember being excited by the following: 
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1994/pages/38.htm 
>
>
> I have always guessed that the name All Rounder came up around this time, 
> whether it was coined by the contest winner or not. Within a year, Riv was 
> starting, and the first few Rivreaders were talking about the All Rounder 
> model to carry on where the XO-1 left off. To me, these two bikes helped to 
> blaze the trail for the greater abundance of road bikes made for big tires: 
> a status quo that we all enjoy today that was not the case in the mid-90's. 
>
> In the later 90's, the All Rounder was mostly considered a 26" bike. There 
> was some whining over the fact that Grant wouldn't make one for 26" wheels 
> in sizes greater than 59 cm. "But if I want a 60+ cm All Rounder, how can I 
> get wide tires?" Riv's answer was, "well, there are a few 2 inch 700C tires 
> out now, and the offerings should get better over the years. Things are 
> looking up." Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that one of the bigger 
> evolutions to take place in the time between XO-1 and the year 1999 was the 
> increasing availability of tires on the market, especially in 700C. This 
> helped to optimize this special frame. By 1999, Grant wanted to make a more 
> affordable All Rounder, and that's what the Atlantis started as. I'm pretty 
> sure that the Atlantis offered better clearances than the 90's All 
> Rounders. 
>
> Now it's 2014, and which model is the All Rounder most like? That might be 
> a bit harder to say now, and that's a good thing: Over the last 10 years, 
> the Rivs have become even more versatile. One All Rounder rider I know 
> equates his to something more like the Riv Country bike (AHH or Hillborne.) 
> I've never heard of anyone who didn't enjoy his/her All Rounder. And the 
> Atlantis, the Hilsen, the Saluki, The Bleriot, and the Hillborne are all 
> its descendents. A couple of those a little less so because they are made 
> for sidepulls, but I consider the tire clearance to be the biggest thing, 
> and a Hilsen with 700x43 Rock and Roads is pretty worthy of the name All 
> Rounder. 
>
> Maybe to some degree the Bombadil and Hunq also descend from the All 
> rounder but I consider those mountain bikes. 

Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[john]

Toshi, would you say the Mini Morph is equally good as the Road Morph, only 
smaller? In other words, is there a disadvantage to the Mini? Is there a 
noticeable difference in ability to pump up a tube?

Thanks,
John

On Friday, January 17, 2014 12:46:58 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
> FWIW, for those of you who are into mini pumps, there is a Topeak 
> mini-morph, which I use with my Roadeo and I just wrap it up in my 
> Mark's wrap and am good to go.  It has the same features as the Road 
> Morph, but smaller, and really does just fine pumping up my road tires 
> (Schwalbe Kojak 35mm). 
>
> Toshi 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Bill Gibson]

As for lubing pumps, I'd use your favorite bearing grease on pumps with
metal tubes and leather seals, but many modern pumps use plastic seals, and
bearing grease might cause premature crumbling. I'd choose silicone grease
for modern plastic seals. I often find I have to wipe off the innards of my
pumps, as interesting grit tends to build up in there. Maybe it's that
dusty Arizona air that the pumps are concentrating.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:35 PM, john  wrote:

> Toshi, would you say the Mini Morph is equally good as the Road Morph,
> only smaller? In other words, is there a disadvantage to the Mini? Is there
> a noticeable difference in ability to pump up a tube?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2014 12:46:58 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
>> FWIW, for those of you who are into mini pumps, there is a Topeak
>> mini-morph, which I use with my Roadeo and I just wrap it up in my
>> Mark's wrap and am good to go.  It has the same features as the Road
>> Morph, but smaller, and really does just fine pumping up my road tires
>> (Schwalbe Kojak 35mm).
>>
>> Toshi
>>
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[RBW] Re: All rounder

[Mike Schiller]

twins from a different time?  my Hillborne and an XO 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4513103792/

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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Matthew J]

However, I've had good results with the "Quicker" mini pump. It will pump 
up a high pressure tire, and with a lower-pressure, high volume tire it 
works even better. Fits easily into a seat bag to keep the frame free of 
unnecessary clutter. 

Consistent with my experience.  A very good pump.

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Re: [RBW] Re: All rounder

[James Warren]

That was a fun ride in March of 2010. There were two orange XO-1's with dummy 
levers on mustache bars, yet modified from the stock setup:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4512459117/in/photostream/



On Jan 18, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> twins from a different time?  my Hillborne and an XO  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4513103792/
> 
> ~mike
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Patrick Moore]

I remember the low, narrow, aero position. Almost 15 years ago I commuted
for 2-3 years or so on a too -small (56 cm c-c) mid '60s Bottechia that I
had built up as my second fixie with custom Salsa upjutter to get the bar
high enough (a lot lower than I could tolerate now, it must be said). The
bike was light and nimble, and with the levers placed more or less a la
Grant (ie, far up on the curves) I could get low and narrow while gripping
the hoods. Nelson longflap on the back. Good times.





On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

>  I do love my M bars - they have a nice aero spot on them I dug into this
> morning climbing that mile against a 15mph headwind.  I'm spending a lot
> more time in 80" gear on this wheelset.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Brian Campbell]

+1. I have one in the repair kit on all (4) of my bikes.

On Friday, January 17, 2014 3:46:58 PM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> FWIW, for those of you who are into mini pumps, there is a Topeak 
> mini-morph, which I use with my Roadeo and I just wrap it up in my 
> Mark's wrap and am good to go.  It has the same features as the Road 
> Morph, but smaller, and really does just fine pumping up my road tires 
> (Schwalbe Kojak 35mm). 
>
> Toshi 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: All rounder

[Ryan]

Wow 2 ! X0-1's in one spot. I've only ever seen 1 other X0-1 in 
Winnipeg...a fellow who's a friend of mine...My 20 year-old X0-1 still gets 
lots of compliments. I'd never get rid of it,

I bought the A/R to be the ne plus ultra X0-1 because I liked the design of 
the original X0-1 so much. Once I got it I hardly rode any of my other 
bikes.

so I guess I'm the owner of the great-great and great grandfather of the SH 
and AHH.

And, Mr.Warren and Mr. Cyclofiend, your encyclopaedic knowledge of all 
things Rivendell is impressive. 

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:06:20 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> That was a fun ride in March of 2010. There were two orange XO-1's with 
> dummy levers on mustache bars, yet modified from the stock setup:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4512459117/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> twins from a different time?  my Hillborne and an XO  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4513103792/
>
> ~mike
>
>
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>
> - 700x55
>
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>
>
>  
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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Leslie]

@ Mike Schiller:   I could be mistaken, but I think the Aeroheat came first;  
Velocity decided to roll it as a touring/29'er tire afterwards, but wanted to 
separate it so people wanting the usual 26" MTB rims wouldn't order the wrong 
one

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Re: [RBW] Re: All rounder

[rcnute]

Not really surprising but my XO-1 felt totally different than my Atlantis. 
 They really are their own beasts though of course XO-1 is the granddaddy.

Ryan

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 4:20:28 PM UTC-8, Ryan wrote:
>
> Wow 2 ! X0-1's in one spot. I've only ever seen 1 other X0-1 in 
> Winnipeg...a fellow who's a friend of mine...My 20 year-old X0-1 still gets 
> lots of compliments. I'd never get rid of it,
>
> I bought the A/R to be the ne plus ultra X0-1 because I liked the design 
> of the original X0-1 so much. Once I got it I hardly rode any of my other 
> bikes.
>
> so I guess I'm the owner of the great-great and great grandfather of the 
> SH and AHH.
>
> And, Mr.Warren and Mr. Cyclofiend, your encyclopaedic knowledge of all 
> things Rivendell is impressive. 
>
> On Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:06:20 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> That was a fun ride in March of 2010. There were two orange XO-1's with 
>> dummy levers on mustache bars, yet modified from the stock setup:
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4512459117/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>
>> twins from a different time?  my Hillborne and an XO  
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4513103792/
>>
>> ~mike
>>
>>
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[RBW] Which size Zefal HPX for my 52 Sam?

[Michael]

OK, so, thanks to the other thread asking about Riv riders and their 
preferred pumps, I thought I would get one frame pump for now, just to get 
on the road, and I will research the much more complex minis at leisure.

Now, my Sam TT measurement of 51.5 (inside seat tube to inside head tube 
measurement) puts me on either size 3 or size 4 according to RBW 
description.

Will one hold tighter than the other?

I was thinking maybe the larger size would compress the spring more and 
hold it tighter in the frame tubes?
I saw a demo on youtube and the pump the guy had on his bike was wiggly.

Thanks for any advice.

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[RBW] Re: Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[Michael]

>
> I himmed and hawed over the two colors myself.
>

I think both look just as good.

I am surprised no cream in the P50.

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[RBW] Re: Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[Michael]

>
> PS - the silver is a *brushed aluminum* finish under the clear plastic of 
> the fender. Hard to see the brushed texture in online pics. But it is 
> beautiful in person. Gives them a nice textured look.
>
 
Cream is a flat colored fender.
 

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[RBW] Whoh-a-tross

[Pondero]

I wondered whether I'd be able to use albatross bars on my 5-6 hour weekend 
rides.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/12021993526/

Enthusiastically, yes.

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[RBW] Re: Which size Zefal HPX for my 52 Sam?

[Deacon Patrick]

I have no idea what size my pump is for my 62 Hunqapillar, but it is good 
and snug (no wiggle or rattle: it's silent), requiring an intentional 
amount of compression to get it on. With this, I've never had it come off 
sen on the rougher trails I ride. So long as you can compress it on there, 
I say go with the biggest one that fits.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, January 18, 2014 6:08:50 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> OK, so, thanks to the other thread asking about Riv riders and their 
> preferred pumps, I thought I would get one frame pump for now, just to get 
> on the road, and I will research the much more complex minis at leisure.
>
> Now, my Sam TT measurement of 51.5 (inside seat tube to inside head tube 
> measurement) puts me on either size 3 or size 4 according to RBW 
> description.
>
> Will one hold tighter than the other?
>
> I was thinking maybe the larger size would compress the spring more and 
> hold it tighter in the frame tubes?
> I saw a demo on youtube and the pump the guy had on his bike was wiggly.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Off-Pavent Rides... Come to Redlands this Spring!

[cyclotourist]

The RSR is now even on the face time:
https://www.facebook.com/events/253431688149599

Just rode an alternative section today:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/12021253736/

I think you're going to like it!

Cheers,
David

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On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Figured I'd chime in.
>
> There is Burbank Airport. It's a 15 to 20 minute easy drive from my house.
> I could pick you up depending on your arrival date and time. Say you flew
> in on a Friday you can hang your hat overnight at our home then we can
> drive out the next morning really early or I could pick you up and we drive
> out late Friday(large amount of commuter traffic going East) camp at
> David's ( hey David you did make that offer months ago) and be up for the
> ride early Saturday morning.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 8:31 PM, dougP  wrote:
>
>> That extra 60 minutes could be optimistic.  Even if correct, those are 60
>> high stress minutes if you are driving or someone picking you up.  Best
>> escape from LAX is one of several bus services.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:14:01 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ONT has dropped a lot of flights, including many from big hubs. PSP at
>>> the same time is ramping up the # of flights. PSP is supposed to be a nice
>>> little airport as well. But if you can get to Ontario, it's closer and
>>> hopefully cheaper. LAX is only another 60 minutes away, but that's a whole
>>> other story...
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-feinstein-
>>> ontario-airport-20131219,0,1545418.story
>>>
>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/04/local/la-me-palm-
>>> springs-airport-20131205
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>>
 Palm Springs tends to be more expensive to fly into, and there are
 fewer carriers. Southwest flies out of Ontario, so it's easier to get to.

 Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
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 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:56 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

 Yes, what Doug said. But PS is very much adding a lot of flights. It's
 the "it" airport in SoCal right now. LAX is cheapest, but another hour 
 away.

 Cheers,
 David

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 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:50 PM, dougP  wrote:

>  Ontario is closest but service has cut way back the last few years.
> Palm Springs?  Mmmm, not so sure how far you can get from there.  Santa 
> Ana
> / John Wayne has service to Denver.
>
> If you want to ship a bike, we can work out someplace to receive it &
> send back.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:48:11 AM UTC-8, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> So...hypothetically speakingif one were to fly out from Denver
>>> CO...what would be the closest airport? Santa Ana?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which size Zefal HPX for my 52 Sam?

[Tom Virgil]

Hello Michael,

Here is the table from the Rivendell site:

No. 2 fits tube gaps 42cm - 46cm
No. 3 fits tube gaps 46cm - 52cm
No. 4 fits tube gaps 50cm - 56cm  

Here is a link to the page. 

My 52 Samuel Hillborne runs a legacy HPX (all black) that I purchased in 
1986.  I have no idea of the size.  We ran throughout pumps in the store 
until we found one that fit the bike I had at the time.  It has be 
repurposed for the Sam and fits under his top tube perfectly.

My All Road D6 Rando has a new HPX No. 3.  I used the chart and page.

I do use pieces of used tire at the pump peg and the seat/top tube junction 
to snug the pump and protect the paint.  That's just me; I am fussy like 
that.

Best Regards,

Tom


On Saturday, January 18, 2014 5:08:50 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> OK, so, thanks to the other thread asking about Riv riders and their 
> preferred pumps, I thought I would get one frame pump for now, just to get 
> on the road, and I will research the much more complex minis at leisure.
>
> Now, my Sam TT measurement of 51.5 (inside seat tube to inside head tube 
> measurement) puts me on either size 3 or size 4 according to RBW 
> description.
>
> Will one hold tighter than the other?
>
> I was thinking maybe the larger size would compress the spring more and 
> hold it tighter in the frame tubes?
> I saw a demo on youtube and the pump the guy had on his bike was wiggly.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>

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[RBW] Re: Poll for SF Bay Area National Gathering Date

[Coconutbill]

good one, David... but lets not give anything away.

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[RBW] Rainbow 200

[Andy Speier]

Just saw this post. I was in town for something else so I flew down with my 
Rivendell Road bike (circ 1995). It was a beautiful day and a great route.

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Re: [RBW] Rainbow 200

[cyclotourist]

Pictures, pictures, pictures!!!

:-)

Cheers,
David

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On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Andy Speier  wrote:

> Just saw this post. I was in town for something else so I flew down with
> my Rivendell Road bike (circ 1995). It was a beautiful day and a great
> route.
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[RBW] Re: Which size Zefal HPX for my 52 Sam?

[Michael]

>
> Thanks, Y'all.
>

On the Zefal site, they give diff't measurements which put my 51.5 ST/HT 
i-i measurement only into the Size 4, unless I am misunderstanding the 
charts and Zefal is talking  *frame* *sizes*, not* ST:HT i-i 
dimension*measurements, like RBW does.

Maybe I'll call RBW and see what they say.

I hope I am a 3, because they are outta the 4's for now.


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders use for tire pumps on the road?

[Michael]

>
> Thanks for the info, everyone. I really appreciate it!
>
 
I kind of like peg mount frame fitting pumps, and the types available in 
the US seem limited to a handful, which makes for easy decision making.
So I have decided to get the Zefal HPX for now, as I am sure it will make 
it much easier to inflate a tire than with a 12"-or-less mini pump (size 
needed to fit into my Pendle bag). 

Seems like the Road/Mini/Mountain Morphs are really popular, and the 
Quicker and the Lesynes.

Zefal also makes mini frame pumps about 11.5" long, but looks like only 
available in Europe. Too bad! They have the classic Silca shape to them.


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[RBW] Lots more Windsor photos, plus a first for me: a harlequin wrap

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks to several helpful how-to resources that I saw first here on the RBW 
group, I decided to try a harlequin wrap.  An idea that I floated years 
ago, but have never seen in person is a monochrome harlequin wrap on the 
grip area.  You get the great looking pattern and the great smooth grip 
area, but with not all that in-your-face contrast.  Anyway, I think it 
turned out absolutely fabulous.  Other highlights of the last 30 or so 
photos is that the drivetrain is now fully operational, and I did some 
successful fender modification.  Also, the rear brake is polished, meaning 
I'm done with aluminum polishing for this build.  Here's the monochrome 
harlequin:





And here's the whole Windsor 
Set.  Scroll 
to the bottom for the newest stuff


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[RBW] Rivendell sighting in Prolly isnt Probably

[Manuel Acosta]

One of my all time favorite  photographers is John Watson blogger of Prolly is 
Probably. His composition and ability to capture key moments of rides is truly 
inspiring.

While stuck waiting for wrestlers at a wrestling tournament I was going through 
my instagram feed and where I recognized a bike I knew.
Sure enough it's Jareds bike on John's feed in very familiar territory 
Mt.Diablo!

Here's the link to the ride report. Super hard first day climbing out of 
Oakland and up to green Rancho.

http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2014/01/rad-reportage-going-awol-in-the-diablo-range/#9

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[RBW] Re: Riv SKS longboard fenders and BG Rock n Road tires

[rw1911]

OK, so after some Googling, I've determined that the Longboard not 
available in a P50, cream or otherwise.  It looks like the standard 
(shorter) SKS is the only option available? Can I assume adding a long flap 
to the bottom front will net the same result?



On Friday, January 17, 2014 11:10:43 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:
>
> Anyone running Longboards (P45) with BG RnR tires?  The tires are knobby 
> 43s and the Riv site says the longboards will fit up to a 45, but I think 
> it may be a typo...  doesn't P45 designate that it's a 45mm fender?  I'm 
> thinking the SKS P50s will be required, but I'd prefer the creme longboards 
> if possible.
>

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