[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't think the Hunq was built around Bosco bars. I'm pretty sure it had been 
in production at least a couple of years before Riv came out with the Bosco 
bars. At least I seem to remember it that way.

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[RBW] Re: Finished Sam Hillborne build

[Zach Duval]

Thanks all for the kind words. 

The pump is in fact a Silca Impero, without the Campy head, but free 
(found amidst miscellaneous rubble in basement storage at the LBS I work 
at). Doesn't hit high pressure but will fill a tube enough to get me where 
I can top 'er off.

The saddle is actually an antique brown Brooks Select with about a year's 
use on it, and the handlebar tape is three coats amber shellac over yellow 
VO comfy cotton. Great combo but not quite as equal as this picture would 
imply.

I look forward to many years and many combinations of build on this 
bicycle. Truly a great machine, and so darn pretty.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 9:41:07 AM UTC-6, John wrote:

> Is it a Silca Impero?
>
> John
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[RBW] Chainring Width Question

[David Banzer]

I bought T. Durant's remaining lot of Willow chainrings a while back. NOTE: 
this is not a promotional post, merely an inquiry.

I've been contacted by quite a few folks asking what speed chains will work 
with these. Particularly, I have the question of whether 10-speed-Narrow 
Campy will work. 
Personally, I've stuck to 9-speed at the most.
Chainrings I have were sold by Riv at some point, so there's the RBW-OB 
content.

Main question: At what point does 3/32" (internal chain width) chainring 
width NOT work with certain systems?

Indulge my stupidity with kindly worded responses.

Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hub Area Rack, Mustache Bars, Shifters

[Michael Ullmer]

Hi Mike, I've been a bit busy with my graduation this weekend so haven't
caught up with e-mails. I have one other buyer interested who e-mailed
first and I'm checking in with him. Are you still interested? I'll let you
know if it's still available once I hear back from the other buyer.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Michael, did you get my email about the HAR?  Since these private replies
> don't show up in my Sent folder, I always wonder.
> Michael
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 10:23:44 PM UTC-4, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>> Bar end shifters are sold, everything else still available!
>>
>> On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 9:11:38 PM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a few items for sale, some things have been switched around on
>>> some bikes. I'm also trying to fund my first riv frame purchase! If anyone
>>> has a 58cm Riv frame, Atlantis, Hillborne, Hungapillar, etc lets talk.
>>> Anyways:
>>>
>>> Nitto Hub Area Rack - $110 shipped CONUS - This is the first version
>>> they produced without the hoop option. On the upside, if you pair this with
>>> a Marks's rack you can connect the two and make it all a bit more rigid.
>>> This is what I did when I used it. I've since moved to a 34f Front Rack
>>> (Thanks Hugh!).
>>>
>>> Nitto Mustache Bars - $50 shipped CONUS - In fine condition, a few
>>> scuffs but overall fine. 26.0 clamp.
>>>
>>> Deore XT 6-speed Thumb Shifters - $30 shipped CONUS - One of the barrel
>>> adjusters was replaced with a suntour barrel adjuster, I might have another
>>> suntour barrel adjuster in my parts bin if you want them to match. Shifters
>>> work great in both friction and index mode.
>>>
>>> Shimano 8-speed Bar End Shifters - $35 shipped CONUS - The indexing on
>>> these is broken, so they only work in index mode. The plastic cover on one
>>> of them is cracked too. I replaced these with suntour barcons on my wife's
>>> bike.
>>>
>>> If anything seems unreasonable, I'm open to offers.
>>>
>>> Photos here:
>>>
>>> https://goo.gl/photos/9kMaLPiz5Zq9V4sE8
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[dougP]

"I can't imagine anyone regretting a choice between the two, though; 
they're both wondrous bicycles"

>From someone who is in a great position to offer a comparison.  Well said, 
Shawn.  And another testament to the versatility of a Rivendell.  Your 
Atlantis is your joyride bike.  Mine always has at least a rear rack plus 
front bag plus generally weight un-conscious components.  There are 
probably Hunqs out there set-up as joyride bikes, and people loving them in 
that guise.

dougP

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:48 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote:
>
> I have both bikes. My Hunqapillar is a 54 with 700C wheels, the Atlantis 
> is a 56 with 26" wheels. The Hunq is set up with racks, fenders, 
> dyno/lights, and boscos. The Atlantis is minimal by comparison; drop bars, 
> downtube shifters, no racks, no fenders, no dyno, but a pretty nice set of 
> 90s era White Industries hubs. There are SO many differences in the setup 
> that it's not super meaningful to compare the two. Sure, as FRAMESETS 
> there's a lot of mission overlap; but as they're set up in the real world, 
> they are fundamentally different bikes. I use the Atlantis for joyriding, 
> and the Hunq for everything (commuting, errands, camping, touringAND 
> joyriding). The Atlantis handles much quicker than the Hunq. Shorter 
> chainstays? Maybe, but it might be just a simple case of being lighter. I 
> can't imagine anyone regretting a choice between the two, though; they're 
> both wondrous bicycles.
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 6:21:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.  48 mm for a 26" wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26" wheeled 
>> Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
>>> than the Alantis (26). Shok 
>>> Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS- Rivendell Reader and Bicycle Quarterly collections

[M D Smith]

I am moving to New York City in a few weeks and need to downsize. I want to 
pass along my collection of Rivendell Readers, catalogs, and flyers and 
(Vintage) Bicycle Quarterlies. I want to offer them up to the list before 
resorting to eBay...

Rivendell Collection:

Rivendell Readers- numbers 11 to 43, except for 12,27, & 32. 
15 Rivendell catalogs- number 5 (1999) to 2006.
Various holiday, summer, and new bike flyers, including the Atlantis, Romulus, 
and Rambouillet brochures. 

These have been read over and over and have the beausage to prove it. All are 
still plenty readable. One of the color cover ones is a bit mangled from the 
PO.  Decent used condition for pulp paper that has existed for up to 15 years. 

How's about 50 bucks, media mail postage included. (The box weighs about 12# so 
any other method might get expensive.)


Vintage Bicycle Quarterly/Bicycle Quarterly Collection:

28 VBQ/BQ issues. The first 28 issues inclusive. Vol 1 #1 through Vol 4 #4 are 
VBQ, Vol 5 #1 through Sum 09 are Bicycle Quarterly. Again, used/read condition. 
Better paper than the Readers, and the condition reflects that. 

Pristine back issues are still available at $9.75 a pop. For these I'm thinking 
$90 shipped. That works out to about 3 bucks an issue plus media mail postage. 

Please contact me off list at beewak -at- gmail- com if interested.

Cheers- Mike in Htfd, CT, soon to hail from Bkln, NY

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[shawn m.]

I have both bikes. My Hunqapillar is a 54 with 700C wheels, the Atlantis is 
a 56 with 26" wheels. The Hunq is set up with racks, fenders, dyno/lights, 
and boscos. The Atlantis is minimal by comparison; drop bars, downtube 
shifters, no racks, no fenders, no dyno, but a pretty nice set of 90s era 
White Industries hubs. There are SO many differences in the setup that it's 
not super meaningful to compare the two. Sure, as FRAMESETS there's a lot 
of mission overlap; but as they're set up in the real world, they are 
fundamentally different bikes. I use the Atlantis for joyriding, and the 
Hunq for everything (commuting, errands, camping, touringAND 
joyriding). The Atlantis handles much quicker than the Hunq. Shorter 
chainstays? Maybe, but it might be just a simple case of being lighter. I 
can't imagine anyone regretting a choice between the two, though; they're 
both wondrous bicycles.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 6:21:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting.  48 mm for a 26" wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26" wheeled 
> Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
>> than the Alantis (26). Shok 
>> Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would guess the differences are just representations of Grant's evolving 
preferences in bike design.  I get the impression that the Atlantis is a 
sort of "legacy" model that, while still being a great bike, is kept around 
for nostalgia reasons.  I'm pretty sure I've read statements to the effect 
that the Hunqapillar is the next evolutionary step, from the Atlantis, in a 
touring bike.  



On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 8:21:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting.  48 mm for a 26" wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26" wheeled 
> Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
>> than the Alantis (26). Shok 
>> Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Will]

No. 7 mm is about 1/4 inch. So nothing dramatic. It's probably to do with 
how the lugs align or how the machines cut tube. 

The real deal is that the cockpit is slightly longer and that probably 
speaks to spec'ing Boscos. And the chainstays are slighly longer and that 
happens when you need to keep rider weight in the middle of the frame 
(given longer top tube and spec'ing Boscos). I think this bike is built 
around the bars. 

Will 

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 8:21:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Interesting.  48 mm for a 26" wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26" wheeled 
> Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
>> than the Alantis (26). Shok 
>> Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fat 650b Tire Redwood!

[David Banzer]

Yep, Tektro long reach brakes. FWIW, it does fit actual 36mm 700c tires, no 
fenders, so not exactly skinny tires. I just got greedy and wanted fenders, 
which will come shortly.
David
Chicago

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 12:25:17 PM UTC-5, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Good one! I remember seeing FS posts for Redwoods and not even considering 
> them because of the skinny tyre limitation. Looks like you got around it. I 
> can't make out the brakes in your photo, are they just black Tektros?
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[dougP]

Interesting.  48 mm for a 26" wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26" wheeled 
Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

dougP

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop than 
> the Alantis (26). Shok 
> Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?

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[RBW] Re: WTT 62cm Hunq for 58cm

[Mike Shaljian]

Whelp I'm 6'3 with a 97 cm PBH and I wish I had bought a 68 Quickbeam instead 
of the 64 I did get. Youthful inexperience had caused large frame phobia. . . 
but yeah 66 isn't that huge!

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[RBW] Re: 7 speed Front Derailleur recommendations

[Matthew J]

I've not seen them around lately, so I take Campy no longer makes those 
wonderful 3 ring front ders Riv used to sell?  If so, mores the shame. 
 Those things were perfect.

I have been using Wipperman 9 speed chains on my road bike with a 5 speed 
freewheel.  Nice looking, high quality chain.  Wipperman master links are 
the best.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 4:04:54 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote: 
>
>
>   Oh yeah . . . . you could try a 9 speed chain too.  A 7/8 sp. chain is 
> 7.1mm wide externally , the 9 is 6.6-6.8mm wide depending on brand . 
>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks C17 Natural

['Norman Bone' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Brooks C17. Natural. Purchased new from Riv. Mounted and ridden 30 miles and 
removed. No clamp marks. Essentially still brand new. My butt prefers the B17. 
$140+shipping. I can email you a pic if you want.

Norm in PDX

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Re: [RBW] FS: Testing local waters for complete bike sale of 59c Bleriot

[Dave Brandt]

Ray, 
If it's in good shape I'll take it tonight. Brandt (415)699-0976

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[RBW] Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Philip Kim]

Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop than the 
Alantis (26). Shok
Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?

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Re: [RBW] FS: Testing local waters for complete bike sale of 59c Bleriot

[Ray Shine]

Well, as people are pointing out, the photo I thought I pasted in has not 
appeared in the message! Hnmmm, i will need to approach differently when we get 
home. Sorry all.

Sent from my iPhone.

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:36 PM, r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder if there is any local SF Bay Area  interest in my 59c Bleriot as 
> seen in this photo?  I will sell it as seen here for $850.  If there are no 
> local Rivvers interested, then I will most likely break it down and part it 
> out.  Briefly, it has Jitensha bars, cork grips, Sun Tour stem shifters, 
> V-Brand Keven's style  saddlebag, old set of Honsho fenders and Brooks B17S 
> (Women's model, but I like it for upright riding).
> 
> If interested in local sale as you see it here, email me at 
> r.sh...@sbcglobal.net.
> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Testing local waters for complete bike sale of 59c Bleriot

[Patrick Moore]

"Tiny URL", man!

Patrick Moore, who would like to see a photo.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:36 PM,  wrote:

>
> I wonder if there is any local SF Bay Area  interest in my 59c Bleriot as
> seen in this photo?  I will sell it as seen here for $850.  If there are no
> local Rivvers interested, then I will most likely break it down and part it
> out.  Briefly, it has Jitensha bars, cork grips, Sun Tour stem shifters,
> V-Brand Keven's style  saddlebag, old set of Honsho fenders and Brooks B17S
> (Women's model, but I like it for upright riding).
>
> If interested in local sale as you see it here, email me at
> r.sh...@sbcglobal.net.
>
>
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[RBW] FS: RBW/MUSA shorts, RBW/MUSA knickers, Minus33 wool shirts

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

$5 price drop per item
after another week or two I'll find the clothes other homes

PM if interested

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: 7 speed Front Derailleur recommendations

[Garth]

  Oh yeah . . . . you could try a 9 speed chain too.  A 7/8 sp. chain is 
7.1mm wide externally , the 9 is 6.6-6.8mm wide depending on brand . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/13/2015 02:56 AM, olofst...@gmail.com wrote:

I started to ride intensively at age 5 and have never stopped (now 72). Didn´t 
meet retention until over 30. I´m a natural spinner and rides both roads and 
trails. On flat rubber pedals, never got enamoured by retention. This comes 
very natural and effortless. Can´t remember when a foot slipped.

May it be that your brain over time grews connections to cope effectively with 
the system you´re using and that changing system can feel strange and 
inefficient for a long time, maybe years, until the new system literally grows 
on you?


I rode flat rubber pedals when I was a kid.

When I first got a derailleur bike in 1964 it had toe clips and straps.  
I rode with clips and straps for well over 20 years and then switched to 
clipless: first, Mavic Look-alikes with float, then SPDs.  It's been 
around 24 years with clipless.


I used retentionless pedals on my commuters for 15 years - first rubber 
3-speed Raleigh pedals for 5 years, then MTB style that look like a bear 
trap for 10.  I still bear scars from the raking those bear traps gave 
my shin one time when I kicked the pedal around a bit too 
enthusiastically, never having noticed that the occasional grounding on 
a sharp climbing 180 degree turn on the bike trail had sharpened them.  
So in 1995 I gave them up, and didn't try retentionless pedals again 
until 4 or 5 years ago.


So, for me, lots and lots of experience with both types, and lots of 
disappointment with those BMX flatties Grant was so enthusiastic about 
when he was selling them.


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Re: [RBW] 7 speed Front Derailleur recommendations

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/12/2015 10:57 PM, drew wrote:

Does this mean I can run an 8 speed chain with a 7 speed cassette with no ill 
effect?



You not only can, you must.  7 speed chains are no more.  They've been 
calling what used to be the 8 speed chain "7/8 speed" for many years now.



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[RBW] Re: Joy of Wrenching

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rivendell's videos are among the best I've seen for learning bike 
mechanics.  Replacing a bottom bracket is as easy as that video makes it 
look, if you have the right tools.  

I still have trouble adjusting V-brakes (I won't even touch traditional 
cantis).  I can get them installed, get everything balanced but I can't set 
the distance from the rim to save my life.  I suspect that if I would just 
invest in the 4th hand tool, I could probably do it pretty well.  Doing by 
hand just isn't working for me.  I also don't mess with headset cups.  I 
won't try the screwdriver/hammer method and I don't want to spend the 
relatively big bucks the tools would cost.  Everything else on a bike, I've 
done.  I get some satisfaction out of it but I can't really say I enjoy it. 
 It's just that I have several partial bikes and I'm constantly juggling 
parts between them so doing it myself is a must.  I don't have the money or 
the time for an LBS to do it. 



On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 4:20:57 PM UTC-5, Evan E. wrote:
>
> I, too, like wrenching. But for a few tasks, such as changing a headset or 
> replacing a bottom bracket, I don't have the tools or the skills. It's be 
> awesome if the more skilled wrenches on this list could offer to help the 
> less skilled among us. Imagine a list of volunteers, organized by city? 
> They could maybe trade their labor for Riv gift certificates, or beer, or 
> Paleo chocolate . . . 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: xsmall GRID grey saddlesack, Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, Tektro TRP levers, Nitto B132 Rando bar,

[cbone97]

Saddlesack is sold.

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

I see that now..Thanks!
Jon

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 9:40:25 AM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:

> If you look on their website, under accessories you will see an adapter 
> for fenders $13 each.
>
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>
>> The 1UP looks like a nice unit. I watched the video but didn't see them 
>> install or remove a bike. I'd like to know if it would work with fenders 
>> and or basket.
>> I have fork mounts on the front wall of my pick-up bed but the front rack 
>> and basket negate using that.
>> For now I just lay my bike down in the bed of my pick-up and bungee it 
>> and wrap towels around the Brooks and where the handlebars touch the bed.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:59 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>>
>>> Yea, the site is pretty clunky. i also thought they were spendy till I 
>>> started looking at the other offerings. For me, it ended up being a wash 
>>> because I only needed to carry one bike, but it had to be a tray style. 
>>> Every other offering was 2 or more bikes and cost equal or more even with 
>>> my shop discount! I actually became aware of them from another parent at my 
>>> daughters school. I kept seeing their car with the rack on it, and honestly 
>>> thought it was custom made. I finally waited by their car one day to ask 
>>> them about it. (Is that creepy?) They were totally happy to chat about it 
>>> and gave me a full demo taking their bike on and off, and the rack on and 
>>> off. I was sold and frankly amazed they are not more prevalent. 
>>>
>>> The 1UP not only ticked my known requirements, but surprised me with 
>>> some I didn't know. It fits very close to the car when the tray is in use 
>>> and pivots up even closer when empty. I LOVE that it can be removed in 
>>> seconds, folded, and stowed in my tiny hatchback trunk when not in use. 
>>> Although my need is one bike at the moment, being modular, I can add two 
>>> more trays if need be. It's also extremely stout with nary a wiggle from 
>>> the bike once locked in. On top of all that, it looks like it should have 
>>> "paul" machined into it someplace. It's the new retro of hitch racks. 
>>>
>>> For the record, I have no affiliation with these guys and paid full 
>>> retail. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Price Reduced for Betty Foy

[Abcyclehank]

No longer listed on eBay.  Someone got a great bike from an even better person. 
 Sorry I missed out on this for my daughter.  I was to busy finally landing a 
68cm Atlantis to grab both.

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: INVISIBLE LIFE PAINT GLOWS IN THE DARK

[Richard]

"Don’t make bicyclists more visible. Make drivers stop hitting them".

"Mandatory helmet laws and glow-in-the-dark spray paint just show who really 
owns the roads"



The Bike Snob retort is a good read. Always entertaining anyway. Face it, 
cyclists are second class citizens on our public roads. Many times I've ridden 
on a busy road, in the debris and glass, with the cars whizzing by, and thought 
"I don't belong here!". I'm a stranger in a strange land. Our public roads have 
been stolen from us, he says, and he's right.

Not that I'm anti-car, I own two of them. I love the mobility that car travel 
allows. It's just that cars are overused. People drive when they should be 
walking or biking. The bike industry doesn't help by promoting  bikes that 
can't carry 
squat, are uncomfortable to ride, and required special shoes to pedal. To say 
nothing of manadory helmut laws and now spray paint to cover yourself with.

Kudos to Volvo though for developing and giving away the spray paint. Better 
get a case of it though because it only lasts a week. I hope it saves a few 
lives.

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[RBW] Re: Fat 650b Tire Redwood!

[WETH]

That's a nice looking bike, too!

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[RBW] Re: Fat 650b Tire Redwood!

[Tom Harrop]

Good one! I remember seeing FS posts for Redwoods and not even considering 
them because of the skinny tyre limitation. Looks like you got around it. I 
can't make out the brakes in your photo, are they just black Tektros?

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[RBW] Re: Finished Sam Hillborne build

[John]

Is it a Silca Impero?

John

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[Michael Hechmer]

If you look on their website, under accessories you will see an adapter for 
fenders $13 each.

Michael

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:
>
> The 1UP looks like a nice unit. I watched the video but didn't see them 
> install or remove a bike. I'd like to know if it would work with fenders 
> and or basket.
> I have fork mounts on the front wall of my pick-up bed but the front rack 
> and basket negate using that.
> For now I just lay my bike down in the bed of my pick-up and bungee it and 
> wrap towels around the Brooks and where the handlebars touch the bed.
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:59 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
>> Yea, the site is pretty clunky. i also thought they were spendy till I 
>> started looking at the other offerings. For me, it ended up being a wash 
>> because I only needed to carry one bike, but it had to be a tray style. 
>> Every other offering was 2 or more bikes and cost equal or more even with 
>> my shop discount! I actually became aware of them from another parent at my 
>> daughters school. I kept seeing their car with the rack on it, and honestly 
>> thought it was custom made. I finally waited by their car one day to ask 
>> them about it. (Is that creepy?) They were totally happy to chat about it 
>> and gave me a full demo taking their bike on and off, and the rack on and 
>> off. I was sold and frankly amazed they are not more prevalent. 
>>
>> The 1UP not only ticked my known requirements, but surprised me with some 
>> I didn't know. It fits very close to the car when the tray is in use and 
>> pivots up even closer when empty. I LOVE that it can be removed in seconds, 
>> folded, and stowed in my tiny hatchback trunk when not in use. Although my 
>> need is one bike at the moment, being modular, I can add two more trays if 
>> need be. It's also extremely stout with nary a wiggle from the bike once 
>> locked in. On top of all that, it looks like it should have "paul" machined 
>> into it someplace. It's the new retro of hitch racks. 
>>
>> For the record, I have no affiliation with these guys and paid full 
>> retail. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[KC]

I started a similar thread about a month ago when we needed to purchase a 
new bike and I wanted a platform as my hanging one seemed to be killing my 
mixte.  We were concerned with both a mixte and fenders.  The 1up was 
highly recommended to me and confirmed that it was fine with fenders Here's 
the comment re that sent to me off-list "I have fenders on my Surly Long 
Haul Trucker and I bought the foam pad thingy 1Up makes for a few extra 
dollars which works very well and doesn’t crush the fender. I did notice 
that on the back fender that the struts (the arms that straddle the wheel) 
actually touch the fender struts which connect it to the back stays - at 
first I was a bit worried about bending them & then I realized that if 
anything, it kept the bike more securely upright in the rack, without me 
needing to “clamp” the fender/wheel as hard, and that it had no ill effects 
on the fender alignment."

I really liked everything I saw about the 1up, but we ended up going with 
the Hollywood Rack instead (also recommended in the thread).  It was about 
half the cost and seemed fine, even if not quite as substantial.  The 
initial install was pretty easy - you have to set the platforms in the 
proper positions for the specific bikes and that takes a couple of 
minutes.  For $350 we got the carrier that works either as a 2-bike carrier 
or adds the extension to make it a 4-bike.  To this point we've only used 
it for the 2 and haven't even attached the extension.  It loads so fast it 
is amazing.  As a non-tall woman I love that I can easily lift my bike 
on/off and that it puts things at eye level.  

The bar is nicely padded and clamps on the top tube of the bike and on my 
mixte it nestles perfectly where it meats the seat tube.  The instructions 
are to place the bikes opposite one another but when we did that, there was 
some slight interference and we put them the same direction instead of 
messing with seats, etc.  And it worked perfectly.  Both are very 
secure.  It is a little concerning that the tires extend through 
the platform so I have visions of crunching my bike if the tires hit on an 
incline.  But it is very clear that the bottom of the carrier will hit 
first since the platforms sit up higher, so I know they are safe.  We are 
able to keep the rack on all the time and tilt it for access to the back of 
the car, not quite as nice as the swing-away hanging rack we had before, 
but not bad.  And it is so easy to unload/load the bikes that even if we 
have to remove them to do something (like pull a kayak off roof), it's not 
a big deal.

We tow our jeep behind an rv with the rack mounted to the jeep.  The 
instructions say not to use it for a tow vehicle or on a trailer, but it 
seems to be just fine and it seems like a standard thing with all the racks 
and we've always done it w/o problems.  So just hoping it is just a 
standard disclaimer which must be related to the added length affecting how 
it handles on an incline but we have to be careful of that already (the 
hitch between the rv and car would likely hit so we'd be forewarned) 

Here's a picture attached) of our 2 bikes on it the first time we used it.  
Not sure it's the greatest picture but could take better on Mon/Tues when 
we load up for our big trip.  We will also probably be putting the added 
attachment on at that time so we have the flexibility to carry other bikes 
with us since it's a group trip.  
  
(We had also considered the Kuat since it seemed great, but never had an 
opportunity to see one and it was very pricey also.  Saw one week before 
last in a parking lot and it is a beautiful, sturdy-looking frame.  Looks 
much more substantial than ours, but we are completely happy with our 
purchase) 

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:28:40 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:

> The 1UP looks like a nice unit. I watched the video but didn't see them 
> install or remove a bike. I'd like to know if it would work with fenders 
> and or basket.
> I have fork mounts on the front wall of my pick-up bed but the front rack 
> and basket negate using that.
> For now I just lay my bike down in the bed of my pick-up and bungee it and 
> wrap towels around the Brooks and where the handlebars touch the bed.
>
> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:59 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
>> Yea, the site is pretty clunky. i also thought they were spendy till I 
>> started looking at the other offerings. For me, it ended up being a wash 
>> because I only needed to carry one bike, but it had to be a tray style. 
>> Every other offering was 2 or more bikes and cost equal or more even with 
>> my shop discount! I actually became aware of them from another parent at my 
>> daughters school. I kept seeing their car with the rack on it, and honestly 
>> thought it was custom made. I finally waited by their car one day to ask 
>> them about it. (Is that creepy?) They were totally happy to chat about it 
>> and gave me a full demo t

[RBW] Fat 650b Tire Redwood!

[David Banzer]

Took a chance and tried out Vee Rubber Speedsters on my Redwood conversion. 
They're running about 47mm true width.
They fit! With room for fenders!
Chainstay clearance is a little tight due to the dimpling for 700c tires, 
might look into adding some dimpling if it becomes an issue, so far it 
isn't.

Photos here:
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/Rivendell%20Redwood/643255E1-680F-4D71-831C-0123F148BC98_zpsuqwayodd.jpg

David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joy of Wrenching

[Surlyprof]

+1 on Crawford's book.  If anyone wants a preview, I often assign this 
reading in 
class: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24labor-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0. 
 It was in the NY Times Sunday Magazine section when his book came out. 
 I'm also enjoying Richard Sennett's book, "The Craftsman".  Very 
interesting look at doing work well for the sake of the work.  Probably 
resonate with a lot of people in this group.  Of course, when I get too 
detached from Christopher's point, re-reading "Zen and the Art of 
Motorcycle Maintenance" is always a good reset switch.

Back to the garage for some re-humanizing...
John

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 3:58:38 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Funny. I am an impatient perfectionist, and this has obvious psychological 
> disadvantages. I want my bikes to be perfect; yet I hate the hassle of that 
> sort of plodding methodicalness that is an essential requirement of 
> technical perfection. Fixed gear setups help, but my satisfaction in 
> mechanical perfection is always tainted by irritation at the innumerable 
> obstacles posed by materiality.
>
> Hum.
>
> Today, work being slack, I undertook the rehabilitation of my next door 
> neighbor's ancient and replaced gas grill (I live a spit from our bosque, 
> and a charcoal grill, I fear, would lead to the conflagration of the 
> century). 
>
> Ashes and cinders; grease and oil; hardening and caking. This $100 gas 
> grill had all of these in spades, and even though I decided against using 
> caustic solvents, levying the power of scrapers, bushes, and garden trowel, 
> I ended up with, literally, 2 gallons of carbonated, ex-organic fatty 
> substances removed from the works. I fashioned a new flame disperser* from 
> 2 sections of tin can**; replaced the side shelving with miscellaneous 
> lumber; confected a new hatch handle; bought a canister of propane; and lo 
> and behold, i am now ready to grill like any suburban peritus.
>
> Point being, that actually usable results that result from one's own 
> material and imaginative intervention are, not only very pleasing, but in 
> some way, of the very essence of pleasure. Aside: Matthew Crawford's *Shop 
> Class as Soul Craft* is a very worthwhile meditation on the things raised 
> by this thread. Crawford is a good, pre-Christian Aristotelian, btw.
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Mark Reimer  > wrote:
>
>> So true. It seems I'm constantly changing something on my bikes. Fenders 
>> on, fenders off. Three pairs of tires in a month. I wonder how the bike 
>> would handle if I swapped out X/Y/Z... 
>>
>> I do the same thing with old motorcycles. Seems I'm constantly 
>> elbows-deep into them. Last night in the shop, my Dad walks in and asks 
>> what I'd estimate the ratio is of the time I spend wrenching on them to 
>> riding. Clearly he didn't understand :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 1:27:17 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Glad you found some time to work on your Hilsen, I bet you can't wait to 
>>> start building your freshly painted travel Hilsen! I can't wait to see that 
>>> build. Just a winning color my friend!!
>>>
>>> Currently, I'm redoing both cockpits on my Hilsen & Atlantis, just 
>>> finished wrapping the Albastache bars on the Hilsen after installing a 8cm 
>>> Dirt Drop Stem. I rode it for about two weeks to make sure this was the 
>>> right decision. Today I'll be cleaning the Drive train. The Atlantis got a 
>>> new 10cm Tallux stem for the win! Today it gets new bar end shifters and a 
>>> rear dynamo light. I'm hoping that these changes will last a really long 
>>> time and I can just focus on lots of riding. Other smaller projects on the 
>>> distant horizon to tinker/wrench on.
>>>
>>> Oh and I'm installing a Mark's rack on the Wife's Betty.
>>>
>>> When my wife looks in on me tinkering on the bikes in the garage she 
>>> smiles and declares "your pretty content"  and she's right! Working on 
>>> bikes I get my Zen on.
>>>
>>> Doug, I was wondering what all that noise was coming from yer Atlantis? 
>>> Silent or smooth drive train is the bee's knees! 15K on your cassette well 
>>> done Sir. 
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 8:34:49 AM UTC-7, Chris Chen wrote:

 Life has been crazy for a while, and I haven't had the chance to work 
 on the bikes in a few months. Just remembering to lube the chain requires 
 forethought. Tonight I finally started "fixing" my Hilsen with new brakes, 
 saddle, and cockpit. It felt so good.

 Here's hoping you find time in your life for a little soul maintenance

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

The 1UP looks like a nice unit. I watched the video but didn't see them 
install or remove a bike. I'd like to know if it would work with fenders 
and or basket.
I have fork mounts on the front wall of my pick-up bed but the front rack 
and basket negate using that.
For now I just lay my bike down in the bed of my pick-up and bungee it and 
wrap towels around the Brooks and where the handlebars touch the bed.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:59 AM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:

> Yea, the site is pretty clunky. i also thought they were spendy till I 
> started looking at the other offerings. For me, it ended up being a wash 
> because I only needed to carry one bike, but it had to be a tray style. 
> Every other offering was 2 or more bikes and cost equal or more even with 
> my shop discount! I actually became aware of them from another parent at my 
> daughters school. I kept seeing their car with the rack on it, and honestly 
> thought it was custom made. I finally waited by their car one day to ask 
> them about it. (Is that creepy?) They were totally happy to chat about it 
> and gave me a full demo taking their bike on and off, and the rack on and 
> off. I was sold and frankly amazed they are not more prevalent. 
>
> The 1UP not only ticked my known requirements, but surprised me with some 
> I didn't know. It fits very close to the car when the tray is in use and 
> pivots up even closer when empty. I LOVE that it can be removed in seconds, 
> folded, and stowed in my tiny hatchback trunk when not in use. Although my 
> need is one bike at the moment, being modular, I can add two more trays if 
> need be. It's also extremely stout with nary a wiggle from the bike once 
> locked in. On top of all that, it looks like it should have "paul" machined 
> into it someplace. It's the new retro of hitch racks. 
>
> For the record, I have no affiliation with these guys and paid full 
> retail. 

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[RBW] Re: Big Bens on my LHT

[Surlyprof]

Photos?

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 5:45:40 AM UTC-7, cbone97 wrote:
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> Just wanted to say that I took a chance and ordered a 55mm Big Ben for the 
> front and 50mm for the rear of my 56 700c LHT, not knowing for sure if 
> they'd fit.  They do, just barely, and they are huge and awesome (esp the 
> 55). Highly recommended.  That is all.
>

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[RBW] Re: Finished Sam Hillborne build

[Surlyprof]

The honey leather seat and handlebars look so beautiful with the Hillborne 
blue but the wood slats on your basket really complete the classic look. 
 Gorgeous!  You'll love the ride.

John

PS: To Drew's earlier question... we would like to know who makes that 
pump.  Looks great with the Nitto, Silver, Sugino components.

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:00:42 PM UTC-7, Zach Duval wrote:
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[RBW] Re: 7 speed Front Derailleur recommendations

[Deacon Patrick]

A stick.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 7:24:05 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
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> so im looking for recommendations (buyable) for a triple front derailleur 
> with a slightly wider cage. 
> thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: 7 speed Front Derailleur recommendations

[Garth]

 6, 7, and 8 speed chains are all the same One width chain .  At least any 
SRAM , KMC, Wipperman and Shimano are .Some derailers with their 
indented plates simply leave little room for lateral movement.  You crank 
is likely less than perfect straight , they all var slightly. Some much 
worse than others .   

Sometimes playing with the angle of the FD cage can help, this is trial and 
error in a workstand.   Sometimes not.  

FWIW, I like the less or no indented old Shimano FD. Like early Deore's .  

However, I use a Shimano 105 double from around 1999, FD-5500 I think, 
anyways any Shimano double on the lower end , like Tiagra(marketed as 8/9 
speed) , works fine with triples. I have it on a 24/36/50 XD crank on my 
road bike . It shifts fine .   Double FD cages are relatively straight, 
with minimal indentations inside the plate , so they have more room for 
lateral play .  Plus, they just shift great !  

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[RBW] Finished Sam Hillborne build

[Carla Waugh]

Zac your bike us beautiful!

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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yea, the site is pretty clunky. i also thought they were spendy till I started 
looking at the other offerings. For me, it ended up being a wash because I only 
needed to carry one bike, but it had to be a tray style. Every other offering 
was 2 or more bikes and cost equal or more even with my shop discount! I 
actually became aware of them from another parent at my daughters school. I 
kept seeing their car with the rack on it, and honestly thought it was custom 
made. I finally waited by their car one day to ask them about it. (Is that 
creepy?) They were totally happy to chat about it and gave me a full demo 
taking their bike on and off, and the rack on and off. I was sold and frankly 
amazed they are not more prevalent.

The 1UP not only ticked my known requirements, but surprised me with some I 
didn't know. It fits very close to the car when the tray is in use and pivots 
up even closer when empty. I LOVE that it can be removed in seconds, folded, 
and stowed in my tiny hatchback trunk when not in use. Although my need is one 
bike at the moment, being modular, I can add two more trays if need be. It's 
also extremely stout with nary a wiggle from the bike once locked in. On top of 
all that, it looks like it should have "paul" machined into it someplace. It's 
the new retro of hitch racks. 

For the record, I have no affiliation with these guys and paid full retail. 

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[RBW] FS: xsmall GRID grey saddlesack, Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, Tektro TRP levers, Nitto B132 Rando bar,

[cbone97]

Getting away from drop bars

xsmall original GRID Grey saddlesack - $60 - like new 
Nitto dirt drop stem, 80 mm - $50 - lightly used
Nitto B132 rando handlebar - $40 - some scratches from installation etc but 
otherwise dandy
Tektro TRP fancy drillium levers - $70 - lightly used, brown rubber, great 
shape but one of the rubber covers has a small crack on the bottom edge

Prefer PP, actual shipping charges will apply (if you buy it all, I'll pay 
shipping), contact me on or off list.  Will be glad to text pics.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Finished Sam Hillborne build

[WETH]

Zach, a beautiful build.  Wishing you many happy miles and adventures!

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[RBW] Big Bens on my LHT

[cbone97]

Just wanted to say that I took a chance and ordered a 55mm Big Ben for the 
front and 50mm for the rear of my 56 700c LHT, not knowing for sure if 
they'd fit.  They do, just barely, and they are huge and awesome (esp the 
55). Highly recommended.  That is all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Matthew J]

Improper content reported.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 5:28:04 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> actually, this thread went to the toilet long ago, and Steve, you and 
> Matthew J filled it
>
> On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 4:47:07 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised this discussion has had so much staying power.  It's a 
>> relatively trivial issue, as far as I'm concerned. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[Ron Mc]

actually, this thread went to the toilet long ago, and Steve, you and 
Matthew J filled it

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 4:47:07 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm surprised this discussion has had so much staying power.  It's a 
> relatively trivial issue, as far as I'm concerned. 
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: BQ to publish study of pedal retention usefulness in Summer issue

[olofstroh]

Out for two hours this morning, tried to observe what I did. Found that I do 
lift my foot so that there is no pressure on the pedal, but foot still in 
kontakt with the pedal. On the flats and on the hills. Must be an automatic 
brain thing.

And first time this year in only a t-shirt and shorts!

Olof

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Summer issue

Steve wrote (and Patrick more added some interesting comments):
Let's face it: those who like "flat pedals" - pedals without retention devices 
- aren't after "performance" gains that can be measured objectively.  They're 
after comfort and convenience.  Some riders can make them work quite 
effectively, and are happy to accept whatever objective performance deficits 
they may have.

I have flat BMX pedals (albeit, without pins) on my shopper.  I would never 
ride long distances on such a pedal: my feet slip off, and they often sit 
crooked on the pedals and I end up stepping on the crank arm or the chain stay. 
 I'm very happy to have a pedal retention system take care of positioning my 
feet, while allowing me to lift my foot without worrying about it losing its 
place on the pedal or coming off entirely.  
I doubt the lifting of my feet substantially adds to power, as die hard 
advocates proclaim, but that's not the only reason to do it.

I'm surprised this discussion has had so much staying power.  It's a relatively 
trivial issue, as far as I'm concerned.

...

I don´t know your respective bicycling history but methinks this is to a high 
degree a brain thing. When learning a new thing the brain grows new synapses to 
cope. This takes time. At age 46 I became obsessed with dancing; quick-step, 
tango, slowfox, rumba, chacha, that sort of thing, also lindy hop. Trained 
maybe 8-10 hours per week for some years. I´m not without talent but it took 
some three years before I could call myself a good dancer, the synapses had to 
grew first.

The same with cycling. I started to ride intensively at age 5 and have never 
stopped (now 72). Didn´t meet retention until over 30. I´m a natural spinner 
and rides both roads and trails. On flat rubber pedals, never got enamoured by 
retention. This comes very natural and effortless. Can´t remember when a foot 
slipped.

May it be that your brain over time grews connections to cope effectively with 
the system you´re using and that changing system can feel strange and 
inefficient for a long time, maybe years, until the new system literally grows 
on you?

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden
where it doesn´t get dark at night this time of the year



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