Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Trenker]

I'm not sure taking a bike to outer space would be such a good idea. 
There's nothing to ride on up there. 

 
  On Saturday, August 2, 2014 1:23:03 AM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:
>
>   Agreed. You can even take a bike to outer space and its tires 
> won't explode (at least if you keep it at reasonable temperatures).
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Metin Uz]

Agreed. You can even take a bike to outer space and its tires won't explode 
(at least if you keep it at reasonable temperatures).

--Metin

On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:58:25 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I have *ridden* from 0 to 7000 feet quite a few times, without doing 
> anything to my tires. So have lots of other people on this list. Our tires 
> didn't explode off the rims. 
>
> Riding up mountains on one's bike is not a rare occurrence, and tires 
> don't explode when you get to the top. This is not a real problem.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Chen 
> > wrote:
>
>> Microbial dance party!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Garth > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How do you account for the bulging of *some* yogurt containers and milk 
>>> cartons low elevations like 600 ft. ? 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:17:37 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:

 No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi 
 when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large 
 percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.

 --Metin

 On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and 
> natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of 
> yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to 
> mention a host of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them 
> !! 
>
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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Has spokes changed that much? According to a chart in Jobst's book, the 
yield strength of spokes was something like twice or thrice the tension 
typically applied in a normal wheel. The spokes are typically not any 
thinner than are currently available to mitigate spoke windup from to low 
torsional strength. I actually have some experience with this as building 
with 2.0/1.5 spokes, especially on the rear drive side, is a bit of a pain.


On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:17:03 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote:
>
> The idea is that you want the spokes to be in the "sweet spot" between 
> always being tensioned yet never reaching the limit of their elastic 
> modulus. Too much tension will stress the eyelets and hub flanges, and you 
> also approach the limit of the spoke elastic modulus;  Too little tension 
> and the spokes will not maintain enough tension as the wheel deflects. 
>
> Anton
>
>
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:01:49 PM UTC-4, M D Smith wrote:
>>
>> I've always understood that the higher the tension, the stronger the 
>> wheel.
>>
>> I haven't re-read the Brandt book for a number of years, but isn't his 
>> technique effectively "get the spokes so tight that the wheel starts to 
>> taco, then back off a bit?"
>>
>> Mike in Htfd CT
>>
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Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 9 topics

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On Aug 1, 2014, at 5:22 PM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

>   Today's topic summary
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/topics
>   *   Deflate bike tires before ascent in car? [7 Updates]
>   *   650b wheel building question [6 Updates]
>   *   RBWHQ Spy Photos!! [2 Updates]
>   *   Minneapolis country bike rally [2 Updates]
>   *   Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack [1 Update]
>   *   ISO Meishas bar end grips [1 Update]
>   *   Refined S240 setup! [4 Updates]
>   *   FS/WTT: Nitto Technomic and Moustache [1 Update]
>   *   FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset 
> [1 Update]
>  Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?
>   *   Metin Uz  Aug 01 11:21AM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   On Friday, August 1, 2014 5:42:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>   *
>   *   > from sea level to 7000', you'll get a 20% increase in tire 
> pressure
>   *
>   *   That's true, only if you start with 0psi in your tires. The 
> ambient 
>   *   pressure has dropped, but this does not proportionally increase 
> the tire 
>   *   pressure, it simply adds a few psi to the pressure. It's easy 
> to conduct a 
>   *   thought experiment to verify this. Imagine a tire taken to 
> space (or vacuum 
>   *   environment). The pressure goes up by 14.7psi, which is the 
> original 
>   *   ambient pressure no longer counteracting the pressure from the 
> air in the 
>   *   tires. If the pressure were to be scaled, it would increase by 
> an infinite 
>   *   ratio!
>   *
>   *   --Metin
>   *
>   *   Anne Paulson  Aug 01 11:35AM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   If your tire is going to explode if its pressure increases by 5 
> psi, you
>   *   should not deflate it when you go to altitude. Rather, you 
> should get a new
>   *   tire at once, because you are riding on a dangerous tire.
>   *
>   *
>   *
>   *   -- 
>   *   -- Anne Paulson
>   *
>   *   It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>   *
>   *   Ron Mc  Aug 01 12:21PM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   Mad's 1000 snappy answers? 
>   *
>   *   On Friday, August 1, 2014 1:35:43 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>   *
>   *   Chris Chen  Aug 01 12:30PM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   Wait. You ride on recycled PET plastic containers? :)
>   *
>   *   are they supple?
>   *
>   *
>   *
>   *   -- 
>   *   "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah
>   *
>   *   dougP  Aug 01 02:36PM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   Professional race team support vehicles carry loads of spare 
> wheels, fully 
>   *   inflated & ready to ride, up to significant altitudes, often 
> multiple times 
>   *   during the day, with no concern about exploding tires. My guess 
> is these 
>   *   tires are a good deal lighter in construction than a typical 
> touring tire. 
>   *
>   *   I've seen that with food & beverage containers. Always point 
> them away 
>   *   from yourself when opening to avoid splatters. Even happens on 
> pressurized 
>   *   airplanes. 
>   *
>   *   dougP
>   *
>   *   On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:30:27 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>   *
>   *   Garth  Aug 01 03:06PM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures 
> and natural 
>   *   bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of 
> yogurt at 
>   *   any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to 
> mention a host 
>   *   of dairy products and other foods . I would not buy them !!
>   *
>   *   Metin Uz  Aug 01 05:17PM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are 
> at 0 psi 
>   *   when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results 
> in a large 
>   *   percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.
>   *
>   *   --Metin
>   *
>   *   On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>   *
>  650b wheel building question
>   *   Anton Tutter  Aug 01 07:17AM -0700  
>   *   
>   *   The idea is that you want the spokes to be

[RBW] Re: Paul Thumbies or IRD stem mounted shifters?

[dougP]

I've been using thumbies on my Atlantis since changing over to flat bars.  
I like them a lot (levers came from my bar ends).  Other riders speak 
highly of the stem shifters & they really are a clean installation.  I 
think if most of your riding is on roads & good trails, stems would be fine 
on drop bars.  However, thumbies have the advantage of easy access in 
rougher off-road situations.  

Since you've got them, try them both.  Be prepared for a bit of screwing 
around with cable housings & cables when changing.  Not bad once you've 
done it a few times but not fun either.

dougP

On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:32:03 PM UTC-7, mike goldman wrote:
>
> i have both but haven't tried either. i dont want bar ends. the handlebar 
> will be a Noodle. what are you real world experiences using Thumbies and/or 
> the IRD mount 
>
> mike goldman 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Shaun Meehan]

Don't know how I missed this thread before. I'll probably be there for at
least one of the days, if not both. Riding one of the workhorse Surlys.
Looking forward to it!

Shaun


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, I'd like to know who's coming. Please email me offlist to let me
> know who you are, and where you're traveling from.
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:53:34 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>>
>> All rallying and riding will be centered at Hiawatha Cyclery, 4313 E 54th
>> St, Minneapolis, MN 55417. It's inside the corner formed by the junction of
>> Highways 55 and 62 in South Minneapolis. There is plenty of free parking on
>> adjacent residential streets.
>>
>> HC is just a few blocks from two different light rail stations (50th
>> Street, and VA Medical Center), which means convenience from any lodging
>> located near downtown Minneapolis, MSP airport, or Mall of America.
>> Minneapolis is arguably the most bike-accommodated city in the USA, so
>> you'll have no problem pedaling from one side of town to the other on
>> high-quality bicycle infrastructure. Downtown Saint Paul is also a
>> reasonable option.
>>
>> Marc's campsite at Lebanon Hills is roughly 17 bike-able miles away.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:34:34 PM UTC-5, Kevin M wrote:
>>>
>>> If we're looking for lodging, where can be considered "ground zero" for
>>> the rally and rides?
>>>
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[RBW] Paul Thumbies or IRD stem mounted shifters?

[mikel66...@juno.com]

i have both but haven't tried either. i dont want bar ends. the handlebar will 
be a Noodle. what are you real world experiences using Thumbies and/or the IRD 
mount

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[RBW] Re: RBWHQ Spy Photos!!

[dougP]

For a couple of years?  To me, that suggests the "different things" must be 
an all-in commitment to the new bike.  It's gotta be a bike; it would take 
a buncha hatchets to make up for No Sams.  This is intriguing.  Grant & the 
elves are definitely up to something.  Let the suspense (and speculation) 
build.  

H.haven't bought a new bike since 2003.

dougP

On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:41:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> ...and now catching up on the BLUG, which says there's a Sam order 
> arriving in September followed by no more Samuel Hillbornes for a couple 
> years, since they will be doing other things.  I imagine these bikes might 
> be the other things
>
> I also missed the fact that if you buy a Sam in the next 80 minutes you 
> get $100 of free money!  Who hates free money?
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Anne Paulson]

I have *ridden* from 0 to 7000 feet quite a few times, without doing
anything to my tires. So have lots of other people on this list. Our tires
didn't explode off the rims.

Riding up mountains on one's bike is not a rare occurrence, and tires don't
explode when you get to the top. This is not a real problem.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> Microbial dance party!
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>> How do you account for the bulging of *some* yogurt containers and milk
>> cartons low elevations like 600 ft. ?
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:17:37 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:
>>>
>>> No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi
>>> when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large
>>> percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.
>>>
>>> --Metin
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:


 Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and
 natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of
 yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to
 mention a host of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them !!

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[RBW] FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth saddlebag, DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc

[bo richardson]

and the leather mudflaps please

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[RBW] FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth saddlebag, DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc

[bo richardson]

i will take the fingertip shifters and the dirt drop stem
if it isnt too late

thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Chris Chen]

Microbial dance party!


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Garth  wrote:

> How do you account for the bulging of *some* yogurt containers and milk
> cartons low elevations like 600 ft. ?
>
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:17:37 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:
>>
>> No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi
>> when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large
>> percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.
>>
>> --Metin
>>
>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and
>>> natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of
>>> yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to
>>> mention a host of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them !!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Garth]

How do you account for the bulging of *some* yogurt containers and milk 
cartons low elevations like 600 ft. ? 


On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:17:37 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote:
>
> No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi 
> when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large 
> percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.
>
> --Metin
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and 
>> natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of 
>> yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to 
>> mention a host of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them !! 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Chris Chen]

Pedant here. They are *not* at 0psi. They are at ambient air pressure. :)


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Metin Uz  wrote:

> No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi
> when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large
> percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.
>
> --Metin
>
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and
>> natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of
>> yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to
>> mention a host of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them !!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Metin Uz]

No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi 
when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large 
percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure.

--Metin

On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and 
> natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of 
> yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to 
> mention a host of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them !! 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[Chris Chen]

Sorry if I'm being a bit rude, but you hear a lot of weird stuff.

cc


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

> Wit a minute!!
>>
>
>
>> Hold everything!
>>
>
>
>> *None of that stuff ever happened.*
>>
>
>
>> It was a hypothetical question for future reference, and to reassure
>> myself about the current LBS-built wheels I have.
>>
>
> What I meant was:
>
>>
>>
> *Is there any reason to believe that a non-650b LBS can't properly build
> 650b wheels, as mostly I live in a 650b-free zone, and I am sure the
> mechanics may never have built them before? Is there anything different
> about building 650b wheels that they may not know?*
>
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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[lungimsam]

>
> Wit a minute!!
>
 

> Hold everything!
>
 

> *None of that stuff ever happened.*
>
 

> It was a hypothetical question for future reference, and to reassure 
> myself about the current LBS-built wheels I have.
>

What I meant was: 

>  
>
*Is there any reason to believe that a non-650b LBS can't properly build 
650b wheels, as mostly I live in a 650b-free zone, and I am sure the 
mechanics may never have built them before? Is there anything different 
about building 650b wheels that they may not know?*


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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[Ken Mattina]

Hey guys, there's nothing wrong with a mechanic who shows a little
humility.  I know some great mechanics who aren't very good at promoting
themselves.

On the other hand, I've met some know-it-all mechanics who aren't very good.

Just sayin'

Ken


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> +1million
>
> Me:  "Can I pay you to build some wheels?"
> Mech:  "Sure!  Is there anything special I need to know about these?"
> Me:  "You know what?  Nevermind"
>
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>   Just saying . . lol . . . .  if there is something they need to know
>> about building up some wheels  . . .  .you might want to reconsider having
>> them build your wheels ! ;)
>>
>>   It depends on what you value the most, being "local" and taking your
>> chances, or having wheels that suredly "stand", meaning they'll likely
>> never need to be trued or touched once they leave the builders hand.
>> That's why I gladly and joyously pay to have a dedicated professional like
>> Joe Young build my wheels :)
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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[Bill Lindsay]

+1million

Me:  "Can I pay you to build some wheels?"
Mech:  "Sure!  Is there anything special I need to know about these?"
Me:  "You know what?  Nevermind"

On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   Just saying . . lol . . . .  if there is something they need to know 
> about building up some wheels  . . .  .you might want to reconsider having 
> them build your wheels ! ;) 
>
>   It depends on what you value the most, being "local" and taking your 
> chances, or having wheels that suredly "stand", meaning they'll likely 
> never need to be trued or touched once they leave the builders hand.  
> That's why I gladly and joyously pay to have a dedicated professional like 
> Joe Young build my wheels :)  
>

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[RBW] Re: RBWHQ Spy Photos!!

[Bill Lindsay]

...and now catching up on the BLUG, which says there's a Sam order arriving 
in September followed by no more Samuel Hillbornes for a couple years, 
since they will be doing other things.  I imagine these bikes might be the 
other things

I also missed the fact that if you buy a Sam in the next 80 minutes you get 
$100 of free money!  Who hates free money?


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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Garth]

Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and natural 
bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of yogurt at 
any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to mention a host 
of dairy products and other foods .  I would not buy them !! 

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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[dougP]

Professional race team support vehicles carry loads of spare wheels, fully 
inflated & ready to ride, up to significant altitudes, often multiple times 
during the day, with no concern about exploding tires.  My guess is these 
tires are a good deal lighter in construction than a typical touring tire.  

I've seen that with food & beverage containers.  Always point them away 
from yourself when opening to avoid splatters.  Even happens on pressurized 
airplanes.  

dougP

On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:30:27 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft 
> altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level.  
>
> I remember seeing yogurt containers in Santa Fe that were actually bulging 
> and it got me thinking that the same thing could happen with bike tires if 
> you departed lower elevation with near max pressure.  So i was thinking of 
> airing my LoupLoups down to 40psi or so for the trip.
>
> Or is it unnecessary?
>

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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[Garth]

  Just saying . . lol . . . .  if there is something they need to know 
about building up some wheels  . . .  .you might want to reconsider having 
them build your wheels ! ;) 

  It depends on what you value the most, being "local" and taking your 
chances, or having wheels that suredly "stand", meaning they'll likely 
never need to be trued or touched once they leave the builders hand.  
That's why I gladly and joyously pay to have a dedicated professional like 
Joe Young build my wheels :)  

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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Also, I'd like to know who's coming. Please email me offlist to let me know 
who you are, and where you're traveling from. 

On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:53:34 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> All rallying and riding will be centered at Hiawatha Cyclery, 4313 E 54th 
> St, Minneapolis, MN 55417. It's inside the corner formed by the junction of 
> Highways 55 and 62 in South Minneapolis. There is plenty of free parking on 
> adjacent residential streets.
>
> HC is just a few blocks from two different light rail stations (50th 
> Street, and VA Medical Center), which means convenience from any lodging 
> located near downtown Minneapolis, MSP airport, or Mall of America. 
> Minneapolis is arguably the most bike-accommodated city in the USA, so 
> you'll have no problem pedaling from one side of town to the other on 
> high-quality bicycle infrastructure. Downtown Saint Paul is also a 
> reasonable option.
>
> Marc's campsite at Lebanon Hills is roughly 17 bike-able miles away.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:34:34 PM UTC-5, Kevin M wrote:
>>
>> If we're looking for lodging, where can be considered "ground zero" for 
>> the rally and rides?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

All rallying and riding will be centered at Hiawatha Cyclery, 4313 E 54th 
St, Minneapolis, MN 55417. It's inside the corner formed by the junction of 
Highways 55 and 62 in South Minneapolis. There is plenty of free parking on 
adjacent residential streets.

HC is just a few blocks from two different light rail stations (50th 
Street, and VA Medical Center), which means convenience from any lodging 
located near downtown Minneapolis, MSP airport, or Mall of America. 
Minneapolis is arguably the most bike-accommodated city in the USA, so 
you'll have no problem pedaling from one side of town to the other on 
high-quality bicycle infrastructure. Downtown Saint Paul is also a 
reasonable option.

Marc's campsite at Lebanon Hills is roughly 17 bike-able miles away.



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> If we're looking for lodging, where can be considered "ground zero" for 
> the rally and rides?
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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks Craig. This was a trip full of an embarrassment of riches! Enjoy 
your trip -- looks like beautiful country.

When it comes to water, if you haven't read "Waterlogged" you may find it 
fascinating. My water intake is 1/3rd what it used to be. What changed? 
Elimination of grains and only breathing through my nose. Makes what I 
carry go a LOT farther.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:15:26 PM UTC-6, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
> Wow! That looks like roughstuffing in the finest British tradition. The 
> beauty of the high country is that you don't have to live in fear of 
> running out of water and dying a piece of jerky. That cuts your weight by a 
> quarter right there. Well Patrick, you got me psyched. Headin' off into the 
> backcountry of the White Mtns of AZ in two weeks and can't wait. 
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=white+mountains+arizona&rlz=1T4NDKB_enUS568US570&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aPTbU-b-Mof4oASsnYKYBw&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=642#imgdii
> =_
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:37:08 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> Wow. Wow. Wow!
>>
>> The plan was six days, but I needed to come out two days early because 
>> vertigo and scree (rocks that slip under your feet) do not play well 
>> together.
>>
>> Wow. Things really seem to be getting dialed in in terms of gear and 
>> bike. The Albastache (vs Albatross) bars and 2.25” wide Smart Sams (vs 50mm 
>> Duremes) made climbing and descending the technical parts (which was most 
>> of it) far easier. I’ve honed down my gear such that everything weighs 
>> roughly 35 pounds, including water, hatchet, and firebox.
>>
>> For me, with brain injury and sensitivity to noise and scents, I try and 
>> avoid ATV’s and their ilk. I failed to do this heading in (it’s a popular 
>> ATV road to the trail head). Fortunately it was still early enough that it 
>> was lightish traffic and I made unmotorized single track fairly quickly. 
>> The climb up to the tundra was wonderful and the time on the tundra was 
>> stunning.
>>
>> Rain, fog, sleet, hail, with accidental storms of sunshine was the 
>> weather. When you have stunning, epic views, these weather system make for 
>> amazing beauty. Wow.
>>
>> Lots of LCG (lowest common gear). If the trail went up, it didn’t mess 
>> around it went UP. Grant is right, bikers are biathletes. Grin. More time 
>> to admire the stunning alpine flowers going off like slow motion fireworks.
>>
>> Got to descend an old narrow gage rail bed, the line used to transport 
>> coal and supplies for gold mines. The ties were still down for much of it, 
>> though half filled in and round down, which made for a bouncy, fun ride!
>>
>> All in all a fantastic trip that pushed my boundaries, and the boundaries 
>> pushed back. Always good to know where those puppies are so I can push them 
>> more wisely next time. Grin. Getting to ride on the alpine tundra is an 
>> amazing blessing.
>>
>> Pictures: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645664039089/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>>  
>>

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[RBW] ISO Meishas bar end grips

[Goshen Peter]

Hey all, I need another set of grips for a project bike and wanted to know
if anyone had a spare set they wanted to unload before I buy new at
Rivendell. Thanks all.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Chris Chen]

Hahaha does this count as ultralight?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14617468440/


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> DO IT
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM, William! 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>>
>>> Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2),
>>> sleeping bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil,
>>> clothes, and air pillow in my medium sackville saddlebag at 12.5 lbs. plus
>>> bike tools. Super excited. Leaves my front basket with a shopsack for food,
>>> toiletries, scenty things, whiskey, and other random items. ready to roll!
>>> now I just need to find a free weekend between now and 2030. anyone for a
>>> mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September (I know, its a long ways
>>> away, but I have 3 out of town trips in august! Still new to the bike
>>> camping with my new Hunqapillar and gear, but not camping camping.
>>>
>>> also, anyone else just stuff their tent in the stuff sack? or is the
>>> proper way to roll it and minimize creases? both short and long term
>>> storage? I realize there's a million camping sites to ask this, but I tend
>>> to hang out here more.
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[RBW] FS/WTT: Nitto Technomic and Moustache

[Mike K.]

I have a Nitto Technomic stem, 26mm clamp. 225mm quill length. Only 50mm 
reach. Great alternative to a Dirt Drop if you need something high and 
tight.
Also, a Nitto Moustache bar. I will have to check when I get home if it's 
25.4mm or 26mm clamp area. I bought it locally and don't remember.

Looking for a Technomic Stem with 70 or 80mm reach, or one of them new 
Albastache bars if anyone has a pair that hasn't worked out to your liking.

If you're just looking to just buy the stem or bars from me, I'll take $50 
for either item, shipped CONUS. I'll put up pictures this evening after 
work.

Feel free to pm me off the list.

- Mike in Austin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Chris Chen]

DO IT


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM, William! 
wrote:

> Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo.
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
>> Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), sleeping
>> bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil, clothes,
>> and air pillow in my medium sackville saddlebag at 12.5 lbs. plus bike
>> tools. Super excited. Leaves my front basket with a shopsack for food,
>> toiletries, scenty things, whiskey, and other random items. ready to roll!
>> now I just need to find a free weekend between now and 2030. anyone for a
>> mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September (I know, its a long ways
>> away, but I have 3 out of town trips in august! Still new to the bike
>> camping with my new Hunqapillar and gear, but not camping camping.
>>
>> also, anyone else just stuff their tent in the stuff sack? or is the
>> proper way to roll it and minimize creases? both short and long term
>> storage? I realize there's a million camping sites to ask this, but I tend
>> to hang out here more.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[William!]

Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo.

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
> Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), sleeping 
> bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil, clothes, 
> and air pillow in my medium sackville saddlebag at 12.5 lbs. plus bike 
> tools. Super excited. Leaves my front basket with a shopsack for food, 
> toiletries, scenty things, whiskey, and other random items. ready to roll! 
> now I just need to find a free weekend between now and 2030. anyone for a 
> mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September (I know, its a long ways 
> away, but I have 3 out of town trips in august! Still new to the bike 
> camping with my new Hunqapillar and gear, but not camping camping.
>
> also, anyone else just stuff their tent in the stuff sack? or is the 
> proper way to roll it and minimize creases? both short and long term 
> storage? I realize there's a million camping sites to ask this, but I tend 
> to hang out here more.
>

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Re: [RBW] Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Chris Chen]

Wait. You ride on recycled PET plastic containers? :)

are they supple?


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft
> altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level.
>
> I remember seeing yogurt containers in Santa Fe that were actually bulging
> and it got me thinking that the same thing could happen with bike tires if
> you departed lower elevation with near max pressure.  So i was thinking of
> airing my LoupLoups down to 40psi or so for the trip.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Ron Mc]

Mad's 1000 snappy answers?  

On Friday, August 1, 2014 1:35:43 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> If your tire is going to explode if its pressure increases by 5 psi, you 
> should not deflate it when you go to altitude. Rather, you should get a new 
> tire at once, because you are riding on a dangerous tire.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Jim Bronson  > wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't let all the air out, just some.  It's inconvenient to roll 
>> bikes around if the tires are flat.
>>  On Aug 1, 2014 12:19 PM, "Anne Paulson" > > wrote:
>>
>>> No, no, no, and you don't need to deflate them when you put your bike in 
>>> an unpressurized airplane cargo hold either.
>>>
>>> Steve says, you don't need to do it but would it hurt? Well, yeah, it 
>>> could. Your pressurized tire nicely protects your rim. Your flat tire 
>>> doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ron Mc 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 of course Bill. 


 On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:57:22 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ron
>
> You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly.  At sea 
> level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His 
> tire 
> pressure will increase by that same 4 psi.  When you measure tire 
> pressure 
> you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and the 
> difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the vacuum of outer 
> space 
> would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute pressure inside the tire.  
>
> Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.  
> Probably less than 1psi.  
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres  
>> https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-
>> adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf
>>
>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going 
>>> from 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if 
>>> you 
>>> keep your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If 
>>> you're concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down. 
>>>   
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Dan McNamara]

I could be up for this. 

Dan

> On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:07 AM, David Stein  wrote:
> 
> Mid to late September works best for me as of now, pending a parental visit 
> that still needs to be scheduled, a possible job change, etc. I like the 
> Samuel Taylor idea. But open.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Roger  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>>> ...anyone for a mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September...
>> 
>> Sounds great to me, DS.
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[RBW] RBWHQ Spy Photos!!

[Bill Lindsay]

I went to RBW HQ this morning to pick up some Olive HA Panniers.  Grant 
posted on here that they'd give me a deal that made up for the fact that I 
overpaid a bit for my HA Rack.  He promised I'd be happy and I am.  

While I was there, I saw two (TWO!) of the Clem prototypes hanging on 
hooks.  It was fun to see them.  One looked like a size SMALL, and the 
other looked like a size LARGE.  I did not photograph them, because they 
looked to me like early prototypes.  The front end was definitely not 
final.  I have kind of a reputation with the Riv staff for taking spy 
photos, and so now I generally ask permission or wait for encouragement to 
do so.  I will confirm the curvy seatstays were the solution so that every 
size can use the Clem seat lug.  Grant handed me a long time ago a lug that 
looked like a napkin ring with RBW cast into it.  I was happy to see that 
lug as a head tube reinforcing ring on the topside of the Clem Headtube. 
 The bottom side was not reinforced, which is why I say the front end was 
not final, and is why I didn't photograph it.  It looks like a cool bike. 
 There was no fork in the prototypes.  

The thing that Dave at Riv did encourage me to photograph was a mature 
Appaloosa Prototype.  They had three sizes of the Appaloosa hanging up, all 
painted and apparently build-ready.  Vince mounted the headbadge on the 
Medium and had me take a couple photos.  The Appaloosa looks terrific.  The 
Biggun of the three Appaloosa even had FOUR (count em four!) sets of water 
bottle braze ons, and was (is) an incredible metallic barfo green.  The 
Appaloosas and the Clems both had that really slick read dropout that Grant 
showed off the other day.

Anyway, locals, if you visit, they are hanging there in the showroom. 
 Non-locals, sorry, you'll have to keep speculating, or ask if you have 
questions.  

Anyhow, here are two Appaloosa Spy shots:



Headtube and Badge, freshly installed




Slightly evolved seat tube cluster area.  Note the tentacular stays connect 
in front (tigged) with a simpler lug joint at the Seat Tube.  Framed with 
horsey poster in the background.  Note the H2O bosses on the diagatube and 
the downtube

It was definitely an entertaining visit to HQ.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Anne Paulson]

If your tire is going to explode if its pressure increases by 5 psi, you
should not deflate it when you go to altitude. Rather, you should get a new
tire at once, because you are riding on a dangerous tire.


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I wouldn't let all the air out, just some.  It's inconvenient to roll
> bikes around if the tires are flat.
> On Aug 1, 2014 12:19 PM, "Anne Paulson"  wrote:
>
>> No, no, no, and you don't need to deflate them when you put your bike in
>> an unpressurized airplane cargo hold either.
>>
>> Steve says, you don't need to do it but would it hurt? Well, yeah, it
>> could. Your pressurized tire nicely protects your rim. Your flat tire
>> doesn't.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> of course Bill.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:57:22 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Ron

 You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly.  At sea
 level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His tire
 pressure will increase by that same 4 psi.  When you measure tire pressure
 you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and the
 difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the vacuum of outer space
 would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute pressure inside the tire.

 Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.
 Probably less than 1psi.

 On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres
> https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-
> adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going
>> from 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if 
>> you
>> keep your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If
>> you're concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Metin Uz]

On Friday, August 1, 2014 5:42:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> from sea level to 7000', you'll get a 20% increase in tire pressure
>
>
>
That's true, only if you start with 0psi in your tires. The ambient 
pressure has dropped, but this does not proportionally increase the tire 
pressure, it simply adds a few psi to the pressure. It's easy to conduct a 
thought experiment to verify this. Imagine a tire taken to space (or vacuum 
environment). The pressure goes up by 14.7psi, which is the original 
ambient pressure no longer counteracting the pressure from the air in the 
tires. If the pressure were to be scaled, it would increase by an infinite 
ratio!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

[William!]

I don't know what the max is. I was running Ruffy Tuffy (~28mm) and those 
fit with some room. With the right brakes I'm going to guess at 30mm would 
fit. Happy to measure things if that is helpful...

William

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:49:22 PM UTC-7, bingomck wrote:
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> William, do you know what size tires front and rear this will fit? 
>
> Thanks! 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

[William!]

Here is the updated craigslist post with some pictures:
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4594160527.html

On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:49:09 AM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>
> I just bought a "grail" frame I've been seeking for about ten years, a 
> titanium Serotta Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary.  Cleaned out my 
> discretionary fund.  However  please do me a favor and send pix.  I 
> think I have one empty hook in the garage.
>
> ~Peter
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:38:21 PM UTC-7, William! wrote:
>
>> This went un-pending. To anyone who is interested, it is still available. 
>> Also, here are some measurements:
>>
>> Seat tube length, c-t-c: 60cm
>> Top tube length, c-t-c: 57cm
>> Head tube length, : b-t-t: 19cm
>>
>> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:06:47 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:
>>>
>>> Sale pending
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:22:25 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:

 $499 for list members, $550 for the unwashed masses. More info here:
 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4515526421.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[David Stein]

Mid to late September works best for me as of now, pending a parental visit 
that still needs to be scheduled, a possible job change, etc. I like the Samuel 
Taylor idea. But open.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
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> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Jim Bronson]

I wouldn't let all the air out, just some.  It's inconvenient to roll bikes
around if the tires are flat.
On Aug 1, 2014 12:19 PM, "Anne Paulson"  wrote:

> No, no, no, and you don't need to deflate them when you put your bike in
> an unpressurized airplane cargo hold either.
>
> Steve says, you don't need to do it but would it hurt? Well, yeah, it
> could. Your pressurized tire nicely protects your rim. Your flat tire
> doesn't.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> of course Bill.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:57:22 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly.  At sea
>>> level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His tire
>>> pressure will increase by that same 4 psi.  When you measure tire pressure
>>> you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and the
>>> difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the vacuum of outer space
>>> would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute pressure inside the tire.
>>>
>>> Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.
>>> Probably less than 1psi.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres
 https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-
 adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf

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>
> My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from
> 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep
> your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're
> concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: silver shifters question

[Tim Gavin]

I cut a spring from a cheap retractable ball-point pen in half, and used
that for the two shifters.  Works just fine.

My original springs jumped ("geronimo!") from the shifters when I opened
them up.  They were quickly assimilated by the dust bunnies in my house.


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> Turns out I'm missing the the little springs.
> Does anyone know where to find a replacement ?
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[RBW] Re: silver shifters question

[jandrews_nyc]

Thanks everyone 
Turns out I'm missing the the little springs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Anne Paulson]

No, no, no, and you don't need to deflate them when you put your bike in an
unpressurized airplane cargo hold either.

Steve says, you don't need to do it but would it hurt? Well, yeah, it
could. Your pressurized tire nicely protects your rim. Your flat tire
doesn't.


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> of course Bill.
>
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:57:22 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly.  At sea
>> level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His tire
>> pressure will increase by that same 4 psi.  When you measure tire pressure
>> you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and the
>> difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the vacuum of outer space
>> would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute pressure inside the tire.
>>
>> Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.
>> Probably less than 1psi.
>>
>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres
>>> https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-
>>> adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from
 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep
 your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're
 concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

[Anne Paulson]

I've been happy staying at Oak Street Station B&B. I've stayed there three
times now, and always felt welcomed and fed. I just happened on it the
first time; I arrived in Ashland looking for a place to stay, got a
recommendation from the lodging recommendation place, called up Oak Street
Station, and they said, "I'm just baking cookies, what kind would you
like?"

Sue and John, the proprietors, are also good about play recommendations.
When I follow their recommendations, I like the plays. The one time I saw a
play they didn't think too highly of, I didn't like it much either.

They are perfectly happy to host touring cyclists, and they give you indoor
storage for the bike.

http://oakstreetstation.com/




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wrote:

> Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area
> and stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist?
> Was reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which
> it's looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I
> haven't been to Ashland since the late 80s and it was always busy then,
> can't imagine it's any easier.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

[Shawn Granton]

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
> after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
> mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
> border and ride back...If I get off at Dunsmuir...
>

I know this is a bit of a moot point now since Kurt is going to do a car 
rental, but for anyone else thinking about using Amtrak (Coast Starlight) 
for a tour in this area: Currently all bikes must be boxed and can only 
board/unboard at a station with baggage service. Dunsmuir doesn't have 
baggage. North of Sacramento the first stop to have baggage service is 
Klamath Falls, then Eugene.
-Shawn 

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

[Shawn Granton]

On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:36:57 AM UTC-7, SpiralCage wrote:
>
> Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area 
> and stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist? 
> Was reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which 
> it's looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I 
> haven't been to Ashland since the late 80s and it was always busy then, 
> can't imagine it's any easier. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Robert 
>
> Sent from my iPad


There is the Ashland Hostel:
http://www.theashlandhostel.com/rooms-rates.html
Looks like they are currently booked through the weekend, but may have 
availability during the week. I'd give 'em a ring. (541) 482- 9217
-Shawn

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> Thanks Patrick. Great photos. Adventure!
>

Clayton 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just bought a "grail" frame I've been seeking for about ten years, a 
titanium Serotta Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary.  Cleaned out my 
discretionary fund.  However  please do me a favor and send pix.  I 
think I have one empty hook in the garage.

~Peter



On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:38:21 PM UTC-7, William! wrote:

> This went un-pending. To anyone who is interested, it is still available. 
> Also, here are some measurements:
>
> Seat tube length, c-t-c: 60cm
> Top tube length, c-t-c: 57cm
> Head tube length, : b-t-t: 19cm
>
> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:06:47 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:
>>
>> Sale pending
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:22:25 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:
>>>
>>> $499 for list members, $550 for the unwashed masses. More info here:
>>> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4515526421.html
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Marc Irwin]

This campsite is now filled.  When I left the website it looked like the 
entire north loop was open for this weekend so far.

On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>
>
> I have reserved campsite #60 on the north loop of Lebanon Hills campground 
> for 26-28.  It's non electric and another tent and vehicle is permitted if 
> somebody would like to share.  It's nearest to the showerhouse.
> Send a PM if you would like to share.
>  
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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

[justinaugust]

Squats!
Squats helped to rid me of my chronic knee pain that I blamed on:
- Low Q
- High Q
- Crank length
- Saddle setback
- Foot on pedal position

Squats stretch out that whole system. I would also advise trying the "Couch 
Stretch" from Becoming a Supple Leopard, cobra pose, child pose and many 
other olympic weightlifting type stretches.

My two cents after you get the saddle in place.

-J

On Friday, August 1, 2014 7:11:37 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I had the same thing happen to me two seasons ago and it kept me off the 
> bike for nearly 3 months in a knee brace.
>
> I was going on my first s240, maybe 160km round trip, and decided to put 
> my brooks on my cross bike, which had a zero setback post. I should note, 
> up until this date I had never had any knee pain at all, ever. Either the 
> change in saddle position front-to-back, or a slightly off saddle height 
> (or both!) caused some problems and by the next day I couldn't even put 
> weight on the dumb thing. I had x-rays and went to a physiotherapist for 
> three months before it finally cleared up. 
>
> For me, it was the fact that I don't do any exercise other than riding 
> bike. Just riding bike all day every day. Turns out that's a bad idea. Only 
> riding a bike will result in some pretty skewed muscle growth, and if you 
> don't stretch a lot, a tightened IT Band. The pain was the result of my 
> knee cap being pulled over to one side as a result of imbalanced muscle 
> development and a tight it band. A combination of selected leg stretches, 
> simple leg exercises (a few different squats, lunges, planks, a few others) 
> and some time on an IT band roller (akin to the 7th level of hell) and I've 
> never had pain again. 
>
> At times I'll sense that the pain is starting to come back, but 15 minutes 
> of stretches and a few squats and it's gone. 
>
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:35:54 PM UTC-5, grant wrote:
>>
>> Dang, I just tried to send a response with lotsa detail, and it crashed 
>> and I lost it, so here's the short versionL
>>
>> Raise you saddle to compensate for the pedal height diff. You aren't 
>> getting enough leg extension, and consequently the back of your kneecap is 
>> rubbing on the cartilage and causing inflamation which leads to more 
>> rubbing and the pain. Go up and down stairs.If it hurts, then so far this 
>> diagnosis is correct.
>>
>> It came on suddenly, and it'll go away in two days max if you let the 
>> swelling go down and don't continue the hard low-saddle pedaling.
>>
>> It's a saddle height thing, which is much better than a "what's happening 
>> to LIESL ??!!" thing.
>>
>> That's my guess. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>> I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
>>> cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.
>>>
>>> Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
>>> pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
>>> bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
>>> riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
>>> ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
>>> between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
>>> height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
>>> but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
>>> steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
>>> driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
>>> dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
>>> finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
>>> right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...
>>>
>>> here's the most previous thread I looked at
>>>
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Marc Irwin]

I have reserved campsite #60 on the north loop of Lebanon Hills campground 
for 26-28.  It's non electric and another tent and vehicle is permitted if 
somebody would like to share.  It's nearest to the showerhouse.
Send a PM if you would like to share.
 
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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Ron Mc]

of course Bill. 

On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:57:22 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ron
>
> You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly.  At sea 
> level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His tire 
> pressure will increase by that same 4 psi.  When you measure tire pressure 
> you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and the 
> difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the vacuum of outer space 
> would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute pressure inside the tire.  
>
> Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.  
> Probably less than 1psi.  
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres  
>> https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf
>>
>> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from 
>>> 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep 
>>> your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're 
>>> concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.   
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

[Robert Kirkpatrick]

Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area and 
stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist? Was 
reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which it's 
looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I haven't 
been to Ashland since the late 80s and it was always busy then, can't imagine 
it's any easier.

Thanks,
Robert

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Steve Palincsar]

In summary: do you /need/ to do this?  No.  Would it hurt?  No.  That's 
probably the same answer for tubulars; but traditionalists would always 
bleed the air out of their tubulars after a ride anyway, although I 
don't know why. (I know this still goes on, saw it after a ride last 
week.)  I'm not even sure it matters: there's so much ritual magic 
associated with tubulars and their use that defies logical explanation, 
kind of like thuribles.  Explaining it away wouldn't enhance the experience.


On 08/01/2014 10:57 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Ron

You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly. At sea 
level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His 
tire pressure will increase by that same 4 psi. When you measure tire 
pressure you measure the difference between the pressure inside the 
tire and the difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the 
vacuum of outer space would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute 
pressure inside the tire.


Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.  
Probably less than 1psi.


On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres
https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf


On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it
going from 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on
Ron's numbers, if you keep your's at 60psi usually you'd endue
at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're concerned about it, you've
naught to lose by dropping them down.



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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

[Kurt Manley]

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! I was feeling a little frustrated with my 
planning when I originally posted but after getting all this great advice I 
came up with a route last night that I am super exited about and feel is 
just right distance wise for me to do in a week.

The plan now is to do a one way car rental to Eureka or Crescent city then 
ride the coast back and hit a little of the lost coast on the way. I had 
not thought of a one way rental but it solves all my logistic problems I 
was running into. Doesn't look to bad price-wise either. 

Sorry for my replies being slow, they still have to be approved before 
showing up.

I'm off for a ride now, happy friday everyone!

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
> after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
> mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
> border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
> hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
> runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
> climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
> towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
> just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
> way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
> area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
> and explore and would love to fish along the way. 
>
> I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
> (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
> toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
> north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
> with that much train travel.
>
> If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
> won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
> you.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kurt
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Tom Reingold]

Tires are built to withstand twice the rated maximum pressure. You won't 
get anywhere near that from a 7,000-ft ascent.


On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:30:27 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft 
> altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level.  
>
> I remember seeing yogurt containers in Santa Fe that were actually bulging 
> and it got me thinking that the same thing could happen with bike tires if 
> you departed lower elevation with near max pressure.  So i was thinking of 
> airing my LoupLoups down to 40psi or so for the trip.
>
> Or is it unnecessary?
>

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Re: [RBW] 3D lugs?

[Mathew Greiner]

I think Riv should build up a super straightforward Cheviot (or Clem 
Smith,Jr.?) to enter next year. They'd have the best music of the informational 
videos.

The Portland design, if I remember correctly is entirely 3D printed from 
titanium.

This is a pretty neat challenge, and I'm glad for the extra visibility it gives 
to bike commuting. Still, the entries in this rarely address the simple issues 
that are important to commuting with pleasure: comfort, drivetrain and brakes 
that are low maintenance and geared well for your terrain, durable tires…

Instead they add spring loaded collapsible racks (why, exactly?) and elaborate 
electrical gee-gaws. It's gee whiz marketing, but it doesn't automatically make 
for a good bike, and most all of the designs are set with proprietary racks and 
accessories. Adherence to standards may limit the design process, but it also 
comes with a boatload of flexibility.

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

[Paul Y]

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing pictures. Live it up!

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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Bill Lindsay]

Ron

You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly.  At sea level 
atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi.  His tire 
pressure will increase by that same 4 psi.  When you measure tire pressure 
you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and the 
difference outside the tire.  A 40 psi taken into the vacuum of outer space 
would then measure 55psi.  55psi absolute pressure inside the tire.  

Your potato chips bag bulges but it's still a really low pressure.  
Probably less than 1psi.  

On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:06 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres  
> https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf
>
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from 8k 
>> where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep 
>> your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're 
>> concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.   
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

[Kevin M]

Hi Liesl,

It's not just a saddle height thing, it's also a saddle setback thing.

If I recall correctly, you're riding a Riv with some major setback from a 
really slack seat tube. Is that right? A common metric for measuring 
correct saddle position puts the front of the knee directly above the pedal 
spindle while the spindle is horizontal. I would suggest you make sure 
you're coming close to conforming to this standard. 

If you're having major pain, you need to go see a pro. Ask around locally 
and find a well trusted bike fitter who works with all types of cyclists, 
not just racers. This stuff is hard to diagnose online or by yourself. I 
got a pro fit a few years back when I was riding my Bruce Gordon Rock 'n 
Road. We changed the crank length, saddle height, and saddle setback. I was 
surprised by how far "off" I was using the best advice I had gathered from 
the internet. A couple millimeters can make a huge difference!

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[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

[Roger]

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:
>
> ...anyone for a mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September...
>

Sounds great to me, DS.
Let's make some plans. 

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[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

[Liesl]

I am laughing because I played viola in my youth; no slight intended, I assure 
you! so perhaps 

Pasela 32's = violins 
Soma Xpress  38's=violas
Hetres 42's = cellos
Big bens 55=basses

This might support my totally unfounded theory about the tone. Spoke length or 
rim circumference would be pitch

Thanks all for playing this silly game.

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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

[Mark Reimer]

I had the same thing happen to me two seasons ago and it kept me off the 
bike for nearly 3 months in a knee brace.

I was going on my first s240, maybe 160km round trip, and decided to put my 
brooks on my cross bike, which had a zero setback post. I should note, up 
until this date I had never had any knee pain at all, ever. Either the 
change in saddle position front-to-back, or a slightly off saddle height 
(or both!) caused some problems and by the next day I couldn't even put 
weight on the dumb thing. I had x-rays and went to a physiotherapist for 
three months before it finally cleared up. 

For me, it was the fact that I don't do any exercise other than riding 
bike. Just riding bike all day every day. Turns out that's a bad idea. Only 
riding a bike will result in some pretty skewed muscle growth, and if you 
don't stretch a lot, a tightened IT Band. The pain was the result of my 
knee cap being pulled over to one side as a result of imbalanced muscle 
development and a tight it band. A combination of selected leg stretches, 
simple leg exercises (a few different squats, lunges, planks, a few others) 
and some time on an IT band roller (akin to the 7th level of hell) and I've 
never had pain again. 

At times I'll sense that the pain is starting to come back, but 15 minutes 
of stretches and a few squats and it's gone. 

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:35:54 PM UTC-5, grant wrote:
>
> Dang, I just tried to send a response with lotsa detail, and it crashed 
> and I lost it, so here's the short versionL
>
> Raise you saddle to compensate for the pedal height diff. You aren't 
> getting enough leg extension, and consequently the back of your kneecap is 
> rubbing on the cartilage and causing inflamation which leads to more 
> rubbing and the pain. Go up and down stairs.If it hurts, then so far this 
> diagnosis is correct.
>
> It came on suddenly, and it'll go away in two days max if you let the 
> swelling go down and don't continue the hard low-saddle pedaling.
>
> It's a saddle height thing, which is much better than a "what's happening 
> to LIESL ??!!" thing.
>
> That's my guess. 
>
> On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
>> cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.
>>
>> Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
>> pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
>> bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
>> riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
>> ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
>> between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
>> height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
>> but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
>> steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
>> driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
>> dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
>> finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
>> right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.
>>
>> Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...
>>
>> here's the most previous thread I looked at
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

[Anton Tutter]

The idea is that you want the spokes to be in the "sweet spot" between 
always being tensioned yet never reaching the limit of their elastic 
modulus. Too much tension will stress the eyelets and hub flanges, and you 
also approach the limit of the spoke elastic modulus;  Too little tension 
and the spokes will not maintain enough tension as the wheel deflects. 

Anton


On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:01:49 PM UTC-4, M D Smith wrote:
>
> I've always understood that the higher the tension, the stronger the wheel.
>
> I haven't re-read the Brandt book for a number of years, but isn't his 
> technique effectively "get the spokes so tight that the wheel starts to 
> taco, then back off a bit?"
>
> Mike in Htfd CT
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

[Addison Wilhite]

The trip detailed in that link (Portland to close to Reno) was 10 days
including a 1.5 rest stop in Ashland to see Hamlet and drink beer.  I wish
I knew exactly the route we took from Portland to hit the ACA route.  It
was lightly used highways that were spectacular.  We camped the first night
next to a stream with amazing canopy.


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

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*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 

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On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Kurt Manley  wrote:

> Addison, how long di what you did take you?
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week
>> after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in
>> mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon
>> border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was
>> hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train
>> runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft
>> climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get
>> towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've
>> just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better
>> way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay
>> area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop
>> and explore and would love to fish along the way.
>>
>> I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there
>> (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have
>> toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further
>> north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time
>> with that much train travel.
>>
>> If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus
>> that won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear
>> from you.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Kurt
>>
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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Ron Mc]

here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres 
 https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf

On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from 8k 
> where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep 
> your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're 
> concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.   
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Garth]

Not necessary :)  

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=167

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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Deacon Patrick]

My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from 8k 
where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep 
your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're 
concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down.   

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

[Deacon Patrick]

DS: Ha! This trail is under biking for any bike, so sure. Next time you 
join me on it, bring your Quickbeam. Grin.

Doug: Thanks! When we live it right, life is an wonderful adventure of 
friendship, love, and contemplation, no matter where we are or what we are 
doing!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Ron Mc]

from sea level to 7000', you'll get a 20% increase in tire pressure

On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:30:27 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft 
> altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level.  
>
> I remember seeing yogurt containers in Santa Fe that were actually bulging 
> and it got me thinking that the same thing could happen with bike tires if 
> you departed lower elevation with near max pressure.  So i was thinking of 
> airing my LoupLoups down to 40psi or so for the trip.
>
> Or is it unnecessary?
>

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[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

[Ron Mc]

On Friday, August 1, 2014 4:02:25 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>> tires might function to increase amplitude at certain frequencies like 
>> the body of a violin (32 pasela) compared to a cello (55 big ben).
>>
>>
> I have no idea why pitch is so different, but as an amateur (lousy) viola 
> player, I have this to say:
> O please please please don't ignore viola!!
>
> 38mm 

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[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

[Takashi]

> tires might function to increase amplitude at certain frequencies like the 
> body of a violin (32 pasela) compared to a cello (55 big ben).
>
>
I have no idea why pitch is so different, but as an amateur (lousy) viola 
player, I have this to say:
O please please please don't ignore viola!!

By the way, your question reminded me of one scene in "*Les Triplettes de 
Belleville"*, where Grandma trues a bicycle wheel by listening to sound of 
tuning fork and sounds she makes by hitting spokes with a pair of pliers.


Takashi

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[RBW] Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

[Jim Bronson]

The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft
altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level.

I remember seeing yogurt containers in Santa Fe that were actually bulging
and it got me thinking that the same thing could happen with bike tires if
you departed lower elevation with near max pressure.  So i was thinking of
airing my LoupLoups down to 40psi or so for the trip.

Or is it unnecessary?

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