It's not a problem at all! If I had $5,300 to put on a frame, I'd seriously
research the pros and cons of carbon fiber. I am not convinced that CF is
better than steel for bike frames, but I am starting to believe that, at
its best, it may well be so. That's why I'd like to see a rigorous,
dispassionate comparison.
But for my own purposes and budget, even if CF should be better than steel
when optimally used, it wouldn't be worth the premium at current custom CF
prices. (Once again, I have little interest in current mass market CF
offerings.)
Now if someone started making a $3K custom frameset in CF that rode and
lasted like a Rivendell, I'd seriously consider it. Seriously! I need one
with 120 OL rear spacing for my new AM hub.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Brewster Fong <bfd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 4:34:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Nice, and with 10-year guarantee. 33s + fenders, please. $5,300 -- could
>> be worse, but although I expect that CF is (in itself) an excellent
>> material for some bicycle parts and for frames, I expect that, for my
>> riding, the 52% premium over top of line steel isn't worth the savings in
>> weight and (possible) improvement in strength.
>>
>
> I think the problem is you're not comparing apples to apples.
> Yes, a Crumpton will cost $5300 for a frame. But he is considered one of
> the top carbon frame builders in the US and maybe the world. Yes, you can
> get a "premium" steel frame for less, maybe even 52% less. But, if you
> really want to compare a Crumpton, then you should compare it to what the
> top steel frame builders charge.
>
> Since there are 100s of steel frame builders in the US, one way to compare
> is to look at wait list. Richard Sachs and Sasha White/Vanilla have
> arguably the longest wait list for steel builders that has people waiting 5
> to 6 YEARS?! If that makes them the "top" steel frame builders, then the
> price of a custom Sachs or Vanilla is around $5000 or about the same as a
> Crumpton.
>
> Further, Brent Steelman is asking $4850 for a custom lug frame and others
> like Bruce Gordon and Mark DiNucci are in the $4000+ range. In contrast, a
> custom Riv is "only" $3500 and I last I heard, their wait list is about two
> years?!
>
> Of course, you can find quality steel builders for less, i.e., Della Santa
> or Paul Sadoff/Rock Lobster, but if you want to compare apples to apples,
> you look at the builders with the longest wait list first. Or at least,
> that is one criteria.
>
> Good Luck!
>
>>
>> I do have to say that, IMO, in the "pretty" and the "cool" categories,
>> steel wins hands down. ("Cool" since steel has all that "Coppi rode it and
>> so did the ungainly, brutal, peasant-stock hardmen of steel back to 1903*"
>> history.)
>>
>> *1st Tour. I know that it was used before 1903.
>>
>> Scott: do you own a Crumpton?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Scott G. <sco...@primax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Call Nick Crumpton, say you want a lifetime road bike that will fit 33mm
>>> tires.
>>> I think you'll be very pleased with your carbon bike.
>>>
>>> Downside of carbon is that costs near double a same quality steel bike.
>>>
>>> Steel vs. Carbon, is the cycling nutters version of the Arian heresy.
>>>
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