[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Cecily Walker]

The thing that really made me realize it was time was not being able to 
ride my bike anymore. It was the last thing I had left (after being 
diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis), and it was a huge part of my mental 
wellness, as well as the only physical activity I could do with only a 
minimum amount of pain.  Things had been going downhill steadily for about 
two years, but not being able to ride my dream bike (my Betty Foy) was the 
event that made the decision for me.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:23:17 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
> Cecily, 
>
> My last easy bikepacking trip with my son has made me a whiny, whimpering 
> limper.   I have talked to a couple of folks here in town that have had 
> knee replacements that have said, "You'll know when it is time".  I will? 
>  I have had eleven or twelve surgeries on various injuries and am burned 
> out on going through the processUgh. I am now in knee conservation 
> mode. I only ride when I have to (without a car, it's still daily).  What 
> made you decide it was time? Your attitude is great!  I am excited for you! 
> Clayton
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:27:22 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let 
>> my muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
>>> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
>>> Clayton
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Mike Schiller]

Schwalbe has a low profile 40mm 650B knobby tire coming out this winter 
called the G-one   
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/road-reader/schwalbe-g-one.html

Looks like a good mixed terrain tire to me. And fairly light too unlike the 
Big Ben bricks.

~mike
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[RBW] Re: Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

[BSWP]

My *** is backup to my hatchet, which is backup to my acerbic wit... carry 
them all three, on any adventure, eh?

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 2:47:35 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
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>
> Gotta' be careful when you gesture with an ax... someone may gesture back 
> with a .45.
>
> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 2:26:20 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/two-people-get-into-fight-over-parking-spot-in-fairfax-one-pulls-out-a-hatchet/2015/10/22/6280916a-78ad-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html?wpisrc=nl_buzz
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Clems have shipped!

[Abcyclehank]

Ohh exciting, I think I see my wife's frame.  Have build ready to go having 
just secured 650b wheels and tires via trade with Preston Smith.

Sincerely,
Ryan "hope my wife starts riding again" Hankinson
Spring Lake, MI

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Re: [RBW] Clems have shipped!

[James Warren]

So is the convoy of trucks on the road to Colorado yet delivering Clems to DP? 
:-)

I'm looking forward to seeing photos of all the owners' new bikes in all their 
colors. But it'll make sense if the owners are too busy riding them. Enjoy the 
rides!

-Jim W.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Wayne Naha  wrote:
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> I just got an email from Riv informing me that my bike is on the way!  W00t!
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Re: [RBW] Rivelo Visit

[Aaron Young]

Hey, thanks for the shout out. It's always fun to meet list members in
person. :)

Aaron "in the flesh" Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Lynne Fitz  wrote:

> In which Lynne and Beth meet to coffeeneur, ride over the Tillikum Bridge,
> visit Rivelo and eat cheeseburgers.
>
> http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-coffee-with-beth.html
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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Zed Martinez]

Second day here too. Fingers crossed for both of us yet this week ;)


On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 8:12:11 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Hope that's how it goes. I ordered the day after they were announced, so 
> hopefully that gets me very close to the front of the line as well.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 6:59:04 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> When I talked to them they said they would be shipping them in order of 
>> when they were bought. So you must have been front of the line. 
>> They did say I was pretty close, so it should be pretty soon. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Can't wait to see pictures start popping up.  Maybe we need a dedicated 
thread for Clem pictures!



On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:12:11 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Hope that's how it goes. I ordered the day after they were announced, so 
> hopefully that gets me very close to the front of the line as well.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 6:59:04 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> When I talked to them they said they would be shipping them in order of 
>> when they were bought. So you must have been front of the line. 
>> They did say I was pretty close, so it should be pretty soon. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[David Banzer]

Hope that's how it goes. I ordered the day after they were announced, so 
hopefully that gets me very close to the front of the line as well.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 6:59:04 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
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> When I talked to them they said they would be shipping them in order of 
> when they were bought. So you must have been front of the line. 
> They did say I was pretty close, so it should be pretty soon. 

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[RBW] Clems have shipped!

[Edwin W]

When I talked to them they said they would be shipping them in order of when 
they were bought. So you must have been front of the line. 
They did say I was pretty close, so it should be pretty soon. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo Visit

[Lynne Fitz]

that burger was transcendent! Blue cheese and bacon on top.  Mmmm.

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[RBW] Clems have shipped!

[Wayne Naha]

I just got an email from Riv informing me that my bike is on the way!  W00t!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

[James Warren]

That would be a hasty thing to say to Quickbeam.


-Original Message-
>From: Steve Palincsar 

>
>But chopping wood isn't violence...
>
>

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[RBW] WTT: Medium Tan Saddlesack for Olive

[dstein]

I just got some HAR bags which were only available in Olive at the time. 
Looking to trade my Medium Tan Saddlesack for an Olive one to match. PM me 
if interested. I live in the Bay Area and can meetup if it helps to avoid 
shipping.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/22/2015 06:17 PM, dstein wrote:
So many uses for those hatchets, I need to get one for the bike AND 
the car now ;)


- D. "I am a pacifist do not condone violence in any way" Stein



But chopping wood isn't violence...



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[RBW] Re: Best rear support rack for med sadlesack?

[dstein]

I agree on not using a front rack like Mark's rack for this, I've tried it 
and the tombstone definitely gets in the way.

I'd be interested in checking out the Tubus racks mentioned.

The best and worst thing I've found are those Silver Hupes. They are 
absolutely perfect for holding a medium saddlesack, even filled to the brim 
with overnight camping gear, except, and a very big except at that, they 
scratch the crap out of your frame (if anyone has one for sale that has all 
the vinyl covering intact let me know, mine is falling off and causing more 
scratching). 


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[RBW] Re: Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

[dstein]

So many uses for those hatchets, I need to get one for the bike AND the car 
now ;)

- D. "I am a pacifist do not condone violence in any way" Stein

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[RBW] FS: Baggins Bag Little Joe

[Conway Bennett]

Like it says.  I like the look but it's not functional for day to day use here 
in Chicago.  Little dirty from wheel spatter but no holes and leather is good.  
I've only used it since spring and the previous owner didn't seem to have put 
many miles on it.  Figured I would offer it up here first before putting it on 
the auction site.  Co$t: what the market will bare but my buy it now would have 
been $150.

Fair winds,

Captain Conway

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[RBW] Re: Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Gotta' be careful when you gesture with an ax... someone may gesture back 
with a .45.



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>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/two-people-get-into-fight-over-parking-spot-in-fairfax-one-pulls-out-a-hatchet/2015/10/22/6280916a-78ad-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html?wpisrc=nl_buzz
>  
>
>
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[RBW] Two people get into fight over parking spot in Fairfax, one pulls out a hatchet

[Steve Palincsar]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/two-people-get-into-fight-over-parking-spot-in-fairfax-one-pulls-out-a-hatchet/2015/10/22/6280916a-78ad-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html?wpisrc=nl_buzz


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[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Ryan Fleming]

I sincerely hope both of you recover and get back on your bikesbut it 
is hard to be patient, I'm sure. Neither of you sound a bit like you are 
giving up though and that's good

Best of healing

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 10:23:17 AM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:
>
> Cecily, 
>
> My last easy bikepacking trip with my son has made me a whiny, whimpering 
> limper.   I have talked to a couple of folks here in town that have had 
> knee replacements that have said, "You'll know when it is time".  I will? 
>  I have had eleven or twelve surgeries on various injuries and am burned 
> out on going through the processUgh. I am now in knee conservation 
> mode. I only ride when I have to (without a car, it's still daily).  What 
> made you decide it was time? Your attitude is great!  I am excited for you! 
> Clayton
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:27:22 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let 
>> my muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
>>> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
>>> Clayton
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo Visit

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice!!  Was that burger as good as it looks?  ;)


On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 1:38:20 PM UTC-5, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> In which Lynne and Beth meet to coffeeneur, ride over the Tillikum Bridge, 
> visit Rivelo and eat cheeseburgers.
>
> http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-coffee-with-beth.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Lifeline 100 Century Ride with a twist Report

[Lungimsam]

Erl,

I saw the Lifeline 100 ad on a banner when I was out on a ride on the B&A 
Trail.
My friend told me about Six Pillars and Seagull. Tour Du Port, Tour Dem 
Parks, and the Firefighter 50 rides.
Some online resources are:
http://www.baltobikeclub.org/
and https://www.bikemaryland.org/calendar/
and http://www.potomacpedalers.org/events/event_list.asp?group=112404
and http://www.civilwarcentury.com/
also http://www.ohbike.org/events/
and http://www.bikeacentury.com/maryland/
and http://www.seagullcentury.org/
also https://randoramble.wordpress.com/
http://bikeaaa.org/lifeline-100/

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[RBW] Rivelo Visit

[Lynne Fitz]

In which Lynne and Beth meet to coffeeneur, ride over the Tillikum Bridge, 
visit Rivelo and eat cheeseburgers.

http://lynnerides.blogspot.com/2015/10/coffeeneuring-coffee-with-beth.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[David]

Thanks, Hugh, appreciate your thoughts. 

On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 11:01:48 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> David,
>
> I think Jeffery nailed it. For my Hilsen the Cazadero's are pretty much 
> it. I think the R&R's are a mm too large. Waiting on a set of Cazadero's to 
> mount soon. I wish there were more options but as Jeffery said above the 
> 27+ has taken over, were in a pocket universe for cross type tires in this 
> width. 
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Oct 22, 2015 10:52 AM, "David" > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugn, nope not running the Cazaderos.  Nothing against them one bit, 
>> just looking to see how broad the selection is out there, see if I'm 
>> overlooking anything... and if the selection really is only the Caz and the 
>> R&R, well, then, that's wayyy fewer options than I'd hoped.  Thanks.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 9:27:36 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> David, 
>>>
>>> Are you already running the Cazadero's? If yes what's your opinion of 
>>> them and if your not running them, what would you have against them? 
>>> Inquiring minds and such. 
>>>
>>> ~Hugn 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> n Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote: 
>>> > Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby 
>>> tire under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.   
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Hugh Smitham]

David,

I think Jeffery nailed it. For my Hilsen the Cazadero's are pretty much it.
I think the R&R's are a mm too large. Waiting on a set of Cazadero's to
mount soon. I wish there were more options but as Jeffery said above the
27+ has taken over, were in a pocket universe for cross type tires in this
width.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Oct 22, 2015 10:52 AM, "David"  wrote:

> Hi Hugn, nope not running the Cazaderos.  Nothing against them one bit,
> just looking to see how broad the selection is out there, see if I'm
> overlooking anything... and if the selection really is only the Caz and the
> R&R, well, then, that's wayyy fewer options than I'd hoped.  Thanks.
>
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 9:27:36 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Are you already running the Cazadero's? If yes what's your opinion of
>> them and if your not running them, what would you have against them?
>> Inquiring minds and such.
>>
>> ~Hugn
>>
>>
>>
>> n Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote:
>> > Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby
>> tire under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[David]

Hi Hugn, nope not running the Cazaderos.  Nothing against them one bit, 
just looking to see how broad the selection is out there, see if I'm 
overlooking anything... and if the selection really is only the Caz and the 
R&R, well, then, that's wayyy fewer options than I'd hoped.  Thanks.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 9:27:36 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> David, 
>
> Are you already running the Cazadero's? If yes what's your opinion of them 
> and if your not running them, what would you have against them? Inquiring 
> minds and such. 
>
> ~Hugn 
>
>
>
> n Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-7, David wrote: 
> > Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby 
> tire under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.   
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Toby Whitfield]

I use a front porteur type carrier with a big Wald on a high trail bicycle. I 
originally got it when I put my daughter in a seat on the rear rack, and 
couldn't use my rear rack, or a backpack because it was in her face. I have a 
longish bicycle, though not Clem long. It works fine. I have even put 
significant weight in it. It takes a while to get used to the steering, and the 
steering isn't as quick, but I am fine with it on city streets. It did take me 
a while to get used to it, and early on I had some wobbly moments. But, it is 
ok now that I have used it for a while. I still don't load it up much if my 
daughter is in the back - I want to be able to steer well with her, but with 
her lightly loaded daycare bag and my work bag it is fine, and even a little 
nice to have some weight up front to balance the load. 

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[David Banzer]

Not sure if it falls under "knobby/cross" but the lowly Panaracer Col de la 
Vie does have more of a micro knob tread, not too unlike some of the file 
tread tires that have come out. About 35mm actual or slightly wider 
depending on rim. I used them when I first did a 650b conversions, did some 
long mixed terrain rides on them, and felt they did pretty good on gravel 
sections with pressures lowered a bit.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-5, David wrote:
>
> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Best rear support rack for med sadlesack?

[Ginz]

I'm skeptical that the rack in the original post would work, especially 
since the fender boss in the hunq's seatstay bridge faces the axle (i.e., 
points downwards). 

With a Mark's rack, don't forget that the tombstone might hit your saddle 
rails, depending on your frame size and your saddle height.

In my opinion the best choice is a minimal rear rack like a Tubus Fly or 
Airy, if it can accommodate your tire size and/or fenders.  Another option 
is the Nitto R10.

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[RBW] Re: Visiting the E. Bay & NM

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks for these invitations.  However, I had something more relaxed, more 
of an opportunity to meet and greet, a relaxed 25 miles.  I'd like to add 
some personal contact to the electronic friendships.  Also a longer ride 
across the bay would be harder to organize around family activities.

Michael

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 5:58:13 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> On Wed. 10/21, well before dawn,  I will head to El Cerrito Ca. to visit 
> my son & granddaughter.  On 11/6 I fly to Albuquerque for a conference at 
> the Hyatt Regency in Bernalillo.  I am bringing my S&S coupled Trek 
> 620/650B with me.  I will be spending most of my time in Ca. with my 
> granddaughter, Xingyue, but would welcome the opportunity to ride or just 
> visit with people on this list whom I know only electronically.
>
> In NM, I think the conference ends on Sunday 10/8  at 2:00 and my flight 
> leaves at 11:59 PM.  I'm still not sure how I am going to get from 
> Bernalillo to Albuquerque.  I could bring my bike to NM if there was 
> something worth the time putting it together and repacking it.  If not, I 
> would probably ship it home.  Even if there is not a ride in the offing, an 
> afternoon visit & dinner could be enjoyable.
>
> Michael
> It's snowing in Westford, Vt, but still OK foiage.
>

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[RBW] WTT Acorn Handlebar bag for Marks Rack

[Frank Brose]

I have two Acorn Handlebar bags one ranger tan and one black (
http://www.acornbags.com/collections/front-bags/products/handlebar-bag) 
 Both are like new condition. Mounted but only seen the outdoors once or 
twice. I'd like to trade one , your choice of color for a Marks Rack for a 
winter project. I know it's a long shot but have to at least try. Please 
reply off list.
Thanks,
Frank

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Ron Mc]

The nice thing about the long wheelbase is it puts the rear rack well away 
from your thighs.  On my daughter's first full-size bike (China motobecane 
from Dallas warehouse), I mounted a Tubus Vega with very long stays



it's rock-solid

I agree with Bill about dealing with Rivendell to work out Clem rack 
details - they'll already have all the answers.  


On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 4:32:27 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> With regards to the geometry of the Clem, particularly the chain stay 
> length, does anyone anticipate trouble fitting a rear rack on their Clem? 
>  I'm thinking that because of the extra chain stay length, any rear rack 
> mounting would be a bit more unwieldily, having more sway.  Thoughts?
>
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[RBW] Re: Lifeline 100 Century Ride with a twist Report

[WETH]

Michael,
Thanks for all of those.  Where do you find out about these? Is there a 
website the lists these rides by region?
I hope to do a few next year and will keep you posted.
With appreciation,
Erl

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 11:12:49 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> WETH (Erl?),
>
> Thanks. It is a fun ride and quite picturesque in Annapolis. A Riv meetup 
> on the B&A trail and a lunch trip to Annapolis would be cool. They have a 
> neat market place there, though I didn't get too detailed a look. Looks 
> like a lot to choose from.
>
> It is a very nice century.
>
> Other MD centuries:
> The Seagull Century(October), and Six Pillars Century (May) are two other 
> nice Maryland Centuries. Dead flat. Lots of fun with a party-ish atmosphere 
> at the start of the Seagull.
>
> The Indian Head 100, in Southern, MD, is also nice and in the 3,000-ish 
> foot range, so that's another easy-ish century, similar to the Lifeline, 
> but more country roads. Lifeline is more a mix of downtown Annapolis and 
> suburban and country riding, and the 30 miles of beautiful paved MUP, with 
> an Emu sighting near the airport if you look carefully and it comes out to 
> the fence line to watch you ride by.
>
> I haven't done the Civil War Century yet. I hear the climbing is brutal. 
> But the Metric route stays in the valleys and you just look at the 
> mountains. The Metric sounds like fun.
>
> If you are doing any of them next year let me know.
>

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[Philip Kim]

used to run r n r's 650b. They were really great tires. I had to modify my 
fender set up to get them to fit, but ultimately wanted something more 
volume.

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Garth]

  Wayne, as for the link, I wouldn't count on the photo as being absolute 
.  As always, a call or email to confirm it is indeed the current model 
w/struts is all that is needed. I see other websites of this rack using old 
photos as well, btw. 

   As far as the trail of fork in regards to a front load , it's just not 
that simple as the "formula" so to speak you speak of .  I used to be a 100 
percent back loader , but never really like it , it just seemed kinda "off" 
in the sense of the balance of weight is already on the rear wheel so "why 
am I adding more" ?  When I got a Bombadil and I started using a front rack 
it was quickly apparent how much I preferred front loads. Now, my "loads" 
are not really heavy at all, but notable enough .  The difference is more 
like a sensation of "pushing" the front end instead of the sensation like 
on a boat with a rear motor where the front end is very light , as what I 
had ridden most of my life.  It's just a matter of preference really.  I 
have the Nitto 2-strut front rack on my other bike which is a "traditional" 
road-sport type geometry and it too feels better to me with the front rack 
.  All this leaves me to go for bigger front racks !  

   I'd forget the generalizations about this bike and this fork is for back 
loading and front loading etc. etc.  Everyone's sense of balance front-rear 
is unique and no matter even the intent of the bike designer , no design is 
absolutely or even close to the same for anyone , no matter what anyone 
says or agrees to .  Go with what you want , from your heart .  .  . . 
forget about your "head" and LIVE ! 
   


On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 8:02:44 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Just when I thought that having a mid-to-high trail fork would rule out 
> any substantive front loads, now the Clem's long front-center is ruling 
> them back in!  What to make of it all?  I do like the look and 
> functionality of the front porteur type rack, but had despaired of mounting 
> one on the Clem due to the front fork having too much trail.  It's really 
> confusing.  Probably I'm over thinking it.  I bet a porteur rack would work 
> just fine.
> And yes, price is an important consideration.  I fully get that paying for 
> quality stings but once, and that shoddy items are a constant pain. 
>  Obviously, the item must preform it's function.  But if VO's Dajia 
> Cycleworks rack can do the job of the Nitto rack costing twice as much, 
> then the Dajia rack wins my dollars.  The real question is, can the Dajia 
> actually do the same job as the Nitto.
> While it does seem to be a good deal, the Soma rack linked to does not 
> seem to have the updated feature of added struts that the porteur rack 
> being sold on the Soma site does.  But even at full price, it's a 
> reasonable choice.
>
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 1:42:53 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>
>>   
>>   As an observer of the bike , with a long front-center it seems to 
>> scream "front rack" .  It would help out the weight balance overall 
>> front-rear. A porteur would be great !  I'd chose the Soma Deluxe SS over 
>> the VO as the Soma has the added fork struts for stabilization. 
>>
>>  I've seen it w/o fence for as little as $132 .  
>> http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-23468-soma-porteur-front-cargo-rack.aspx?variantID=75661&gclid=Cj0KEQjw75yxBRD78uqEnuG-5vcBEiQAQbaxSPCjvPccINhO7rX30zjW6B7a1uKjg5TU9jbSTtPt85kaAs7h8P8HAQ
>>
>> As far as "the price"  really ?  These are one-time and long-time 
>> purchases ,* if you get what you want first.  *If you don't get what you 
>> want, you end up dissatisfied and end up spending more later on something 
>> else . * Get what you really want the first time *:) 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cross/knobby 650B tires

[jeffrey kane]

Search away .. but none you will find. I wish someone would prove me wrong, 
though. 

For a minute I really thought that would be the next direction in 650b 
tires: WTB's, Challenge, etc. .. but it looks like the Plus (+) craze has 
shifted the market away. First came the 29's, then 27.5's and even now with 
26" offerings -- sometimes specifically matched to new bike models, even. 
Not that this is a bad thing or that R n' R's aren't pretty darn good tires 
(haven't tried the Cazadero). However, if your frame wants 38's and not 
bigger then as far as I can see we're all #$@* out of luck.

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 5:53:42 PM UTC-4, David wrote:
>
> Wondering if the group has an opinion or preference on a 650B knobby tire 
> under 42mm and other than the Soma Cazadero.  Thanks for your time.  
>

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