date:20160302

Wiggle it like Wiegle... Bend it like Bilenky...Nudge it like 
Nobilette...Persuade it like Petersen...Wrench it like Waterford...Tweak it 
like Toyo...

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[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

I have a pbh of 81 and i can tell you that riding with drops on that 57.5TT of 
the smallest clemframe would have me stretched out like Obre. One size up I'd 
be stretched out like superman!

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

Upright bars for slow riding ?
Try telling that to Freddie Hoffman:
18mph average speeds on his 100lb. steeds, over 1-2 million miles, according to 
the rivarticle i read, iirc.

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[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

I'm 78pbh and have the smallest CLEM. Drop bars on that frame would be an 
exercise in riding like Graeme Obree.

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[RBW] BLUG Roadeo size?

They both look 55ish to me, although Mark's original does seem to have a 
slightly shorter headtube. I'm guessing that spec evolved a smidge over the 
years. Mercy, that red Roadeo looks fabulous!

PS. I love the influence of the young folks showing through on the BLUG. Grant 
would never say 10/11-speed brifters "shift like a dream" ;)

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Evan E.

All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to put 
a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?


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Re: [RBW] RE: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

2016-03-02 Thread KTY


>
> Hugh,
>
> Is this sold? If not, drop me a line at kolbyt at gmail dot com. 
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[RBW] BLUG Roadeo size?

2016-03-02 Thread ted

The Mar 2 BLUG entry on the new demo Roadeo at RBW WHQ says the frame is a 
55.
The head tube looks significantly longer than the one on Mark's 55 Roadeo 
in the staff bikes section.
Am I cross eyed? Is one of these not a 55? Typo?
What do you all think?

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[RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread ted

Sounds great. Please count my wife and I in.
Regards
Ted

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[RBW] Clem w/drop bars

2016-03-02 Thread Steven Sweedler

Has anyone set up their Clem frameset with drops, comments, pictures.
Thanks, Steve

Rancho Palos Verdes, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] New tire

So, rather different than the 23 mm Pro Race *Service Course.* I would be
interested in trying them, if they were made in 559 X 28+. To save ~$500 on
my next 6 pairs of tires ...

Aside: I briefly tried Schwalbe's 559 X ~33 mm Kojak *tubeless* on my EQ 21
rims. They ride much differently sans tube than with even a light sub 90
gram 650C X 23 mm tube. Alas, while they maintained a seal while under
sufficient pressure, when they deflated, the seal released, and I could not
get it back with a hand pump -- which made the arrangement useless for my
purposes -- I don't want to be left 20 miles from home, on some isolated
dirt road, with no option but to install a tube in the messy tire -- and
risk further flats with no further recourse.

It's too bad, because the ~32-33 mm softness of the un-be-tubed Kojak was
almost as good in feel as, and better in sand/dirt/gravel traction than,
the tubed Elk Pass. Compass does not make the EP in tubeless form.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Pat,
> The new Michelen that I bought is a new tire. Max lbs 85, min 57. I have
> used Grand Bois Cerfs for years and have always liked them. But, I was
> lured into giving the Michelens a try. I really like them. I don't ride off
> road much ( although I rode on a 2 mile stretch of gravel on Monday), but
> our roads have a lot of potholes and just plain bad pavement. The 28 size
> at the 62f,72r works for me on any road surface.
> Don
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:18:24 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing
>>> tires, no flat protection included.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C
 X 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk
 Pass ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims,
 the Compass ~28 mm.

 The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3)
 175 grams.

 The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.

 *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to
 pedal a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the
 last with cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.

 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
 ain't *that* a horrible image).

 Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if
 Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another
 $1K's worth.

 On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new
> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western 
> Bikeworks
> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4
> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is
> superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
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Re: [RBW] New tire

2016-03-02 Thread Don Compton

Pat,
The new Michelen that I bought is a new tire. Max lbs 85, min 57. I have 
used Grand Bois Cerfs for years and have always liked them. But, I was 
lured into giving the Michelens a try. I really like them. I don't ride off 
road much ( although I rode on a 2 mile stretch of gravel on Monday), but 
our roads have a lot of potholes and just plain bad pavement. The 28 size 
at the 62f,72r works for me on any road surface.
Don

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:18:24 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing 
>> tires, no flat protection included.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>>> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X 
>>> 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass 
>>> ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the 
>>> Compass ~28 mm.
>>>
>>> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 
>>> 175 grams.
>>>
>>> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76: 
>>> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.
>>>
>>> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal 
>>> a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with 
>>> cadence compared to effort in well known conditions. 
>>>
>>> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and 
>>> ain't *that* a horrible image).
>>>
>>> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if 
>>> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another 
>>> $1K's worth.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton >> > wrote:
>>>
 I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new 
 one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western 
 Bikeworks 
 had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 
 Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is 
 superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.

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Re: [RBW] New tire

Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing
> tires, no flat protection included.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X
>> 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass
>> ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the
>> Compass ~28 mm.
>>
>> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 175
>> grams.
>>
>> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
>> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.
>>
>> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal
>> a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with
>> cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.
>>
>> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
>> ain't *that* a horrible image).
>>
>> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if
>> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another
>> $1K's worth.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new
>>> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks
>>> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4
>>> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is
>>> superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New tire

BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing
tires, no flat protection included.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X
> 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass
> ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the
> Compass ~28 mm.
>
> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 175
> grams.
>
> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.
>
> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal a
> very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with
> cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.
>
> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
> ain't *that* a horrible image).
>
> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if
> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another
> $1K's worth.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>
>> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new
>> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks
>> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4
>> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is
>> superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>>
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Re: [RBW] New tire

This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X 23
mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass
ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the
Compass ~28 mm.

The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 175
grams.

The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.

*The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal a
very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with
cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.

5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
ain't *that* a horrible image).

Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if Jan
ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another $1K's
worth.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one(
> $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had
> a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance
> 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb.
> And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
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[RBW] Re: Compass Promenade vs. Bosco bars

2016-03-02 Thread David Banzer

Main difference is tubing size: 23.8 (road bar standard) for the Promenade, 
and 22.2 (upright/mtb standard) diameter, meaning the Promenade would need 
to take bar end brake levers or find 23.8mm brake levers that would work. 
I've tried a similar Nitto Promenade (though wider at 48cm) which has 
22.2mm and it appears to be similar in grip area as the Promenade, which is 
to say, there's not a lot of room to have shifters in a typical position. 
The Boscos are much roomier in grip area in overall width.
If you're looking for something narrower than Bosco, I'd look into the 
Nitto Promenade offerings (B602, B603, & B617), the GB Champs Elysees, or 
the VO upright offerings (Porteur, Belleville, Left Bank, Montmartre) in 
addition the Grand Bois Promenade, which is a very nice looking handlebar.
David
Chicago

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>
> Anyone used both the Promenade and the Bosco aluminum  (not the bullmoose)?
>
> What's your experience with them?
>
> The Promenade looks like a mini version of the Bosco, because the width 
> and all is much smaller, but the design looks similar.
>
> Was wondering how the two compare.
>
> The small sized rider would like to go fast while holding onto the bar 
> ends and sitting upright.
>

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[RBW] New tire

2016-03-02 Thread Don Compton

I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one( 
$70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had 
a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance 
700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb. 
And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Don Compton

Just an observation. Isn't it amazing the prices these used Rivs bring? The 
market speaks. Grant's frames and bikes are not throw away consummables.


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>
>
> 
> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one. 
>  It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar 
> bike for sale anywhere!
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

I should add that I do have experience putting a 114 mm OL AW into a 126 mm
OL Trek Elance 400 frame. It was doable, but it was not pretty or ethical
-- certainly highly against nature.

My question comes down to: would the 3 mm less on each side avoid the
violence otherwise required?

Patrick Moore, who paid *$40 shipped Priority!!! * for a very nice '52 AM.

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> Has anyone done this? Any problems?
>
> Note: the older SA hubs, at least, were not 120 OL but 114. My AM is 114,
> and I wonder if there will be enough axle extending beyond the dropouts to
> accept the nuts. I will of course install spacers behind the locknuts.
>
> I think it's the AM -- medium ratio 3 speed, not the 4 speed.
>
> A bike with AM would be nice! Say, 51-60-71 gi.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

I certainly didn't pay or, when I sold it, get $2K for my blue Ram, though
I am also certainly happy with what I got and with what I paid.

FWIW, I should think that the later Rams, with clearance for nominal 35s
and fenders, would demand a higher price than the earlier, narrower models
-- unless Orange trumps Nice Baby Blue.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Kieran J  wrote:

> The two orange Ram framesets that I have bought, sold and bought were in
> the $600-700 range, including the original headset. I feel like a complete
> Ram in a popular mid-size such as yours would realistically sell for around
> $1200-1500 complete. If it didn't come with saddle or pedals, it might be
> towards the lower end of that range. Just my $0.02 anyways.
>
> I have seen some sell on eBay over the years - at a wide range of final
> price points, IIFC.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some
>> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue
>> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge
>> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so
>> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one.
>> It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora
>> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium
>> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem,
>> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
>> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current
>> similar bike for sale anywhere!
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] Compass Promenade vs. Bosco bars

I have one set of Promenade bars I'm selling if you're interested. 45cm
width at the ends. Will post the "For Sale" message soon, need to organize
all the photos. Lots of bars and saddles and racks...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 1:49 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> I've used both. The Promenade are much smaller and narrower, so it's
> either a rider and bike size issue. Or a personal preference. I'm big 5'11"
> and had them for a while on my 58 Betty and loved them. I didn't enjoy the
> Boscos on the Betty as much, but had all versions on the Hunqapillar for a
> while.
>
> Right now, I prefer the Ahearne long MAP on the Betty. No Boscos for me at
> this time.
>
> René
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> Anyone used both the Promenade and the Bosco aluminum  (not the
>> bullmoose)?
>>
>> What's your experience with them?
>>
>> The Promenade looks like a mini version of the Bosco, because the width
>> and all is much smaller, but the design looks similar.
>>
>> Was wondering how the two compare.
>>
>> The small sized rider would like to go fast while holding onto the bar
>> ends and sitting upright.
>>
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[RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr Size 52 Grey

2016-03-02 Thread RDS



I have for sale a size 52 Clem Smith Jr Grey frame or semi-complete bike 
*(minus 
the handlebars;  replaced the stock tires)*.  I have already sold the stock 
handlebars that come with the complete bike, so no handlebars are 
included.  I have replaced the stock tires with Schwalbe Big Ben Raceguard 
Performance line 48mm wide tires ($45 each at Riv).  Bike has been ridden 
less than 15 all pavement miles.  So, I will consider any offers from the 
frame only (frame/fork/headset/BB) to the whole bike (minus the handlebars 
with the new replacement tires).


*NOTE:  When I received the bike from Riv, the top tube had a dent (see 
pics) that was created during the shipping process.  The top tube has a 
dent from the handlebars from the shipping process and Riv said that there 
are not any structural issues to worry about.  I decided the keep the bike 
at that time after speaking with Riv about the dent.  Pics of 
dent:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6cUlmM2hDaWxxb00 
*


I will take $650 for the frame/fork/BB/headset.  The bike will ship from 
Georgia and I will split the shipping cost with the buyer.
I will take $1,200 for the full bike *(handlebars/stem not included)* and I 
will pay the shipping cost.
I will ship to the Continental USA only.  Bike is located in Georgia.


* Again, the handlebars (the original bars had the built in stem) are 
not included and the original tires were replaced with Schwalbe Big Ben, 
RaceGuard Performance line, wire - 650B x 48 (50-584, 27.5x2) which cost 
$45 at Riv.*

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Re: [RBW] Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread bo richardson

i have a blue 54Ram and had a green 56 Ram and almost had an orange 54 which i 
wanted very badly.
So having bought and sold and watched i wish to substantiate what everyone else 
is saying.
A 54 ram in very nice shape with very good components and seat and pedals but 
maybe no nitto rack
i would price at 1800, give or take. Pulling the Brooks seat from this one 
dicker, dicker dicker. I dont
know what hubs or rims, but somewhere a litle south of 1800 without the seat?

Bo Richardson
Bellingham

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Kieran J

The two orange Ram framesets that I have bought, sold and bought were in 
the $600-700 range, including the original headset. I feel like a complete 
Ram in a popular mid-size such as yours would realistically sell for around 
$1200-1500 complete. If it didn't come with saddle or pedals, it might be 
towards the lower end of that range. Just my $0.02 anyways.

I have seen some sell on eBay over the years - at a wide range of final 
price points, IIFC.

KJ


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>
>
> 
> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one. 
>  It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar 
> bike for sale anywhere!
> Thanks
>

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Re: [RBW] Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

My 650b Ram has plenty of tire clearance for 42s and fenders :).

I paid ~$900 shipped for my frame with headset and BB.

Toshi

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[RBW] AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

Has anyone done this? Any problems?

Note: the older SA hubs, at least, were not 120 OL but 114. My AM is 114,
and I wonder if there will be enough axle extending beyond the dropouts to
accept the nuts. I will of course install spacers behind the locknuts.

I think it's the AM -- medium ratio 3 speed, not the 4 speed.

A bike with AM would be nice! Say, 51-60-71 gi.

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

I'm tempted to ask you if you want to trade my blue Sam for it but I see 
you are downsizing, and I'm also not 100% sure I would be willing to part 
with old blue. It would make a great upright bike.


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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

My first ever seeing-live-in-person Riv was an orange Ram in San Rafael, CA. 
That metallic paint has a multilevel shimmer to it which looks like 3D. To 
paraphrase Greg Kihn, they don't paint 'em like that anymore. 

Joe "my size, but doesn't fit my credit card right now, dangit" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

According to the brochure, blue ones with this build (link below) went for 
$2,100 USD new and complete. You could add or subtract from that for 
whatever you think is fair.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/rambflyer/18.html

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Deacon Patrick

Size rarity and condition are big factors in determining where in the range 
this will fall. Presuming that's a current photo and it is  as pristine as 
it looks here (used but in very good condition), I'd start closer to 2k 
than 800. Being simpler, the QB usually goes for less, but component 
upgrades, rare size, and condition meant I spent more that the usual 
$1,200, and was (still am!) happy to do so.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
>
> 
> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one. 
>  It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar 
> bike for sale anywhere!
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Michael Hechmer

A lot depends on the condition of the bike and quality of the components. 
 The age is almost irrelevant on a steel frame.   That is a very pretty 
crank by the way.  If someone is looking for a beautiful, comfortable joy 
ride, they should jump at it.  I hesitate to put down a number but can tell 
you that I happily paid $1800 for an early model Saluki in good condition, 
with good components, metal fenders and front & rear VO racks.  I have a 
blue Ram in good Condition, with top shelf (9 speed friction) components 
that's worth every bit as much as the Saluki.  In fact, today I told my 
insurance agent that its new replacement value was more than $3,000.

Michael

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>
>
> 
> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one. 
>  It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar 
> bike for sale anywhere!
> Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

2016-03-02 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

Pictures of the color from Mitch's Flickr page below. I love it. I think it's
called Black Currant Pearl. I'll put a link for the PPG paint tool also. It's
really neat. It's based on auto colors, so if you knew the make and year of a
car color you like you can pull it right out.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/24811442309/

http://www.ppgpaintit.com/Collision.aspx?Brand=PPGNA&ReturnBrand=PPGNACollision.aspx?Brand=PPGNA&ReturnBrand=PPGNA

I have a 52/42/30 triple on the Hilsen and here in Louisville (flat, flat,
flat!) I use my 42 ring most of the time with my 12/28 cassette. It really
makes Bill's suggestion of a 1x9 intriguing. I opted for a 48/32 compact Rene
Herse on the new bike, and I'll use a 12/32 cassette. I don't think your
gearing is wimpy at all. I probably could have easily gone with a 46/30 or
44/28, but I'm taking baby steps because I always thought I was a big, strong
masher. I no longer mash, especially with fake knees. No matter what you
choose, isn't it a blast picking it all out and worrying over the details?

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Re: [RBW] Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread iamkeith

That's in beautiful condition!  This is total "gut feeling," so take it for 
what it's worth.   Based on what other upper end, well-spec'd Rivendells in 
good condition typically sell for, I'd think it much closer to the $2,000 
range of that Legolas than the $800 range of that Romulus.  I might be 
biased, though.  With snow starting to melt, I was just today looking 
expectantly at mine, and admiring how nicely made it was made.  I know it 
was originally intended as Riv's first "attainable" model, designed to cost 
less than the semi-custom models of the day, but it has some really nice 
touches that a lot of the newer models just don't (can't) have. Graceful, 
double-tapered seat stays, extra windows painted in,  nicely thinned lug 
edges.  And that multi-step, labor-intensive orange is one of the most 
beautiful Riv colors ever.  You kind of have to see it in person to 
appreciate all this, though.  To me, the only things not perfect about the 
Ram are the limited tire clearance and the lack of rack brazeons on the 
front fork - but for someone in the market for a go-fast, those probably 
aren't important.  Sorry you have to let it go.

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 12:05:33 PM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Ebay "sold" listings is a good start.
>
> $1350 Bleriot 
> 
> <$2k Betty Foy (best offer accepted) 
> 
> $800 Romulus 
> 
> $1200 Quickbeam 
> 
> $2000 Legolas 
> 
> $1390 Sam 
> 
>
> You could also search this forum for FS listings from the past.
>
> Since the Rambouillet was the "fancy" brother of the Romulus, a price of 
> more than $800 would be fair, up to whatever you think is reasonable.  
>
> Orange is a very popular color for Rivendells.
>
> I recommend that you keep the nice accessories (especially the B17 Ti); 
> you won't get their value in a complete bike sale.  
> Many bikes are sold without any accessories, pedals, or seat, since new 
> owners like to customize those things for themselves.
>
> As for me, my Rivs are 59 cm and I'm short on funds after my Roadeo 
> purchase.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Williams  > wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
>> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
>> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
>> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
>> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one.  
>> It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
>> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
>> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
>> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
>> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current 
>> similar bike for sale anywhere!
>> Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Mark Williams

Thank you, Tim.

We're in Seattle.  It's just remarkable that so few if these bikes are on the 
market- I guess those that have them keep them.

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Re: [RBW] Compass Promenade vs. Bosco bars

I've used both. The Promenade are much smaller and narrower, so it's either
a rider and bike size issue. Or a personal preference. I'm big 5'11" and
had them for a while on my 58 Betty and loved them. I didn't enjoy the
Boscos on the Betty as much, but had all versions on the Hunqapillar for a
while.

Right now, I prefer the Ahearne long MAP on the Betty. No Boscos for me at
this time.

René

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Anyone used both the Promenade and the Bosco aluminum  (not the bullmoose)?
>
> What's your experience with them?
>
> The Promenade looks like a mini version of the Bosco, because the width
> and all is much smaller, but the design looks similar.
>
> Was wondering how the two compare.
>
> The small sized rider would like to go fast while holding onto the bar
> ends and sitting upright.
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[RBW] Compass Promenade vs. Bosco bars

Anyone used both the Promenade and the Bosco aluminum  (not the bullmoose)?

What's your experience with them?

The Promenade looks like a mini version of the Bosco, because the width and 
all is much smaller, but the design looks similar.

Was wondering how the two compare.

The small sized rider would like to go fast while holding onto the bar ends 
and sitting upright.

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[RBW] Re: not so simple simpleone

2016-03-02 Thread Andrew Patteson

What a cool bike.  I love the way you have changed it to suit you.  The 
shifter on the seatstay is especially great.  May I ask, what 6 speed 
cassette works with those narrow bmx freehubs?

Thanks for sharing it.
Andrew in SLC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reverse brake levers - pros, cons?

FWIW, I've got a pair of reverse Tektros, I think; stock on the Hon Solo;
black. Good condition. If anyone wants them, make me an offer with shipping
from 87120.

Trades ideas welcome.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 1:52 PM, JohnS  wrote:

> I've had very good experience with reverse levers and like that there
> isn't any interruption with the tape which may open up addition hand
> positions. I just completed an install on mustache bars on my fixed gear
> Salsa Casseroll. I'm really liking this set up and may go with it on my QB.
>
> JohnS
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:45:14 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
>> What's your experience?
>>
>> Thinking if I ever try an upright bar, would these be better than
>> strapping on mountain levers, just for the cleaner look.
>>
>> But I like bar ends. Not sure if bar ends can be used with these levers.
>>
>> Also wondering if the lever squeeze is easy at the extreme end of the
>> handle bar, since the lever joins the pod there.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Belopsky

Where are you located?

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 1:22:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Williams wrote:
>
>
> 
> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one. 
>  It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar 
> bike for sale anywhere!
> Thanks
>

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Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Wow! What did you brake that will take so long to heal?

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016, Reid  wrote:

> Oh man, I would just love to do this. For any of you thinking "maybe,"
> just sign up, send in your check, and do it. The setting is awesome.
> Unfortunately for me, I just managed a really dumb move while riding my AHH
> and the doc says I won't be riding before the end of June. Of course, by
> then I will be all flab from no riding. Arhh! If I manage to heal
> up really quickly, I'll just hope that a slot is still open. Sigh ... And
> for those of you who are wondering ... no need to worry, the AHH came
> through without a scratch.  :-)
>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread Reid

Oh man, I would just love to do this. For any of you thinking "maybe," just 
sign up, send in your check, and do it. The setting is awesome. 
Unfortunately for me, I just managed a really dumb move while riding my AHH 
and the doc says I won't be riding before the end of June. Of course, by 
then I will be all flab from no riding. Arhh! If I manage to heal 
up really quickly, I'll just hope that a slot is still open. Sigh ... And 
for those of you who are wondering ... no need to worry, the AHH came 
through without a scratch.  :-)

Reid

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

I've never been or ridden in the area, so feeling very intrigued. Working
out the logistics to see if I can make it, at least on Saturday for the
ride.

René

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm in. December was fantastic.
> Even if you didn't ride more than the two miles from Pantoll, this would
> still be a great thing to do. Or, you could ride anywhere you wanted, and
> have a great base to come back to!
> If you've ridden up Railroad Grade, you probably stopped at the West Point
> Inn for water, or a rest. You may have done that hundreds of times, and
> never even gone up on the porch. Now you can be the people inside the inn!
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>>
>> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
>> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
>> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
>> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>>
>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
>> labour of love sort of thing.
>>
>> So who's inn???
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread Philip Williamson

I'm in. December was fantastic. 
Even if you didn't ride more than the two miles from Pantoll, this would 
still be a great thing to do. Or, you could ride anywhere you wanted, and 
have a great base to come back to!
If you've ridden up Railroad Grade, you probably stopped at the West Point 
Inn for water, or a rest. You may have done that hundreds of times, and 
never even gone up on the porch. Now you can be the people inside the inn!

Philip
www.biketinker.com



On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Argh!!!

Thank you!

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:50 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hidden in plain sight! :-)
>
> Yes, the nights of June 24 & 25th, with the ramble and dinner on the 25th.
> Bring that Atlantis on over, René!
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Hi René  ,
>>
>> It's in the subject line. June 24th & 25th.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I keep reading but cannot find the dates in June for this event... am I
>>> missing the dates? Help me out to see if I'd be able to join, even if for
>>> Saturday only.
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well you know I'm in.

 When the Entmoot/ Riv twentieth happened I'll never forget that high.
 Folks from near and far converging on China Camp (Grant, Will & Jenny
 handing out raffle prizes) was an event like the one's you have as a youth
 that become a personal high water mark. I recall lister Jim Warren
 mentioning to me that we should have a Rivendell celebration the following
 year at the West Point Inn (which obviously didn't happen) at the time, I
 was sure Jim. But in reality I really didn't know what that would be like
 and what kind of effort it would require...fast forward to this past
 December and helping Jacquie celebrate her birthday at the the Inn was/is
 down right amazing! There you are on top of Tamalpais with "Billion" dollar
 views (Inflation don't you know) of the East Bay and the City and dirt fire
 road heaven at the threshold of the Inn. Inside the Inn we all converge
 with like minded bicycle obsessed folk imbibing the history along with
 spirits and food, it's like being a drug addict chasing a high but this is
 a high I'll gladly chase any day. Let's make some memories.

 June ain't coming fast enough! See you freaks on top of Tam and bring
 yer knobbies.

 ~Hugh
   Los Angeles, CA


 On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip
> to the West Point Inn , and had a
> phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!)
> birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we
> want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded 
> folks
> to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of 
> the
> most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we
> are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking
> the Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling
> back to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to 
> do
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area 
> has
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
> communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner
> provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping 
> to
> have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your
> favorite is a wa

Re: [RBW] Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Tim Gavin

Ebay "sold" listings is a good start.

$1350 Bleriot

<$2k Betty Foy (best offer accepted)

$800 Romulus

$1200 Quickbeam

$2000 Legolas

$1390 Sam


You could also search this forum for FS listings from the past.

Since the Rambouillet was the "fancy" brother of the Romulus, a price of
more than $800 would be fair, up to whatever you think is reasonable.

Orange is a very popular color for Rivendells.

I recommend that you keep the nice accessories (especially the B17 Ti); you
won't get their value in a complete bike sale.
Many bikes are sold without any accessories, pedals, or seat, since new
owners like to customize those things for themselves.

As for me, my Rivs are 59 cm and I'm short on funds after my Roadeo
purchase.

Best of luck,

Cheers,
Tim




On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mark Williams  wrote:

>
> 
> We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some
> treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue
> about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge
> was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so
> Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one.
> It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora
> because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium
> with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem,
> mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
> I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar
> bike for sale anywhere!
> Thanks
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

Hidden in plain sight! :-)

Yes, the nights of June 24 & 25th, with the ramble and dinner on the 25th. 
Bring that Atlantis on over, René!

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 10:29:32 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi René  ,
>
> It's in the subject line. June 24th & 25th.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> I keep reading but cannot find the dates in June for this event... am I 
>> missing the dates? Help me out to see if I'd be able to join, even if for 
>> Saturday only.
>>
>> René 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well you know I'm in.
>>>
>>> When the Entmoot/ Riv twentieth happened I'll never forget that high. 
>>> Folks from near and far converging on China Camp (Grant, Will & Jenny 
>>> handing out raffle prizes) was an event like the one's you have as a youth 
>>> that become a personal high water mark. I recall lister Jim Warren 
>>> mentioning to me that we should have a Rivendell celebration the following 
>>> year at the West Point Inn (which obviously didn't happen) at the time, I 
>>> was sure Jim. But in reality I really didn't know what that would be like 
>>> and what kind of effort it would require...fast forward to this past 
>>> December and helping Jacquie celebrate her birthday at the the Inn was/is 
>>> down right amazing! There you are on top of Tamalpais with "Billion" dollar 
>>> views (Inflation don't you know) of the East Bay and the City and dirt fire 
>>> road heaven at the threshold of the Inn. Inside the Inn we all converge 
>>> with like minded bicycle obsessed folk imbibing the history along with 
>>> spirits and food, it's like being a drug addict chasing a high but this is 
>>> a high I'll gladly chase any day. Let's make some memories.
>>>
>>> June ain't coming fast enough! See you freaks on top of Tam and bring 
>>> yer knobbies.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event 
 that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like 
 everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a 
 fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something 
 similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it. 

 Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip 
 to the West Point Inn , and had a 
 phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) 
 birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we 
 want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded 
 folks 
 to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of 
 the 
 most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we 
 are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!

 We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
 pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
 Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
 out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!

 The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we 
 can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for 
 Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than 
 $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical 
 even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.

 For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
 ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking 
 the Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling 
 back to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to 
 do 
 that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area 
 has 
 to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
 We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
 Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
 decent sized group there.

 Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and 
 communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner 
 provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping 
 to 
 have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your 
 favorite is a way to do it as well.

 Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four 
 to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, d

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread Hugh Smitham

Hi René  ,

It's in the subject line. June 24th & 25th.

Cheers,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, René Sterental  wrote:

> I keep reading but cannot find the dates in June for this event... am I
> missing the dates? Help me out to see if I'd be able to join, even if for
> Saturday only.
>
> René
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Well you know I'm in.
>>
>> When the Entmoot/ Riv twentieth happened I'll never forget that high.
>> Folks from near and far converging on China Camp (Grant, Will & Jenny
>> handing out raffle prizes) was an event like the one's you have as a youth
>> that become a personal high water mark. I recall lister Jim Warren
>> mentioning to me that we should have a Rivendell celebration the following
>> year at the West Point Inn (which obviously didn't happen) at the time, I
>> was sure Jim. But in reality I really didn't know what that would be like
>> and what kind of effort it would require...fast forward to this past
>> December and helping Jacquie celebrate her birthday at the the Inn was/is
>> down right amazing! There you are on top of Tamalpais with "Billion" dollar
>> views (Inflation don't you know) of the East Bay and the City and dirt fire
>> road heaven at the threshold of the Inn. Inside the Inn we all converge
>> with like minded bicycle obsessed folk imbibing the history along with
>> spirits and food, it's like being a drug addict chasing a high but this is
>> a high I'll gladly chase any day. Let's make some memories.
>>
>> June ain't coming fast enough! See you freaks on top of Tam and bring yer
>> knobbies.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>>
>>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>>
>>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>>
>>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>>> decent sized group there.
>>>
>>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
>>> communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner
>>> provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to
>>> have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your
>>> favorite is a way to do it as well.
>>>
>>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four
>>> to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>>
>>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>>
>>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>>
>>>
>>> Logistics to follow. Leaning tow

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

I keep reading but cannot find the dates in June for this event... am I
missing the dates? Help me out to see if I'd be able to join, even if for
Saturday only.

René

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Well you know I'm in.
>
> When the Entmoot/ Riv twentieth happened I'll never forget that high.
> Folks from near and far converging on China Camp (Grant, Will & Jenny
> handing out raffle prizes) was an event like the one's you have as a youth
> that become a personal high water mark. I recall lister Jim Warren
> mentioning to me that we should have a Rivendell celebration the following
> year at the West Point Inn (which obviously didn't happen) at the time, I
> was sure Jim. But in reality I really didn't know what that would be like
> and what kind of effort it would require...fast forward to this past
> December and helping Jacquie celebrate her birthday at the the Inn was/is
> down right amazing! There you are on top of Tamalpais with "Billion" dollar
> views (Inflation don't you know) of the East Bay and the City and dirt fire
> road heaven at the threshold of the Inn. Inside the Inn we all converge
> with like minded bicycle obsessed folk imbibing the history along with
> spirits and food, it's like being a drug addict chasing a high but this is
> a high I'll gladly chase any day. Let's make some memories.
>
> June ain't coming fast enough! See you freaks on top of Tam and bring yer
> knobbies.
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per per

[RBW] Used Rambouillet Value?

2016-03-02 Thread Mark Williams




We are downsizing to a much smaller home so I'm having to let go of some 
treasures, among them is my 54 cm Rambouillet, but I don't have a clue 
about its value.  I ordered one from Rivendell but the rear brake bridge 
was too high and I didn't want to file anything down to make it fit, so 
Grant sent me another frame with the correct dimensions which is this one. 
 It is all 8 speed Ultegra (except for the front derailleur which is Sora 
because it shifts better), DT rims Continental tires, Brooks B17 titanium 
with a pretty seatpost (but I don't remember the brand), Nitto stem, 
mustache bars and a Nitto  seat bag rack.
I would appreciate any advice on pricing as I can't find a current similar 
bike for sale anywhere!
Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reverse brake levers - pros, cons?

Interesting!

Personally, I'm very happy with my downtube shifters, but it's good to see
that there are some worthwhile choices for those who still want barend
shifters.

@ Clyde: Yes, the reverse brake work "backwards", but the lever is still
pulling the cable against the housing.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Garth  wrote:

>I wouldn't ride a Alba or similar bar without them !   You can mount
> Paul thumbies next to the lever if you wish.
> http://www.biketinker.com/2013/projects/reverso-levers-and-bar-end-shifters/
>
> I prefer thumbies around the inside top inside myself as my hands are most
> often in the middle on up, almost never all the way back. I usually brake
> with just 2 or 3 fingers, the smallest ones .
>
>
> Alternatively, Jtek makes some levers that mount into Shimano bar end
> shifters, and reverse brake levers that clamp on(22.2) that you can mount
> just after the bar end shifter.
>
>
> http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-levers-other-dept667_pg1/?geoc=us#filterkey=brand&brand=JTEK_ENGINEERING&page=1
>
>
> Pretty much whatever you want to do ...
>
>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread Hugh Smitham

Well you know I'm in.

When the Entmoot/ Riv twentieth happened I'll never forget that high. Folks 
from near and far converging on China Camp (Grant, Will & Jenny handing out 
raffle prizes) was an event like the one's you have as a youth that become 
a personal high water mark. I recall lister Jim Warren mentioning to me 
that we should have a Rivendell celebration the following year at the West 
Point Inn (which obviously didn't happen) at the time, I was sure Jim. But 
in reality I really didn't know what that would be like and what kind of 
effort it would require...fast forward to this past December and helping 
Jacquie celebrate her birthday at the the Inn was/is down right amazing! 
There you are on top of Tamalpais with "Billion" dollar views (Inflation 
don't you know) of the East Bay and the City and dirt fire road heaven at 
the threshold of the Inn. Inside the Inn we all converge with like minded 
bicycle obsessed folk imbibing the history along with spirits and food, 
it's like being a drug addict chasing a high but this is a high I'll gladly 
chase any day. Let's make some memories.

June ain't coming fast enough! See you freaks on top of Tam and bring yer 
knobbies.

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA


On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

2016-03-02 Thread Evan E.

This event sounds fantastic! Bravo to David for setting it up. (Am bummed 
that I'll be away on vacation at that time.)

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[RBW] Re: Reverse brake levers - pros, cons?

2016-03-02 Thread Garth

   I wouldn't ride a Alba or similar bar without them !   You can mount 
Paul thumbies next to the lever if you wish.  
http://www.biketinker.com/2013/projects/reverso-levers-and-bar-end-shifters/

I prefer thumbies around the inside top inside myself as my hands are most 
often in the middle on up, almost never all the way back. I usually brake 
with just 2 or 3 fingers, the smallest ones . 


Alternatively, Jtek makes some levers that mount into Shimano bar end 
shifters, and reverse brake levers that clamp on(22.2) that you can mount 
just after the bar end shifter. 

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/brake-levers-other-dept667_pg1/?geoc=us#filterkey=brand&brand=JTEK_ENGINEERING&page=1


Pretty much whatever you want to do ...



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Re: [RBW] Reverse brake levers - pros, cons?

2016-03-02 Thread clyde canter

Do the cables work backwards...ie...I guess you would be pulling the cable
instead of pushing the housing?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> An option would be to run cross levers backwards in the reverse lever
> position, then the ends would still be open for barcon use.
> Scott
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
> > What's your experience?
> >
> > Thinking if I ever try an upright bar, would these be better than
> strapping
> > on mountain levers, just for the cleaner look.
> >
> > But I like bar ends. Not sure if bar ends can be used with these levers.
> >
> > Also wondering if the lever squeeze is easy at the extreme end of the
> handle
> > bar, since the lever joins the pod there.
> >
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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

2016-03-02 Thread Ryan Fleming

Tim...I'd love to see the  colour you are talking about , if you have a 
photo; that sounds   really close to  what I want. Anyhow, the Riv site 
directed me to the Joe Bell Imron PDF...but from what you're saying , that 
exact colour might not be available...but I expect JB will come up with a 
pretty close equivalent...oh and one other thing...going for old-school , 
not Viking style Riv decals. Also , Grant told me that I can have slightly 
less rococo lugs than , say , the Glorius , so I went with that. 

About the gearing...I like 36-38 for the inner chain ring...My PX-10 SS has 
a 36 X 20 , which with a tailwind or on a downhill grade , I'm spun 
out...OTOH into a wind or grade, I'm good. I know it sounds like a bit of a 
wimpy gear , but there it is.  It may be that this bike morphs into a 1 X 9 
; that's not a bad alternative either. Believe it or not, with my 
multi-geared bikes , I shift when I have to, but I really don't shift a 
lot. 

So, I'm actually very interested in y'all's feedback regarding gearing so 
thanks for all comments!

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 5:51:34 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> Maybe someone can enlighten me? When I floated an Imron color (from Eric's 
> campy only site) to Mitch Pryor for my new rando bike, he told me it was no 
> longer available due to the toxicity of the paint. He uses PPG paint, and I 
> chose my color from their online tool. I was looking for a deep, metallic 
> maroon-type color. I've only seen photos of the bike but it looks great. 
> Mitch had it at NAHBS. Back to the point...is Imron still available. From 
> what I see on the google way back machine, maybe it is, but with a changed 
> formula? The original seems to have been outlawed in CA in the '80s. Just 
> curious. But the bike sounds great Ryan, with a really nice build. But I 
> might agree with Bill that even in a non-hilly area you might find the 40 
> tooth big ring a bit small, even for a spinner. Maybe 46/30 or 44/28? 
> Whatever you choose, a custom mixte sounds really sweet!

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

Hands behind steering  axis:

With Albatross bars and 8(?) cm stem at max height on my Sam the steering felt 
just as good as with drops with 8 cm stem. Smooth and stable.
Standing climbing holding the bar ends on the grips was same. Excellent control 
and leverage.
Never used a longer stem though. Some people use those really long stems. 
Theyll jave to chime in.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

2016-03-02 Thread Ryan Fleming

Hi Rene,

Yes, those   Berthoud mudflaps are  robust, I grant you that

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:44:29 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>
> Thanks Ryan!
>
> On the Atlantis I'm actually using a Brooks leather mudflap because I had 
> it and like it in brown. On the Hunqapillar, I actually had the Berthoud in 
> black; it's even thicker and larger than the Brooks. Fit well with the 60mm 
> Berthoud fenders I had on it, but I think it's overkill. The Brooks are 
> actually very nice and a bit lighter. They also fit better on 50mm and 
> under fenders. Haven't tried them on Honjos, though, I wonder if they're 
> still too heavy for the lighter aluminum fenders. I saw the Honjo mudguards 
> at NAHBS, but haven't been able to find them; they're smaller and much 
> lighter, although only come in black and not real leather.
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: Need advice on a potential Quickbeam Modification


Do you have to carry a spare belt with you wherever you go?

If a chain snaps you just need a power link.

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[RBW] Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!