Re: [RBW] Hope You Heal Soon

[hsmitham]

The other day on my usual ride, as always I cross the road and head in the 
opposite direction of traffic briefly making a quick left onto a dirt path. 
On this occasion a fellow in a car was looking down while driving and 
veered off the road and was headed straight for me, I was just about to 
bail when his head popped back up and he quickly made it back on the road! 
Point is there's a lot of distracted driving and cyclists will undoubtedly 
lose in any collision. Stay vigilant out there folks.

I'm just glad that this accident didn't end in a tragic way. I hope Jan has 
a speedy recovery and no lasting long term effects from these injuries.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh  

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, truegolden wrote:
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/i-was-lucky-but-still/
>  
> I did not see this posted here today but saw it on the ibob list.
> Apologies if it was posted and this is a duplicate.
>  
> Adding my prayers for healing and strength to bear up during the process 
> for Jan as well as his family
> during the holidays.
>  
> Paul in Dallas
>  
>  
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Max Tooth Cog on an 8 speed Deore XT Rear Derrailer?

[Steven Sweedler]

Ryan, I shift a 9 speed with a 36 T, the 32-36 combo works perfectly, the
20-36 needs a longer B limit screw but I still use it. Steve

On Sunday, November 22, 2015, Ryan Ray  wrote:

>
> http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Deore_XT_derailleur_(M739_SGS).html
>
> Says 32 officially. Anyone know if 34 will work? (friction mode)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[jeffrey kane]

Patrick, nice work on the HB pics -- now I really can't wait to get my hands on 
one. 

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[RBW] Re: The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[David Person]

It was great of Hugh to take the time to do a nice write-up of our meet up 
yesterday.  Probably spent as much time talking (bikes and life) as riding.  
I'm glad we were able to hook up.

Minh, the fenders are SKS P50s.

David P.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Patrick Kelly]

I went back to riv HQ today to try out the proto-joe. It's officially
a size too small for me, but it was fun to ride around. I took a bunch
of photos of the new bar, hoping to better show the shape. (All
uploaded, unedited, link below.) For myself, I expect I'll be mounting
the shifters and brakes further forward, and I'm not superkeen on the
grips. The bar tape was added last weekend by Grant.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157661494430745

I forgot to ask about the butterscotch/sky blue color samples. I
wanted to view them in person, but I completely forgot when I was at
the shop. Duh.

cheerios

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> I guess I would start off with stating the obvious that small bikes with
> large tires are incredibly difficult to design and fit.  That's a fact.  But
> I'm not suggesting anything about which size Appaloosa you should buy your
> wife.  I only wanted to bottom out on what about the BB drop had thrown you
> for a loop.  It sounds like it would be useful to draw your four bikes all
> on top of each other on a big piece of paper.
>
> 1.  Rambouillet
> 2.  XO-1
> 3.  46 Appa
> 4.  51 Appa
>
> Grant did a great step by step frame drawing exercise on the predecessor of
> the BLUG.  Maybe somebody has it archived.  That would be a great exercise
> for you to walk through, possibly.  Otherwise, if you are eager to buy an
> Appaloosa on the pre-sale, then at least talk it over with Riv.  Let me know
> if you want help drawing your bikes.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> I guess I get that explanation.  And that would probably suggest that the
>> 46 might be the best choice.  The on-the-bike fit would feel familiar, even
>> though the seatpost would be extended a lot further than I currently
>> perceive as "correct," and she'd be higher in the air (the whole point of
>> doing this would be specifically to get her on significantly fatter tires,
>> so she can carry more and ride more comfortably on rougher roads), and there
>> would also be way more standover clearance than she needs. Hopefully, the
>> sloped top tube would yield a higher headtube than the 50 Ram, so that her
>> stem could even extend a little less.  The 51, on the other hand, might not
>> give her enough standover clearance.  Since there are (intentionally?) no
>> standover heights listed, its hard to know for sure.  You guys who can
>> test-ride are fortunate.
>>
>> I guess, now that you point out the error of my thinking, what I'm really
>> still having trouble with is trying to relate the new limited/expanded
>> sizing system to the old system that had more increments and, in this case,
>> looking incorrectly to the bottom bracket drop and standover height for
>> explanations as to why they fit so differently.  That's been hard enough to
>> understand even for me, but even harder trying to speculate on her behalf
>> since she doesn't think about this stuff enough to be able to articulate
>> what works and what doesn't.
>>
>> I've long felt like I had a good handle on what her next Rivendell would
>> be, based on this current bike that fits fairly well, combined with the
>> thought that I could ratchet it UP one more small increment.   But I
>> probably just need to let go of those preconceptions.  Not unlike my old WTB
>> phoenix which, numerically, is 3" or more smaller than would fit me on any
>> other bike of the era but actually works great, maybe the way to properly
>> size a Rivendell nowadays is NOT to get the biggest frame you can straddle.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 10:42:49 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, so since your small roadish 559 wheeled Rambouillet has 55mm of drop,
>>> then all other Rivendells with 559 wheels throw you for a loop, because all
>>> of those bikes take wider tires and all of them have 55-57mm of drop?  I'm
>>> with Grant that fit is about how your body fits in relation to the bike when
>>> you are riding.  BB drop effects how my body fits in relation to the bike.
>>> BB drop is about fit.  Tire size changes standover, to be sure, but tire
>>> size does not affect fit, in my opinion.  BB height is about clearances:
>>> your pedals striking the ground, and your crotch to the top tube.  These are
>>> clearance issues, not fit issues, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> I know about the "on the bike" vs "in the bike" feel.  That handling feel
>>> is about how the rider's body is positioned relative to the bike while
>>> riding, in my opinion.  It is not about how your center of mass is
>>> positioned above the ground, in my opinion.  Jan Heine and Grant are the two
>>> who folks on this group tend to respect the most.  Jan thinks BB height and
>>> BB drop don't matter at all.  Grant thinks BB drop should be as low as
>>> practically possible for the minimum tire width, and that you shouldn't get
>>> too hung up about standover.
>>>
>>> More directly to the point.  Have you ever 

[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[ian m]

I went with SKS P50 on my Clem w/ 650b Schwalbe lil Big Ben. Coverage is fine 
but definitely couldn't go with a wider tire

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Re: [RBW] Re: Max Tooth Cog on an 8 speed Deore XT Rear Derrailer?

[Ryan Ray]

I really want to get a 36 and see if it works. Thanks for the responses.

I picked up an almost new one today to start downgrading from indexed 10 to 
friction 8. 10 speed chains are just to dainty for me. 

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Re: [RBW] Hope You Heal Soon

[Matthew J]

Bad news and unfortunately all too typical.

Left turning cars into cyclists and pedestrians who have the right or way 
are the number one cause of serious injury and deadly encounters us 
non-mechanized travelers have with autos.

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 6:16:25 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>
> Wow!  That sounds like a pretty hairy crash.  I had to chuckle at his 
> observation that all the bones would heal at the same time.  Good luck with 
> the rehab.
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, truegolden wrote:
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/i-was-lucky-but-still/
>>  
>> I did not see this posted here today but saw it on the ibob list.
>> Apologies if it was posted and this is a duplicate.
>>  
>> Adding my prayers for healing and strength to bear up during the process 
>> for Jan as well as his family
>> during the holidays.
>>  
>> Paul in Dallas
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Max Tooth Cog on an 8 speed Deore XT Rear Derrailer?

[James Warren]

I even go 36.


On Nov 21, 2015, at 4:21 PM, dougP wrote:

> Shimano is conservative about such things.  If it says 32 you can likely go 
> 34.  My Atlantis came with a Deore XT & easily cleared a 32.  Never ran a 34 
> until after I'd worn it out & replaced with a Microshift.  If it doesn't 
> clear the 34 with the supplied "B" screw turned all the way in, you can 
> always put in a longer one.  Sheldon has something about that on his site 
> under "rear derailers".
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:32:01 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
> http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Deore_XT_derailleur_(M739_SGS).html
> 
> Says 32 officially. Anyone know if 34 will work? (friction mode)
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[RBW] Re: The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[Deacon Patrick]

Every day I can, it is a wondrous gift of healing to get out on a ride, no 
matter if a mile or a hundred!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 1:29:50 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Yep here 
> 
>  
> it is.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: Max Tooth Cog on an 8 speed Deore XT Rear Derrailer?

[dougP]

Come to think of it, a buddy runs an 11-34 8 speed with a low end Shimano 
RD.  Don't recall what but it's nothing even close to Deore XT grade.  
Worth a shot.

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:32:01 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
>
> http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Deore_XT_derailleur_(M739_SGS).html
>
> Says 32 officially. Anyone know if 34 will work? (friction mode)
>

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[RBW] Re: Max Tooth Cog on an 8 speed Deore XT Rear Derrailer?

[dougP]

Shimano is conservative about such things.  If it says 32 you can likely go 
34.  My Atlantis came with a Deore XT & easily cleared a 32.  Never ran a 
34 until after I'd worn it out & replaced with a Microshift.  If it doesn't 
clear the 34 with the supplied "B" screw turned all the way in, you can 
always put in a longer one.  Sheldon has something about that on his site 
under "rear derailers".

dougP

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:32:01 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
>
> http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Deore_XT_derailleur_(M739_SGS).html
>
> Says 32 officially. Anyone know if 34 will work? (friction mode)
>

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Re: [RBW] Hope You Heal Soon

[dougP]

Wow!  That sounds like a pretty hairy crash.  I had to chuckle at his 
observation that all the bones would heal at the same time.  Good luck with 
the rehab.

dougP

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, truegolden wrote:
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/i-was-lucky-but-still/
>  
> I did not see this posted here today but saw it on the ibob list.
> Apologies if it was posted and this is a duplicate.
>  
> Adding my prayers for healing and strength to bear up during the process 
> for Jan as well as his family
> during the holidays.
>  
> Paul in Dallas
>  
>  
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[dougP]

In addition to healing power, bicycling can be good preventative medicine.  
When I had a heart attack, the paramedics couldn't understand my pulse & BP 
because they didn't jive for someone having a heart attack.  Since it's 
obvious I don't spend any time at the gym, they asked what I did for 
fitness, & I told them "ride my bike a lot".  I credit bicycling with 
literally saving my life.  As crappy as it is, my heart was still in decent 
enough shape to survive, all because of bicycling.  

PS:  For years I'd promised myself a nice touring bike after my kids 
graduated college, etc.  After surviving my "cardiac even" (love those 
medical euphemisms), once I got back into decent shape I ordered my 
Atlantis; screw waiting.  

dougP

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:29:50 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Yep here 
> 
>  
> it is.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I first got the bug to get an adult bike in about 1993-1994.  With my usual 
obsessiveness I spent more than a year researching bicycles and bicycling. 
 I bought a book in 1995 that was written by an Englishman who I believe 
was editor of Bicycling at the time and it was full of stories about people 
who literally got their lives back by riding a bicycle.  At the time, I was 
struggling with my weight and that book convinced me to buy my first bike, 
a Trek.  I lost a ton of weight and  was the healthiest I've ever been, as 
long as I rode my bike almost every day.   

If anyone here knows who Duff McKagan is (bass player for Guns N' Roses), 
he has an autobiography called "It's So Easy" and he came as close to 
drinking himself to death as is possible. When he got out of the hospital 
and continued his detox process, he found an old mountain bike in his 
garage and began riding it every day, all day long.  He went on to add 
literature and martial arts to his life but he credits that old mountain 
bike with making it possible for him to begin to live again.  If anyone is 
interested in the Rock & Roll lifestyle and redemption, I highly recommend 
Duff's book.  



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>
> Yep here 
> 
>  
> it is.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Hope You Heal Soon

[true]

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/11/21/i-was-lucky-but-still/

I did not see this posted here today but saw it on the ibob list.
Apologies if it was posted and this is a duplicate.

Adding my prayers for healing and strength to bear up during the process for 
Jan as well as his family
during the holidays.

Paul in Dallas



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[RBW] Max Tooth Cog on an 8 speed Deore XT Rear Derrailer?

[Ryan Ray]

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Deore_XT_derailleur_(M739_SGS).html

Says 32 officially. Anyone know if 34 will work? (friction mode)

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Re: [RBW] The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Steve,

Thanks man. The beer is a nice touch and if I wasn't off to a wedding
shortly I'd be joining you in the same endeavor. Glad you liked the post.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 3:12 PM, islaysteve  wrote:

> Hugh and David, thanks for the inspiring story and great pictures of a
> beautiful bike.  As I sit reading, beer in hand, I'm resting from a few
> hours spent working on my Bleriot, trying to sort out stubborn shifters.
> Your post is indeed healing.  Cheers, Steve
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[RBW] The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[islaysteve]

Hugh and David, thanks for the inspiring story and great pictures of a 
beautiful bike.  As I sit reading, beer in hand, I'm resting from a few hours 
spent working on my Bleriot, trying to sort out stubborn shifters.  Your post 
is indeed healing.  Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Retro Electronics

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha.  Very good find.  My mom handed me a box of my old stuff in her 
house, and my old CC-1000 was in there.  I put in two new AA batteries (you 
heard me!) and it fired right up.  I'm not sure what I'll do with it, but 
I'm keeping it.  

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 2:30:19 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I know some of the folks on this list like “retro” stuff, so here’s 
> something I spotted on my ride today:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/ALzm8c 
>
> I used to own one of these back in the early 80s—in fact, I think it was 
> my first cyclocomputer. It was simple, and it only allowed you to input a 
> handful of wheel sizes (not the exact diameter of your wheels), but it was 
> a sturdy little unit. Still, I’m surprised to see one actually in 
> use—certainly a testament to the robust design from CatEye’s engineers.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
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[RBW] Retro Electronics

[Eric Norris]

I know some of the folks on this list like “retro” stuff, so here’s something I 
spotted on my ride today:

https://flic.kr/p/ALzm8c  

I used to own one of these back in the early 80s—in fact, I think it was my 
first cyclocomputer. It was simple, and it only allowed you to input a handful 
of wheel sizes (not the exact diameter of your wheels), but it was a sturdy 
little unit. Still, I’m surprised to see one actually in use—certainly a 
testament to the robust design from CatEye’s engineers.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Bill Lindsay]

I guess I would start off with stating the obvious that small bikes with 
large tires are incredibly difficult to design and fit.  That's a fact.  
But I'm not suggesting anything about which size Appaloosa you should buy 
your wife.  I only wanted to bottom out on what about the BB drop had 
thrown you for a loop.  It sounds like it would be useful to draw your four 
bikes all on top of each other on a big piece of paper.  

1.  Rambouillet
2.  XO-1
3.  46 Appa
4.  51 Appa

Grant did a great step by step frame drawing exercise on the predecessor of 
the BLUG.  Maybe somebody has it archived.  That would be a great exercise 
for you to walk through, possibly.  Otherwise, if you are eager to buy an 
Appaloosa on the pre-sale, then at least talk it over with Riv.  Let me 
know if you want help drawing your bikes.  

Bill

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:32:39 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I guess I get that explanation.  And that would probably suggest that the 
> 46 might be the best choice.  The on-the-bike fit would feel familiar, even 
> though the seatpost would be extended a *lot* further than I currently 
> perceive as "correct," and she'd be higher in the air (the whole point of 
> doing this would be specifically to get her on significantly fatter tires, 
> so she can carry more and ride more comfortably on rougher roads), and 
> there would also be way more standover clearance than she needs. Hopefully, 
> the sloped top tube would yield a higher headtube than the 50 Ram, so that 
> her stem could even extend a little less.  The 51, on the other hand, might 
> not give her *enough* standover clearance.  Since there are 
> (intentionally?) no standover heights listed, its hard to know for sure. 
>  You guys who can test-ride are fortunate.
>
> I guess, now that you point out the error of my thinking, what I'm really 
> still having trouble with is trying to relate the new limited/expanded 
> sizing system to the old system that had more increments and, in this case, 
> looking incorrectly to the bottom bracket drop and standover height for 
> explanations as to why they fit so differently.  That's been hard enough to 
> understand even for me, but even harder trying to speculate on her behalf 
> since she doesn't think about this stuff enough to be able to articulate 
> what works and what doesn't.  
>
> I've long felt like I had a good handle on what her next Rivendell would 
> be, based on this current bike that fits fairly well, combined with the 
> thought that I could ratchet it UP one more small increment.   But I 
> probably just need to let go of those preconceptions.  Not unlike my old 
> WTB phoenix which, numerically, is 3" or more smaller than would fit me on 
> any other bike of the era but actually works great, maybe the way to 
> properly size a Rivendell nowadays is NOT to get the biggest frame you can 
> straddle.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 10:42:49 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> OK, so since your small roadish 559 wheeled Rambouillet has 55mm of drop, 
>> then all other Rivendells with 559 wheels throw you for a loop, because all 
>> of those bikes take wider tires and all of them have 55-57mm of drop?  I'm 
>> with Grant that fit is about how your body fits in relation to the bike 
>> when you are riding.  BB drop effects how my body fits in relation to the 
>> bike.  BB drop is about fit.  Tire size changes standover, to be sure, but 
>> tire size does not affect fit, in my opinion.  BB height is about 
>> clearances: your pedals striking the ground, and your crotch to the top 
>> tube.  These are clearance issues, not fit issues, in my opinion.  
>>
>> I know about the "on the bike" vs "in the bike" feel.  That handling feel 
>> is about how the rider's body is positioned relative to the bike while 
>> riding, in my opinion.  It is not about how your center of mass is 
>> positioned above the ground, in my opinion.  Jan Heine and Grant are the 
>> two who folks on this group tend to respect the most.  Jan thinks BB height 
>> and BB drop don't matter at all.  Grant thinks BB drop should be as low as 
>> practically possible for the minimum tire width, and that you shouldn't get 
>> too hung up about standover.  
>>
>> More directly to the point.  Have you ever seen a 559-wheeled frame with 
>> more that 57mm of drop?  The Surly Long Haul Trucker 26", a dedicated 
>> touring bike, has only 47mm of drop.  Maybe Alex Wetmore's Travel Gifford 
>> with 26" wheels might have more drop, and the category that has inspired: 
>> the All-Road Enduro, may evolve with 65-70mm of drop and will only work 
>> with Rat Trap Pass tires.  But I don't know of anything off the shelf that 
>> will do that for you.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Wood]

Ha! Yup, my yellow lab is crazy for that thing! And in looking at the photos 
again I should have maybe picked a less busy back drop, but they were in haste. 

Anyway, that's a generous offer, no pressure tho if you want to go through with 
your order. I'll PM you later this weekend and we can talk details. 

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[RBW] The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[Minh]

Berthoud fenders?  I'm have a set of Barlow passes on the shelf for my hill 
borne so looking at fender options.  

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[RBW] The healing power of the bicycle a Rivendell story.

[hsmitham]

Yep here 

 
it is.

Tail Winds,

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[RBW] FT: Curious About The Bosco?

[Tim Wood]

Hey ant ritchey, thanks for the offer. I did a bit of research on both bars and 
I think I'm going to hold out for an Alba. Also hoping for a tallux but the 
deluxe may work. Thanks again. 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[iamkeith]

I guess I get that explanation.  And that would probably suggest that the 
46 might be the best choice.  The on-the-bike fit would feel familiar, even 
though the seatpost would be extended a *lot* further than I currently 
perceive as "correct," and she'd be higher in the air (the whole point of 
doing this would be specifically to get her on significantly fatter tires, 
so she can carry more and ride more comfortably on rougher roads), and 
there would also be way more standover clearance than she needs. Hopefully, 
the sloped top tube would yield a higher headtube than the 50 Ram, so that 
her stem could even extend a little less.  The 51, on the other hand, might 
not give her *enough* standover clearance.  Since there are 
(intentionally?) no standover heights listed, its hard to know for sure. 
 You guys who can test-ride are fortunate.

I guess, now that you point out the error of my thinking, what I'm really 
still having trouble with is trying to relate the new limited/expanded 
sizing system to the old system that had more increments and, in this case, 
looking incorrectly to the bottom bracket drop and standover height for 
explanations as to why they fit so differently.  That's been hard enough to 
understand even for me, but even harder trying to speculate on her behalf 
since she doesn't think about this stuff enough to be able to articulate 
what works and what doesn't.  

I've long felt like I had a good handle on what her next Rivendell would 
be, based on this current bike that fits fairly well, combined with the 
thought that I could ratchet it UP one more small increment.   But I 
probably just need to let go of those preconceptions.  Not unlike my old 
WTB phoenix which, numerically, is 3" or more smaller than would fit me on 
any other bike of the era but actually works great, maybe the way to 
properly size a Rivendell nowadays is NOT to get the biggest frame you can 
straddle.


On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 10:42:49 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> OK, so since your small roadish 559 wheeled Rambouillet has 55mm of drop, 
> then all other Rivendells with 559 wheels throw you for a loop, because all 
> of those bikes take wider tires and all of them have 55-57mm of drop?  I'm 
> with Grant that fit is about how your body fits in relation to the bike 
> when you are riding.  BB drop effects how my body fits in relation to the 
> bike.  BB drop is about fit.  Tire size changes standover, to be sure, but 
> tire size does not affect fit, in my opinion.  BB height is about 
> clearances: your pedals striking the ground, and your crotch to the top 
> tube.  These are clearance issues, not fit issues, in my opinion.  
>
> I know about the "on the bike" vs "in the bike" feel.  That handling feel 
> is about how the rider's body is positioned relative to the bike while 
> riding, in my opinion.  It is not about how your center of mass is 
> positioned above the ground, in my opinion.  Jan Heine and Grant are the 
> two who folks on this group tend to respect the most.  Jan thinks BB height 
> and BB drop don't matter at all.  Grant thinks BB drop should be as low as 
> practically possible for the minimum tire width, and that you shouldn't get 
> too hung up about standover.  
>
> More directly to the point.  Have you ever seen a 559-wheeled frame with 
> more that 57mm of drop?  The Surly Long Haul Trucker 26", a dedicated 
> touring bike, has only 47mm of drop.  Maybe Alex Wetmore's Travel Gifford 
> with 26" wheels might have more drop, and the category that has inspired: 
> the All-Road Enduro, may evolve with 65-70mm of drop and will only work 
> with Rat Trap Pass tires.  But I don't know of anything off the shelf that 
> will do that for you.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] FS: Acorn Tall Rando Bag - Ranger Tan

[Michael Ullmer]

Here is a link to my CL post for the bag:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bop/5326124598.html

$180 shipped CONUS for list members, $10 discount for pickup if you're 
local. 

PM me off list if you have any questions. Thanks for looking!

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Bill Lindsay]

OK, so since your small roadish 559 wheeled Rambouillet has 55mm of drop, 
then all other Rivendells with 559 wheels throw you for a loop, because all 
of those bikes take wider tires and all of them have 55-57mm of drop?  I'm 
with Grant that fit is about how your body fits in relation to the bike 
when you are riding.  BB drop effects how my body fits in relation to the 
bike.  BB drop is about fit.  Tire size changes standover, to be sure, but 
tire size does not affect fit, in my opinion.  BB height is about 
clearances: your pedals striking the ground, and your crotch to the top 
tube.  These are clearance issues, not fit issues, in my opinion.  

I know about the "on the bike" vs "in the bike" feel.  That handling feel 
is about how the rider's body is positioned relative to the bike while 
riding, in my opinion.  It is not about how your center of mass is 
positioned above the ground, in my opinion.  Jan Heine and Grant are the 
two who folks on this group tend to respect the most.  Jan thinks BB height 
and BB drop don't matter at all.  Grant thinks BB drop should be as low as 
practically possible for the minimum tire width, and that you shouldn't get 
too hung up about standover.  

More directly to the point.  Have you ever seen a 559-wheeled frame with 
more that 57mm of drop?  The Surly Long Haul Trucker 26", a dedicated 
touring bike, has only 47mm of drop.  Maybe Alex Wetmore's Travel Gifford 
with 26" wheels might have more drop, and the category that has inspired: 
the All-Road Enduro, may evolve with 65-70mm of drop and will only work 
with Rat Trap Pass tires.  But I don't know of anything off the shelf that 
will do that for you.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: thinking about going 11 speed, does anyone make a 12-32?

[Ron Mc]

no offense meant Bill.  The 15-16 step is exactly what he (and I) wants.  
Jim, I think your're on to it...

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 10:23:08 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> That's a pretty good idea and I have bought from Xxcycle before, it 
> takes a long time to get here but I was ultimately happy with my 
> purchase. 
>
> One thing I noticed that may be available stateside is, if you could 
> just split two 105 5800s in half it would be about perfect.  The 12-25 
> runs 12-16 in one tooth increments, so the first 5 gears from the 
> 12-25 and then then you could have the lower 6 gears from the 11-32, 
> that would be excellent. 
>
> 12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25 
> 11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-25-28-32 
>
> I've seen the 105 5800s for sale online for around $45 each.  That's 
> probably more economical than the IRD cassettes, although $90 is still 
> pretty expensive compared to the $25 I usually spend for 9 speed 
> 11-34's.  I guess the cost of progress is high sometimes.  I do get 
> quite a bit of mileage out of my cassettes, so, I'd probably only have 
> to endure the pain once every couple of years or so. 
>
> Maybe an alternate plan would be to just buy a loose 15 and remove the 
> 11 from the 11-32, if that's possible. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote: 
> > ps, my favorite 9-speed is 12,13,14,15,16,18,21,24,29 - there is not a 
> cliff 
> > anywhere in here - I'm running this with 42/25 and range is 94 down to 
> 23 
> > inches 
> > XXcycle has them all - you could start with a Miche 12-25 11-sp, change 
> one 
> > middle and final cog and have very close to what you're looking for - 
> below 
> > 40 inches, drop to your bail out ring. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:03:34 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Miche doesn't go beyond 29 teeth, but I've built 3 custom 9 speeds and 
> >> love them all. 
> >> 
> >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 6:22:48 PM UTC-6, Richard L wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> You might be able to build what you want with Miche cassette cogs. 
>  IRD 
> >>> also has an 12-32 11-speed cassette but not with the cogs you want. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Steve Palincsar]

But if you had done, she'd have only a half inch of standover clearance 
and would have 1 cm longer of a top tube.   For some, that simply 
wouldn't work.


On 11/20/2015 11:27 PM, iamkeith wrote:


My wife's rambouillet is a 50.  She thinks it fits fine but, if I 
could do it again, I'd put her on a 52.  (Her stem is extended really 
high, she has more than a fistfull of seatpost, and has at least an 
inch and a half of standover clearance.  Judging from standover alone, 
I'm working from the goal of putting  her on the biggest frame 
possible.  Even with 2 1/4" tires, the 46 Appaloosa would probably 
still feel smaller than the 50 rambouillet with 1 1/4" tires, right?   
The 51 Appaloosa would probably fit just perfect with 1 1/4" tires, 
but could be too big with 2 1/4" tires.




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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A 51 Appaloosa with 1.75" tires sounds like a possible solution.  Even 
though you are the kind of guy who puts on the biggest tires possible, I 
assume with a current 50cm frame, your wife may be somewhat smaller than 
you, and can do with proportionally less tire volume to achieve similar 
results. So gaining a half inch in tire width over the current Ram could be 
plenty. Room left for fenders, & maybe a spare set of wheels with bigger 
rubber. 

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:

 

> My wife's rambouillet is a 50.  She thinks it fits fine but, if I could do 
> it again, I'd put her on a 52.  (Her stem is extended really high, she has 
> more than a fistfull of seatpost, and has at least an inch and a half of 
> standover clearance.Judging from standover alone, I'm working from the 
> goal of putting  her on the biggest frame possible.  Even with 2 1/4" 
> tires, the 46 Appaloosa would probably still feel smaller than the 50 
> rambouillet with 1 1/4" tires, right?   The 51 Appaloosa would probably fit 
> just perfect with 1 1/4" tires, but could be too big with 2 1/4" tires. 
>
> Basically, it's just hard to decide because there's no apples-to-apples 
> comparison to what she already has.
>
>
>

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