[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Paul Brodek]

I haven't used any of the ones you linked to. I tried a pair of these Tubro 
(correct spelling!) platforms as a cheaper alternative, they grip fine:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tubro-downhill-platform-CNC-Pedal-set-removable-pins-sealed-breaing-/261041670722

My first platforms were MG1s, they're grippy enough for me, not too heavy, 
and relatively cheap. They are thick, though, so I've bashed 'em cornering 
a coupla times. I prefer thinner pedals these days. The Wellgo B132 are OK, 
thinner than the MG1 and not too spendy. Both the VP001 and Vice work well 
for me, though I find the 001 a little less grippy. The fyxation Mesa MP 
were faves for a while, wide/thin platform, more foot support than the 
Wellgos. The MP part is important, this is the version with Metal Pins. You 
have to get over the platforms being plastic; fyxation does have an 
aluminum version now, but it's more expensive. My current best-ever faves 
are the VP Harrier---thin and light with a platform so big even Bozo's 
shoes would fit comfy. They are expensive, so as much as I heart them I 
won't be outfitting the fleet with them. I have a pair of Spank Spike 
platforms on deck, very thin like the Harrier with a biggish platform. 
Probably the most expensive pedal I've bought, so likely a one-off. I also 
just got a pair of Xpedo Spry platforms, haven't had a chance to ride them 
yet. The Sprys are the lightest pinned platforms I've seen, only 260g, so 
I'll try them on a weight weenie bike. Fairly thin, fairly wide.

I tend to be pretty narrow-minded with most of component choices, but 
somehow eclecticism flowers when it comes to metal-pinned platform pedals. 
Though I only ride metal-pinned platform pedals, so I guess that initial 
narrow-mindness then broadens...

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA 

On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:36:09 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with pedals that are similar to the 
> VP-001Thin Gripsters or VO Sabots?
> I have silver VPs on my Redwood and love them. While I'd like to get the 
> same for the rest of my bikes, the price does add up and silver doesn't 
> appear to be an option anymore.
> Specifically I saw these on eBay:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151016287549?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WELLGO-KC008-Bike-Flat-Pedals-Sealed-Bearing-MTB-Aluminum-Platform-Pedals-9-16-/261568167720?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3ce6ad7f28
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Brand-4-Colors-Wellgo-KC007-Platform-MBT-BMX-Bike-Bicycle-Pedal-Pedals-9-16-/251471707962?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3a8ce1bf3a
>
> Either way, I'll be ordering another set of dark gray VPs from Riv 
> shortly, but I have more space now which means all my project bikes can be 
> built up fully.
>
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Brian Campbell]

I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I put 
the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working 
fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I 
have don e the install correctly? Thoughts?
 

On Monday, September 29, 2014 11:36:45 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

> Tim, check my Acorn leather washers here - this doesn't come loose even 
> after 1000 miles.  
>
>
> 
>   
>
> The leather compresses into the threads and reinforces the lock washer
>
>
> 
>
> I did lose an M-5 and lock washer on my first ride.  Never again.  Easy fix
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:20:42 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone! I'm thinking that the large Berthoud with the H-121 
>> decaleur is going to be the way I go. It sounds like, based on your 
>> responses, it's a pretty safe bet that it will work. I guess I caaould 
>> always swap out for the H-91. There's only one question left: I've been 
>> told the Berthoud decaleurs (as opposed to the Grand Bois) tend to come 
>> loose. Is this your experience? It's cooling off here in the Northeast so 
>> it's time to start carrying extra duds here soon so I should pull the 
>> trigger here pretty quick. Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Kieran J]

My bad. I had them confused with the cheapo LU313, which I have.
They look kind of similar. Sort of.

KJ


On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:25:19 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I have a pair of MG-1s, with skateboard grip tape. They're plenty grippy, 
> and mine don't weigh a ton. Teh internets say they weigh 1.2 oz more than 
> thin gripsters for the pair. They're a good option. Plus, mine are red. 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014 4:46:16 PM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> I was using the Wellgo MG-1 pedals, but I found them quite un-grippy and 
>> they weight a ton. The GF took them on her city bike, she says they're fine.
>> The VP-001/Gripsters are on a totally different plain IMO.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:47:06 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Thinking about a platform pedal.
>>>
>>> I like sliding my feet around on the pedals without having to lift them 
>>> up off the pedal to reposition.
>>>
>>> I don't like shoes getting "locked" into a position because the pedal 
>>> surface mates with grooves in the shoe sole, forcing you to lift the foot 
>>> off the pedal to adjust your foot position into your pedaling sweet spot.
>>>
>>> Does this mating happen with the gripsters and grip kings? Are the 
>>> spikes removable if desired? Or is it easy to shift the foot around without 
>>> having to lift off pedal to adjust?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[cyclotourist]

Best. Review. Ever.

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal




On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Paul Brodek  wrote:

> I haven't used any of the ones you linked to. I tried a pair of these
> Tubro (correct spelling!) platforms as a cheaper alternative, they grip
> fine:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tubro-downhill-platform-CNC-Pedal-set-removable-pins-sealed-breaing-/261041670722
>
> My first platforms were MG1s, they're grippy enough for me, not too heavy,
> and relatively cheap. They are thick, though, so I've bashed 'em cornering
> a coupla times. I prefer thinner pedals these days. The Wellgo B132 are OK,
> thinner than the MG1 and not too spendy. Both the VP001 and Vice work well
> for me, though I find the 001 a little less grippy. The fyxation Mesa MP
> were faves for a while, wide/thin platform, more foot support than the
> Wellgos. The MP part is important, this is the version with Metal Pins. You
> have to get over the platforms being plastic; fyxation does have an
> aluminum version now, but it's more expensive. My current best-ever faves
> are the VP Harrier---thin and light with a platform so big even Bozo's
> shoes would fit comfy. They are expensive, so as much as I heart them I
> won't be outfitting the fleet with them. I have a pair of Spank Spike
> platforms on deck, very thin like the Harrier with a biggish platform.
> Probably the most expensive pedal I've bought, so likely a one-off. I also
> just got a pair of Xpedo Spry platforms, haven't had a chance to ride them
> yet. The Sprys are the lightest pinned platforms I've seen, only 260g, so
> I'll try them on a weight weenie bike. Fairly thin, fairly wide.
>
> I tend to be pretty narrow-minded with most of component choices, but
> somehow eclecticism flowers when it comes to metal-pinned platform pedals.
> Though I only ride metal-pinned platform pedals, so I guess that initial
> narrow-mindness then broadens...
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:36:09 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with pedals that are similar to the
>> VP-001Thin Gripsters or VO Sabots?
>> I have silver VPs on my Redwood and love them. While I'd like to get the
>> same for the rest of my bikes, the price does add up and silver doesn't
>> appear to be an option anymore.
>> Specifically I saw these on eBay:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151016287549?ssPageName=STRK:
>> MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WELLGO-KC008-Bike-Flat-Pedals-
>> Sealed-Bearing-MTB-Aluminum-Platform-Pedals-9-16-/
>> 261568167720?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3ce6ad7f28
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Brand-4-Colors-Wellgo-KC007-
>> Platform-MBT-BMX-Bike-Bicycle-Pedal-Pedals-9-16-/
>> 251471707962?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3a8ce1bf3a
>>
>> Either way, I'll be ordering another set of dark gray VPs from Riv
>> shortly, but I have more space now which means all my project bikes can be
>> built up fully.
>>
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
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[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Ron Mc]

I even slide a pair of o-rings over my slick valve stems to save them from 
shock and even act a bit as dust covers  




On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through 
> steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration.  
> You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at the 
> top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell).  
> If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring 
> I place on the rod between the clevis tubes.  
> I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out 
> noisy spots.  
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I 
>> put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working 
>> fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I 
>> have don e the install correctly? Thoughts?
>>  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Ron Mc]

Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through steel 
tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration.  
You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at the 
top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell).  
If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring I 
place on the rod between the clevis tubes.  
I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out 
noisy spots.  




On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I 
> put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working 
> fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I 
> have don e the install correctly? Thoughts?
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[Metin Uz]

As this is a loop, a better way to visualize it is to look at 14,000 ft 
gain over half the distance. Then the course looks like a series of 3% 
ramps up and then down. In reality, there are extended 10%+ sections and 
flats, of course. BTW, I was driving SAG in the event, and did see another 
fendered bike, two fixed gears, and at least 5 tandems.

--Metin

On Monday, September 29, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Remember, you have to keep the altitude number in perspective based on 
> distance. Three miles vertical climbing in 200 miles is pretty spread out. 
> Math isn't my strong suite, so correct me if I'm wrong, but that averages 
> to 1.5% grade (which of course is not at all the way it happens on the 
> road, thank heaven!). 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:56 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> 14,000 feet of climbing?!?! Wow.
>> How much riding mileage do you do per week to keep in shape for these 
>> rides? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm not sure I get what you are saying, Metin. It still takes 200 miles to 
climb 3 miles, not 100 miles. So even though it is a loop and you end at 
the same elevation you began, that has no bearing on climbing. And of 
course that doesn't take into account descents. Or am I missing something? 
Regardless, 200+ miles in a single ride is never an easy thing to 
accomplish and the climbs add to the fun! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Adventures

[Eric Norris]

I always ride with a mirror and keep an eye on the cars coming up behind me. In 
my experience, country roads in the foothills are no worse to ride on than 
anywhere else. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
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On Sep 27, 2014, at 8:36 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> Looking through your pictures I see you may have ridden Hwy 49 between 
> Placerville (Hangtown) and Cool.  If so, I'd imagine that to be an adventure 
> requiring nerves of steel.  Occasionally I'll go on group rides with the 
> Placerville Bike Shop just to get some experience on these roads, but for the 
> most part they scare me and I avoid them.  Any comments or helpful tips?  
> 
> Matt
> 
> On Friday, September 26, 2014 4:34:35 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
> From today's ride: 
> 
> Coffee ride to Weatherstone in Sacramento. by Campy Only on Flickr.
> 
> Just follow this link to see and comment on this photo:
> http://flic.kr/p/ppEJoz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
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Re: [RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[Eric Norris]

Most of the route on Saturday was un-flat, mostly either gently uphill or 
downhill. The steepest, longest climbs come in the middle of the ride--there 
are stretches heading to the top of Cobb Mountain that exceed 15% and stay at 
10% for a long way. And yes, 14,000 feet of climbing means 14,000 feet of 
descending on a looped course.

--Eric Norris
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On Sep 30, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I'm not sure I get what you are saying, Metin. It still takes 200 miles to 
> climb 3 miles, not 100 miles. So even though it is a loop and you end at the 
> same elevation you began, that has no bearing on climbing. And of course that 
> doesn't take into account descents. Or am I missing something? Regardless, 
> 200+ miles in a single ride is never an easy thing to accomplish and the 
> climbs add to the fun! Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

We broke the MCBR weekend into 4 parts. Friday night we rode to a Saint Paul 
establishment for dinner and drinks. I think there were around 15 of us at the 
start. There were at least two Rivs in attendance: Marc's gorgeous Hunq and 
Tim's first-year Riv Road. Lillian was riding a San Marcos. Hope I'm not 
forgetting anyone. The rest of the group was riding various other brands of 
"Country Bike".

Saturday morning, we tested several fat bike models on some dirt trails in Fort 
Snelling state park. Some park employees and other passersby  came over to try 
the bikes. The new Surly Ice Cream Truck seemed to be a hit. Highlight for me: 
My wife's non-cycling 61yo aunt rode the XS ICT over some challenging off-trail 
terrain and smiled the whole time.

Saturday afternoon, the group rode a section of the Minnesota River Bottoms. 
This is basically a mostly flat, non-technical dirt trail along the Minnesota 
River. The trail is unofficial and mostly maintained by volunteers. 
Unfortunately, the state park people recently "cleared" the portion of the 
trail that runs through the park. Their hearts were in the right place, but it 
looks like they used a bulldozer, and just pushed sand and trees around, 
leaving the trail worse for the wear in places. Most of us were on fat bikes or 
mountain bikes, but Sean showed up with a Hilsen and JB tires, which handled 
the dirt with ease, and made the rest of us feel kinda silly. 

Sunday was the pavement ride. We started from HC, and followed the Minnehaha 
Creek bike trail to the Minneapolis chain of lakes. One of the ride 
participants lost her wallet and phone the night before at an ice cream shop in 
Uptown, so we stopped there to ask if they'd found it. Luckily, they had, and 
everything seemed to be in order. We had a small conference on where to go 
next, and decided to head to a nearby coffee shop that features a gay 
leather/bondage theme. I restocked my supply of leather-scented body wash. So 
that was fun. From there, we hit the Bryant Ave bikeway, Loring Park, Downtown 
Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall, Hennepin Ave bridge, Saint Anthony Main, Stone Arch 
Bridge, University of Minnesota, the new Dinkytown greenway, U of MN 
transitway, Como Park, Frogtown, downtown Saint Paul, then across the river to 
climb the infamous Ohio St hill, Cherokee Park, followed by a thrilling descent 
on Hwy 13 into Mendota. I said my goodbyes and headed home from there, happy to 
have shown the riders such a broad cross-section of the Twin Cities amazing 
cycling opportunities.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Tom Goodmann]

Sounds like a wonderful weekend, describing a potential future for so many
communities to begin planning and building as MSP has already done, and
continues to do.  Miami has less infrastructure, and not nearly such a
well-developed bicycling culture, but we're getting there via efforts such
as Critical Mass rides, places such as Magic City Bicycle Collective, and
groups such as Emerge Miami.  Also, we get somewhat less snow than the Twin
Cities. :)  --a fact that makes such a commitment from the MSP community
all the more impressive.  Wish I could have made it there!  --Tom  Miami, FL

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> We broke the MCBR weekend into 4 parts. Friday night we rode to a Saint
> Paul establishment for dinner and drinks. I think there were around 15 of
> us at the start. There were at least two Rivs in attendance: Marc's
> gorgeous Hunq and Tim's first-year Riv Road. Lillian was riding a San
> Marcos. Hope I'm not forgetting anyone. The rest of the group was riding
> various other brands of "Country Bike".
>
> Saturday morning, we tested several fat bike models on some dirt trails in
> Fort Snelling state park. Some park employees and other passersby  came
> over to try the bikes. The new Surly Ice Cream Truck seemed to be a hit.
> Highlight for me: My wife's non-cycling 61yo aunt rode the XS ICT over some
> challenging off-trail terrain and smiled the whole time.
>
> Saturday afternoon, the group rode a section of the Minnesota River
> Bottoms. This is basically a mostly flat, non-technical dirt trail along
> the Minnesota River. The trail is unofficial and mostly maintained by
> volunteers. Unfortunately, the state park people recently "cleared" the
> portion of the trail that runs through the park. Their hearts were in the
> right place, but it looks like they used a bulldozer, and just pushed sand
> and trees around, leaving the trail worse for the wear in places. Most of
> us were on fat bikes or mountain bikes, but Sean showed up with a Hilsen
> and JB tires, which handled the dirt with ease, and made the rest of us
> feel kinda silly.
>
> Sunday was the pavement ride. We started from HC, and followed the
> Minnehaha Creek bike trail to the Minneapolis chain of lakes. One of the
> ride participants lost her wallet and phone the night before at an ice
> cream shop in Uptown, so we stopped there to ask if they'd found it.
> Luckily, they had, and everything seemed to be in order. We had a small
> conference on where to go next, and decided to head to a nearby coffee shop
> that features a gay leather/bondage theme. I restocked my supply of
> leather-scented body wash. So that was fun. From there, we hit the Bryant
> Ave bikeway, Loring Park, Downtown Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall, Hennepin Ave
> bridge, Saint Anthony Main, Stone Arch Bridge, University of Minnesota, the
> new Dinkytown greenway, U of MN transitway, Como Park, Frogtown, downtown
> Saint Paul, then across the river to climb the infamous Ohio St hill,
> Cherokee Park, followed by a thrilling descent on Hwy 13 into Mendota. I
> said my goodbyes and headed home from there, happy to have shown the riders
> such a broad cross-section of the Twin Cities amazing cycling opportunities.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Jim Bronson]

what kind of rim is that, Ron?

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I even slide a pair of o-rings over my slick valve stems to save them from
> shock and even act a bit as dust covers
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through
>> steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration.
>> You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at
>> the top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell).
>>
>> If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green o-ring
>> I place on the rod between the clevis tubes.
>> I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen out
>> noisy spots.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I
>>> put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working
>>> fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I
>>> have don e the install correctly? Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Ron Mc]

Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great for 
me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on the 
spokes.  

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> what kind of rim is that, Ron?
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
>> I even slide a pair of o-rings over my slick valve stems to save them 
>> from shock and even act a bit as dust covers  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian, I think most decaleur designs, with steel rods sliding through 
>>> steel tubes, have a tendency to rattle with road shock and vibration.  
>>> You may try sliding o-rings up the rods to dampen the contact point at 
>>> the top end of the tubes (like when you put your finger on a ringing bell). 
>>>  
>>> If you look at my Bertaud decaleur photo, you can make out a green 
>>> o-ring I place on the rod between the clevis tubes.  
>>> I like using o-rings, grommets, leather washers, vinyl tape to dampen 
>>> out noisy spots.  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:58:23 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I just put a large Acorn Rando bag and VO Decaleur on my 61cm Hilsen. I 
 put the second strut on the Mark's rack and so, far it seems to be working 
 fine. I noticed that it can rattle a bit and that has me wondering if I 
 have don e the install correctly? Thoughts?
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Tim Gavin]

I also use the off-center Synergy rear wheel.  On a 130 mm Phil FW hub, it
results in only 1 mm of dish.  I didn't even need a dish gauge when I built
it.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great for
> me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on the
> spokes.
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> what kind of rim is that, Ron?
>>
>
Where do you get all the O-rings from, Ron?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

Dunno about the green ones, but I get my black (and sometimes red) O-rings 
at the local hardware...

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:11:56 PM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I also use the off-center Synergy rear wheel.  On a 130 mm Phil FW hub, it 
> results in only 1 mm of dish.  I didn't even need a dish gauge when I built 
> it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron Mc 
> > wrote:
>
>> Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great 
>> for me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on 
>> the spokes.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> what kind of rim is that, Ron?
>>>
>>
> Where do you get all the O-rings from, Ron? 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud bag/Marks rack mounting question

[Ron Mc]

McMaster Carr - I have a couple of orders/year from them - I have a hobby 
business repairing antique fly reels.  I always try to think about throwing 
in small tools and sundries with my order.  I use the weathering o-rings 
for a few applications on bike and kayak rigging.  

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:11:56 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I also use the off-center Synergy rear wheel.  On a 130 mm Phil FW hub, it 
> results in only 1 mm of dish.  I didn't even need a dish gauge when I built 
> it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Ron Mc 
> > wrote:
>
>> Synergy - the asymmetric rim on a Phil 126mm freewheel hub works great 
>> for me - lets me fit in a 7-speed freewheel and still have a nice spread on 
>> the spokes.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:05:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> what kind of rim is that, Ron?
>>>
>>
> Where do you get all the O-rings from, Ron? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[lungimsam]

 So do they measure the footage of climbing going only one way on the loop 
(direction the ride will take), or does it include all uphills from both 
directions? I know this may be a dumb question, but I get confused by terms 
like "climbing", "gain", and "elevation".

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[RBW] My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[lungimsam]

Today I went to check out a new run of MUP they are doing on my wife's 
route to work. We ride together, and it is fun.
Anyway, I went down to the new bridge and MUP sections they are soon to 
complete (hopefully). One section was still all gravel, and since I didn't 
go down it before, I was curious to see how and where it will connect to 
the existing MUP.

I took off down it and, wow, I don't know how you gravelly riders stay on 
your bike on that stuff. Loose egg/palm sized gravel rocks were kicking my 
back wheel sideways at times, and having me bouncing all over - wide 
tires or no.

Maybe you guys who gravel grind do it on hard packed flattish stuff. But 
the loose stuff/large rocks had me wondering how you guys get anywhere on 
the stuff. I'll be the first to admit I have zero experience with 
offroad/gravel riding. I was trying to pick lines on some almost packed 
looking areas, but it was really tough to stay on the bike and go more than 
2 miles an hour or so. This is a new project they are doing an maybe the 
gravel just hasn't been own long enough to get packed enough to ride on it.

Got any tips?

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Re: [RBW] My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Tim Gavin]

Most of my gravel riding is on gravel roads.  They've been graded and
packed by cars, so they have a pretty flat and hard bed.  Still, my bikes
handle best when I pay attention and scout the hardest, smoothest line.  I
can go about the same speed on good gravel as I can on the road.  Fresh,
unpacked gravel makes it pretty hard to keep your speed and balance, like
riding in very-large-grain sand.

I've found that wide tires with light tread (like any Schwalbe ballooner,
or my favorite in 26", the ITS/Vee MK tires) give the best speed on gravel
because they float.  Still, any rock approaching egg-size will throw you
off your line.

Sounds like they still have a lot of work to do on that section of the
trail.  The trails in my area get like that when they're doing repairs.
I'd recommend riding on packed roads.  Or, get a fat bike, they roll over
anything.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

> Today I went to check out a new run of MUP they are doing on my wife's
> route to work. We ride together, and it is fun.
> Anyway, I went down to the new bridge and MUP sections they are soon to
> complete (hopefully). One section was still all gravel, and since I didn't
> go down it before, I was curious to see how and where it will connect to
> the existing MUP.
>
> I took off down it and, wow, I don't know how you gravelly riders stay on
> your bike on that stuff. Loose egg/palm sized gravel rocks were kicking my
> back wheel sideways at times, and having me bouncing all over - wide
> tires or no.
>
> Maybe you guys who gravel grind do it on hard packed flattish stuff. But
> the loose stuff/large rocks had me wondering how you guys get anywhere on
> the stuff. I'll be the first to admit I have zero experience with
> offroad/gravel riding. I was trying to pick lines on some almost packed
> looking areas, but it was really tough to stay on the bike and go more than
> 2 miles an hour or so. This is a new project they are doing an maybe the
> gravel just hasn't been own long enough to get packed enough to ride on it.
>
> Got any tips?
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[RBW] Re: Multiple thanks to the folks at Rivendell

[Don Compton]

The Riv folks get it. Customer service is everything.
Don

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:01:49 AM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> A couple of weeks ago, put in two orders.  Both arrived extremely well 
> packed.  Now, Jenny is always great about making the best use of space, but 
> this time outdid herself.  Best example, putting a couple pair of brake 
> pads inside the bandana and then securing with an Irish strap.  Beautiful 
> use of space.
>
> Then on Friday have a big smack myself in the forehead moment - I forgot 
> to ask for the Sam Hillborne catalog.  E-mailed Miesha and asked her about 
> the catalog and let her know I'd put together another order just to get the 
> catalog.  No worries is her reply.  Yesterday a catalog shows up in my 
> mailbox.  Joy!
>
> So thanks everyone at Rivendell, but especially Jenny and Miesha for 
> making me feel very valued as a customer.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
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[RBW] Re: Fred Matheny roadbikerider.com Compass tire review...on a Roadeo!

[Don Compton]

Unfortunately, I have a year or two before I wear out my Grand Bois Cerf's. 
I tried the old 700x30 Grand Bois tires and didn't like them. However, I 
really like these new Compass tires (700x32). They really instill 
confidence in cornering and the ride is sublime.

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:16:10 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
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> ...just click the link and scroll down a scoche/smidge:
>  
> http://www.roadbikerider.com/top
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT Fall Cleaning Sale: Sugino/Philwood/tons of stuff.

[Boson Au-Perkins]

Reposting with updated list.


album at
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/105181847263320013396/albums/6063161590667478849

Soma Condorina Bar: $35
http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/condorina-bar
barely used... mounted and used for one test ride and decided to go back to
a simple riser bar.

 Shimano DH 2n30 36H dynohub. $30
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/DH/EV-DH-2N30-E-2364C_v1_m56577569830677486.pdf
6V 2.4W  I never got around to building this one up, and ended up going
with a shutter precision.

[SOLD] Phil Wood rear 36H freewheel hub (120mm)   - $40
it fits a 5 speed freewheel... this is used but like all PW stuff it spins
amazingly.

brand new 9 Speed Microshift bar ends $50
(indexed rear, friction front): shimano compatible, rear is indexed only,

Oury Grips (white) $10 each.
white's been used but can be cleaned.

165mm SR aerox crank $40
144BCD.  52/42T  used but teeth in good shape.  bought off ebay but never
mounted.

Campangolo Daytona 170mm crankset (55/48t) $ 30
used this on a bike friday.  Rings are TA

Shimano Friction Thumbshifters $25
simple.  good stuff. works well.

Koolstop Eagle Pads for threaded Canti Posts $???
I dunno, a couple bucks along w/ another order I'll toss them in.

Shimano 105 Octilink cranks (170mm) $ 40
these take 130BCDs

Tektro RL340 brake levers $20
http://www.tektro.com/_english/01_products/01_prodetail.php?pid=67&sortname=Lever&sort=1&fid=3
in good condition!

[SOLD] Diacompe 287v  drop bar levers for V-brakes $25
http://www.diacompe.com.tw/product_View.asp?nid=791

SRAM Powerglide 50T chainring 110BCD $10
in great condition

Sugino 165mm road triple (52/42/30) 130/74BCD $50
the crank I think is a RD2 with a triple... not exactly sure.


as for what I am looking for:
I'd love a 110/74 bcd crankset in 170mm arms.  silver, with or without
chainrings.  My wife's bike is currently running a 110bcd 52/42 crank and
She only ever needs the 42T ring but would like a smaller ring for hills.
I want to drop it down to a smaller front ring setup (with a chainguard)
and 110/74 is just so darn useful.


email me private off list at this address. (boson...@gmail.com) for ?s

thanks!

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[RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[jar351]

I was pretty psyched when I bought a used Saddlesack bag from a fellow 
poster here last weekend. My partner was not. She thinks I spend too much 
of my very little money on bike stuff--for the record, she's right--and 
besides that, we live in Oakland. So perhaps understandably she responded 
to my boyish excitement with a look that said, "you *know* that's way too 
f-ing fancy and it's *going* to get stolen." I retorted that I planned to 
attach it to my bike with a piece of bike chain and a crap load of zip 
ties, but still she was unfazed. Those things would not stop a thief. As 
much as I hated to admit it she was right. That's when I decided to the 
opposite tack: make the bag super *easy* to detach and carry. I know that 
Riv sells a Nitto-made doohickey for just such a purpose, but come on, 
$100? That's almost as much as I paid for the friggin bag.

Anyhow, that's how I ended up making this thing:


For the record, yes, I blatantly copied the Nitto design as much as 
possible, and took some cues from another DIYer who had made the same kind 
of thing and posted it on Flickr. I couldn't figure out the attachment 
mechanism of the Nitto mount from the photos on the Riv site, so I just 
made a back plate and sandwiched the saddle rails between it and the main 
plate that you see in the photo. Seems to work well enough so far.

The body of the mount I made from aluminum flat bar, so I'm sure it's not 
as durable as the Nitto one, which I assume is steel, but how strong does 
this thing need to be? The tube that the QR skewer goes through is just 
1/2-inch PVC but I decided to wrap it in bar tape to avoid the toilet paper 
dispenser look. 

I made this in a few hours with no power tools except an ancient 
Black&Decker drill and if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and 
tap (which I wanted to have anyway), the whole mount cost me about $15 to 
make. Most of that was the cost of the aluminum flat bar, of which I have 
plenty leftover for other projects. (I already had the QR skewer from I 
don't know where.) Anyway, it was a fun project, not just about saving a 
little dough.

More photos on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Considering my first Riv purchase and looking for helpful advice

[Ty Jeske]

Thanks again for posting the Ebay Sam frame offer and for everyone's 
thoughtful help. Yesterday afternoon I went to the seller's house. He 
showed me his stable, complete with the frame for sale and his three built 
up Sams. They were all 56cm double TT versions and a little tall for me, so 
I think the 55cm will be perfect. They rode like a dream, and the quality 
and craftsmanship were outstanding. I was surprised by how thin and light 
the frame was. I never would have guessed from the ride - the bike feels 
sturdy but yielding. You guys know that already though. The point is, I'm 
convinced this is the bike for me. I will call them this week to discuss 
sizing and dimensions. Any final words of advice?

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:30:48 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> You can always buy it, and if you like it, but absolutely want it new or 
> the 55 cm 1TT just resell it.  You should be able to move it quick and get 
> your money back.  But for the price of a repaint, which isn't necessary 
> but'll essentially make it new, you'll come out of this for less than a new 
> Sam+shipping with little liability.   
>
> I'd buy it and leave it alone though.  Then you won't agonize over that 
> first scratch.  I really like the green and the non creamed headtube.  I 
> find it understated and the lugwork speaks for itself.  You won't regret 
> the auxiliary TT either. 
>
>
> Fair winds, 
>
> Captain Conway Bennett 
>
> > On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Ty Jeske > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > @conway, 
> > Thanks! The Sam you saw on EBay is actually right here in Tampa. I sent 
> him a message to see if I can see it first. 
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[RBW] Re: Greetings! - 64cm Atlantis?

[Gregg V.]

Keith,
Don't know if your still in the market for a 64cm Atlantis. I just listed 
mine for sale within the rivendell Groups. You may contact me directly at 
480-Six Five Two-31 Nine Nine. I'm located in northern San Diego. I may be 
in Fresno on Monday or Tuesday. Let me know asap. Thanks, Gregg

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:15:26 PM UTC-7, Keith B wrote:
>
> Tony 
> Congrats and let me know if you ever want to sell it. I've been looking 
> for a 64cm Toyo built for 2 years. Wish I never sold my 2005 model. My name 
> is Keith and I live in Alameda. Anyone looking to unload a 64cm Atlantis 
> please let me know
> Thanks 
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:53:39 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> Been lurking a while enjoying the discussion.  I'm going to be going to 
>> look at a used Atlantis frame/fork tomorrow morning, reported to be a 64cm 
>> and built for 700C wheels... looking at Riv's site it looks like that isn't 
>> a standard size, at least anymore.  My PBH is 92, 6' tall... might be a bit 
>> of a stretch for me so I'll have to see it in person.  The prospect of 
>> maybe owning one of these fine frames is pretty cool.  Can anyone fill me 
>> in on the 64cm size...?  Anyway, hopefully the seller measured 'large' or I 
>> shrink a bit tonight... :)  We'll see!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[RBW] Sam hillborne

['bill' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sam Hilborne.  I recently purchased a sam Hillborne that may have been stolen . 
Please contact me if you have lost one. It is the single top tube version. 
Bill. 1-510-604-2304

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[RBW] Rain Gear

[A CT Cyclist]

Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford, Bridgestone, and Rawland - Chris King, Phil Wood, etc.

[Christopher Miller Rosales]

Hello all, thank you for the emails and interest!
 
The Bridgestone and Rawland are tentatively spoken for, the Waterford is 
not.
 
No one wants a lean and mean roadie in the stable? Reducing price to $1100 
for bay area pick-up, or $1200 shipped CONUS. Thanks!
 
-Chris 

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[RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[jar351]

(Hmm... I tried posting this a couple of days ago but it didn't go through 
for some reason. Let's try it one more time.)

The weekend before last I picked up a used medium saddlesack from another 
poster on this list (thanks again, Dave, for a very pleasant transaction). 
As an Oakland resident who often often locks his bike on the street for 
short periods of time, though, I became concerned that someone would steal 
my oh-so-fancy-looking bag, even if it were chained and ziptied to my bike. 
After some consideration and some helpful criticism from my partner, I 
decided on the quick-release approach. However, at $96 + tax, the Nitto Grip 
 that Rivendell sells is just too 
much an extravagance for me. After all, that's almost as much as I paid for 
the bag!

So, off to the hardware store I went, and two happy afternoons later, 
here's what I came up with:



For the record, yes, I basically copied the Nitto design as best I could 
and also took some cues from someone who had made the same sort of thing 
and posted it on Flickr. So I can't take any credit for the design, except 
perhaps for the idea to bar-wrap the PVC tube that the QR skewer skewers. 
Anyhow, if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and tap (which I 
wanted to have anyway) nor of the QR skewer (which I had already), the 
total cost of the mount was about $15. I'm sure it's not quite as sturdy as 
the Nitto mount, but so far it's proved capable as well as convenient.

All of this to say that it can be easily and cheaply done, and it makes a 
fun Sunday afternoon project.

More pics here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/ 


Parts list:


   - about 18 inches of aluminum flat bar
   - two 5mm allen screws w/ lock washers
   - one 5-inch length of 1/2" PVC
   - a long QR skewer
   - some cotton bar tape and twine
   

Tools I used:

   - hacksaw
   - ancient B&D drill w/ new 5mm and 4.2mm bits
   - 5mm tap
   - various metal files
   - ruler
   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Mathew Greiner]

My Handsome Devil came with some cheapo nylon Welgos with pins. I liked 
them a lot. Upgraded to the MKS Grip Kings, and I like those, too, but they 
have just a little bit less grip, so I keep thinking that I'll throw some 
add-on pins into my basket on my next Riv order. Two orders have passed 
where I didn't, but there's always next time. I mean, when's my pre-ordered 
striped wool shirt going to come, anyway?

On Monday, September 29, 2014 7:44:21 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:
>
> Rob at Ocean Air Cycles might still have some silver VP Vice. Worth 
> asking. Although they do add up $ wise
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:36 PM, David Banzer  > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any experience with pedals that are similar to the 
>> VP-001Thin Gripsters or VO Sabots?
>> I have silver VPs on my Redwood and love them. While I'd like to get the 
>> same for the rest of my bikes, the price does add up and silver doesn't 
>> appear to be an option anymore.
>> Specifically I saw these on eBay:
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151016287549?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WELLGO-KC008-Bike-Flat-Pedals-Sealed-Bearing-MTB-Aluminum-Platform-Pedals-9-16-/261568167720?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3ce6ad7f28
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Brand-4-Colors-Wellgo-KC007-Platform-MBT-BMX-Bike-Bicycle-Pedal-Pedals-9-16-/251471707962?pt=US_Pedals&var=&hash=item3a8ce1bf3a
>>
>> Either way, I'll be ordering another set of dark gray VPs from Riv 
>> shortly, but I have more space now which means all my project bikes can be 
>> built up fully.
>>
>> David
>> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Grip Kings don't slide too much except sometimes when wet.  I like a 
platform pedal made by Velo Orange - the VO Touring pedal @ $90.  No 
slipping whatsoever in any condition.  Very comfortable pedal.  Tim Petersen

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:47:06 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Thinking about a platform pedal.
>
> I like sliding my feet around on the pedals without having to lift them up 
> off the pedal to reposition.
>
> I don't like shoes getting "locked" into a position because the pedal 
> surface mates with grooves in the shoe sole, forcing you to lift the foot 
> off the pedal to adjust your foot position into your pedaling sweet spot.
>
> Does this mating happen with the gripsters and grip kings? Are the spikes 
> removable if desired? Or is it easy to shift the foot around without having 
> to lift off pedal to adjust?
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[RBW] Re: Narrow Compass tires - 3200 mile review

[Johan Larsson]

How much do you, or you and the bike weigh? It's good to know for 
comparison of how tires wear, since they don't last as long with higher 
loads. Myself and a empty bike with no bags/gears weigh about 110 kg/240 
pounds as an example.

Johan Larsson, Sweden


On Friday, September 26, 2014 4:03:51 PM UTC+2, Joan wrote:
>
> Bottom-line: fantastic tires, now with 3,281 miles of use. I've been 
> thinking of posting this update so now while there's a review of the 32's 
> here's my review of skinnier ones:
>
> Love the cushiony ride, and the confident handling, stick-to-the-road 
> sensation. Note: I'm a cautious rider but these tires give me a level of 
> confidence I have not experienced before.  
>
> These are the Cayuse Pass 26mm tires - I know, not nice and wide like our 
> Rivendells will accept, but that's the size that fit on my non-Riv bike and 
> so I bought them back in April.  I didn't know what to expect for 
> longevity, and actually had some misgivings about the whole supple casing, 
> extra light, not very thick tread.  I'm used to getting 4,000 miles out of 
> tires, mostly Vittoria Rubinos in the past few years.  And I've always 
> chosen tires with advertised built-in "flat protection" of some kind.  
>
> So, ok, I put these tires on my bike on April 8, then went to Tennessee 
> and rode 400 miles on some chewed up, barely paved rural roads (as well as 
> decent paved ones).  I've ridden about 10 miles on gravel, couple of miles 
> at a time (because it was 'there') and the tires handled it well.  I've 
> ridden hundreds - really, thousands of miles on the pot-holed, chip-sealed 
> roads of rural Virginia and Maryland and another 300+ miles in Maine.  The 
> tires now have 3,281 miles on them.  I examined them carefully a few days 
> ago (with an expert witness) - and the rear is showing some wear in the 
> center with the cross-hatching now worn off, but the front still has 
> visible cross-hatching on the center. 
>
> Now, since I admit to being a little superstitious, I want to say the 
> following carefully, kind of roundabout, you have to read between the lines 
> - I've never taken the tires off the rim since installing them!!  I've 
> helped several riding companions with flats though while riding my Compass 
> tires.  I mean - we're talking 3,281 miles!   
>
> The tires are really comfortable, seem fast (how to tell? I'M not fast in 
> general...) as in rolling up to speed faster than the Rubinos, corner, 
> descend very confidently.  I have about 67 psi front, 72 rear.  
>
> If you have a bike that needs narrower tires, I highly recommend these.  
>
> Riv-content: the bike itself is very Rived-out: Riv handlebar tube, Sugino 
> crank, canvas tube seat bag, Deore rear der. like on the Bleriot, same 
> cassette & chain as on the Bleriot.
>
> My non-expert two cents,
> Joan
>
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Looking for a 54cm rambouillet

[rodo...@verizon.net]

I often ride up river road thru old ellicott  then up the oella hill back to 
Catonsville . Would live to see your Bleriot. I'm riding that loop tomm, tues 
around 10 am.

A big thank you to all who posted about the Rambo. I hope to add one to my 
collection some day.

Rod

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[RBW] Matching Cables to First Gen Green Sam

[Michael Cinibulk]

I would like to replace my shimano gray cables with some Jagwire braided 
and see that they road pros come in gold. Has anyone paired those with the 
first gen Sam Hillborne with the metallic green and gold (more bronze to my 
eye) seat panel and lettering? It will either look great of clash. Any 
other suggestions for match or contrasting cables?

-Mike

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[RBW] Re: Matching CablesTo First Gen Sam

[Richard L.]

Although I've not seen the combination you are describing, some Jagwire 
dealers will have a sample ring of most of the Jagwire cable colors, 
including the Pro Gold Medal braided cable.

Good luck.


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[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)

[Johan Larsson]

Those Vice pedals sure looks nice. I've never seen a pedal that sits so 
tight to the crankarm.  And those pins are easy to grind down also if you 
want less grip, like it seems some people in this thread wants.

Johan Larsson,
Sweden


On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:35:10 AM UTC+2, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have the VO Sabot and love the amount of grip on them. I could take out 
> the pins on one side if I needed to and may do that to put grip tape on. 
> Rob at Ocean Air Cycles really likes the VP Vice (
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/) 
> and if I were buying new pedals I'd grab a pair of those.
>
> -J
>
> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:18:28 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I have VP-001 gripsters with pins on one side, and skateboard grip tape 
>> on the other. The tape comes off after several months, but gives a good 
>> attachment with plenty of easy movement. The grip side is less comfortable, 
>> but maybe better for pulling away from stop lights on a wet day with a tall 
>> gear.
>>
>> Philip
>> www biketinker.com
>>
> 

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Re: [RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Joe Broach]

Nice work! How did you attach the bracket to the saddle rails? I'm having
trouble imagining just "two 5mm allen screws w/ lock washers
​"​ doing the trick.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM, jar351  wrote:

> (Hmm... I tried posting this a couple of days ago but it didn't go through
> for some reason. Let's try it one more time.)
>
> The weekend before last I picked up a used medium saddlesack from another
> poster on this list (thanks again, Dave, for a very pleasant transaction).
> As an Oakland resident who often often locks his bike on the street for
> short periods of time, though, I became concerned that someone would steal
> my oh-so-fancy-looking bag, even if it were chained and ziptied to my bike.
> After some consideration and some helpful criticism from my partner, I
> decided on the quick-release approach. However, at $96 + tax, the Nitto
> Grip  that Rivendell sells is
> just too much an extravagance for me. After all, that's almost as much as I
> paid for the bag!
>
> So, off to the hardware store I went, and two happy afternoons later,
> here's what I came up with:
>
>
> 
>
> For the record, yes, I basically copied the Nitto design as best I could
> and also took some cues from someone who had made the same sort of thing
> and posted it on Flickr. So I can't take any credit for the design, except
> perhaps for the idea to bar-wrap the PVC tube that the QR skewer skewers.
> Anyhow, if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and tap (which I
> wanted to have anyway) nor of the QR skewer (which I had already), the
> total cost of the mount was about $15. I'm sure it's not quite as sturdy as
> the Nitto mount, but so far it's proved capable as well as convenient.
>
> All of this to say that it can be easily and cheaply done, and it makes a
> fun Sunday afternoon project.
>
> More pics here:
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/
> 
>
> Parts list:
>
>
>- about 18 inches of aluminum flat bar
>- two 5mm allen screws w/ lock washers
>- one 5-inch length of 1/2" PVC
>- a long QR skewer
>- some cotton bar tape and twine
>
>
> Tools I used:
>
>- hacksaw
>- ancient B&D drill w/ new 5mm and 4.2mm bits
>- 5mm tap
>- various metal files
>- ruler
>
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[RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Michael Hechmer]

I live at the bottom of a long, steep dirt road.  Going downhill on a dirt 
or gravel road is different than pavement.  I set my pedals horizontal and 
lift my buns off the saddle.  Keep the knees loose.  I put my hands very 
loosely around the brake levers, mostly on the side to keep the wheel in a 
straight line.  Relax. go.

Michael

PS Flatted on a rough section of gravel about 7 miles from home yesterday, 
and then discovered the spare had a tear.  Walked about a mile until an SUV 
with a bike rack went bye and didn't stop.  Decided I had to get over the 
male ego I don't ask for help thing.  Walked another mile till a Jetta 
wagon came along, picked me up and took me home.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:54:08 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Today I went to check out a new run of MUP they are doing on my wife's 
> route to work. We ride together, and it is fun.
> Anyway, I went down to the new bridge and MUP sections they are soon to 
> complete (hopefully). One section was still all gravel, and since I didn't 
> go down it before, I was curious to see how and where it will connect to 
> the existing MUP.
>
> I took off down it and, wow, I don't know how you gravelly riders stay on 
> your bike on that stuff. Loose egg/palm sized gravel rocks were kicking my 
> back wheel sideways at times, and having me bouncing all over - wide 
> tires or no.
>
> Maybe you guys who gravel grind do it on hard packed flattish stuff. But 
> the loose stuff/large rocks had me wondering how you guys get anywhere on 
> the stuff. I'll be the first to admit I have zero experience with 
> offroad/gravel riding. I was trying to pick lines on some almost packed 
> looking areas, but it was really tough to stay on the bike and go more than 
> 2 miles an hour or so. This is a new project they are doing an maybe the 
> gravel just hasn't been own long enough to get packed enough to ride on it.
>
> Got any tips?
>

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Re: [RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Bill Lindsay]

He probably drilled through the saddle rail and threaded that hole..OK 
probably not.  :-P

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:51:15 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote:
>
> Nice work! How did you attach the bracket to the saddle rails? I'm having 
> trouble imagining just "two 5mm allen screws w/ lock washers
> ​"​ doing the trick.
>
> Best,
> joe broach
> portland, or
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM, jar351 > 
> wrote:
>
>> (Hmm... I tried posting this a couple of days ago but it didn't go 
>> through for some reason. Let's try it one more time.)
>>
>> The weekend before last I picked up a used medium saddlesack from another 
>> poster on this list (thanks again, Dave, for a very pleasant transaction). 
>> As an Oakland resident who often often locks his bike on the street for 
>> short periods of time, though, I became concerned that someone would steal 
>> my oh-so-fancy-looking bag, even if it were chained and ziptied to my bike. 
>> After some consideration and some helpful criticism from my partner, I 
>> decided on the quick-release approach. However, at $96 + tax, the Nitto 
>> Grip  that Rivendell sells is 
>> just too much an extravagance for me. After all, that's almost as much as I 
>> paid for the bag!
>>
>> So, off to the hardware store I went, and two happy afternoons later, 
>> here's what I came up with:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> For the record, yes, I basically copied the Nitto design as best I could 
>> and also took some cues from someone who had made the same sort of thing 
>> and posted it on Flickr. So I can't take any credit for the design, except 
>> perhaps for the idea to bar-wrap the PVC tube that the QR skewer skewers. 
>> Anyhow, if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and tap (which I 
>> wanted to have anyway) nor of the QR skewer (which I had already), the 
>> total cost of the mount was about $15. I'm sure it's not quite as sturdy as 
>> the Nitto mount, but so far it's proved capable as well as convenient.
>>
>> All of this to say that it can be easily and cheaply done, and it makes a 
>> fun Sunday afternoon project.
>>
>> More pics here:
>>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/ 
>> 
>>
>> Parts list:
>>
>>
>>- about 18 inches of aluminum flat bar
>>- two 5mm allen screws w/ lock washers
>>- one 5-inch length of 1/2" PVC
>>- a long QR skewer
>>- some cotton bar tape and twine
>>
>>
>> Tools I used:
>>
>>- hacksaw
>>- ancient B&D drill w/ new 5mm and 4.2mm bits
>>- 5mm tap
>>- various metal files
>>- ruler
>>
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[RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Here is how I understand it: Any ride I do is figured as if it is a 
straight point A to point B ride. In essence that's what all rides are 
because the bike covers terrain in a linear fashion. Some of them end where 
they start, some are out and back, but the ride itself is whatever terrain 
you cover on the bike. For example, an out and back elevation chart looks 
like a mirror image from the middle to the end, as you've turned around and 
are covering the same ground you just rode.

Elevation gain/loss = change in altitude
Gain/climbing = up
Loss/descending = down

Grade equals distance up or down divided by distance traveled forward. So 
if I go up 12 feet when traveling 100 feet, I'm on a 12% grade.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:34:45 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>
>  So do they measure the footage of climbing going only one way on the loop 
> (direction the ride will take), or does it include all uphills from both 
> directions? I know this may be a dumb question, but I get confused by terms 
> like "climbing", "gain", and "elevation".
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Re: [RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Chris Chen]

That's pretty sweet!

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM, jar351  wrote:

> I was pretty psyched when I bought a used Saddlesack bag from a fellow
> poster here last weekend. My partner was not. She thinks I spend too much
> of my very little money on bike stuff--for the record, she's right--and
> besides that, we live in Oakland. So perhaps understandably she responded
> to my boyish excitement with a look that said, "you *know* that's way too
> f-ing fancy and it's *going* to get stolen." I retorted that I planned to
> attach it to my bike with a piece of bike chain and a crap load of zip
> ties, but still she was unfazed. Those things would not stop a thief. As
> much as I hated to admit it she was right. That's when I decided to the
> opposite tack: make the bag super *easy* to detach and carry. I know that
> Riv sells a Nitto-made doohickey for just such a purpose, but come on,
> $100? That's almost as much as I paid for the friggin bag.
>
> Anyhow, that's how I ended up making this thing:
>
>
> 
> For the record, yes, I blatantly copied the Nitto design as much as
> possible, and took some cues from another DIYer who had made the same kind
> of thing and posted it on Flickr. I couldn't figure out the attachment
> mechanism of the Nitto mount from the photos on the Riv site, so I just
> made a back plate and sandwiched the saddle rails between it and the main
> plate that you see in the photo. Seems to work well enough so far.
>
> The body of the mount I made from aluminum flat bar, so I'm sure it's not
> as durable as the Nitto one, which I assume is steel, but how strong does
> this thing need to be? The tube that the QR skewer goes through is just
> 1/2-inch PVC but I decided to wrap it in bar tape to avoid the toilet paper
> dispenser look.
>
> I made this in a few hours with no power tools except an ancient
> Black&Decker drill and if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and
> tap (which I wanted to have anyway), the whole mount cost me about $15 to
> make. Most of that was the cost of the aluminum flat bar, of which I have
> plenty leftover for other projects. (I already had the QR skewer from I
> don't know where.) Anyway, it was a fun project, not just about saving a
> little dough.
>
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/
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Re: [RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[Anne Paulson]

If you're going to calculate it that way, Patrick, then the average
over the 200 miles is 0% grade, because the route is a loop.

But if you want to calculate climbing only, then you have to assume
that half of the ride is climbing and the other half descending, so
the climbing portion averages 3% ascent, and the descending portion
averages 3% descent.

Math IS my strong suit.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> Remember, you have to keep the altitude number in perspective based on
> distance. Three miles vertical climbing in 200 miles is pretty spread out.
> Math isn't my strong suite, so correct me if I'm wrong, but that averages to
> 1.5% grade (which of course is not at all the way it happens on the road,
> thank heaven!).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:56 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> 14,000 feet of climbing?!?! Wow.
>> How much riding mileage do you do per week to keep in shape for these
>> rides?
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Re: [RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[hsmitham]

Very well done.

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Jay Lonner]

Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's 
my take, after many years of commuting by bike.

I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just 
don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid 
environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive 
water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable 
water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can 
help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get 
caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.

It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of ventilation 
options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley used to 
make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped production. I've 
heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual successor to Burley, 
but I've never owned one myself.

Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I 
actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out 
last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds 
water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it 
had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long 
time.

For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not 
get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool 
t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means 
that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed 
up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a 
pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't 
waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from 
overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer, 
if needed. 

I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain than 
I do when the weather is hot and humid.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Anne Paulson]

What was it that people liked about the Ice Cream Truck? What made it fun?

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> We broke the MCBR weekend into 4 parts. Friday night we rode to a Saint Paul 
> establishment for dinner and drinks. I think there were around 15 of us at 
> the start. There were at least two Rivs in attendance: Marc's gorgeous Hunq 
> and Tim's first-year Riv Road. Lillian was riding a San Marcos. Hope I'm not 
> forgetting anyone. The rest of the group was riding various other brands of 
> "Country Bike".
>
> Saturday morning, we tested several fat bike models on some dirt trails in 
> Fort Snelling state park. Some park employees and other passersby  came over 
> to try the bikes. The new Surly Ice Cream Truck seemed to be a hit. Highlight 
> for me: My wife's non-cycling 61yo aunt rode the XS ICT over some challenging 
> off-trail terrain and smiled the whole time.
>
> Saturday afternoon, the group rode a section of the Minnesota River Bottoms. 
> This is basically a mostly flat, non-technical dirt trail along the Minnesota 
> River. The trail is unofficial and mostly maintained by volunteers. 
> Unfortunately, the state park people recently "cleared" the portion of the 
> trail that runs through the park. Their hearts were in the right place, but 
> it looks like they used a bulldozer, and just pushed sand and trees around, 
> leaving the trail worse for the wear in places. Most of us were on fat bikes 
> or mountain bikes, but Sean showed up with a Hilsen and JB tires, which 
> handled the dirt with ease, and made the rest of us feel kinda silly.
>
> Sunday was the pavement ride. We started from HC, and followed the Minnehaha 
> Creek bike trail to the Minneapolis chain of lakes. One of the ride 
> participants lost her wallet and phone the night before at an ice cream shop 
> in Uptown, so we stopped there to ask if they'd found it. Luckily, they had, 
> and everything seemed to be in order. We had a small conference on where to 
> go next, and decided to head to a nearby coffee shop that features a gay 
> leather/bondage theme. I restocked my supply of leather-scented body wash. So 
> that was fun. From there, we hit the Bryant Ave bikeway, Loring Park, 
> Downtown Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall, Hennepin Ave bridge, Saint Anthony Main, 
> Stone Arch Bridge, University of Minnesota, the new Dinkytown greenway, U of 
> MN transitway, Como Park, Frogtown, downtown Saint Paul, then across the 
> river to climb the infamous Ohio St hill, Cherokee Park, followed by a 
> thrilling descent on Hwy 13 into Mendota. I said my goodbyes and headed home 
> from there, happy to have shown the riders such a broad cross-section of the 
> Twin Cities amazing cycling opportunities.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Chris Chen]

Seconded to "underdressing" when wearing any rain gear.

My J&G jacket has done wonders, is made in Oregon, but it's about two (or
three?) years old so I'm looking to replace it. I rarely wear rain pants,
but often quick-dry fabrics and wool (which stays comfy even when it gets
damp) are super handy.

You might get into a cape, but just be aware that capes don't breathe at
all either, and they're effectively sails, so...

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's
> my take, after many years of commuting by bike.
>
> I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just
> don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid
> environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive
> water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable
> water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can
> help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get
> caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.
>
> It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of
> ventilation options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley
> used to make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped
> production. I've heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual
> successor to Burley, but I've never owned one myself.
>
> Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I
> actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out
> last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds
> water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it
> had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long
> time.
>
> For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not
> get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool
> t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means
> that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed
> up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a
> pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't
> waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from
> overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer,
> if needed.
>
> I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain
> than I do when the weather is hot and humid.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for
>> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I
>> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: More Moments from Saturday's Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Brilliant, Anne! Thanks for the explanation that got the bean in the right 
hole in my head. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Deacon Patrick]

+1 for ventile. If Rivendell's offering isn't your thing, I highly 
recommend Hilltrek in Scotland. Brilliant stuff that works and is hearty 
and withstands deluges, wind, etc. Get their Cotton Analogy for the most 
waterproof/breathable option in existence (I've tried nearly all the 
concepts out there). I own and love this: 
http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/Liathach-Cotton-Analogy-Extreme-Smock-.html, 
but if you don't need the side zips and extra pockets, then this is less 
coinage:
http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Foinaven_Cotton_Analogy__Smock.html
Ventile/Cotton Analogy breathes nearly as well as your cotton shirt 
(because it is untreated cotton) but water does not get through. The liner 
in the cotton analogy mimics fur, using capillary action to force any and 
all moisture away from your body, including sweat (not just vapor, but 
liquid). Brilliant stuff!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE!!

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:12:41 PM UTC-7, jar351 wrote:
>
> I was pretty psyched when I bought a used Saddlesack bag from a fellow 
> poster here last weekend. My partner was not. She thinks I spend too much 
> of my very little money on bike stuff--for the record, she's right--and 
> besides that, we live in Oakland. So perhaps understandably she responded 
> to my boyish excitement with a look that said, "you *know* that's way too 
> f-ing fancy and it's *going* to get stolen." I retorted that I planned to 
> attach it to my bike with a piece of bike chain and a crap load of zip 
> ties, but still she was unfazed. Those things would not stop a thief. As 
> much as I hated to admit it she was right. That's when I decided to the 
> opposite tack: make the bag super *easy* to detach and carry. I know that 
> Riv sells a Nitto-made doohickey for just such a purpose, but come on, 
> $100? That's almost as much as I paid for the friggin bag.
>
> Anyhow, that's how I ended up making this thing:
>
>
> 
> For the record, yes, I blatantly copied the Nitto design as much as 
> possible, and took some cues from another DIYer who had made the same kind 
> of thing and posted it on Flickr. I couldn't figure out the attachment 
> mechanism of the Nitto mount from the photos on the Riv site, so I just 
> made a back plate and sandwiched the saddle rails between it and the main 
> plate that you see in the photo. Seems to work well enough so far.
>
> The body of the mount I made from aluminum flat bar, so I'm sure it's not 
> as durable as the Nitto one, which I assume is steel, but how strong does 
> this thing need to be? The tube that the QR skewer goes through is just 
> 1/2-inch PVC but I decided to wrap it in bar tape to avoid the toilet paper 
> dispenser look. 
>
> I made this in a few hours with no power tools except an ancient 
> Black&Decker drill and if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and 
> tap (which I wanted to have anyway), the whole mount cost me about $15 to 
> make. Most of that was the cost of the aluminum flat bar, of which I have 
> plenty leftover for other projects. (I already had the QR skewer from I 
> don't know where.) Anyway, it was a fun project, not just about saving a 
> little dough.
>
> More photos on Flickr: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Ron Mc]

I have the highest tech, lightest weight Gortex 3 technical shell and it 
works great, just not on a bike.  I was wearing it between buildings in a 
monsoon at a client's plant last week.  
On a bike you want a bike-specific poncho - you need that tent factor to 
have moving air and keep you cool.  I give a big thumbs-up to Vaude 
Valdipino poncho.  

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:18:30 PM UTC-5, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's 
> my take, after many years of commuting by bike.
>
> I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just 
> don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid 
> environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive 
> water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable 
> water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can 
> help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get 
> caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.
>
> It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of 
> ventilation options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley 
> used to make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped 
> production. I've heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual 
> successor to Burley, but I've never owned one myself.
>
> Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I 
> actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out 
> last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds 
> water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it 
> had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long 
> time.
>
> For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not 
> get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool 
> t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means 
> that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed 
> up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a 
> pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't 
> waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from 
> overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer, 
> if needed. 
>
> I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain 
> than I do when the weather is hot and humid.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
>> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
>> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/30/2014 06:34 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
+1 for ventile. If Rivendell's offering isn't your thing, I highly 
recommend Hilltrek in Scotland. Brilliant stuff that works and is 
hearty and withstands deluges, wind, etc. Get their Cotton Analogy for 
the most waterproof/breathable option in existence (I've tried nearly 
all the concepts out there). I own and love this: 
http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/Liathach-Cotton-Analogy-Extreme-Smock-.html, 
but if you don't need the side zips and extra pockets, then this is 
less coinage:

http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Foinaven_Cotton_Analogy__Smock.html
Ventile/Cotton Analogy breathes nearly as well as your cotton shirt 
(because it is untreated cotton) but water does not get through. The 
liner in the cotton analogy mimics fur, using capillary action to 
force any and all moisture away from your body, including sweat (not 
just vapor, but liquid). Brilliant stuff!


Ventile is great when it's chilly out.  Definitely not for a summer rain 
when it's 80 or 90 degrees out, though.



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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Matt Beebe]

Wool flannel shirts, wool undewear and socks.Twill dries fairly quickly 
compared to other cotton, so it's OK for pants.   I don't like any kind of 
'shell' jackets because i find them suffocating no matter how many vents 
you add, so I'd rather just be wet and wearing wool.   Shells are OK for 
camping, or when you're not moving anymore after a ride.   Also I find that 
regular moccasin type boat shoes, since they're kinda minimal, dry quickly 
too.



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> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>

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[RBW] How Cool

[Eric Norris]

My daughter just got a job here:

http://vimeo.com/20639767

My first question for her: "Do they have a family member discount?"

If you're in Portland, stop by and ask for Sarah. She'll be there on weekends 
to start.

--Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Tim Gavin]

The ginormous 5" tires!  The ICT just rolled over everything, like a
monster truck, powered by grins.

The sparkly blue paint job ain't bad, either.  But the sparkly black on one
Moonlander is the best Surly paint I've seen so far.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Anne Paulson 
wrote:

> What was it that people liked about the Ice Cream Truck? What made it fun?
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>  wrote:
> > We broke the MCBR weekend into 4 parts. Friday night we rode to a Saint
> Paul establishment for dinner and drinks. I think there were around 15 of
> us at the start. There were at least two Rivs in attendance: Marc's
> gorgeous Hunq and Tim's first-year Riv Road. Lillian was riding a San
> Marcos. Hope I'm not forgetting anyone. The rest of the group was riding
> various other brands of "Country Bike".
> >
> > Saturday morning, we tested several fat bike models on some dirt trails
> in Fort Snelling state park. Some park employees and other passersby  came
> over to try the bikes. The new Surly Ice Cream Truck seemed to be a hit.
> Highlight for me: My wife's non-cycling 61yo aunt rode the XS ICT over some
> challenging off-trail terrain and smiled the whole time.
> >
> > Saturday afternoon, the group rode a section of the Minnesota River
> Bottoms. This is basically a mostly flat, non-technical dirt trail along
> the Minnesota River. The trail is unofficial and mostly maintained by
> volunteers. Unfortunately, the state park people recently "cleared" the
> portion of the trail that runs through the park. Their hearts were in the
> right place, but it looks like they used a bulldozer, and just pushed sand
> and trees around, leaving the trail worse for the wear in places. Most of
> us were on fat bikes or mountain bikes, but Sean showed up with a Hilsen
> and JB tires, which handled the dirt with ease, and made the rest of us
> feel kinda silly.
> >
> > Sunday was the pavement ride. We started from HC, and followed the
> Minnehaha Creek bike trail to the Minneapolis chain of lakes. One of the
> ride participants lost her wallet and phone the night before at an ice
> cream shop in Uptown, so we stopped there to ask if they'd found it.
> Luckily, they had, and everything seemed to be in order. We had a small
> conference on where to go next, and decided to head to a nearby coffee shop
> that features a gay leather/bondage theme. I restocked my supply of
> leather-scented body wash. So that was fun. From there, we hit the Bryant
> Ave bikeway, Loring Park, Downtown Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall, Hennepin Ave
> bridge, Saint Anthony Main, Stone Arch Bridge, University of Minnesota, the
> new Dinkytown greenway, U of MN transitway, Como Park, Frogtown, downtown
> Saint Paul, then across the river to climb the infamous Ohio St hill,
> Cherokee Park, followed by a thrilling descent on Hwy 13 into Mendota. I
> said my goodbyes and headed home from there, happy to have shown the riders
> such a broad cross-section of the Twin Cities amazing cycling opportunities.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Dan A]

While I enjoyed the ice cream truck I actually preferred the good old Pugsley. 
My freakishly large legs would occasionally hit the wide seat stays on the ice 
cream truck. I also prefer the marginally narrower bottom bracket on the 
Pugsley. Either way fat bikes are a blast. I imagine at some point I may end up 
with one but I would need to cull the herd a little first. 

Dan Abelson 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

[Anne Paulson]

That's one thing I like about my 3" tires: I don't have to jump curbs
and small logs. I just ride at them, and go over.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Tim Gavin
 wrote:
> The ginormous 5" tires!  The ICT just rolled over everything, like a monster
> truck, powered by grins.
>
> The sparkly blue paint job ain't bad, either.  But the sparkly black on one
> Moonlander is the best Surly paint I've seen so far.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Anne Paulson 
> wrote:
>>
>> What was it that people liked about the Ice Cream Truck? What made it fun?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>>  wrote:
>> > We broke the MCBR weekend into 4 parts. Friday night we rode to a Saint
>> > Paul establishment for dinner and drinks. I think there were around 15 of 
>> > us
>> > at the start. There were at least two Rivs in attendance: Marc's gorgeous
>> > Hunq and Tim's first-year Riv Road. Lillian was riding a San Marcos. Hope
>> > I'm not forgetting anyone. The rest of the group was riding various other
>> > brands of "Country Bike".
>> >
>> > Saturday morning, we tested several fat bike models on some dirt trails
>> > in Fort Snelling state park. Some park employees and other passersby  came
>> > over to try the bikes. The new Surly Ice Cream Truck seemed to be a hit.
>> > Highlight for me: My wife's non-cycling 61yo aunt rode the XS ICT over some
>> > challenging off-trail terrain and smiled the whole time.
>> >
>> > Saturday afternoon, the group rode a section of the Minnesota River
>> > Bottoms. This is basically a mostly flat, non-technical dirt trail along 
>> > the
>> > Minnesota River. The trail is unofficial and mostly maintained by
>> > volunteers. Unfortunately, the state park people recently "cleared" the
>> > portion of the trail that runs through the park. Their hearts were in the
>> > right place, but it looks like they used a bulldozer, and just pushed sand
>> > and trees around, leaving the trail worse for the wear in places. Most of 
>> > us
>> > were on fat bikes or mountain bikes, but Sean showed up with a Hilsen and 
>> > JB
>> > tires, which handled the dirt with ease, and made the rest of us feel kinda
>> > silly.
>> >
>> > Sunday was the pavement ride. We started from HC, and followed the
>> > Minnehaha Creek bike trail to the Minneapolis chain of lakes. One of the
>> > ride participants lost her wallet and phone the night before at an ice 
>> > cream
>> > shop in Uptown, so we stopped there to ask if they'd found it. Luckily, 
>> > they
>> > had, and everything seemed to be in order. We had a small conference on
>> > where to go next, and decided to head to a nearby coffee shop that features
>> > a gay leather/bondage theme. I restocked my supply of leather-scented body
>> > wash. So that was fun. From there, we hit the Bryant Ave bikeway, Loring
>> > Park, Downtown Minneapolis, Nicollet Mall, Hennepin Ave bridge, Saint
>> > Anthony Main, Stone Arch Bridge, University of Minnesota, the new Dinkytown
>> > greenway, U of MN transitway, Como Park, Frogtown, downtown Saint Paul, 
>> > then
>> > across the river to climb the infamous Ohio St hill, Cherokee Park, 
>> > followed
>> > by a thrilling descent on Hwy 13 into Mendota. I said my goodbyes and 
>> > headed
>> > home from there, happy to have shown the riders such a broad cross-section
>> > of the Twin Cities amazing cycling opportunities.
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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Michael Hechmer]

On the other side of the continent I agree.  The real problem isn't staying 
dry, it's not overheating.  In commuting it's always best to start out 
feeling chilly.  In warm, rainy weather I finally decided a simple wool 
jersey was best.  When it got cooler having a light wool jacket strapped to 
my Barley Bag was appreciated.  Down in the 40s or below I liked my well 
ventilated Rain Showers II jacket.

Michael

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:18:30 PM UTC-4, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Well I'm from the Pacific NW, so I basically have a Ph.D. in rain. Here's 
> my take, after many years of commuting by bike.
>
> I'm not a big fan of so-called waterproof/breathable jackets. They just 
> don't live up to the hype. They don't breathe particularly well in humid 
> environments, because there's not enough of a moisture gradient to drive 
> water vapor through the membrane. Also, after a few years, the durable 
> water repellent finish wears off, and while there are products that can 
> help restore this, in my experience it's never as good as new. So don't get 
> caught up in buying the latest miracle fabric.
>
> It's much more important, I think, to get a jacket with lots of 
> ventilation options - pit zips, pocket zips, and a flap on the back. Burley 
> used to make a good cycling-specific jacket, but has since stopped 
> production. I've heard Showers Pass described as a sort of spiritual 
> successor to Burley, but I've never owned one myself.
>
> Because of my frustration with modern waterproof/breathable fabrics I 
> actually bought one of Riv's Ventile-ish cycling jackets when they came out 
> last year. It's good - I like it. I am surprised at how well it sheds 
> water, and I think it breathes better then Gore-Tex and the like. I wish it 
> had pit zips, but I'm happy with the purchase. I think it will last a long 
> time.
>
> For me, the real key to managing internally generated moisture is to not 
> get too hot and sweaty in the first place. I usually wear a Smartwool 
> t-shirt under my jacket, with no additional insulating layers. This means 
> that I start my commute a little chilly, but within 10 minutes I'm warmed 
> up enough to be comfortable. I rarely wear actual rain paints; I prefer a 
> pair of very lightweight nylon pants that breathe well and aren't 
> waterproof at all. But they dry very quickly and help keep me from 
> overheating. Once I arrive at my destination I change into something nicer, 
> if needed. 
>
> I actually have an easier time staying dry and comfortable in the rain 
> than I do when the weather is hot and humid.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:43:00 AM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what does everyone wear when commuting in the rain? I'm looking for 
>> something that I can wear with "normal" clothing. Something light that I 
>> can layer under and not sweat profusely, ha ha. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Some items for sale

[Jim Bronson]

1970s Eisentraut A series touring frame and fork C-C measurements 69 cm ST,
62TT.  Bought from iBob list a few years back but never built up.  Wife
says I must get it out of interior closet $500+shipping.

Late 90s Paul Taylor custom frame, aftermarket fork, 69 ST, 66 TT, just
re-powdercoated, stiff and fast, for really tall guys only, threadless,
clearance for 700x23 front 28 rear $400 plus shipping

Gray Campy Centaur/DeepV 700c silver 14ga spokes 32H rear wheel mid2000s
hub very smooth bearings, built by Nelo's Pro Cycles in Austin $150 +
shipping

13-26 Campy Veloce 9 speed currently installed on above wheel will sell
together for $20 extra or $30 separate.  Approximately 1000 miles on
cassette.  Shifts good.

Front DT Swiss Hugi 240/Mavic Open Pro 700c silver wheel 32H DT double
butted, built by the legendary Joe Young very smooth and straight, no noise
from rim joint like some open pros $125 + shipping.

Front Dura Ace/IRD Clyde 700c wheel 36H black with silver spokes came with
Paul Taylor frame, of unknown origin but spins smooth and straight $100
plus shipping.

Rear Chris King (shimano hubshell) polished/Black Deep V 700c 36H 14ga
spokes built by AJ at the Peddler in Austin smooth and true $225 plus
shipping.

Campy chorus 10 speed long cage silver rear derailer good condition one
small scrape on body $40 shipped

Shimano 11-30 9 speed cassette used about 750 miles, decided to switch to
11-34.  $25 shipped.

Tektro RX40 polished silver short reach brakes with Kool Stop salmon pads,
were on my Rivendell before conversion to 650b.  On my custom I could get
700x32 under them although it was tight and maybe not possible on
non-Rivendells.  $20 shipped.

Shimano Ultegra 6600 10 speed short cage derailer, was a takeoff from a
brand new bike, buyer wanted SRAM instead, never re-installed,like new $30
shipped.

Velo Orange Rando bars, used, $25+shipping or free shipping if you buy
other items with an aggregate total of over $50

44cm Nitto Noodles, used, too small for me but maybe they're your size?
$40+Shipping or free shipping with total over 50

44cm Deda 215 silver handlebars, were on my Riv when i bought it but too
small for me $25+shipping or free shipping for over $50.

46cm C-C Ritchie handlebars black nice ramps for campy setups, anatomic,
$30+shipping or free shipping at $50.

180mm TA Carmina triple 50-38-26 with matching Phil Wood BB including cups
$275 shipped.

Cane Creek SCR-3 brakes, black, NOS in box, $25 shipped.

That's all for now, pictures coming.

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

What I wear varies with the temperature.  If it's warm enough for shorts and a 
T-shirt and sandals, I use a rain cape.  Sail be damned, it's cool enough.  If 
it's shorts & jacket weather, a rain jacket (Burley) with pit zips.  If it's 
colder than that, I add rain pants.  There are son lovely high-tech products, 
but I'm poor and cheap.

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[RBW] Re: Sam hillborne

[Dave Johnston]

You might email Rivendell with the Serial number. They have a bike registry 
of Riv bikes.

-Dave

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:36:58 PM UTC-4, bill wrote:
>
> Sam Hilborne.  I recently purchased a sam Hillborne that may have been 
> stolen . Please contact me if you have lost one. It is the single top tube 
> version. 
> Bill. 1-510-604-2304

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Re: [RBW] Re: Greetings! - 64cm Atlantis?

[Keith Beato]

Hi Gregg 
I'm interested. Are you the original owner? What year is it? My cell is (510) 
703-1 zero seven four 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:53 PM, "Gregg V."  wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> Don't know if your still in the market for a 64cm Atlantis. I just listed 
> mine for sale within the rivendell Groups. You may contact me directly at 
> 480-Six Five Two-31 Nine Nine. I'm located in northern San Diego. I may be in 
> Fresno on Monday or Tuesday. Let me know asap. Thanks, Gregg
> 
>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:15:26 PM UTC-7, Keith B wrote:
>> Tony 
>> Congrats and let me know if you ever want to sell it. I've been looking for 
>> a 64cm Toyo built for 2 years. Wish I never sold my 2005 model. My name is 
>> Keith and I live in Alameda. Anyone looking to unload a 64cm Atlantis please 
>> let me know
>> Thanks 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:53:39 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>> Hi there!
>>> 
>>> Been lurking a while enjoying the discussion.  I'm going to be going to 
>>> look at a used Atlantis frame/fork tomorrow morning, reported to be a 64cm 
>>> and built for 700C wheels... looking at Riv's site it looks like that isn't 
>>> a standard size, at least anymore.  My PBH is 92, 6' tall... might be a bit 
>>> of a stretch for me so I'll have to see it in person.  The prospect of 
>>> maybe owning one of these fine frames is pretty cool.  Can anyone fill me 
>>> in on the 64cm size...?  Anyway, hopefully the seller measured 'large' or I 
>>> shrink a bit tonight... :)  We'll see!
>>> 
>>> Tony
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[RBW] Re: DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Anton Tutter]

Well done!  I'd like to know more about how you fastened the flat stock to 
the saddle.

Anton


On Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:12:41 PM UTC-4, jar351 wrote:
>
> I was pretty psyched when I bought a used Saddlesack bag from a fellow 
> poster here last weekend. My partner was not. She thinks I spend too much 
> of my very little money on bike stuff--for the record, she's right--and 
> besides that, we live in Oakland. So perhaps understandably she responded 
> to my boyish excitement with a look that said, "you *know* that's way too 
> f-ing fancy and it's *going* to get stolen." I retorted that I planned to 
> attach it to my bike with a piece of bike chain and a crap load of zip 
> ties, but still she was unfazed. Those things would not stop a thief. As 
> much as I hated to admit it she was right. That's when I decided to the 
> opposite tack: make the bag super *easy* to detach and carry. I know that 
> Riv sells a Nitto-made doohickey for just such a purpose, but come on, 
> $100? That's almost as much as I paid for the friggin bag.
>
> Anyhow, that's how I ended up making this thing:
>
>
> 
> For the record, yes, I blatantly copied the Nitto design as much as 
> possible, and took some cues from another DIYer who had made the same kind 
> of thing and posted it on Flickr. I couldn't figure out the attachment 
> mechanism of the Nitto mount from the photos on the Riv site, so I just 
> made a back plate and sandwiched the saddle rails between it and the main 
> plate that you see in the photo. Seems to work well enough so far.
>
> The body of the mount I made from aluminum flat bar, so I'm sure it's not 
> as durable as the Nitto one, which I assume is steel, but how strong does 
> this thing need to be? The tube that the QR skewer goes through is just 
> 1/2-inch PVC but I decided to wrap it in bar tape to avoid the toilet paper 
> dispenser look. 
>
> I made this in a few hours with no power tools except an ancient 
> Black&Decker drill and if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and 
> tap (which I wanted to have anyway), the whole mount cost me about $15 to 
> make. Most of that was the cost of the aluminum flat bar, of which I have 
> plenty leftover for other projects. (I already had the QR skewer from I 
> don't know where.) Anyway, it was a fun project, not just about saving a 
> little dough.
>
> More photos on Flickr: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/
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[RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Ken Yokanovich]

Someday I will print up some teeshirts that say "The gravel is always 
smoother on the other side."

Michael had some great advice when he suggested hanging onto the bars 
loosely.  Very much a let the bike go where it wants to and make subtle 
corrections when the opportunity presents itself.  Relax, look for one of 
the 2 or 3 lines that tend to form toward the middle of the road where cars 
travel.  Sometimes there can be a smoother line toward the edge, it all 
depends upon how well the county does on grading.  

Freshly spread rock or a recently graded road can be unpleasant, but 
generally only for a few miles.  Conditions can vary widely for different 
road, the time of year, and weather. I rode with a good friend on a tour 
from Minnesota to Iowa for a few days and back again.  We took the 
opportunity to ride gravel on a number of occasions for a couple of hundred 
miles.  In the western part of Iowa, the gravel is very loose almost sandy 
and it was difficult to sometimes pick a good line, particularly in the 
dark.

Even with fully-loaded touring bikes, there is something almost magical 
that happens once you can get up to a certain speed.  The bike just sorta 
rolls over the top and things almost feel like they get easier?  Watching 
someone else in front of you bounce around on the road, particularly on a 
fast decent can be a little intimidating.  Out front, unable to see the 
rocks flying off a back wheel or the bike bounce around somehow is more 
confidence inspiring.

I love riding the gravel roads... the unpredictable conditions, the 
interesting challenge that requires some concentration.  The narrower more 
intimate feel of being near the farm fields and rural areas.  Having a 
level of comfort and confidence riding gravel opens up a whole new network 
of roads to explore.

Have fun and share the adventure...

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:54:08 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Today I went to check out a new run of MUP they are doing on my wife's 
> route to work. We ride together, and it is fun.
> Anyway, I went down to the new bridge and MUP sections they are soon to 
> complete (hopefully). One section was still all gravel, and since I didn't 
> go down it before, I was curious to see how and where it will connect to 
> the existing MUP.
>
> I took off down it and, wow, I don't know how you gravelly riders stay on 
> your bike on that stuff. Loose egg/palm sized gravel rocks were kicking my 
> back wheel sideways at times, and having me bouncing all over - wide 
> tires or no.
>
> Maybe you guys who gravel grind do it on hard packed flattish stuff. But 
> the loose stuff/large rocks had me wondering how you guys get anywhere on 
> the stuff. I'll be the first to admit I have zero experience with 
> offroad/gravel riding. I was trying to pick lines on some almost packed 
> looking areas, but it was really tough to stay on the bike and go more than 
> 2 miles an hour or so. This is a new project they are doing an maybe the 
> gravel just hasn't been own long enough to get packed enough to ride on it.
>
> Got any tips?
>

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Re: [RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Patrick Moore]

Nice. I made a couple of similar brackets, cruder than yours, but mine had
the arms angled upward to accommodate the inward slant of my Flite saddles
(and of many other non-Brooks saddles) and therefore had to be cut from
plate and bent accordingly. The Nitto design works not at all well with
modern saddles for this reason -- ie, the arms slant downward toward the
tire, lowering rather than raising the bag above the tire.

Someone with a machine shop and more skill than I could easily make a
Nitto-like and Nitto quality bracket for modern saddles. My brother has
made a few out of old fork ends, but he can braze and I can't. And it
wouldn't have to cost $100, either.

(However, I solved my problem by going back to panniers on a rack.)

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 5:12 PM, jar351  wrote:

> I was pretty psyched when I bought a used Saddlesack bag from a fellow
> poster here last weekend. My partner was not. She thinks I spend too much
> of my very little money on bike stuff--for the record, she's right--and
> besides that, we live in Oakland. So perhaps understandably she responded
> to my boyish excitement with a look that said, "you *know* that's way too
> f-ing fancy and it's *going* to get stolen." I retorted that I planned to
> attach it to my bike with a piece of bike chain and a crap load of zip
> ties, but still she was unfazed. Those things would not stop a thief. As
> much as I hated to admit it she was right. That's when I decided to the
> opposite tack: make the bag super *easy* to detach and carry. I know that
> Riv sells a Nitto-made doohickey for just such a purpose, but come on,
> $100? That's almost as much as I paid for the friggin bag.
>
> Anyhow, that's how I ended up making this thing:
>
>
> 
> For the record, yes, I blatantly copied the Nitto design as much as
> possible, and took some cues from another DIYer who had made the same kind
> of thing and posted it on Flickr. I couldn't figure out the attachment
> mechanism of the Nitto mount from the photos on the Riv site, so I just
> made a back plate and sandwiched the saddle rails between it and the main
> plate that you see in the photo. Seems to work well enough so far.
>
> The body of the mount I made from aluminum flat bar, so I'm sure it's not
> as durable as the Nitto one, which I assume is steel, but how strong does
> this thing need to be? The tube that the QR skewer goes through is just
> 1/2-inch PVC but I decided to wrap it in bar tape to avoid the toilet paper
> dispenser look.
>
> I made this in a few hours with no power tools except an ancient
> Black&Decker drill and if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and
> tap (which I wanted to have anyway), the whole mount cost me about $15 to
> make. Most of that was the cost of the aluminum flat bar, of which I have
> plenty leftover for other projects. (I already had the QR skewer from I
> don't know where.) Anyway, it was a fun project, not just about saving a
> little dough.
>
> More photos on Flickr:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/
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[RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! The hardest roads to ride are those that have just been maintained. 
Tied for first are roads that get enough traffic to get DEEP washboard, 
like the kind that swallows what feels like a third of your tire before 
spitting you out and back down to the next one. I have yet to figure those 
out other than stand and go slow and hope there is a line you can follow at 
some point. They are horrific to hit at speed. Most washboard is short 
lived and/or has a clear line (near the middle or the edge as Ken 
described) through it. Of course, on Colorado dirt roads, there are often 
steep drop-offs to one side, with looser gravel on the shoulders, so that 
is usually a poor line to take.

But back to the loose gravel/pebbles/sand (usually whatever was on sale at 
the quarry. Sardonic grin), we generally get it in patches and the texture 
is often such that n most light you can't tell it apart, so it adds some 
excitement to the Russian roulette aspect of how fast you want to go. The 
good news is maintenance like that generally only happens 1-2 times a year, 
and things firm up pretty quickly if we've had some rain (no idea why, it's 
not like there is clay or mud in the sand/pebbles/gravel they use).

I usually go with a looser grip, but if it gets jouncy I tighten my grip 
stand slightly with knees bent and relaxed and keep my arms bent and 
relaxed. It really is amazing how much shock absorption is in those 
appendages, and how much descending will work your thought and hamstrings 
because you're in a constant squat over the saddle. Switch which foot is 
forward in the 9 and 3 o'clock positions, that helps the legs on long 
descents.

Riding through areas with flickery tree shadow nearly eliminates the 
possibility of seeing ruts or potholes or "iceberg rocks," so that adds to 
the excitement. Grin.

Practice makes better than you used to be and the fun factor makes it easy 
to practice. I would say 98% of the dirt road milage is absolutely splendid 
(meaning there is a relatively smooth and packed way through somewhere on 
the road). It's just that the 2% as described above takes up 20% of your 
time, so tends to get remembered disproportionately. Sardonic grin. Dirt 
roads are well worth the learning curve. Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Narrow Compass tires - 3200 mile review: weight answer

[Joan Oppel]

Re: [RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/30/2014 09:45 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
how much descending will work your *thought* and hamstrings because 
you're in a constant squat over the saddle. Switch which foot is 
forward in the 9 and 3 o'clock positions, that helps the legs on long 
descents.


Is that an autocorrect failure for "thighs"?


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Re: [RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Deacon Patrick]

Indeed.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:59:15 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 09/30/2014 09:45 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>  
> how much descending will work your *thought* and hamstrings because 
> you're in a constant squat over the saddle. Switch which foot is forward in 
> the 9 and 3 o'clock positions, that helps the legs on long descents.
>
>
> Is that an autocorrect failure for "thighs"?
>
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Patrick Moore]

I'm no gravel expert -- sand is more my line -- but I recall 10+ miles of
fast downhill on a very heavily washboarded, deeply gravelled, ex-logging
road in the Jemez. The Fargo was shod with 60+ mm 700C Big Apples at no
more than 20 psi, but despite standing, knees bent, on the pedals with
hands loosely gripping the hoods, some parts were so rough (and fast) that
I literally could not breath and I literally could see only a blur -- my
diaphragm and eyeballs were rattling so much. I would have gone slower, but
my brother (on much skinnier and harder 26" tires) was keeping 1/4 to 1/2
mile ahead by virtue of his downhill handling skills (and better vision)
and I wasn't going to wuss out.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Och! The hardest roads to ride are those that have just been maintained.
> Tied for first are roads that get enough traffic to get DEEP washboard,
> like the kind that swallows what feels like a third of your tire before
> spitting you out and back down to the next one. I have yet to figure those
> out other than stand and go slow and hope there is a line you can follow at
> some point. They are horrific to hit at speed.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rain Gear

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

I'm from the San Francisco bay area so I don't know if I have enough 
credibility to offer my suggestion. Nevertheless, we do have about a month 
or two of cold (almost freezing to high 40°F) rain during the winter months 
(or at least expect to have; didn't happen last season). It is also 
pertinent to state that our rain here isn't tropical-heavy. It is 
consistently light-to-moderate and light winds can be expected. I should 
also state that my regular wet-weather bike have full fenders, front and 
rear.

I too have all sorts of high-tech jackets and pants but like others have 
similarly found, it's your own sweat that'll do you in. Even the vaulted 
Showers Pass jackets with the pit zips didn't really do it for me. What I 
found works best is a bike poncho. I had a crappy semi-disposable one that 
I used as proof-of-concept and when that worked, I splurged on the 
Rivendell's Grunden  version 
(even bought the hat ).

To be clear, you'll look like a dork dressed in the "flying tent". But 
you'll be a dry dork. Most of the time, I don't even have to cover my 
Brooks saddle because the poncho keeps everything dry, even at traffic 
lights. And even though a poncho isn't airy like nothing at all, it's still 
noticeably better than any GoreTex jacket I have. You may need waterproof 
boots if you ride faster than about 10 or 12mph. I think the Rivendell 
splats  and shinguards 
 are intended as companion 
devices, but I just put on my Showers Pass pants 
 and shoe covers 
 to avoid 
diving deeper into dorkdom.

You can wear your normal clothes over all these, and it doesn't take 10 
minutes to degown from your super-hardman outfit when you're at your 
destination. As a bonus, you will also have a ready halloween costume as 
the Gorton fisherman or Paddington bear (don't ask). Don't underestimate 
this as we'll be in October tomorrow. ;)

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[RBW] Re: DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Jon in the foothills of Central Colorado]

Very nice! And you have the self satisfaction you made it yourself and it 
didn't cost you an arm and leg.
I would like to see how you attached it to your saddle also. Is that a B17 
select saddle??
On Saturday, September 27, 2014 5:12:41 PM UTC-6, jar351 wrote:

> I was pretty psyched when I bought a used Saddlesack bag from a fellow 
> poster here last weekend. My partner was not. She thinks I spend too much 
> of my very little money on bike stuff--for the record, she's right--and 
> besides that, we live in Oakland. So perhaps understandably she responded 
> to my boyish excitement with a look that said, "you *know* that's way too 
> f-ing fancy and it's *going* to get stolen." I retorted that I planned to 
> attach it to my bike with a piece of bike chain and a crap load of zip 
> ties, but still she was unfazed. Those things would not stop a thief. As 
> much as I hated to admit it she was right. That's when I decided to the 
> opposite tack: make the bag super *easy* to detach and carry. I know that 
> Riv sells a Nitto-made doohickey for just such a purpose, but come on, 
> $100? That's almost as much as I paid for the friggin bag.
>
> Anyhow, that's how I ended up making this thing:
>
>
> 
> For the record, yes, I blatantly copied the Nitto design as much as 
> possible, and took some cues from another DIYer who had made the same kind 
> of thing and posted it on Flickr. I couldn't figure out the attachment 
> mechanism of the Nitto mount from the photos on the Riv site, so I just 
> made a back plate and sandwiched the saddle rails between it and the main 
> plate that you see in the photo. Seems to work well enough so far.
>
> The body of the mount I made from aluminum flat bar, so I'm sure it's not 
> as durable as the Nitto one, which I assume is steel, but how strong does 
> this thing need to be? The tube that the QR skewer goes through is just 
> 1/2-inch PVC but I decided to wrap it in bar tape to avoid the toilet paper 
> dispenser look. 
>
> I made this in a few hours with no power tools except an ancient 
> Black&Decker drill and if you don't count the cost of the drill bits and 
> tap (which I wanted to have anyway), the whole mount cost me about $15 to 
> make. Most of that was the cost of the aluminum flat bar, of which I have 
> plenty leftover for other projects. (I already had the QR skewer from I 
> don't know where.) Anyway, it was a fun project, not just about saving a 
> little dough.
>
> More photos on Flickr: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/37784914@N02/sets/72157647694465480/
>

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[RBW] Re: Buy my 56cm Bombadil so I can get that Cheviot!

[Goshen Peter]

Bump, price drop to $1300 Shipped. Thanks!

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Goshen Peter 
wrote:

> I love my bombadil, best bike ever but every time I throw my leg over that
> top tube my lower back and hips hate me, add the kid on the back and
> blergh. Long story short I have my mb2 and its a tad too small but good for
> offroady stuff. So for sale now, hoping to get in on the green Cheviots is
> my 56cm Bombadil, double TT, old style, new paint, included is the Paul
> Brakes (Neo front, touring rear), needleblastr headset and 113 phil bb if
> that fits buyers needs. Was looking for about 1400 shipped but can talk.  I
> will also have the wheelset from this bike FS if the bike sells, Rich built
> lx rear, Longleaf built shimano dynamo front. My Flikr page is crowded with
> family stuff but will clean it up soon. Email me any questions, thanks!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/8615933161/
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Re: [RBW] DIY Saddlebag Quick-Release

[Tim McNamara]

Mounting saddle bags continues to be rather vexations if one wishes to 
eliminate sway and having the bag rub against the back of one's thighs.

I used to be able to find a bunch of clever DIY options searching the web but 
now there's so much clutter from search engines that it's hard to find what you 
want.  A friend of Jobst Brandt made brackets similar to the Nitto one but with 
a pull-pin instead of a bike QR, but it didn't provide a handle like the Nitto 
does.  Later he used a boom arm that looked like a tandem stoker stem with a 
T-shaped mount at the end for the saddle straps and the seatpost strap.  

BTW, for marginally better security one could use an Allen bolt style skewer 
instead of a QR.

Here are some options:

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-035/000.html

which accidentally led to the interesting (assuming the subjects get some of 
the cash):

http://www.bicycleportraits.co.za/

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 64cm

[Greggv]

Sorry for the late reply...been traveling. I'm 6'4 and my PBH is 95cm and 
this frame is a bit small for me. I just picked up a 68cm  Riv Rambouillet 
which is a much better fit for me. Just had someone look at it with a 85cm 
and the top bar just barely hit his PB. He's 6'2 with short legs. He's 
interested but wants to sleep on it. Your PBH should work just fine. 

On Monday, September 29, 2014 6:14:16 AM UTC-7, Rusty Click wrote:
>
> That's a beautiful bike!  Quite possibly my dream bike, and the one I 
> wanted before I bought my S. Hillborne a few years back.  Very 
> temptedh
>
> I am, or used to be 6'1", with a 91-91.5 PBH.  I wonder if the 64 is the 
> size Riv would put me on.  What is your PBH, and how was the fit for you?
>
>
> Rusty-(trying not to tempt myself)
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, September 26, 2014 1:29:05 PM UTC-4, Gregg V. wrote:
>>
>> I'm selling my Rivendell Atlantis 64cm Custom Joe Bell Paint Job. Never 
>> toured with just road around town. Looks like new. Paint has about three 
>> very small pin head size nicks around top of fork crown (see photos) Very 
>> small amount of chain rub near chainring. Everything like new. I thought 
>> I'd tour with it butJust picked up another Riv more in my size 68cm. 
>> It's in perfect shape. 
>>
>> Here's a list of what's on the bike:
>>
>> Sugino XD2 Triple 46x36x24 with 175mm Crank Arms (Pedals Not Included In 
>> Sell)
>> Tektro Cantilever with new Kool Stop Salmon Pads
>> New 9 Speed Cassette
>> Nitto Tallux Stem and Riser 13cm
>> Nitto Albatross Handle Bars
>> Shimano Brake Levers
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar Ends
>> New Chain
>> Nitto 83 Seat Post (Brooks Saddle Not Included In Sell)
>> SKS/ESGE Longboard Silver Fender P65
>> Almost New Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700cx50 (less than 100 miles)
>> Velocity Synergy 36h Front and Rear Rims Hand Build by Rich Lesnik
>> Shimano XT Front Hub
>> Shimano LX Rear Hub
>> Nitto Front and Rear Campee Racks
>> Shimano XT Rear Derailleur
>> Shimano 105 Front Derailleur
>>
>> Price: $2800.00
>> Text me with questions. 480-652-3199
>> Will ship. Buyer to pay for packing and actual shipping charges. I'm in 
>> northern San Diego
>> This Atlantis looks new and rides like a dream
>> More photo's here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/68919265@N06/
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Fred Matheny roadbikerider.com Compass tire review...on a Roadeo!

[Wildcat96]

Sorry to take this post further off topic, but regarding goatheads, I recently 
inadvertantly road my Sam through a nasty patch and picked up at least 20 in 
each Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tire and have yet to have a flat.  The longest 
thorns were maybe 3cm. Needless to say, I am continually impressed by how 
though these tires are! I can remember riding the same area as a kid and having 
to use tuffy liners and slime in my bmx tires as I was continually getting 
flats.  I just put the Compass extralight Stampedes on my RB-T and am not sure 
I would try the same,though they do ride nice!

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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis 64cm

[Greggv]

The 50mm Supremes are awesome. I love them! Had Big Ben's on before but the 
Supremes are a dream to ride on!!

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:51:30 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> That is a gorgeous, gorgeous bike! Just love it! 
>
> Any comments on the 50mm Supremes? I like those tires a lot, and now that 
> they're in a full-sized model, they sound great!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Gregg V.  > wrote:
>
>> I'm selling my Rivendell Atlantis 64cm Custom Joe Bell Paint Job. Never 
>> toured with just road around town. Looks like new. Paint has about three 
>> very small pin head size nicks around top of fork crown (see photos) Very 
>> small amount of chain rub near chainring. Everything like new. I thought 
>> I'd tour with it butJust picked up another Riv more in my size 68cm. 
>> It's in perfect shape. 
>>
>> Here's a list of what's on the bike:
>>
>> Sugino XD2 Triple 46x36x24 with 175mm Crank Arms (Pedals Not Included In 
>> Sell)
>> Tektro Cantilever with new Kool Stop Salmon Pads
>> New 9 Speed Cassette
>> Nitto Tallux Stem and Riser 13cm
>> Nitto Albatross Handle Bars
>> Shimano Brake Levers
>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar Ends
>> New Chain
>> Nitto 83 Seat Post (Brooks Saddle Not Included In Sell)
>> SKS/ESGE Longboard Silver Fender P65
>> Almost New Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700cx50 (less than 100 miles)
>> Velocity Synergy 36h Front and Rear Rims Hand Build by Rich Lesnik
>> Shimano XT Front Hub
>> Shimano LX Rear Hub
>> Nitto Front and Rear Campee Racks
>> Shimano XT Rear Derailleur
>> Shimano 105 Front Derailleur
>>
>> Price: $2800.00
>> Text me with questions. 480-652-3199
>> Will ship. Buyer to pay for packing and actual shipping charges. I'm in 
>> northern San Diego
>> This Atlantis looks new and rides like a dream
>> More photo's here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/68919265@N06/
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis 64cm

[cyclotourist]

Cool, I expected as much! I didn't know they were offered in that size till
recently, and thought they sound great. Any ideas on what their actual
measurement is on the bike?

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal




On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Greggv  wrote:

> The 50mm Supremes are awesome. I love them! Had Big Ben's on before but
> the Supremes are a dream to ride on!!
>
> On Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:51:30 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> That is a gorgeous, gorgeous bike! Just love it!
>>
>> Any comments on the 50mm Supremes? I like those tires a lot, and now that
>> they're in a full-sized model, they sound great!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Gregg V.  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm selling my Rivendell Atlantis 64cm Custom Joe Bell Paint Job. Never
>>> toured with just road around town. Looks like new. Paint has about three
>>> very small pin head size nicks around top of fork crown (see photos) Very
>>> small amount of chain rub near chainring. Everything like new. I thought
>>> I'd tour with it butJust picked up another Riv more in my size 68cm.
>>> It's in perfect shape.
>>>
>>> Here's a list of what's on the bike:
>>>
>>> Sugino XD2 Triple 46x36x24 with 175mm Crank Arms (Pedals Not Included In
>>> Sell)
>>> Tektro Cantilever with new Kool Stop Salmon Pads
>>> New 9 Speed Cassette
>>> Nitto Tallux Stem and Riser 13cm
>>> Nitto Albatross Handle Bars
>>> Shimano Brake Levers
>>> Shimano Dura Ace 9 Speed Bar Ends
>>> New Chain
>>> Nitto 83 Seat Post (Brooks Saddle Not Included In Sell)
>>> SKS/ESGE Longboard Silver Fender P65
>>> Almost New Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700cx50 (less than 100 miles)
>>> Velocity Synergy 36h Front and Rear Rims Hand Build by Rich Lesnik
>>> Shimano XT Front Hub
>>> Shimano LX Rear Hub
>>> Nitto Front and Rear Campee Racks
>>> Shimano XT Rear Derailleur
>>> Shimano 105 Front Derailleur
>>>
>>> Price: $2800.00
>>> Text me with questions. 480-652-3199
>>> Will ship. Buyer to pay for packing and actual shipping charges. I'm in
>>> northern San Diego
>>> This Atlantis looks new and rides like a dream
>>> More photo's here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/68919265@N06/
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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