[RBW] FS: MKS grip kings, frame bag, free wedge, noodles, 559 brakes

[drew]

Pedals are sold

Also adding 
Sugino bash/chain guard unopened from riv

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RE: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[olofstroh]

Nice to see your pictures! 

 

Though having visited Copenhagen now and then since 1957 and even ridden 
drop-bar bicycles there (and even bought two bikes there, with drop bars)I can 
assure that they do exist. Pedersens ARE nice to ride – I have done so – though 
taking another road to design. Sögreni on the other hand are in my view not 
Rivendellian, traditional frame design but more catering to his own minimalist 
design than practicality and comfort. His bars are murder!

 

Olof Stroh 

now Uppsala Sweden who some day will post a picture of the bike parking by the 
railway station

 

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

 

I have been to Copenhagen in the summer and it was spectacular. It had a 
profound impact on my views of cycling. For one thing once I got back I stopped 
using cycling specific clothing. As John says, if a woman in a fur coat can 
ride a bike, why do I have to wear lycra tights and a Shower Pass rain jacket? 
It was after this trip that I decided to buy my Sam Hillborne with Albatross 
bars and big basket on the front. 

In the thousands upon thousands of bikes I saw there, not one dropped bar 
handlebar could be found. That in of itself should tell you something. 

As for the Pedersen bike, I have ridden one and it was in my top three best 
riding bikes I ever had the experience of trying. It is like nothing you have 
tried before. The suspended seat is very comfortable. 

Copenhagen is my dream city. Unfortunately it wasn't my wife's dream city 
because if it was I would live there in a heartbeat. 

Be forewarned it is expensive, but there is a good reason for that, that is 
best left for another day. 

That trip changed my life. 

Glad you enjoyed it Surly Prof!

 

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[RBW] Front Rack Advice

[Joe Bernard]

I'm a little surprised to hear the Mark's Rack is unstable. It seems to me you 
could join that with a Mark's Hub Area Rack and spread the load between 
panniers and basket so you're not overloading the top rack. And it would look 
awesome!

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack Advice

[dougP]

Michael:

I haven't used the Nitto Big Front Rack but it looks like the low rider 
rail should give clearance.  Maybe look into other panniers?  Doesn't the 
Nitto have a couple of mounting rails for panniers?  There've been a few 
versions of that rack.  

FWIW, on my Atlantis I have a Tubus Duo sharing the eyelets just below the 
canti studs with a small Nitto front rack that supports an Acorn Boxy Rando 
bag.  I get Ortleib Back Rollers (the big honkin' 20 liter ea jobs) onto 
that set up.  BUT I have V-brakes which are pretty out of the way of 
everything.  That's all a lot different than your set-up, but food for 
thought.

dougP


On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 8:28:57 PM UTC-8, Michael Ullmer wrote:
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> I'm looking for the group's advice on the best front rack set-up for my 
> Sam Hillborne. What I currently have is the Nitto Big Front Rack with a 
> medium Wald Basket on top. I really like this general set-up, the front 
> basket gets daily use. I want to be able to mount front panniers 
> occasionally, but am finding that the Swift Panniers that I have aren't 
> able to mount low enough to clear the bottom of the basket. The 
> wide-profile cantilevers that I have are interfering with the panniers as 
> well.
>
> I'm wondering what other people have used for front racks on their bikes 
> to accommodate a front basket on top and front panniers. I was thinking a 
> Marks's Rack and a separate tubus front rack, but was finding that the 
> Marks rack wasn't stable enough. Also, it seems to me like the eyelets on 
> the front fork of the Hillborne are a little higher on the fork than 
> standard mid-fork eyelets and this may interfere with the mounting of 
> low-rider front racks, I could be wrong though.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts you have!
>
> Mike
> Seattle
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[RBW] Front Rack Advice

[drew]

What swift panniers? I have the same big front-wald basket set up. Swift mini 
short stacks work fine for me on the lower rail when slid into the forward 
position.

Alternate option would be the campee rack with the removable pannier rail 
things which are lower than on the big front

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[RBW] Front Rack Advice

[Michael Ullmer]

I'm looking for the group's advice on the best front rack set-up for my Sam 
Hillborne. What I currently have is the Nitto Big Front Rack with a medium 
Wald Basket on top. I really like this general set-up, the front basket 
gets daily use. I want to be able to mount front panniers occasionally, but 
am finding that the Swift Panniers that I have aren't able to mount low 
enough to clear the bottom of the basket. The wide-profile cantilevers that 
I have are interfering with the panniers as well.

I'm wondering what other people have used for front racks on their bikes to 
accommodate a front basket on top and front panniers. I was thinking a 
Marks's Rack and a separate tubus front rack, but was finding that the 
Marks rack wasn't stable enough. Also, it seems to me like the eyelets on 
the front fork of the Hillborne are a little higher on the fork than 
standard mid-fork eyelets and this may interfere with the mounting of 
low-rider front racks, I could be wrong though.

Thanks for any thoughts you have!

Mike
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Tony DeFilippo]

Yes we really get the 'happy medium' of weather... I suppose.

Those are 650Bx38 Parimoto's which measure closer to 40 on A23 rim's for 
me.  No problems with traction, I was on the road closer to the start of 
the snow though and didn't encounter much ice.  I imagine tomorrow's 
commute (for bikes and cars alike) will be more challenging.  Unfortunately 
I'm compelled to drive tomorrow due to some after work errands.  If I spend 
some time in the garage tomorrow night I'll get the XO-3 with studded 26"x 
1.9 tires running for Friday's commute though.  :)

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[RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Lungimsam]

Would be funny if RBW made just one full carbon Homer bike with carbon 
lugs, just to have hanging on the wall in their HQ.
It could have a head badge with a picture of Grant, rampant on a field of 
carbon, and they could call it the Rivendell  "a carbon Hilsen".

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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Lungimsam]

ps- its funny for us mid-atlantic people, being on this forum, because half 
of the people on this forum will cry for us when they see our winter 
weather reports, the other half will laugh at us!!!


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[RBW] Re: Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Lungimsam]

Good on you for riding today, Tony! Avoided all that traffic, got exercise, 
and had fun !!!

What kinda tires are those and how did they fair in the dusting we had, 
which is about 2" now here in Ellicott City, MD. Probably the same where 
you are.

I'm thinking of going out for a quick ride in the morning if I am not too 
lazy.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grizzly Peak Century mixed terrain options - May 1, 2016

[Patrick Shea]

Dave, I can you loan one of my Carradice Campers; they are the perfect size
for holding newborn cyclists. Good luck!

Cheers,
Patrick Shea

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, dstein  wrote:

> The dirt roads definitely look like a fun addition! I keep eyeing the
> Grizzly Peak Century but never seem to have the time and with an expected
> newborn I'll probably not make it this year either. Hopefully its
> successful and expands next year.
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[RBW] Re: An Under Biking Experience.

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Hugh,
Enjoyed your pics and ride description.Great views.
Thanks for sharing..Nicely outfitted Homer.
Jon

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:34:01 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Another ride report. Here 
> 
> .
>
> ~Hugh,
>

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[RBW] Re: Grizzly Peak Century mixed terrain options - May 1, 2016

[dstein]

The dirt roads definitely look like a fun addition! I keep eyeing the 
Grizzly Peak Century but never seem to have the time and with an expected 
newborn I'll probably not make it this year either. Hopefully its 
successful and expands next year.

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[RBW] FS: MKS grip kings, frame bag, free wedge, noodles, 559 brakes

[drew]

apologies for the multiple for sale posts the last few weeks. i should've 
collected everything and then listed it all.
new items i found:

*MKS lambda/grip king*- used for few weeks but not quite grippy enough for 
me. great condition- 30$ shipped

*Jandd frame pack* in khaki like this 
. New with tags- 30$ shipped

*42cm Nitto Noodles*, minor tape residue and insertion scratches 35$ shipped

*Tektro 559* front long reach brake - new in bag- 20$ shipped

*Cardiff saddle wedge*-black canvas with brown leather- 10$ shipped


listed before, but also still have 
*lone peak sundance panniers*- gray, never used-musa- 80$ shipped
*Pointer brand chore coat*- denim, shawl collar, 2 pockets. worn a couple 
of times -40$ shipped
*Apolis jeans*- white oak cone selvedge denim. 32w. new with tags. info HERE 
  
 100$ shipped
*Apolis jeans*- white oak cone selvedge denim. 33w. worn a couple of times, 
rinsed once  75$ shipped
*Marweather* superior cap in natural waxed canvas. worn once maybe. info 
HERE   80$ shipped (i feel 
stupid asking 80$ for a cap, but they retail for 150$, and its basically 
new. shoot me an offer if its out of line)
PHOTOS OF CLOTHES HERE 


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[RBW] Mid-Atlantic 2016 Snow

[Tony DeFilippo]

I figured it would be fun to start a thread for those of us in the 
Mid-Atlantic area as we get to see whether or not this big blizzard 
actually show's up on Friday or not... and it'll be amusing for list 
members in area's of the country that get REAL snow all the time to hear 
about how we deal with it.  :)  If we actually end up with the 10-30" 
currently forecast for DC it'll make for some memorable pictures to share! 

Today's commute home got a surprise flurry which snarled up traffic across 
the region.  Needless to say I was VERY happy I rode in today.  


 



More photo's on flickr 



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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow! Great trip. Any idea what the gadgetry is on those handlebars on the 
last bike?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 9:30:11 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> My wife and I recently returned from a rare vacation trip to Copenhagen, 
> Denmark.  Although it was cold and gray most of the time, it was an amazing 
> and inspiring trip.  If you haven't been, I can't recommend it highly 
> enough (particularly in warmer months).  I wish we committed to such public 
> infrastructure in America.  Despite the cold, rain and snow, people were 
> still traveling everywhere by bike.  The infrastructure to support biking 
> is incredible and everyone seems happier and healthier for it.  The entire 
> town is so easy to navigate by train, buses and bikes.  With so many bikes 
> around, security was often a kickstand and simple integrated rear wheel 
> lock as opposed to a massive u-lock connected to a stationary object 
> combined with a hearty cable to keep your wheels.  People of all ages were 
> biking.  One night an 80+ year old woman pulled up next to us at a stop 
> sign wearing a fur coat and full makeup looking like she was off to meet 
> friends at the theater or a restaurant.  We even stumbled across a bike 
> shop that I could only describe as Rivendell in Copenhagen (
> http://sogrenibikes.com/).  The guy manufacturers and sells beautifully 
> detailed products.  I bought a few of the bells which have a cast mounting 
> bracket!
>
> Here is an albums of bike/fun-related photos.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157663660021106
> John
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[RBW] Re: Grizzly Peak Century mixed terrain options - May 1, 2016

[Don Compton]

Thanks for the headsup. I have never ridden the Grizzly Peak Century, but 
have ridden portions of the ride many times. Adding the dirt roads to the 
ride would be really fun, especially for Riv guys. I have ridden my former 
Roadeo on many unpaved roads in Marin and Sonoma cos. and would love to 
break in my new Roadeo.
Don

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-8, Neil wrote:
>
> Apologies if this has been posted...I thought this might be of interest to 
> the group. The Grizzly Peak Century is offering 78-mile and 100-mile mixed 
> terrain options this year.
>
> https://www.grizz.org/century/details/mixed.php
>
> This is a beta test for them, so limited to 50 riders. If you think about 
> the legacy of bike restrictions in East Bay regional parks, I think this is 
> huge, even if it is just the normal fireroads and such.
>
> I signed up for the 78-mile version. Alas, only 18 miles of dirt, but 
> should be fun! A good carrot to get in shape for 7,500 feet by May 1.
>

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[blakcloud]

I have been to Copenhagen in the summer and it was spectacular. It had a 
profound impact on my views of cycling. For one thing once I got back I 
stopped using cycling specific clothing. As John says, if a woman in a fur 
coat can ride a bike, why do I have to wear lycra tights and a Shower Pass 
rain jacket? It was after this trip that I decided to buy my Sam Hillborne 
with Albatross bars and big basket on the front. 

In the thousands upon thousands of bikes I saw there, not one dropped bar 
handlebar could be found. That in of itself should tell you something. 

As for the Pedersen bike, I have ridden one and it was in my top three best 
riding bikes I ever had the experience of trying. It is like nothing you 
have tried before. The suspended seat is very comfortable. 

Copenhagen is my dream city. Unfortunately it wasn't my wife's dream city 
because if it was I would live there in a heartbeat. 

Be forewarned it is expensive, but there is a good reason for that, that is 
best left for another day. 

That trip changed my life. 

Glad you enjoyed it Surly Prof!

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: An Under Biking Experience.

[Hugh Smitham]

Doug,

Now I get it. It all makes sense to me. No wonder I went with a AHH.

~Hugh
On Jan 20, 2016 1:21 PM, "dougP"  wrote:

> A. Homer Hilsen was one of the early explorers of California, so Rivendell
> named a bike after him. :-).
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 12:34:01 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
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>> Another ride report. Here
>> 
>> .
>>
>> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] An Under Biking Experience.

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Curtis!

On Jan 20, 2016 1:06 PM, "Curtis McKenzie"  wrote:
>
> Hugh,
>
> Great photos and ride description.  Do 18 million people really live near
by the canyon?

Apparently so.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:34 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
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>> Another ride report. Here.
>>
>> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: An Under Biking Experience.

[Hugh Smitham]

Well Patrick you are the bench mark for such endeavors.  You're always an
inspiration.

I know Colorado has what I like in remoteness & wild beautiful country.

~Hugh
On Jan 20, 2016 1:00 PM, "Deacon Patrick"  wrote:

> Fantastic! That are some of the best rides! I love when I am somewhere so
> wild I have to stop, remove/navigate obstacle and go on! Sometimes I wish
> I'd brought my folding saw with me -- other times I do.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:34:01 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Another ride report. Here
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Scott G.]

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 7:34:00 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

>
> Scott: do you own a Crumpton?
>

No, just seen them.

I own a Chris Kvale, next bike will be by Dave Wages.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Ryan Fleming]

There isn't much of a wait and they are still available. I've been told my 
frame could be ready by this spring. I'm not too fussed if it's later

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> The last update about customs from Riv is that there's not much of a wait. 
> They haven't promoted them in years, and I suspect a lot of people think 
> custom Rivendells aren't a thing anymore. 

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[RBW] Re: OT Bike tagging and/or stolen bike registry?

[Peter Adler]

This thread made me log into my Bike Index account, to see what I had 
listed. They now include an option to enter lock information, restricted to 
each user, so you can store a lock combination or a key's serial number 
(Kryptonite uses serial numbers, as do the various locking skewer 
companies).

Velospace  also includes a hidden section in their 
listing pages for bike serial numbers; it's visible only to the user who 
posts the listing. That will help with a police ID: You can log into the 
owner's listing, see the photos and a breakdown of the components, and see 
the serial number.

Peter "safety first" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA


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>
> Pierre, I know Bike Index is working to establish itself as an answer to 
> Q1 of yours. I believe two separate efforts merged their resources together 
> to make it. I make sure all of my rides are registered with it, at any rate:
> https://bikeindex.org/
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[RBW] Re: An Under Biking Experience.

[dougP]

A. Homer Hilsen was one of the early explorers of California, so Rivendell 
named a bike after him. :-).

dougP

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> Another ride report. Here 
> 
> .
>
> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] An Under Biking Experience.

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hugh,

Great photos and ride description.  Do 18 million people really live near
by the canyon?

Curtis

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[RBW] Re: An Under Biking Experience.

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! That are some of the best rides! I love when I am somewhere so 
wild I have to stop, remove/navigate obstacle and go on! Sometimes I wish 
I'd brought my folding saw with me -- other times I do.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Another ride report. Here 
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> .
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[RBW] WTB. 56 or 58 Atlantis

[dylan alverson]

Hi,  I'm looking to buy a used 56 or 58 ( I'm right in the middle ) Atlantis 
frame.  Well used prefered.  Frame only prefered but complete possibly an 
option.  

Thanks
Dylan

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[RBW] An Under Biking Experience.

[hsmitham]

Another ride report. Here 

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~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Organic Cotton Boxer Briefs for riding recommendations?

[Ron Mc]

ps - I buy Calida cotton boxers on sierratradingpost for about $10/ - they 
have the least-obnoxious waistband of any boxers

But for wicking sweat and preventing chaffing of your soft tissues, nothing 
beats merino.  
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Re: [RBW] Grizzly Peak Century mixed terrain options - May 1, 2016

[Patrick Shea]

Thanks for the heads up, Neil! I just registered for the 78 miler, a ride
I'm hoping will better prepare my bloated sack of protoplasm for the La
Ruta Loca.

Cheers,
Patrick Shea

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Neil  wrote:

> Apologies if this has been posted...I thought this might be of interest to
> the group. The Grizzly Peak Century is offering 78-mile and 100-mile mixed
> terrain options this year.
>
> https://www.grizz.org/century/details/mixed.php
>
> This is a beta test for them, so limited to 50 riders. If you think about
> the legacy of bike restrictions in East Bay regional parks, I think this is
> huge, even if it is just the normal fireroads and such.
>
> I signed up for the 78-mile version. Alas, only 18 miles of dirt, but
> should be fun! A good carrot to get in shape for 7,500 feet by May 1.
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[RBW] Grizzly Peak Century mixed terrain options - May 1, 2016

[Neil]

Apologies if this has been posted...I thought this might be of interest to 
the group. The Grizzly Peak Century is offering 78-mile and 100-mile mixed 
terrain options this year.

https://www.grizz.org/century/details/mixed.php

This is a beta test for them, so limited to 50 riders. If you think about 
the legacy of bike restrictions in East Bay regional parks, I think this is 
huge, even if it is just the normal fireroads and such.

I signed up for the 78-mile version. Alas, only 18 miles of dirt, but 
should be fun! A good carrot to get in shape for 7,500 feet by May 1.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Joe Bernard]

The last update about customs from Riv is that there's not much of a wait. They 
haven't promoted them in years, and I suspect a lot of people think custom 
Rivendells aren't a thing anymore. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Soma San Marcos 51cm & VO Camargue 53cm

[Philip Kim]

I have someone interested in the 650b wheel set, anyone interested in just 
the San Marcos frameset? I was thinking $700 plus shipping.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 9:03:45 PM UTC-5, Chad wrote:
>
> That San Marcos is a sharp build!
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 7:47:36 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Selling off my Soma San Marcos 51cm (outfitted with Nitto goods) and VO 
>> Camargue 53cm frameset. Long story short, Chev's were sold out back in Oct, 
>> so I bought a San Marcos instead. Then got my hands on a Chev, and was 
>> going to keep the San Marcos as a road bike. However, I don't do much fast 
>> riding. So I'm looking to sell these off to a good home and to fund a Hunq.
>>
>> The San Marcos is apparently a budget Roadeo, but I wouldn't know about 
>> that. It's fully lugged, even the dropouts. I think the Cheviot's dropouts 
>> are just welded. Heat treated tubing. It goes nice and quick, but not 
>> squirrely and it's stable somehow.
>>
>> The Camargue is light for a dirt touring bike. Gusset at the headtube for 
>> strength. It's been re-powdered "ferrari red", and has a custom fork from 
>> Clock Work Bikes. Has mid fork mounts for the Ntto Campee 32f. But I've 
>> been running it bikepacking style with a Fairweather handlebar bag. 26" 
>> wheels.
>>
>> Looking to sell my Soma San Marcos for $1,900 plus shipping. I would 
>> rather sell as complete and local to DC, but can part it out if need be. 
>>
>> Looking to sell the Camargue for $350 plus shipping. Also would like to 
>> sell local DC, but can ship if need be.
>>
>>
>> Also open to offers of course. Would rather these bikes/frames find use, 
>> than sit in the corner of my apartment. Please message off-list
>>
>>
>>
>> Link has pictures and build description.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_b6SaLeSazRd216Z2JjRHVIZG8
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT Bike tagging and/or stolen bike registry?

[Zed Martinez]

Pierre, I know Bike Index is working to establish itself as an answer to Q1 
of yours. I believe two separate efforts merged their resources together to 
make it. I make sure all of my rides are registered with it, at any rate:
https://bikeindex.org/

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-5, Pierre wrote:
>
> Hi bunch, 
>
> I got burglarized recently and the officer told me he has a warehouse full 
> of stuff he can't give back because most people don't take note of their 
> serial number or other proof of ownership. 
>
> I am not sure Riv keeps track of SN. Maybe now would be a good time the 
> take a picture of your SN below your BB. 
>
> Q: is there a well established registry of stolen bikes nationwide? Or 
> only local inititiatives maybe? 
>
> Q: is there a commercial or non-profit bike tagging solution in the US? 
>
> Q: What have you personally done to ensure your bike is returned to you in 
> the off chance that it is found or recovered? Albeit very slim. 
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Pierre 
>
> PS: no Riv were stolen, only electronics.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT Bike tagging and/or stolen bike registry?

[Bill]

A profile picture of the bike in its most recent configuration (I'm a serial 
cockpit swapper) helps too. That plus the serial number and your contact 
information makes for a good flier to be left at local pawn shops and the like. 
If it gets resold before a police-reported serial number catches up it could be 
too late.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Son Edelux II - Polished Silver - Upside Down Mount - $180 shipped.

[Patrick Moore]

David: curious: what lighting system will you use instead?

Aside: How does the Edeluxe II compare with the E I off road? I found that
my E I is just a *wee* bit too narrow and weak for my bad night vision on
familiar but choppy dirt irrigation canal roads; I supplement it with a Mi
Newt.

But God willing I will have a top o' the line Supernova with SP hub for my
forthcoming (one day) Matthews "road bike for dirt."

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:37 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> I was going to use this on my Riv Clem, but I'm now deciding to have 2
> wheelset for this bike, knobbies on one and Big Ones on the other, which
> means I'd need 2 dynamo wheels, which I'm not going to do.
>
> Son Edelux II
> Updside down mount.
> Polished silver finish.
> 140cm cable w/ switch version.
> New, never taken out of the original box.
>
> $180 shipped in US.
> Paypal Personal payment please, or cover regular Paypal fees.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Patrick Moore]

It's not a problem at all! If I had $5,300 to put on a frame, I'd seriously
research the pros and cons of carbon fiber. I am not convinced that CF is
better than steel for bike frames, but I am starting to believe that, at
its best, it may well be so. That's why I'd like to see a rigorous,
dispassionate comparison.

But for my own purposes and budget, even if CF should be better than steel
when optimally used, it wouldn't be worth the premium at current custom CF
prices. (Once again, I have little interest in current mass market CF
offerings.)

Now if someone started making a $3K custom frameset in CF that rode and
lasted like a Rivendell, I'd seriously consider it. Seriously! I need one
with 120 OL rear spacing for my new AM hub.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 4:34:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice, and with 10-year guarantee. 33s + fenders, please. $5,300 -- could
>> be worse, but although I expect that CF is (in itself) an excellent
>> material for some bicycle parts and for frames, I expect that, for my
>> riding, the 52% premium over top of line steel isn't worth the savings in
>> weight and (possible) improvement in strength.
>>
>
> I think the problem is you're not comparing apples to apples.
> Yes, a Crumpton will cost $5300 for a frame. But he is considered one of
> the top carbon frame builders in the US and maybe the world. Yes, you can
> get a "premium" steel frame for less, maybe even 52% less. But, if you
> really want to compare a Crumpton, then you should compare it to what the
> top steel frame builders charge.
>
> Since there are 100s of steel frame builders in the US, one way to compare
> is to look at wait list. Richard Sachs and Sasha White/Vanilla have
> arguably the longest wait list for steel builders that has people waiting 5
> to 6 YEARS?!  If that makes them the "top" steel frame builders, then the
> price of a custom Sachs or Vanilla is around $5000 or about the same as a
> Crumpton.
>
> Further, Brent Steelman is asking $4850 for a custom lug frame and others
> like Bruce Gordon and Mark DiNucci are in the $4000+ range. In contrast, a
> custom Riv is "only" $3500 and I last I heard, their wait list is about two
> years?!
>
> Of course, you can find quality steel builders for less, i.e., Della Santa
> or Paul Sadoff/Rock Lobster, but if you want to compare apples to apples,
> you look at the builders with the longest wait list first. Or at least,
> that is one criteria.
>
> Good Luck!
>
>>
>> I do have to say that, IMO, in the "pretty" and the "cool" categories,
>> steel wins hands down. ("Cool" since steel has all that "Coppi rode it and
>> so did the ungainly, brutal, peasant-stock hardmen of steel back to 1903*"
>> history.)
>>
>> *1st Tour. I know that it was used before 1903.
>>
>> Scott: do you own a Crumpton?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Scott G.  wrote:
>>
>>> Call Nick Crumpton, say you want a lifetime road bike that will fit 33mm
>>> tires.
>>> I think you'll be very pleased with your carbon bike.
>>>
>>> Downside of carbon is that costs near double a same quality steel bike.
>>>
>>> Steel vs. Carbon, is the cycling nutters version of the Arian heresy.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 4:34:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Nice, and with 10-year guarantee. 33s + fenders, please. $5,300 -- could 
> be worse, but although I expect that CF is (in itself) an excellent 
> material for some bicycle parts and for frames, I expect that, for my 
> riding, the 52% premium over top of line steel isn't worth the savings in 
> weight and (possible) improvement in strength.
>
 
I think the problem is you're not comparing apples to apples.  
Yes, a Crumpton will cost $5300 for a frame. But he is considered one of 
the top carbon frame builders in the US and maybe the world. Yes, you can 
get a "premium" steel frame for less, maybe even 52% less. But, if you 
really want to compare a Crumpton, then you should compare it to what the 
top steel frame builders charge.
 
Since there are 100s of steel frame builders in the US, one way to compare 
is to look at wait list. Richard Sachs and Sasha White/Vanilla have 
arguably the longest wait list for steel builders that has people waiting 5 
to 6 YEARS?!  If that makes them the "top" steel frame builders, then the 
price of a custom Sachs or Vanilla is around $5000 or about the same as a 
Crumpton. 
 
Further, Brent Steelman is asking $4850 for a custom lug frame and others 
like Bruce Gordon and Mark DiNucci are in the $4000+ range. In contrast, a 
custom Riv is "only" $3500 and I last I heard, their wait list is about two 
years?! 
 
Of course, you can find quality steel builders for less, i.e., Della Santa 
or Paul Sadoff/Rock Lobster, but if you want to compare apples to apples, 
you look at the builders with the longest wait list first. Or at least, 
that is one criteria.
 
Good Luck!

>
> I do have to say that, IMO, in the "pretty" and the "cool" categories, 
> steel wins hands down. ("Cool" since steel has all that "Coppi rode it and 
> so did the ungainly, brutal, peasant-stock hardmen of steel back to 1903*" 
> history.)
>
> *1st Tour. I know that it was used before 1903.
>
> Scott: do you own a Crumpton?
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Scott G. 
> > wrote:
>
>> Call Nick Crumpton, say you want a lifetime road bike that will fit 33mm 
>> tires.
>> I think you'll be very pleased with your carbon bike.
>>
>> Downside of carbon is that costs near double a same quality steel bike.
>>
>> Steel vs. Carbon, is the cycling nutters version of the Arian heresy.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Organic Cotton Boxer Briefs for riding recommendations?

[Ron Mc]

downtown Bulverde Texas is hardly metro, but south Texas summers will sweat 
you 100 oz every 40 miles.  

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 3:47:11 PM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:
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> Wow, myself being very non-metro only wears multi-pack Fruit of the Loom 
> boxer briefs.  
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[RBW] FS: Son Edelux II - Polished Silver - Upside Down Mount - $180 shipped.

[David Banzer]

I was going to use this on my Riv Clem, but I'm now deciding to have 2 
wheelset for this bike, knobbies on one and Big Ones on the other, which 
means I'd need 2 dynamo wheels, which I'm not going to do.

Son Edelux II 
Updside down mount.
Polished silver finish.
140cm cable w/ switch version.
New, never taken out of the original box.

$180 shipped in US.
Paypal Personal payment please, or cover regular Paypal fees.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Organic Cotton Boxer Briefs for riding recommendations?

[EGNolan]

Icebreaker is having a pretty large sale; 40-50% off a lot of stuff. 
~$25/pair of Merino undies... http://www.icebreaker.com/

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[RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Bill M.]

You've gotta work within the limits of the material.  My Calfee does have a 
carbon post (Easton) that came with the frame, but I would never consider a 
carbon bar or stem and it does not carry a saddle bag.  

Bill

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 6:04:29 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
> After many cycle tours, I have come to prefer using a single large bag up 
> front on a porteur style rack and if the need is there a saddle bag.  
>
> Despite reading many claims that CF is as good or better than steel so far 
> not aware of any CF fork or seat post recommended for this sort of set up.
>
> And yes, I have asked custom builders who recommended I instead go with a 
> steel fork.  Certainly not claiming it cannot be done.  But interesting no 
> one wants to do it.
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[RBW] Re: Segwaying from Garbage Pail Bike thread: pros and cons of CF and Steel?

[Matthew J]

After many cycle tours, I have come to prefer using a single large bag up 
front on a porteur style rack and if the need is there a saddle bag.  

Despite reading many claims that CF is as good or better than steel so far 
not aware of any CF fork or seat post recommended for this sort of set up.

And yes, I have asked custom builders who recommended I instead go with a 
steel fork.  Certainly not claiming it cannot be done.  But interesting no 
one wants to do it.

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[RBW] Re: Copenhagen!

[Surlyprof]

My suggestion is to go sometime other than the dead of winter.  Bike 
rentals are plentiful but my wife was not game for riding on slush, snow 
and ice this trip.  We hope to go back at a warmer time and rent bikes the 
whole time (many hotels have bike rentals or a shop very close where you 
can rent).  The one thing you can't rent were the Pedersens they sell at 
Christiania Cycles (http://www.pedersen-bike.dk/).  Funky place in a very 
funky part of town. 

As for the gears under those handlebars, I'm not totally sure but I believe 
one operated the rear derailleur and the other the brakes.  One part of the 
lever was for upshifting and the other for downshifting with your thumb 
(kind of like brifters).  I think it was a 1x5 set up.  The components were 
older Campy that had been polished out to a mirror shine.  Can't recall for 
sure but I believe the brakes were operated with the right hand levers.

John

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 11:08:14 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for sharing!  Copenhagen is on my bucket list, maybe someday. The 
> bike in the window is super cool! What's up with the chain and gears on the 
> underside of the handle bar? Is that for the brakes or the gears?
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 11:30:11 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>> My wife and I recently returned from a rare vacation trip to Copenhagen, 
>> Denmark.  Although it was cold and gray most of the time, it was an amazing 
>> and inspiring trip.  If you haven't been, I can't recommend it highly 
>> enough (particularly in warmer months).  I wish we committed to such public 
>> infrastructure in America.  Despite the cold, rain and snow, people were 
>> still traveling everywhere by bike.  The infrastructure to support biking 
>> is incredible and everyone seems happier and healthier for it.  The entire 
>> town is so easy to navigate by train, buses and bikes.  With so many bikes 
>> around, security was often a kickstand and simple integrated rear wheel 
>> lock as opposed to a massive u-lock connected to a stationary object 
>> combined with a hearty cable to keep your wheels.  People of all ages were 
>> biking.  One night an 80+ year old woman pulled up next to us at a stop 
>> sign wearing a fur coat and full makeup looking like she was off to meet 
>> friends at the theater or a restaurant.  We even stumbled across a bike 
>> shop that I could only describe as Rivendell in Copenhagen (
>> http://sogrenibikes.com/).  The guy manufacturers and sells beautifully 
>> detailed products.  I bought a few of the bells which have a cast mounting 
>> bracket!
>>
>> Here is an albums of bike/fun-related photos.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/albums/72157663660021106
>> John
>>
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