Re: [RBW] How are albatross and albastache bars for long distance riding?

[Mike Williams]

Daniel, bars are personal,  everyone has there preferences and i cant speak for 
Albastaches,   But I can for Albatross and for me,  they are just about the 
perfect mixed surface touring bar,  good for 100 mile days without even 
thinking about it.Ive tried drops,  never could get comfy.   This is why I like 
Albas,  they let you sit high and really see around you a bit more.   As for 
hand positions theres a solid 3 or 4 for me,  and also I set the bars at saddle 
height or a little higher and this takes pressure off hands/ wrists and Im not 
really wanting to move my hands around all the time.   I say give them a shot! 
you might love them or decide theyre not really your thing.  Gd luck,   
-Mike

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> Day Dreaming about how I would build up a sam.  Thinking about why I want the 
> sam realized it would be for fun long rides.  If I'm running errands I'd use 
> my cheaper bikes.  Loaded touring I have a bike for that.  Are drop bars a 
> safer bet for long distance riding?   Don't have much experience with upright 
> bars.  Seems like the upright bars limit the options for hand position.  
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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA railroad/hickory shirt L

[Clayton.sf]

Sold

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Chris King Cages

[Dan McNamara]

Assuming King Cage, which style are you looking for?

Dan



> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:55 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> 
> Chris King, or just plain King?
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>> Looking for two Chris King cages for a new build.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Ride well,
>> 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Chris King Cages

[cyclotourist]

Chris King, or just plain King?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Curtis McKenzie]

The Riverside Outback?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> A huge shame. This looked like the premier event of it's type IMHO. I
> hope a more organized version can be created and prosper to keep this
> event going.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:48 AM, hsmitham  wrote:
> > Well here's the scoop. Not the end of the world but a sad commentary on
> the
> > state of some beings.
> >
> > http://www.oregonbikepacking.com/the-death-of-the-oregon-outback/
> >
> > I was planning on riding this in '16 especially after seeing RBW list
> folks
> > like Brian Hanson, Mark Reimer and others, Flickr, IG & bloggy posts.
> I'll
> > still ride it one of these days but may give the folks who live on the
> route
> > a chance to mellow some.
> >
> > Tail Winds,
> >
> > ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Curtis McKenzie]

How sad.  It is not uncommon that success brings a down fall to something
really neat.

Curtis

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> Well here's the scoop. Not the end of the world but a sad commentary on
> the state of some beings.
>
> http://www.oregonbikepacking.com/the-death-of-the-oregon-outback/
>
> I was planning on riding this in '16 especially after seeing RBW list
> folks like Brian Hanson, Mark Reimer and others, Flickr, IG & bloggy posts.
> I'll still ride it one of these days but may give the folks who live on the
> route a chance to mellow some.
>
> Tail Winds,
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> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Barlow Pass Burley

[Chad Knutson]

The tandem looks great, Tony.  We just bought a Bossa Nova this spring from 
a neighbor.  For now, both of our tandems are set up with kid-back cranks 
so that our kids can ride with us.  Maybe eventually, my wife and I will 
ride together.

We have 32 mm Paselas on the Burley, but I think they're probably big 
enough for its riders (combined weight is probably around 150 lbs).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nGXtjzdA5VQ/VUacP8BAHsI/C3Q/ogdNh5WD2OA/s1600/DSCN4526.JPG

Happy tandeming!

Chad
Urbana, IL

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[RBW] WTB 58 or 60 CM Sam Hillborne (really love the single TT model)

[Nick Morehouse]

As long as I've been into bikes I've wanted a Rivendell. Last year I 
decided to finally get one but due to financial limitations I chose the 
SOMA San Marcos.  I have really enjoyed my San Marcos but I want something 
with more versatility (bigger tires, more cargo capacity, etc) for rough 
roads and touring.  I wanted a Sam to start with but as usual I went 
cheap.  The San Marcos has been great but I'm ready to upgrade.  I am 
looking for a complete build but would be happy with a frame as well. I 
live in MD and would prefer something I don't have to pay to ship half way 
around the world.then again, I really want a reasonably priced Sam 
so.if you got one and your itching to get rid of it. Let me know!

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[RBW] Re: COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[Ryan Thompson]

Looks like the terrain I used to ride in New Mexico.  Thanks for sharing.

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman in the foothills 
of Colorado wrote:
>
> Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since 
> adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn Medium 
> Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at 
> main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/
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[RBW] Re: Velo Orange 'Campeur' vs. the Clem

[Jack B]

I own the VO frame you mentioned, but only have been riding it a month or 
so. It's a good bike, maybe even a great bike, but it's no Riv.

Before I knew about the Clem, I convinced myself I couldn't afford a Riv, 
and bought the VO on sale in December and then built it up over the last 
few months as I found deals on new & used parts. Then just as I was 
finishing the build, I had a chance to test ride a Sam, and man I think I 
should've saved up for that bike instead! I haven't ridden a Clem, so can't 
honestly compare it with the Campeur, but have to assume it still has that 
"Riv feel" that we hear about on this group. 

I have the VO set up with drop bars, after mostly riding an old Trek TX500 
bike w/ Albatross bars. I have the drops raised up quite high with a 
technomic stem, but it still feels like a big reach maybe that's just 
because I'm used to the upright bars, but I didn't feel that way on a Sam 
with drops.

I think the Clem has the VO beat on aesthetics, hands down. Better looking 
fork, lugs, colors, nice looking swoop on the seat stays, just more 
handsome all around. Mine is the 63cm size and it's funny to me how it 
doesn't look like a tall frame... maybe that's good, but I think I'd rather 
see a taller headtube and a sloping top tube, which would help get the bars 
up too. I think a tall Riv (e.g. 62cm Sam) does this really well. Clem 
doesn't have that size option, so maybe not a fair comparison there.

All of that said, the VO is great at a lot of things: Carries a load, no 
probs with heelstrike on my panniers. All kinds of thought put into it 
about racks, fenders, wheel clearance, etc.  It's worth mentioning that it 
is built for Canti brakes, which could be a deal-breaker for some. I think 
you could swap out for centerpulls up front, but the rear would be trickier.



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> In the interest of being thorough.  There was a thread comparing the Clem 
> to the Surly LHT.  So what about this one?  It seems pretty cool. 
>  Available ion a wide range of sizes, has a pump peg, kickstand plate and a 
> variety of rack and fender mounts.  $520 for the frame.
> Clearly, Clem is going to be a bit more stout.  But the Campeur is no 
> lightweight, with a stated weight of 28.1 pounds.  I like the Clem's 
> dropouts and rack mounts better.   Is there anyone who has ridden the VO? 
>  Or had the chance to give a good looking over?  I'd love to hear your 
> thoughts.
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[RBW] How are albatross and albastache bars for long distance riding?

[Daniel D.]

Day Dreaming about how I would build up a sam.  Thinking about why I want 
the sam realized it would be for fun long rides.  If I'm running errands 
I'd use my cheaper bikes.  Loaded touring I have a bike for that.  Are drop 
bars a safer bet for long distance riding?   Don't have much experience 
with upright bars.  Seems like the upright bars limit the options for hand 
position.  

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[RBW] Re: Velo Orange 'Campeur' vs. the Clem

[Sarah Bogdanovich]

I used to have a 63cm campeur and it was great. Very nice fit/finish on the 
frame. The only reason I sold it is because I found a deal on my dream 
frame - a STT Rivendell Hillborne in orange. Tire clearance on the VO will 
be less than you find on the Clem. I don't think you will regret the 
campeur, but it isn't a rivendell :)

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> In the interest of being thorough.  There was a thread comparing the Clem 
> to the Surly LHT.  So what about this one?  It seems pretty cool. 
>  Available ion a wide range of sizes, has a pump peg, kickstand plate and a 
> variety of rack and fender mounts.  $520 for the frame.
> Clearly, Clem is going to be a bit more stout.  But the Campeur is no 
> lightweight, with a stated weight of 28.1 pounds.  I like the Clem's 
> dropouts and rack mounts better.   Is there anyone who has ridden the VO? 
>  Or had the chance to give a good looking over?  I'd love to hear your 
> thoughts.
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[RBW] Re: My 60cm, Sweet Betty for sale

[Miesha Kerl]

SOLD BETTY FOY. 

Miesha

On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 7:36:26 AM UTC-7, Miesha Kerl wrote:
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> Hi Guys, 
>
> I'm posting my 60cm Betty Foy for sale.  Custom painted at D&D Cycles.
>
> Fancy, stock Albatross build.  Paul Thumbies with Shimano shifters.
>
> Wheels built by Rich at Hands on Wheels.
>
> Lightly used.  In excellent condition.
>
> Asking $2000.
>
> Would prefer local pick-up, but will ship just about anywhere in USA for 
> an additional $200.
>
> Contact me: mie...@rivbike.com if interested.
>
> See pictures here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff11.htm
>
> Miesha 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58CM Sam Hillborne Sage Green

[Ryan Thompson]

Bike is sold, thanks Drew.

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 8:37:01 PM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> I’m selling my 58cm Sam Hillborne double top tube in Sage Green to make 
> room for another Rivendell mixte.  
>
>  
>
> I purchased the bike new in January 2014.  There are few scratches here 
> and there from mounting racks, some scratches from when I dropped the chain 
> the first time I rode the bike, and a scratch on the seat lug from mounting 
> a trail-a-bike.
>
>  
>
> Pretty standard albatross Riv build:
>
> 9spd Dura Ace bar end shifters
>
> CX-70 front derailleur
>
> Deore rear derailleur
>
> Sugino Wide/Low - 175mm arms with 40/24 rings
>
> 9sp 11/32 cassette
>
> 9sp Chain
>
> FSA sealed cartridge bearing headset
>
> Tektro R559 silver side pull long-reach brakes
>
> Nitto Albatross chromo handlebars with 
>
> Nitto Tallux stem 10cm
>
> Shimano mountain bike brake levers Silver
>
> Meisha's corks grips with groove for barend shifters (Amber shelacked)
>
> Kalloy seatpost silver
>
> Brooks B17 honey
>
> Rich built Velocity Synergy wheels with Shimano XT 36 hole hubs
>
> New Schwalbe Marathon GreenGuard tires 38mm 
>
> MKS RMS Sneaker pedals
>
> Mark’s front Nitto rack with basket
>
> SKS longboard fenders in silver
>
> Pletcher single leg kickstand
>
>  
>
> $1,800 complete. Hoping to sell locally in the DC Metro but will ship if 
> the buyer covers shipping (CONUS only) and any paypal fees. I'm happy to 
> answer any questions.
>
>  
>
> Photos here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ashtop/sets/72157654405754032  
> 
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> Ryan
>
> (804) 638-4315
>
> Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: Car Racks & Rivs

[Stephen D]

Great question - we've had the same question for quite some time and just 
haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet.

Jinxed's response got me curious about 1Up with fenders -- I found this: 
http://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/902008-1up-usa-rack-fender-cushions-question.html
.

I've often wondered about Yakima and Thule hitch racks that have trays but 
use a clamp on the top tube instead of the tires, likes this:  
http://www.yakima.com/shop/bike/hitch/twotimer or 
http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/carriers-and-racks/bike-carriers/hitch-mounted-bike-carriers/thule-doubletrack-2-bike-990xt-_-5776509
.

Good luck and keep us posted!
Stephen

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[RBW] Re: Price Reduced for Betty Foy

[Miesha Kerl]

BETTY FOY SOLD.

Miesha 

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:47:07 PM UTC-7, Miesha Kerl wrote:
>
> I'm re-posting my 60cm Betty Foy for sale. Custom painted at D&D Cycles. 
> Albatross build, Paul Thumbies with Shimano shifters. 
> Wheels built by Rich at Hands on Wheels. 
> Lightly used. Excellent condition. 
> Price Reduced... Asking $1800. 
> Would prefer local pick-up, but will ship if needed. 
>
> Contact me: maker...@gmail.com if interested.
> See pictures here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff11.htm
>
> Thank you, 
> Miesha
>
>  
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[RBW] FS Sturmey Archer S3X and other bits

['john elliott' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi,
I have a Sturmey Archer S3X that I bought for my Rivendell Quickbeam.  Its 
put together with a Velocity Dyad rim with 36 spokes.  It comes with the 
bar end shifter and all of the small parts needed except the cable 
housing.  It was partly mounted but never ridden.  120mm spacing

If you are in need of a more complete wheelset, I also have a 36 hole 
vintage but fully functional front wheel that could go with it.  

Another front wheel option I have is the suzue front hub from my original 
green quickbeam.  The rim from that wheel needed replacing so I pulled the 
hub out of the wheel, it's fully functional, but used of course.   I was 
thinking that it could be built up with a velocity dyad rim and be a match 
for the S3X on a quickbeam.  (though that's a 32 hole rim).

I also have a brand new 700 c vittoria tire on the S3X with an old patched 
tube in it and I have 2 fairly worn out jack brown blue tires that are 
still somewhat usable that I'm willing to throw in if anyone wants them.

I also have a nitto technomic deluxe stem that was used for a couple of 
hundred miles and has a ring around it from its use in the past, but is 
otherwise just about perfect.

Maybe $20 for the stem.  $150 for the S3X, and I'll throw in the tube and 
tire that's on it.  I'll throw in the front wheel too for another $25.

Thanks



 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 Canti Waterford Sam Hill in Hilsen blue with Ritchey, Phil

[Phobos]

SOLD!

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 11:12:47 AM UTC-4, Phobos wrote:
>
> Spectacular rare Sam needs forever home.  I have too many bikes, and some 
> need to move.  This will be the hardest for me to part with so it goes 
> first.
>
> This is a Waterford, USA made Sam Hillborne.  Color is the same as a a 
> Hilsen.  Periwinkle blue?  And it is a canti-brake model.  Included headset 
> is Ritchey Logic.  Included BB is Phil.  It is in great shape with various 
> paint chips.  I tried to document them in the pics, but I probably missed 
> some.  Been built a couple of times, (once since I have owned it) and 
> lightly used.  I bought it from Rivendell used basically much like it is 
> now in Nov. 2013.  It has some chips and scratches, but no dents or frame 
> issues.  Great bike.  Should go to a true Riv. fan.
> $900 +shipping. 
> Thanks!
> -Mike
>
>
> Check, mo, cash, whatever is fine.  Paypal is okay if it is no-fee to me. 
>
> Here is the text from the Riv ad when I bought it.
>
> A few neat things about this frame: 
>
> Cantis go where most Sams haves side pulls. 
> It's a Sam painted the same color as the A Homer Hilsen. 
> It has a Phil BB and a Ritchey headset.
> Made in Wisconsin. 
> It's a lil' bit used and has a pitlock sticker on the seattube. 
> It is slightly used with nicks and slime in all the right places.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA railroad/hickory shirt L

[Daniel Jackson]

Clayton,

Would you mind posting a photo of the shirt for us all?

Thanks 

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[RBW] FS: Jones Loop H-Bar (Silver, 710 width) Lightly Used

[RDS]

For Sale:  Recently purchased a silver Jones Loop bar in aluminum with the 
710 width (can be cut shorter).  This is the version which has the fully 
enclosed front loop portion of the bars.  I have ridden with the bar less 
than 20 miles on all smoothly paved rail trail.  So, minor scuffs of 
installing brakes and stem.  The bars just aren't going to work out for 
this particular bike.  I am not currently at home, so it will be later 
tonight before I will be at home to take pics.  Purchased for $125 from the 
Jones store.  $100 shipped to anywhere in the 48 continental USA states.  
Contact me via private message to request pics or to make an offer for the 
bars.  Prefer Paypal.

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[RBW] WTB: Chris King Cages

[Curtis McKenzie]

Looking for two Chris King cages for a new build.  Thanks.

Ride well,

Curtis

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[RBW] WTT: my Ortlieb back roller pannier set for your front

[Zachary]

I've got a pair of white Ortlieb back roller classics in very good 
condition.  I got them a couple of years ago when I thought I had ordered 
front rollers, and didn't even realize the mix up until I was already 
touring.  Contact me off list if interested.

Thanks,

Zach

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[RBW] Re: sf-la coast tour thoughts and preparation

[Spencer Hawkes]

My wife and I biked from Portland down into Northern California last summer 
and here are a few things that might apply to SF-LA:
-We followed the 'Bicycling the Pacific Coast' book pretty closely and 
showered almost every night. The state parks all were shower equipped, just 
bring along a hand-full of quarters. (Although most were free, some weren't)
-I brought a super light wool baselayer (smartwool) for sleeping and 
wandering around camp in the mornings. Slipping into something clean at 
night always felt good.
-Bring half a brillo pad for cookware cleaning
-Some sort of multi-use soap for dishes/hands
-I'm glad I brought a rag for bike repairs/wiping chain
-as mentioned before, headlamp
-Although not totally necessary, I brought a hand pump with a gauge. I'm 
not crazy into tire pressure being exact or anything, but the gauge was 
nice. (crankbrothers sells a great one)
-Small bottle of 100% aloe gel. I'm not great at applying sunscreen 
regularly, so this saved me, and it feels amazing to throw some on your 
forehead or neck even mid-ride if things are getting really hot.
-Lastly, not a piece of gear, but we always ate good food, and never 
worried about carrying extra food weight. Sweet potatoes and butter are 
awesome in tinfoil dinners, ice cream right outside the grocery store, nice 
sausages saurkraut and lemonade all made the trip that much more wonderful. 
Figure out what you want to indulge in a bit and go for it. For us it was 
food.

As a parting note, the crankbrothers multi-17 is the best multitool I've 
ever used, and the chain breaker is better than any other. I find myself 
reaching for it over my home mechanic chain tool from park pretty regularly 
now. Also it can be tightened if the tools come a bit loose after a few 
years, and as far as I'm aware has a lifetime guarantee (haven't had to use 
this in 6 years, but a friend has his replaced for free)

Have an awesome trip! Someday I hope to ride the section you'll be doing!

-Spencer
 

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[RBW] Portland to San Luis Obispo

[Curtis]

Hey,

Planning to ride from Portland to San Luis Obispo this July.  Will be 
picking up a bicycle on July 12 and then spending two days in and around 
Portland before heading east to Astoria.  Once on the coast will turn south 
to SLO.  

If anyone is interested for all are part I would enjoy the company.  Will 
be camping for the most part.  Really no set schedule or daily mileage for 
this trip.

Ride well,

Curtis

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[RBW] Re: U-LOCK TOTE ??

[Tony DeFilippo]

Sackville Med fits everything... :)

It is pretty slick looking though.  

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[RBW] Re: U-LOCK TOTE ??

[Rod Holland]

Looks nice. I just tuck mine into the rear rack, where it rattles around a 
bit when I hit a bump...

rod

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:
>
> Anyone use one of these? Or do you put your U-LOCK   in your bag?
> Jon
>
>
> http://www.dillpicklegear.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=78&product_id=63
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[RBW] U-LOCK TOTE ??

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Anyone use one of these? Or do you put your U-LOCK   in your bag?
Jon

http://www.dillpicklegear.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=78&product_id=63

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Re: [RBW] FS/FT: Nitto, Chris King Bikey Bits

[comveo]

Chris King hub is sold!


All other items still available:


Nitto Bullmoose 150mm, excellent condition- $120 

Nitto Noodle Heat Treated Alloy 48cm, tape residue, a few scuffs from lever 
install, otherwise VGC- $60

Nitto S-83, 27.2 seatpost, new in box- price drop to $85!


All prices include shipping via USPS to CONUS.

Contact off list for interest, and thanks again for looking : )


-Bryan





On Sunday, June 14, 2015 at 10:35:18 PM UTC-4, comveo wrote:
>
> Sale pending on the CK hub. 
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2015 at 9:55:16 PM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>> Bryan, do you have a picture of the rear hub, Thanks, Steve
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2015, comveo  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a few items that I'm offering to those interested. All prices 
>>> include shipping via USPS to CONUS
>>>
>>> Nitto Bullmoose 150mm, excellent condition- $120 
>>>
>>> Nitto Noodle 48cm, tape residue, a few scuffs from lever install, 
>>> otherwise VGC- $60
>>>
>>> Nitto S-83 27.2 seatpost, new in box- $90
>>>
>>> (Aannd...This may be a long shot..) 
>>>
>>> Chris King Classic Rear Non-disc MTB Hub 32h 135mm (Mango/Orange), 
>>> gently used for less than 20 miles of MTB riding, sat around for a several 
>>> years, GC- $85
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm also willing to entertain trades for the following:
>>>
>>> -Paul Racer Brakes (Silver, Pair)
>>> -Brooks B17 Special (Antique Brown)
>>> -Shimano 8sp bar-end shifters (pair)
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking and please let me know if you have any 
>>> questions/interest off list.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Bryan
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Re: [RBW] COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[Jon Dukeman]

Not very fast Jim.
We've had a ton of rain and the dirt roads are really sandy in places.
It might be hard pack for a while then you hit a patch of beach sand.
 It was more fun going back down
Jon

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I like this one:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/
>
> How fast do you go downhill on gravel?
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado
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>> Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since
>> adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn Medium
>> Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at
>> main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/
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Re: [RBW] COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[Jim Bronson]

I like this one:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/

How fast do you go downhill on gravel?

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> Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since
> adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn Medium
> Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at
> main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Michael Hechmer]

Thank you.  We are heading out tomorrow for three days of the Saranac 
Tandem Rally, so this problem will wait at least till Monday.  Thanks for 
the lead to Jan's blog.  He wrote: "*Do not ride a poorly seated tire! *The 
tire could come off the rim and cause a crash."

I'm glad my survival instincts kicked in.  When I'm going downhill at 35mph 
I want everything to be perfect, so as soon as this happened I turned 
around and headed home.

Michael.

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 4:14:45 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 06/18/2015 03:17 PM, Kieran J wrote: 
> > I've been having a dickens of a time trying to get Hetres to mount 
> > round and true on an A23 tubeless-ready rim (with a tube). My next try 
> > was going to be on a Synergy wheel I have, but it sounds like this 
> > type of behaviour happens on those as well. 
> > 
> > Is the lumpy supple tire syndrome something that people just deal with 
> > and/or have simply accepted that soapy water, 10 minutes of massaging 
> > and adjusting, etc. are what's needed to put a tire on? 
> > 
> > 
>
>
> It's the rims, not the tires. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/18/2015 03:17 PM, Kieran J wrote:
I've been having a dickens of a time trying to get Hetres to mount 
round and true on an A23 tubeless-ready rim (with a tube). My next try 
was going to be on a Synergy wheel I have, but it sounds like this 
type of behaviour happens on those as well.


Is the lumpy supple tire syndrome something that people just deal with 
and/or have simply accepted that soapy water, 10 minutes of massaging 
and adjusting, etc. are what's needed to put a tire on?






It's the rims, not the tires.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Steve Palincsar]

Synergy 650B -- first thing to suspect is deep well mounting issues.  
Eyeball the junction of rim and tire while spinning the wheel: there's a 
molded-in line on the sidewall.  Watch the line as the wheel goes 
around.  Odds are (this is a /very/ common condition) you'll see the 
line dip down below the edge of the rim and then rise up again.


There are 3 things you can do:
- reduce pressure down to around 20 or so and hand-manipulate the tire, 
basically gripping it and pulling upwards

- run the pressure up to 120 psi or so
- do as Jan suggests in this blog post: 
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/mounting-tires-on-rims-with-deep-wells/


There is, of course, an outside chance it's something else.  But those 
mounting issues with the Velocity Synergy are so very common.


On 06/18/2015 03:54 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
2-3mm out of round is enough to detect as a thump when you ride, 
especially if it is in a sudden single spot.  In my experience, it's 
usually a 2-3mm low spot, not a 2-3mm bulge.  I'll assume that's what 
you have.


If that's the case, then what you want to do is:

1.  Mark the sidewall of the tire and the spot on the rim with a sharpie
2.  Remove the tire
3.  Remount the tire as best as you can but with the tire rotated 90 
degrees from where it was

4.  Check again for a low spot.  Did you find one?
5.  If yes,
  a.  is it at the same mark on the tire?  Maybe it's a bad tire
  b.  is it at the same mark on the rim?  Maybe there's a rim flaw
  c.  is it at neither mark?  Then it's probably the well known 
'too-deep synergy rim well' documented all over the place.  Build up 
the well with more rim tape.  I use gaffer tape for this purpose.


On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 11:45:25 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

I am getting a thumping vibration from a front wheel at speeds
above 25mph.  The wheel is nearly new with a White hub and Synergy
rim.  The tire is a brand new Pari-Moto.  It was on my converted
Trek 620.  I can't see any obvious cause and here's what I've done
so far.

A visual inspection of the tire and wheel didn't show any obvious
anomalies, so I checked the head set and decided to tighten it
just a bit.  That didn't have any noticeable affect on the thump.
 Then I swapped wheels with my Saluki, which also has pari-moto
tires. Rode both bikes over the same short, hilly course.  The
thump definitely went with the wheel.  Next I took the tire off.
 Pari-motos go on very easily but are hard to get straight..  I
put the wheel in my little Minoura  wheel stand.  It is perfectly
round and nearly perfectly true.  I carefully remounted the tire,
working to get it as perfectly straight as I can.  Then I put the
wheel and tire up on the stand.  The tire moves in and out about
2-3 mm away from the side wall and about 2-3 mm away from round.
 I retested it and still got the high speed vibration.




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[RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Bill Lindsay]

2-3mm out of round is enough to detect as a thump when you ride, especially 
if it is in a sudden single spot.  In my experience, it's usually a 2-3mm 
low spot, not a 2-3mm bulge.  I'll assume that's what you have.  

If that's the case, then what you want to do is:

1.  Mark the sidewall of the tire and the spot on the rim with a sharpie
2.  Remove the tire
3.  Remount the tire as best as you can but with the tire rotated 90 
degrees from where it was
4.  Check again for a low spot.  Did you find one?
5.  If yes, 
  a.  is it at the same mark on the tire?  Maybe it's a bad tire
  b.  is it at the same mark on the rim?  Maybe there's a rim flaw
  c.  is it at neither mark?  Then it's probably the well known 'too-deep 
synergy rim well' documented all over the place.  Build up the well with 
more rim tape.  I use gaffer tape for this purpose.  

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 11:45:25 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I am getting a thumping vibration from a front wheel at speeds above 
> 25mph.  The wheel is nearly new with a White hub and Synergy rim.  The tire 
> is a brand new Pari-Moto.  It was on my converted Trek 620.  I can't see 
> any obvious cause and here's what I've done so far.
>
> A visual inspection of the tire and wheel didn't show any obvious 
> anomalies, so I checked the head set and decided to tighten it just a bit. 
>  That didn't have any noticeable affect on the thump.  Then I swapped 
> wheels with my Saluki, which also has pari-moto tires. Rode both bikes over 
> the same short, hilly course.  The thump definitely went with the wheel. 
>  Next I took the tire off.  Pari-motos go on very easily but are hard to 
> get straight..  I put the wheel in my little Minoura  wheel stand.  It is 
> perfectly round and nearly perfectly true.  I carefully remounted the tire, 
> working to get it as perfectly straight as I can.  Then I put the wheel and 
> tire up on the stand.  The tire moves in and out about 2-3 mm away from the 
> side wall and about 2-3 mm away from round.  I retested it and still got 
> the high speed vibration. 
>
> ?? Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Aaron Young]

What was that product?  All I saw was a shirt. :)

This Oregon Outback setback really is embarrassing and tragic.  But at
least it's a reality check for all of us whether biking, hiking, etc...

Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> They could've used some of this: https://youtu.be/cpads8s5mik
> David
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Kieran J]

I've been using whatever tubeless tape that came with the wheels (they were 
bought second-hand). It isn't cloth tape. The bead doesn't seem to seat 
uniformly all the way around the rim, and dips below the edge in portions 
of the circumference. 

FWIW, my Babyshoe Pass tires mount easier than the Hetres, with some but 
negligible runout once inflated. I've tried two different sets of Hetres, 
and they all stay at least a little lumpy no matter what I do.

Since I'm new to supple tires, I'm new to this "problem". I'm used to tires 
(esp. with wire beads) just popping on and off you go with a perfectly 
round tire..

KJ


On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-4, jbartoe wrote:
>
> Hi Kieran,
>
> On the A23, what are you using for a rim strip? There seems to be some 
> issues on tubeless ready rims when using thicker rim strips like Velox. I'd 
> recommend using 2 layers of Stan's tape and then trying again. We have 
> several bikes in our rental queue with A23s and have had no issues mounting 
> up tires. On my own A23s I have Compass Stampede Pass tires and Gran Bois 
> Cerf Green Label tires mounted and all went on seemlessly when using the 
> Stan's tape.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> Joe Bartoe
> Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc.
> email: j...@synapticcycles.com 
> website: www.synapticcycles.com
> Twitter: @synapticcycles
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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[David Banzer]

They could've used some of this: https://youtu.be/cpads8s5mik
David
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RE: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Joe Bartoe]

Hi Kieran,

On the A23, what are you using for a rim strip? There seems to be some issues 
on tubeless ready rims when using thicker rim strips like Velox. I'd recommend 
using 2 layers of Stan's tape and then trying again. We have several bikes in 
our rental queue with A23s and have had no issues mounting up tires. On my own 
A23s I have Compass Stampede Pass tires and Gran Bois Cerf Green Label tires 
mounted and all went on seemlessly when using the Stan's tape.

Best,

Joe

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:17:57 -0700
From: kjo...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

I've been having a dickens of a time trying to get Hetres to mount round and 
true on an A23 tubeless-ready rim (with a tube). My next try was going to be on 
a Synergy wheel I have, but it sounds like this type of behaviour happens on 
those as well.
Is the lumpy supple tire syndrome something that people just deal with and/or 
have simply accepted that soapy water, 10 minutes of massaging and adjusting, 
etc. are what's needed to put a tire on?
KJ
 

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:I am 
getting a thumping vibration from a front wheel at speeds above 25mph.  The 
wheel is nearly new with a White hub and Synergy rim.  The tire is a brand new 
Pari-Moto.  It was on my converted Trek 620.  I can't see any obvious cause and 
here's what I've done so far.
A visual inspection of the tire and wheel didn't show any obvious anomalies, so 
I checked the head set and decided to tighten it just a bit.  That didn't have 
any noticeable affect on the thump.  Then I swapped wheels with my Saluki, 
which also has pari-moto tires. Rode both bikes over the same short, hilly 
course.  The thump definitely went with the wheel.  Next I took the tire off.  
Pari-motos go on very easily but are hard to get straight..  I put the wheel in 
my little Minoura  wheel stand.  It is perfectly round and nearly perfectly 
true.  I carefully remounted the tire, working to get it as perfectly straight 
as I can.  Then I put the wheel and tire up on the stand.  The tire moves in 
and out about 2-3 mm away from the side wall and about 2-3 mm away from round.  
I retested it and still got the high speed vibration. 
?? Michael






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[RBW] Re: COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[Deacon Patrick]

800 feet is sea level when looking at it from up here. Grin. I hope your 
head is doing better, George.

Depending on which of my rides we're talking about, I live at 8,000 feet 
and Jon is right, generally ride up to 10,000, but have done 11 and 12k on 
various passes on the Divide as well as Pikes Peak (14+K).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 12:47:36 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>
> "For some it takes some acclimation to get used to the altitude if you are 
> from sea level"
>
> I'm not from sea level; I live at about 800 ft.  Nevertheless, when I woke 
> up last Sunday morning I had an altitude headache.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 1:03:40 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Hugh,
>> Thanks for the compliments!! 
>> I guess it depends where you live in Colorado Yes the eastern side of the 
>> rockies is called "the front range"..The western side ( Grand Junction) is 
>> called the Western Slope.That's what the weather people say on T.V.
>> We in Larkspur are around 6825 FT. When you go over Monument hill it's 
>> around 7200ft.
>> When you see Patrick riding he rides somewhere around 7000 and 9000 FT. 
>> For some it takes some acclimation to get used to the altitude if you are 
>> from sea level.
>> I love my Thumbies.I previously had bar ends on my tandem and I enjoy not 
>> having to move my hand to the end of the bar to shift. When climbing and 
>> want to shift my weight or just want a change of hand position I move my 
>> hands forward of  the brake levers.
>> You are in LAI lived in Long Beach for 20 years.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 11:29:01 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Jon,
>>>
>>> Like the others say beautiful country!! It's roads like this that get me 
>>> going. 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/in/photostream/ 
>>>
>>> I want to jump through the image and start riding. What's the elevation? 
>>> So this area as Patrick calls it is the front range? I thought the Western 
>>> side of the Rockies was the front range. Says the guy on the Western side :)
>>>
>>> The Sam looks gorgeous, curious how do you like the paul thumbies 
>>> mounted on the Albatross bars? I found that they eliminated the wonderful 
>>> hand position just fore of the brake mount. Did you have bar ends prior? 
>>> Thanks for the post.
>>>
>>> One of these days I hope to ride Colorado.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:13:42 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
>>> foothills of Colorado wrote:

 Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since 
 adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn 
 Medium 
 Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at 
 main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/

>>>

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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Hugh Smitham]

Haha, at least the Cat knew to cover it all up by sweeping it under the
rug. Maybe this should be the mandatory vid all future OOB riders watch.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good to hear about the clean up crew.  This is what jumped to my mind upon
> reading that:
>
> http://youtu.be/TGVG4sKLkLs
>
> If only it were this easy to clean up our messes.
>
> Riv content: I'm pretty sure the tire on that moss-covered, three-handled,
> family gredanza is a Fatty Rumpkin.
>
> -Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
> On Thursday, June 18, 2015, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brian for a reality check. Yes it will continue in some form.
>>
>> Update: On a reliable source I am told there is a small contingent
>> traveling back down to do a clean up sweep and mend fences. The good
>> outweighing the bad.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:08 PM, stonehog  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think this was a majority issue - there will always be outlaws
>>> in the west, but I agree that most everyone I came across was respectful
>>> and thankful for any shelter.  The ride isn't anywhere near ruined, it is
>>> an unorganized gathering at best. The folks that ruined camping in a few
>>> spots will not be allowed to kill the ride for the rest of us.
>>>
>>> We were all on our own, make no mistake. And you can and should do rides
>>> like this at any time- you don't need the "organizer's" permission any more
>>> than you need John Wesley Powell's permission to raft the Colorado.  Treat
>>> all outdoors as if you are guests/owners (you are), and try to leave it in
>>> better shape than you find it, but the worst thing is if folks abandon
>>> these rides due to a few jerks. I will be back. Will also do other rides.
>>> There will be rebirth (probably by next year). This is temporary, fixable
>>> tragedy.
>>>
>>> Brian Hanson
>>> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Kieran J]

I've been having a dickens of a time trying to get Hetres to mount round 
and true on an A23 tubeless-ready rim (with a tube). My next try was going 
to be on a Synergy wheel I have, but it sounds like this type of behaviour 
happens on those as well.

Is the lumpy supple tire syndrome something that people just deal with 
and/or have simply accepted that soapy water, 10 minutes of massaging and 
adjusting, etc. are what's needed to put a tire on?

KJ

 

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I am getting a thumping vibration from a front wheel at speeds above 
> 25mph.  The wheel is nearly new with a White hub and Synergy rim.  The tire 
> is a brand new Pari-Moto.  It was on my converted Trek 620.  I can't see 
> any obvious cause and here's what I've done so far.
>
> A visual inspection of the tire and wheel didn't show any obvious 
> anomalies, so I checked the head set and decided to tighten it just a bit. 
>  That didn't have any noticeable affect on the thump.  Then I swapped 
> wheels with my Saluki, which also has pari-moto tires. Rode both bikes over 
> the same short, hilly course.  The thump definitely went with the wheel. 
>  Next I took the tire off.  Pari-motos go on very easily but are hard to 
> get straight..  I put the wheel in my little Minoura  wheel stand.  It is 
> perfectly round and nearly perfectly true.  I carefully remounted the tire, 
> working to get it as perfectly straight as I can.  Then I put the wheel and 
> tire up on the stand.  The tire moves in and out about 2-3 mm away from the 
> side wall and about 2-3 mm away from round.  I retested it and still got 
> the high speed vibration. 
>
> ?? Michael
>
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Re: [RBW] Early Morning Ride

[cyclotourist]

Thanks for looking, Jim!

I do a decent amount of evening rides, they're not too bad. In fact
this was just the day before:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18257770523/
That said, a 65F morning is definitely nicer to ride in than a 90F evening :-)
I usually don't mind riding in the warm weather as it comes on through
the morning. I used to do it a lot more, but my riding preferences
have narrowed as I've matured. That or I'm lazier.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> Love your pics.  My dad was born and spent his early years right next door
> in San Bernadino.  It's an area I enjoy visiting.
>
> That being said, I wouldn't shy away from evening riding.  I find that I
> like to force myself out of my comfort zone, and the more I do so, the more
> comfortable I am in the extreme heat.  Sun sleeves would also work really
> well in your very dry climate.
>
> This year for us in Texas, it's more the humidity than the heat though, some
> days don't even get out of the 80s but the air is so thick you could cut it
> with a knife.   My sun sleeves are useless with this humidity, they make me
> hotter than I would be otherwise.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:58 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>>
>> Now that it's daily 100F here in Inland Southern California, my
>> comfortable riding window is much narrower. Either early morning or
>> early evening. Still warm in the evening, so that leaves morning as
>> the only comfortable time. Finally got around to making it happen
>> after thinking about it all week.
>>
>> Wake up at 5:30. Make an espresso, pump up the tires, out the door @
>> 5:55. Spin around the hills till 6:45, then zip back down (topped out
>> at 40.4MPH!) to be home by 7:00 when my spouse leaves for work. Worked
>> out great and really enjoyed it. Will see if I can make it happen more
>> than once!
>>
>> Best pic of the morning:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18891368025/in/photostream/lightbox/
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>>
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[RBW] Re: COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[George Schick]

"For some it takes some acclimation to get used to the altitude if you are 
from sea level"

I'm not from sea level; I live at about 800 ft.  Nevertheless, when I woke 
up last Sunday morning I had an altitude headache.


On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 1:03:40 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:
>
> Hugh,
> Thanks for the compliments!! 
> I guess it depends where you live in Colorado Yes the eastern side of the 
> rockies is called "the front range"..The western side ( Grand Junction) is 
> called the Western Slope.That's what the weather people say on T.V.
> We in Larkspur are around 6825 FT. When you go over Monument hill it's 
> around 7200ft.
> When you see Patrick riding he rides somewhere around 7000 and 9000 FT. 
> For some it takes some acclimation to get used to the altitude if you are 
> from sea level.
> I love my Thumbies.I previously had bar ends on my tandem and I enjoy not 
> having to move my hand to the end of the bar to shift. When climbing and 
> want to shift my weight or just want a change of hand position I move my 
> hands forward of  the brake levers.
> You are in LAI lived in Long Beach for 20 years.
>
> On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 11:29:01 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Jon,
>>
>> Like the others say beautiful country!! It's roads like this that get me 
>> going. 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/in/photostream/ 
>>
>> I want to jump through the image and start riding. What's the elevation? 
>> So this area as Patrick calls it is the front range? I thought the Western 
>> side of the Rockies was the front range. Says the guy on the Western side :)
>>
>> The Sam looks gorgeous, curious how do you like the paul thumbies mounted 
>> on the Albatross bars? I found that they eliminated the wonderful hand 
>> position just fore of the brake mount. Did you have bar ends prior? Thanks 
>> for the post.
>>
>> One of these days I hope to ride Colorado.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:13:42 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
>> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since 
>>> adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn Medium 
>>> Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at 
>>> main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Michael Hechmer]

I am getting a thumping vibration from a front wheel at speeds above 25mph. 
 The wheel is nearly new with a White hub and Synergy rim.  The tire is a 
brand new Pari-Moto.  It was on my converted Trek 620.  I can't see any 
obvious cause and here's what I've done so far.

A visual inspection of the tire and wheel didn't show any obvious 
anomalies, so I checked the head set and decided to tighten it just a bit. 
 That didn't have any noticeable affect on the thump.  Then I swapped 
wheels with my Saluki, which also has pari-moto tires. Rode both bikes over 
the same short, hilly course.  The thump definitely went with the wheel. 
 Next I took the tire off.  Pari-motos go on very easily but are hard to 
get straight..  I put the wheel in my little Minoura  wheel stand.  It is 
perfectly round and nearly perfectly true.  I carefully remounted the tire, 
working to get it as perfectly straight as I can.  Then I put the wheel and 
tire up on the stand.  The tire moves in and out about 2-3 mm away from the 
side wall and about 2-3 mm away from round.  I retested it and still got 
the high speed vibration. 

?? Michael

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville and Ostrich bags

[franklyn]

The Ostrich bag has also been claimed pending payment. Thanks!

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 4:38:57 PM UTC-7, franklyn wrote:
>
> The small trunksack has been claimed pending payment. thanks
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 7:30:22 AM UTC-7, franklyn wrote:
>>
>> The XS saddlesack has been claimed. Price reduced for the two remaining 
>> bags 
>>
>> Trunksack is now $75 shipped, and the ostrich bag is $90 shipped 
>>
>> Best, 
>> Franklyn
>
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[RBW] Re: COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Hugh,
Thanks for the compliments!! 
I guess it depends where you live in Colorado Yes the eastern side of the 
rockies is called "the front range"..The western side ( Grand Junction) is 
called the Western Slope.That's what the weather people say on T.V.
We in Larkspur are around 6825 FT. When you go over Monument hill it's 
around 7200ft.
When you see Patrick riding he rides somewhere around 7000 and 9000 FT. For 
some it takes some acclimation to get used to the altitude if you are from 
sea level.
I love my Thumbies.I previously had bar ends on my tandem and I enjoy not 
having to move my hand to the end of the bar to shift. When climbing and 
want to shift my weight or just want a change of hand position I move my 
hands forward of  the brake levers.
You are in LAI lived in Long Beach for 20 years.

On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 11:29:01 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Like the others say beautiful country!! It's roads like this that get me 
> going. 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/in/photostream/ 
>
> I want to jump through the image and start riding. What's the elevation? 
> So this area as Patrick calls it is the front range? I thought the Western 
> side of the Rockies was the front range. Says the guy on the Western side :)
>
> The Sam looks gorgeous, curious how do you like the paul thumbies mounted 
> on the Albatross bars? I found that they eliminated the wonderful hand 
> position just fore of the brake mount. Did you have bar ends prior? Thanks 
> for the post.
>
> One of these days I hope to ride Colorado.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:13:42 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since 
>> adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn Medium 
>> Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at 
>> main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Early Morning Ride

[Jim Bronson]

Love your pics.  My dad was born and spent his early years right next door
in San Bernadino.  It's an area I enjoy visiting.

That being said, I wouldn't shy away from evening riding.  I find that I
like to force myself out of my comfort zone, and the more I do so, the more
comfortable I am in the extreme heat.  Sun sleeves would also work really
well in your very dry climate.

This year for us in Texas, it's more the humidity than the heat though,
some days don't even get out of the 80s but the air is so thick you could
cut it with a knife.   My sun sleeves are useless with this humidity, they
make me hotter than I would be otherwise.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:58 PM, cyclotourist 
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> Now that it's daily 100F here in Inland Southern California, my
> comfortable riding window is much narrower. Either early morning or
> early evening. Still warm in the evening, so that leaves morning as
> the only comfortable time. Finally got around to making it happen
> after thinking about it all week.
>
> Wake up at 5:30. Make an espresso, pump up the tires, out the door @
> 5:55. Spin around the hills till 6:45, then zip back down (topped out
> at 40.4MPH!) to be home by 7:00 when my spouse leaves for work. Worked
> out great and really enjoyed it. Will see if I can make it happen more
> than once!
>
> Best pic of the morning:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18891368025/in/photostream/lightbox/
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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Aaron Young]

Good to hear about the clean up crew.  This is what jumped to my mind upon
reading that:

http://youtu.be/TGVG4sKLkLs

If only it were this easy to clean up our messes.

Riv content: I'm pretty sure the tire on that moss-covered, three-handled,
family gredanza is a Fatty Rumpkin.

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thursday, June 18, 2015, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Thanks Brian for a reality check. Yes it will continue in some form.
>
> Update: On a reliable source I am told there is a small contingent
> traveling back down to do a clean up sweep and mend fences. The good
> outweighing the bad.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:08 PM, stonehog  > wrote:
>
>> I don't think this was a majority issue - there will always be outlaws in
>> the west, but I agree that most everyone I came across was respectful and
>> thankful for any shelter.  The ride isn't anywhere near ruined, it is an
>> unorganized gathering at best. The folks that ruined camping in a few spots
>> will not be allowed to kill the ride for the rest of us.
>>
>> We were all on our own, make no mistake. And you can and should do rides
>> like this at any time- you don't need the "organizer's" permission any more
>> than you need John Wesley Powell's permission to raft the Colorado.  Treat
>> all outdoors as if you are guests/owners (you are), and try to leave it in
>> better shape than you find it, but the worst thing is if folks abandon
>> these rides due to a few jerks. I will be back. Will also do other rides.
>> There will be rebirth (probably by next year). This is temporary, fixable
>> tragedy.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] The Death of the Oregon Outback.

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Brian for a reality check. Yes it will continue in some form.

Update: On a reliable source I am told there is a small contingent
traveling back down to do a clean up sweep and mend fences. The good
outweighing the bad.

Tail Winds,


~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/



On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:08 PM, stonehog  wrote:

> I don't think this was a majority issue - there will always be outlaws in
> the west, but I agree that most everyone I came across was respectful and
> thankful for any shelter.  The ride isn't anywhere near ruined, it is an
> unorganized gathering at best. The folks that ruined camping in a few spots
> will not be allowed to kill the ride for the rest of us.
>
> We were all on our own, make no mistake. And you can and should do rides
> like this at any time- you don't need the "organizer's" permission any more
> than you need John Wesley Powell's permission to raft the Colorado.  Treat
> all outdoors as if you are guests/owners (you are), and try to leave it in
> better shape than you find it, but the worst thing is if folks abandon
> these rides due to a few jerks. I will be back. Will also do other rides.
> There will be rebirth (probably by next year). This is temporary, fixable
> tragedy.
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: COUNTRY ROADS ON A COUNTRY BIKE

[hsmitham]

Jon,

Like the others say beautiful country!! It's roads like this that get me 
going. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/18840111256/in/photostream/ 

I want to jump through the image and start riding. What's the elevation? So 
this area as Patrick calls it is the front range? I thought the Western 
side of the Rockies was the front range. Says the guy on the Western side :)

The Sam looks gorgeous, curious how do you like the paul thumbies mounted 
on the Albatross bars? I found that they eliminated the wonderful hand 
position just fore of the brake mount. Did you have bar ends prior? Thanks 
for the post.

One of these days I hope to ride Colorado.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:13:42 AM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
foothills of Colorado wrote:
>
> Took the Sam out to the local roads of Larkspur and first ride since 
> adding a Pass & Stow front rack , med Basket, Med Shop Sack, & Acorn Medium 
> Saddle bag. Includes shots of downtown Larkspur. Note...three way stop at 
> main intersections..no traffic lights. Hope the photos open.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/
>

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Re: [RBW] Barlow Pass Burley

[Tony DeFilippo]

Jim, I'd be happy to.  Will try to do it tonight!

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Re: [RBW] Barlow Pass Burley

[Jim Bronson]

I have a Burley also, can you take some closeups of the vertical
clearance?  Interested in doing this also.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/06/barlow-pass-burley.html
>
> Yet another gushing, happy compass tire customer.  (at the price it's a
> good thing we're all delighted!)  I threw the 700x38 non extra light
> versions on my Burley Bossa Nova last week with the express purpose of
> making the bike a comfortable C&O Canal Towpath bike given my proximity.
> Worked out great, the conversion from 27 1/4 to 700c was without drama and
> my clearances still are excellent. I"ll be adding some Berthoud steel
> fenders next, I love how solid they are once mounted.  The tires act very
> similar to my EL Hetre's, they almost any pavement seem like fresh pavement
> and they make hardpack/gravel trails feel like regular pavement (if not
> better).  Nice upgrade from the 32mm Gatorskins I was running.
>
> My wife and I have enjoyed the tandem so much the past three weeks we've
> been getting out more and more.  Monday night in fact we got out for a
> quick ride to Jones Point Park (under the VA side of the Woodrow Wilson
> Bridge) and back and I nearly had a disaster when I clipped a parking
> barrier with my non-drive side pedal.  Luckily we were going slow but we
> ended up on our feet out of the saddle.  The bike didn't sound great on the
> way home and Erika's handlebars were out of place but we got home in one
> piece.  As the picture below show's though that slow speed collision, my
> weight (on the saddle) and her weight (on the handlebars) bent the Kalloy
> seatpost in an instant!  Good thing I had another.
>
> I re-tuned the drivetrain, replaced the seatpost and it seems ok. We'll
> have to get a test ride in over the weekend to make sure. Gotta keep the
> tandem rolling at all costs now that it has captured both of our attention!
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripsters and Birkenstocks

[Kieran J]

+1! My fav combo for hot weather riding. I even used both on a mixed 
terrain Manny ride last summer in SF. The Birks are not ideal for pushing a 
laden bike up a 45* scrabbley dirt incline, but they were awesome for 
everything else.

KJ


On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 11:11:02 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Tried this combination on the spur of the moment. I'm pleased to report it 
> worked surprisingly well.
>
> rod
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[RBW] Re: Barlow Pass Burley

[Ron Mc]

that's an extreme application - will be interested to know how the tires 
hold up.  Really looks nice.  Thanks for showing the photos.  

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 9:03:14 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/06/barlow-pass-burley.html
>
> Yet another gushing, happy compass tire customer.  (at the price it's a 
> good thing we're all delighted!)  I threw the 700x38 non extra light 
> versions on my Burley Bossa Nova last week with the express purpose of 
> making the bike a comfortable C&O Canal Towpath bike given my proximity. 
>  Worked out great, the conversion from 27 1/4 to 700c was without drama and 
> my clearances still are excellent. I"ll be adding some Berthoud steel 
> fenders next, I love how solid they are once mounted.  The tires act very 
> similar to my EL Hetre's, they almost any pavement seem like fresh pavement 
> and they make hardpack/gravel trails feel like regular pavement (if not 
> better).  Nice upgrade from the 32mm Gatorskins I was running. 
>
> My wife and I have enjoyed the tandem so much the past three weeks we've 
> been getting out more and more.  Monday night in fact we got out for a 
> quick ride to Jones Point Park (under the VA side of the Woodrow Wilson 
> Bridge) and back and I nearly had a disaster when I clipped a parking 
> barrier with my non-drive side pedal.  Luckily we were going slow but we 
> ended up on our feet out of the saddle.  The bike didn't sound great on the 
> way home and Erika's handlebars were out of place but we got home in one 
> piece.  As the picture below show's though that slow speed collision, my 
> weight (on the saddle) and her weight (on the handlebars) bent the Kalloy 
> seatpost in an instant!  Good thing I had another.
>
> I re-tuned the drivetrain, replaced the seatpost and it seems ok. We'll 
> have to get a test ride in over the weekend to make sure. Gotta keep the 
> tandem rolling at all costs now that it has captured both of our attention! 
>  
>
> Tony
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Bad post and good post...
>
>
>
>

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