Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[Joe Bernard]

Or you can grease the spindle. That's always an option. 

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[David Person]

I meant to say that the steps between gears on the 8 speed Nexus/Alfine are not 
as even as the 2 x 9 setup on the Sam.  

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

I knew who you meant... :)

That's perfect way to maximize you down-time! A lot of driving about, but
seems doable. Totally no problem on our end.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> David, apologies because I think I accidentally called you Jim on my first
> email J
>
>
>
> I will probably rent a car on Friday from SFO, spend the one Friday night
> at West Point Inn (if it’s available to me), go on the ride on Saturday and
> get back to my car by around 4pm so I can pack it up and get to Oakland
> Airport (return car) and fly out by 8pm.
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 10:16 PM
>
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> All based on the timing of it!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>
> Absolutely! I just don’t know what to do with the suitcase while I’m
> riding. Maybe I can store it and my other bag in someone’s car?
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> That's why you bought a travel bike, right!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>
> Jim, I might be able to do the 24th ride. I will be coming in from a
> National Sales Meeting in Paso & arriving early afternoon around either San
> Jose or SFO. I could bring my Ritchey breakaway Cross bike. I leave for
> Europe on June 25th @ 8pm out of Oakland Airport. I’d love to do this so
> let me know if I can join?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
>
> There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
> and dissuaded by my previous post...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
>
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
>
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
>
> More details to follow!
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
> talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
>
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
> the Wes

Re: [RBW] Ride report about a 400K on an A.Homer Hilsen

[cyclotourist]

It most definitely feels good to be alive!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Iron Rider <1000...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For those who may be interested:
>
>
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2016/05/spirited-rides-or-revisting-hierarchy.html
>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

All based on the timing of it!!!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Absolutely! I just don’t know what to do with the suitcase while I’m
> riding. Maybe I can store it and my other bag in someone’s car?
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:42 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> That's why you bought a travel bike, right!!!
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>
> Jim, I might be able to do the 24th ride. I will be coming in from a
> National Sales Meeting in Paso & arriving early afternoon around either San
> Jose or SFO. I could bring my Ritchey breakaway Cross bike. I leave for
> Europe on June 25th @ 8pm out of Oakland Airport. I’d love to do this so
> let me know if I can join?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
>
> There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
> and dissuaded by my previous post...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
>
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
>
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
>
> More details to follow!
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
> talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
>
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
>
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
>
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!)
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
>
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack

[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

That's why you bought a travel bike, right!!!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Jim, I might be able to do the 24th ride. I will be coming in from a
> National Sales Meeting in Paso & arriving early afternoon around either San
> Jose or SFO. I could bring my Ritchey breakaway Cross bike. I leave for
> Europe on June 25th @ 8pm out of Oakland Airport. I’d love to do this so
> let me know if I can join?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> socalallround...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West
> Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!
>
>
>
> So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
>
> There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
> and dissuaded by my previous post...
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
>
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
>
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
>
> More details to follow!
>
>
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
> talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
>
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
>
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
>
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!)
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
>
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
> decent sized group there.
>
>
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
> a way to do it as well.
>
>
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
> dishes, sweep the floors 

Re: [RBW] Spring in CA

[cyclotourist]

Thanks for putting that together and sharing. What a great adventure!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy folks,
>
> Here are photos  of a trip
> this past Spring inspired and aided by many of you. Thanks to all who
> helped me put these routes together.
>
> Best,
> Daniel
> Northeast Kingdom, VT
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[RBW] Ride report about a 400K on an A.Homer Hilsen

[Iron Rider]

For those who may be interested:

http://eprider.blogspot.com/2016/05/spirited-rides-or-revisting-hierarchy.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

Thanks, Doug! Excited this many people can jump on board!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:11 PM, dougP  wrote:

> This will be a super fun weekend. Thanks for getting this off the ground.
>
> Doug p
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[Jack B]

I have some black back rollers, and they're good, but I hate trying to find 
anything lost in the bag. I they make a lighter interior color, then definitely 
consider it!

More than once I've strewn a pile of pannier stuff on the sidewalk looking for 
my keys or light. So dark in there!

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[dougP]

This will be a super fun weekend. Thanks for getting this off the ground. 

Doug p

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[Kainalu]

The Plus also rolls tighter than the Classic
-Kai



On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 11:59:58 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>
> The Ortlieb Plus fabric looks good and is waterproof. The Ortlieb Classic 
> fabric is ugly and is waterproof. The Plus costs a little more, but not 
> enough to go classic. 
> Take a look at these beautiful green roll tops from thetouringstore, or 
> the black is classy.
> -Kai
> NYC
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:53:58 PM UTC-4, kielsun wrote:
>>
>> You read my mind, Jeff. REI has the front rollers for $120 right now. The 
>> fashion police won't be happy, but I've read such great things, in your 
>> review and elsewhere, about how easily they mount and how well they keep 
>> things dry. I suppose those two things are more important than how they 
>> look--but somehow it's still difficult to pull the trigger!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[Kainalu]

The Ortlieb Plus fabric looks good and is waterproof. The Ortlieb Classic 
fabric is ugly and is waterproof. The Plus costs a little more, but not 
enough to go classic. 
Take a look at these beautiful green roll tops from thetouringstore, or the 
black is classy.
-Kai
NYC


On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:53:58 PM UTC-4, kielsun wrote:
>
> You read my mind, Jeff. REI has the front rollers for $120 right now. The 
> fashion police won't be happy, but I've read such great things, in your 
> review and elsewhere, about how easily they mount and how well they keep 
> things dry. I suppose those two things are more important than how they 
> look--but somehow it's still difficult to pull the trigger!
>
> Bob
>

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Re: [RBW] Spring in CA

[Curtis McKenzie]

Wonderful!

Curtis

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, kielsun  wrote:

> Really cool! Beautiful pictures.
>
> I have a 17-month old and am planning to head out for a couple of weekends
> this summer. What's the front seat you used? Any other tips? Feel free to
> PM. Don't want to hijack. Thanks!
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[RBW] FS: SRAM Brake Levers and Cables

[Eric Norris]

Nice levers, with a few minor scuffs, that didn't match the aesthetic I was 
aiming for. 

Yours for $25 shipped in the USA. Includes cable and housing to fit bikes with 
top tube cable stops.

–Eric N

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

So it would appear I can't count to 20 without having to take off my socks.
There are two spots available in an inside room if anyone was on the fence
and dissuaded by my previous post...
:)

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:54 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for,
> which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.
>
> Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and
> ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI
> down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill.
> A casual pace will be maintained!
>
> Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in
> on that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and
> hoped for, actually!
> More details to follow!
>
> Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into
> place perfectly!!!
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>>
>> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
>> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
>> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
>> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>>
>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
>> lab

[RBW] Re: A Soma San Marcos (Amos) Build

[Justin Schoop]

Thanks, I have a pair showing up tomorrow.

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Re: [RBW] Spring in CA

[kielsun]

Really cool! Beautiful pictures.

I have a 17-month old and am planning to head out for a couple of weekends this 
summer. What's the front seat you used? Any other tips? Feel free to PM. Don't 
want to hijack. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Spring in CA

[James Warren]

That was amazing!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Daniel Jackson  
> wrote:
> 
> Howdy folks,
> 
> Here are photos of a trip this past Spring inspired and aided by many of you. 
> Thanks to all who helped me put these routes together. 
> 
> Best,
> Daniel
> Northeast Kingdom, VT
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[RBW] Bike Displacement, or, Clementine Kicks Lady Le Tour to the Curb

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Or, Le Tour Redux

My main commuter & around & about bike before the Clementine was my Schwinn 
Le Tour, doing its impersonation of a Cheviot. Its chainstays are not as 
long, and it only takes a 35mm tire with fenders, but a super fun ride. 
When C came to town, the Le Tour was unceremoniously stripped of its 
Back-o-bike bags and the Piccolo Moose rack and left with fender stays 
dangling, looking forlorn and forgotten in a corner of the bedroom.

But while the Clementine gets most of the miles these days, I wanted to 
keep a few other bikes in the rotation. Last Saturday I road the Noodled 
Kuwahara to work, and I wanted to compare the Albatross to the Boscos after 
giving the Bs a few months (The Riv upright handlebar ABCs: A=Albatross, 
B=Bosco, C=Choco), so I dug around for a rack and found some hardware and a 
pannier and pumped up the tires. I really dislike the asymmetrical pannier 
look, may be forced to buy a match. Monday is my day off and I went for a 
ride on my favorite little loop around town and diverted off to the one 
mile Dennings Point trail. 

Some photos here:

https://goo.gl/photos/DsSf1bsDcBzpu3ah8

Everything was popping spring green. I startled a family of geese at the 
trailhead to Dennings Point, site of Dennings Point Brick Works, and they 
swam off, with the Gateway to the Hudson Highlands in the distance; that's 
Breakneck on the left, Storm King on the right. The brick works supplied 
the blocks of hardened clay used in building the Empire State Building. A 
few stretches of the path feature embedded bricks with the DPBW 
appellation, protruding somewhat hazardously. Not just industrial history 
here; Alexander Hamilton wrote early drafts of the Federalist Papers on 
this spit of land. Toward the farthest point out, I took the shot of Mount 
Beacon, with the towers on top.

Late May and the showy flowering trees and the gaudy early bloomers of 
spring are gone and the mid-summer wildflower extravaganza is not yet here, 
but there are lots of species of smaller white and yellow and purple 
flowers tucked in the woods and fields. Along the Hudson, another goose 
eyed a mylar balloon with a threatening stare, as geese are wont to do.

Riv content: Literally, at the moment, the German mirror. But the Le Tour 
is of course inspired in some measure by Rivendell Bicycle Works (and was 
knocked out of the top spot in the rotation by a RBW bicycle.) And reading 
Petersen's latest post just now, it dawned on me that in some ways, 
Rivendell could be seen as the spiritual successor to the Schwinn brand 
when it was at its apex of quality. In terms of quality bicycles built to 
last, of what one imagines the ethos of the company might have been in its 
earlier days, not sales or ubiquitousness or popularity--obviously we live 
in a different time.

(sorry for the double post in emails. wrong link)

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[RBW] Spring in CA

[Daniel Jackson]

Howdy folks,

Here are photos  of a trip 
this past Spring inspired and aided by many of you. Thanks to all who 
helped me put these routes together. 

Best,
Daniel
Northeast Kingdom, VT

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[RBW] Bike Displacement, or, Clementine Kicks Lady Le Tour to the Curb

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Or, Le Tour Redux

My main commuter & around & about bike before the Clementine was my Schwinn 
Le Tour, doing its impersonation of a Cheviot. Its chainstays are not as 
long, and it only takes a 35mm tire with fenders, but a super fun ride. 
When C came to town, the Le Tour was unceremoniously stripped of its 
Back-o-bike bags and the Piccolo Moose rack and left with fender stays 
dangling, looking forlorn and forgotten in a corner of the bedroom.

But while the Clementine gets most of the miles these days, I wanted to 
keep a few other bikes in the rotation. Last Saturday I road the Noodled 
Kuwahara to work, and I wanted to compare the Albatross to the Boscos after 
giving the Bs a few months (The Riv upright handlebar ABCs: A=Albatross, 
B=Bosco, C=Choco), so I dug around for a rack and found some hardware and a 
pannier and pumped up the tires. I really dislike the asymmetrical pannier 
look, may be forced to buy a match. Monday is my day off and I went for a 
ride on my favorite little loop around town and diverted off to the one 
mile Dennings Point trail. 

Some photos here:

https://goo.gl/photos/ZE7TtQbt1dt4Nctn9

Everything was popping spring green. I startled a family of geese at the 
trailhead to Dennings, and they swam off, with the Gateway to the Hudson 
Highlands in the distance; that's Breakneck on the left, Storm King on the 
right. Dennings Point was the site of a brick works, and it supplied the 
blocks of hardened clay used in building the Empire State Building. A few 
stretches of the path feature embedded bricks with the DPBW appellation 
protruding somewhat hazardously. Not just industrial history here; 
Alexander Hamilton wrote early drafts of the Federalist Papers on this spit 
of land. Toward the farthest point out, I took the shot of Mount Beacon, 
with the towers on top.

Late May and the showy flowering trees and the gaudy early bloomers of 
spring are gone and the mid-summer wildflower extravaganza is not yet here, 
but there are lots of species of smaller white and yellow and purple 
flowers tucked in the woods and fields. Along the Hudson, another goose 
eyed a mylar balloon with a threatening stare, as geese are wont to do.

Riv content: Literally, at the moment, the German mirror. But the Le Tour 
is of course inspired in some measure by Rivendell Bicycle Works (and was 
knocked out of the top spot in the rotation by a RBW bicycle.) And reading 
Petersen's latest post just now, it dawned on me that in some ways, 
Rivendell could be seen as the spiritual successor to the Schwinn brand 
when it was at its apex of quality. In terms of quality bicycles built to 
last, of what one imagines the ethos of the company might have been in its 
earlier days, not sales or ubiquitousness or popularity--obviously we live 
in a different time.

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

You read my mind, Jeff. REI has the front rollers for $120 right now. The 
fashion police won't be happy, but I've read such great things, in your 
review and elsewhere, about how easily they mount and how well they keep 
things dry. I suppose those two things are more important than how they 
look--but somehow it's still difficult to pull the trigger!

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have experience with Ortlieb front and rear classic rollers as well as
with Swift Industries panniers. I find that the Ortliebs are a great size
for the front, and their mounting hardware is superior - mounting and
removal can be done very easily and they hold firmly on the rack.

If you like a traditional waxed canvas look, the classic Ortlieb rollers
are a polar opposite. They're shiny and look and function similar to a dry
bag. They'll lose the touring fashion show every time.

The waxed canvas Swift rollers, on the other hand, are an attractive and
functional bag. They are weatherproof but not waterproof like the Ortliebs,
and the mounting mechanism is a more traditional open set of hooks for the
rail mount and a bungee to hold tension - this is a decent solution, but
inferior IMHO to the Ortlieb mount.

If the Ortliebs are cut or ripped, repair involves some process similar to
patching an inner tube if I understand correctly, while the waxed canvas
can be sewn or patched in a more standard way.

Waxed canvas panniers appear generally more expensive than the classic
Ortlieb rollers.

In my non-scientific test, my Ortliebs appear lighter than similar-sized
waxed canvas panniers.

For full touring kit for more than a few days of consecutive riding, I
really like Ortlieb stuff. For short trips or overnights, where a single
set of front panniers and maybe a saddlebag will suffice, I like the waxed
canvas options, just in case I run into any fashion police.

If I could have just one set of panniers/bike luggage, I'd probably choose
Ortlieb. I bought mine from Wayne at the touring store. That being said, if
you're an REI member that have a nice sale going on right now and a 20% off
coupon for regular priced items. It looks like they have the Ortliebs on
sale on their web site.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, kielsun  wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. I ordered a Tubus Tara and the mid-fork kit a few hours ago
> from Bike24 in Germany--I wanted a silver version to match my rear rack and
> I guess they can't be had stateside. Pretty great prices, too, even with
> shipping.
>
> I'm still up on the air about which panniers (and openly soliciting
> offers), although I'm leaning heavily toward some of the Ortlieb Front
> Rollers. Any advice thereon is appreciated!
>
> Bob
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>>
>> I have a Duo that shares the upper fork eyelets with a small Nitro bag
>> rack. The lower rack mount is a p-clamp, and the rack isn't level. This
>> gets the panniers up for ground clearance off-road. Functional but not
>> elegant.
>>
>> If clearance isn't an issue, go with Tara & Tubus mid-fork kit. Another
>> endorsement for Wayne at the Touring Store. Good guy with good stuff at
>> good prices.
>>
>> Doug p
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[kielsun]

Thanks, Doug. I ordered a Tubus Tara and the mid-fork kit a few hours ago 
from Bike24 in Germany--I wanted a silver version to match my rear rack and 
I guess they can't be had stateside. Pretty great prices, too, even with 
shipping. 

I'm still up on the air about which panniers (and openly soliciting 
offers), although I'm leaning heavily toward some of the Ortlieb Front 
Rollers. Any advice thereon is appreciated!

Bob

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:26:32 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> I have a Duo that shares the upper fork eyelets with a small Nitro bag 
> rack. The lower rack mount is a p-clamp, and the rack isn't level. This 
> gets the panniers up for ground clearance off-road. Functional but not 
> elegant.
>
> If clearance isn't an issue, go with Tara & Tubus mid-fork kit. Another 
> endorsement for Wayne at the Touring Store. Good guy with good stuff at 
> good prices.
>
> Doug p
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Soma San Marcos (Amos) Build

[Lucero]

While the previously mounted Schwalbe Marathons are tops in terms of 
durability and reliability (i.e. they're bomb-proof), the Compass tires 
easily outclass them in terms of pure ride quality. Between weighing 
roughly two lbs less per set and being constructed of much more supple 
casing, I am finding all the praise Compass tires get regarding speed and 
comfort to be justified. FYI for those interested, my calipers measure the 
week-old set at about 40.5 mm.

My only other tire comparison in 650b would be the Soma B-line, which is 
essentially a 38mm Pasela. The Marathons and B-lines would serve as great 
tires for many practical applications, but this new set of Babyshoe Pass 
tires has me simultaneously riding faster AND enjoying the ride much more.

Will report back on these tires after a few months of zipping around on 
mixed terrain...

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:25:28 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Any comment on the tires so far?

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[RBW] Have you used these wet weather pads?

[Lungimsam]

Are they better than salmon Kool Stops and salmon Yokuzuna?

Scroll down to see the blue wet weather pads:

http://www.swissstop.com/tech/compounds/bxp/

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Re: [RBW] Re: hard cases for shipping

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Some very good points, Scott -- especially the one about the more durable 
the case looks, the more it could be abused!

Bob E

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium Grey Saddlesack

[Daniel Jackson]

Price drop. $180 shipped.

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> Brand new. $190 shipped takes it!
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Re: [RBW] Re: B&M IQ-X users please advise

[Eric Norris]

Nope. 

I don’t particularly like the “automatic-only” way the IQ-X is designed—I would 
prefer to be able to switch between “auto” and “just turn the darn thing on 
full strength”—but in practice it works fine.

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> On May 24, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
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> So as twilight progresses, have you ever felt it wasn't clicking over to 
> night mode in time for your eyes? 
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Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

[dougP]

I have a Duo that shares the upper fork eyelets with a small Nitro bag rack. 
The lower rack mount is a p-clamp, and the rack isn't level. This gets the 
panniers up for ground clearance off-road. Functional but not elegant.

If clearance isn't an issue, go with Tara & Tubus mid-fork kit. Another 
endorsement for Wayne at the Touring Store. Good guy with good stuff at good 
prices.

Doug p

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[Joe Broach]

​
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

>
> 2. No grease on square taper spindles. It encourages installing the crank
> too hard to the point of splitting it.
>

I think it's not a big deal either way, but here's Jobst on the subject,
via Sheldon: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/installing-cranks.html

I also would be really surprised if you could split a crank by driving it
up the taper with normal hand tools. Take your time, and think about what
you're doing. This is one place you can really mess things* up, but you
probably won't!

Best,
joe
pdx or

* mainly the extraction threads (not getting the tool threaded in properly)
or crank arm taper (by failing to get up to torque)



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> 1. I've never used a torque wrench, but I've been doing this stuff as long
> as Mark has and probably have am internal torque sensor in my head. Torque
> wrenches are a good thing.
>
> 2. No grease on square taper spindles. It encourages installing the crank
> too hard to the point of splitting it.
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[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[dougP]

Point of dis-agreement. I use anti-sieze on the spindle, and short wrenches to 
avoid over-tightening. Valid point about over-tightening; it's easy to do. It's 
a bicycle, not a bulldozer; easy does it, esp with aluminum.

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[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[Joe Bernard]

1. I've never used a torque wrench, but I've been doing this stuff as long as 
Mark has and probably have am internal torque sensor in my head. Torque 
wrenches are a good thing. 

2. No grease on square taper spindles. It encourages installing the crank too 
hard to the point of splitting it. 

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[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[Lungimsam]

Thanks. two more questions:

1.Just push on the crank and tighten like Mark does? No need to worry about 
torque spec? It will settle in the original place on the spindle? Only 
reason I mention that is because I think one of the Randonneurs on this 
forum said he messed up his spindle by overtightening or something?

2. Grease the spindle, too when putting the crankarm back on? 

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[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[dougP]

I've always used anti-sieze in place of grease. Seems to last forever. Never 
had any problems even after years. 

Doug p

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[RBW] Re: Price drop on El Fito at Ibex

[Daniel D.]

lots of good stuff on sale that lightweight jacket northridge(?) for ~$50 
is calling me. if I hadn't already put in my order for the fito and paid 
shipping...  

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:24:05 PM UTC-7, Madam Xylene wrote:
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> PS Wear 3/4 tights.

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[RBW] Re: Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[Michael Hechmer]

Yes.  First, when you insert the crank bolt extractor make sure you 
thread it all the way in.  You are relying on those threads to break the 
bond between the crank and the BB.  Second. if you are working with a 
Sugino crank, as shown on the video, keep in mind that you are working with 
the most awkward crank on the market, so as you work to get that hidden 
bolt in, be patient.  Third, as you tighten the remaining bolts be sure to 
work on opposing bolts, as they do in the video.  Otherwise one bolt can 
feel tight as it creates a tiny space on the adjacent bolt. 
Michael

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 6:10:04 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
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> Is there anything else I need to know?
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09NxISvfHwE
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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Daniel D.]

I wish you ran a sports book:p.  While not as dramatic as steve's 
description seems we have plenty of scraped shins in the group.  When was 
the last time you read a JRA and poof fingers in chain and sprocket story?

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 8:44:48 AM UTC-7, BSWP wrote:
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> Sure, I have a few scrapes over the years, but I would not say the setup 
> is prone to mangling my flesh... no more so that chains and sprockets are 
> prone to shredding fingers. 
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Sugino chainring swap as easy as this Rivideo makes it look?

[Lungimsam]

Is there anything else I need to know?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09NxISvfHwE

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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Daniel D.]

I wish you ran a sports book:p

>  Sure, I have a few scrapes over the years, but I would not say the setup 
> is prone to mangling my flesh... no more so that chains and sprockets are 
> prone to shredding fingers. 
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Looking for an Albastache bar and dirt drop 8cm stem

[steve]

Let me know if anyone has one they are willing to let go off or even a 
complete cockpit set up.  Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Jim Bronson]

The law in my state says you only have to ride as far right as is
"practicable".  Therefore I would not have moved over any more than was
practicable, and definitely not over the white line unless there was a
large shoulder with an assured clear obstacle free distance.

If they're racey types they can go around, I'm sure they're used to doing
that.

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Jay LePree  wrote:

> Hi group,
> I am writing to ask how you would have handled this and to get a bad
> action off my chest.  Today, I was coming home with some baked goods after
> my ride in Nyack, NY on my Rambouillet, set up with a big saddle
> bag..Clearly not a race type looking bicycle.  I was on a road with a
> narrow shoulder and riding near the white line.  I saw a pack of cyclists
> bearing down on me, maybe at least 20 strong.  My first mistake was to ride
> inside the white line instead of taking the lane, but then again, I was not
> sure how they would react and did not want to cause a pile up.  They passed
> me without any warning and were perhaps 6 inches away from me.  There was a
> sewer drain in front of me.  Rather than move toward the center of the road
> to allow me to avoid it, they ran me right into it.  I was able to slow
> enough to get over it.  (One of those sunken-in type drains with oval
> holes, not bicycle friendly.)  As all this was proceeding, the combination
> of surprise, fear of dumping the bike, and just consternation that a group
> of cyclists would treat a fellow cyclist like this, I said, quite
> clearly...A**h*les.  (How hard would it have been to move to the center of
> the road? How hard would it have been to alert me to their presence.)  It
> was dumb move on my part.  Not taking the lane and then allowing my
> emotions to get the best of me.  (Nothing happened after
> thatfortunately, they were too much into their ride and keeping pace
> that no one stopped or challenged me back.)  I confession is in order for
> today I guess.
>
> It is an unfair question as this group was not there, but would you have
> taken the lane?  Would you have trusted them to react accordingly?  If I
> had more warning, I would have stopped and dismounted an went onto the
> sidewalk until they passed;  however they really were moving.  I saw them
> in the distance in my rearview mirror, and the then they were on top of me.
>
> Jay,
> Demarest, NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Steve Palincsar]

Absolutely.  Two thumbs up for the Snow Hill route.  I may do the 
Seagull again, but I certainly won't do the Assateague route any more.


On 05/24/2016 04:54 PM, Lungimsam wrote:
I rode the Snow Hill Seagull century ride and it was the quieter route 
with less attendance and pacelines. Highly recommended to anyone 
wanting to try the Seagull, if it is still the same. The Assateague 
Seagull course was scarier. Much more crowded on the roads and more 
pacelines.


I know people race and want to do pacelines, but if cars did that 
wouldn't that be reckless driving? Tailgating?


And, does the three feet passing law in states that have it also apply 
to cyclists passing cyclists?





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[RBW] Re: B&M IQ-X users please advise

[Lungimsam]

So as twilight progresses, have you ever felt it wasn't clicking over to 
night mode in time for your eyes? 

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[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Lungimsam]

I rode the Snow Hill Seagull century ride and it was the quieter route 
with less attendance and pacelines. Highly recommended to anyone wanting to 
try the Seagull, if it is still the same. The Assateague Seagull course was 
scarier. Much more crowded on the roads and more pacelines.

I know people race and want to do pacelines, but if cars did that wouldn't 
that be reckless driving? Tailgating?

And, does the three feet passing law in states that have it also apply to 
cyclists passing cyclists?

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Re: [RBW] B&M IQ-X users please advise

[Eric Norris]

In my experience, it has to be fully dark for the "nighttime" light to come on. 
A cloudy or rainy day should keep the daytime light on, but I have to admit 
that I haven't taken it out in the rain. The sensor function is also set so 
that it takes a few seconds of darkness to activate the nighttime mode (to keep 
it from flipping back and forth).

The daytime mode isn't supposed to light up the road--it's intended to make you 
more visible to oncoming motorists. Unless the rainy day was *super* dark, you 
shouldn't need a headlight, and if it was that dark (like night) the IQ-X 
should come on.

--Eric N
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> On May 24, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
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> Trying to understand the auto modes on this light before buying.
> 
> Sounds like it has a daylight mode that is always on, but then the night mode 
> comes on automatically.
> Correct?
> 
> Does the bright night mode come on while riding in overcast/rain, or only at 
> night? Is the day mode bright enough for rainy days?
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[RBW] Re: B&M IQ-X users please advise

[Lungimsam]

This is the light:
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ltd-17.htm

Trying to understand the auto modes on this light before buying.

Sounds like it has a daylight mode that is always on, but then the night 
mode comes on automatically.
Correct?

Does the bright night mode come on while riding in overcast/rain, or only 
at night? Is the day mode bright enough for rainy days?
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[RBW] B&M IQ-X users please advise

[Lungimsam]

Trying to understand the auto modes on this light before buying.

Sounds like it has a daylight mode that is always on, but then the night 
mode comes on automatically.
Correct?

Does the bright night mode come on while riding in overcast/rain, or only 
at night? Is the day mode bright enough for rainy days?

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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[iamkeith]

Well,   I posted that last question as you were posting.  Ironic timing. 

I'm still curious how a regular bolt would work, though, rather than none 
at all.

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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[iamkeith]

Ryan,

Perhaps this is what you were saying, but have you tried replacing the 
sharpened screws on the Vice pedals with standard, M4 hex bolts.  If you 
could find a bolt that stuck up just 1 to 1 1/2 mm above the platform, it 
may be "just enough" grip, without being too sharp.

Here's a good illustration of both VP pedals, plus other Riv/MKS Pedals. 
 The screw spikes on the Vice seem like they'd be easier to remove and 
replace and experiment with than the Thin Gripsters:

http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/04/22/vp-vice-and-001-pedal-comparison/



On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:29:02 PM UTC-6, Ryan Ray wrote:
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> Hey there,
>
> I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes ruse 
> article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and the 
> longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put 
> clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001 
> and VP vice pedals and have for years.
> Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes. 
> Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew 
> blood trying to get her bike near mine.
>
> I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super sharp 
> headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else have any 
> other suggestions?
>
> - Ryan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ryan Ray]

This was from the VP Vice pedals which come with smoother pins and the 
super sharp pins too. Still need to file down those edges.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 1:29:11 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I removed the ultra sharp spikes (the same ones found all over the 
> thin-gripsters) and I noticed a huge improvement. I did notice less 
> retention but now they are similar to clipless pedals with a bunch of 
> float. My shoes never wanted to slip out but they were able to freely 
> change angles. Not quite as grippy but worth the less-beusaged shins.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ryan Ray]

I removed the ultra sharp spikes (the same ones found all over the 
thin-gripsters) and I noticed a huge improvement. I did notice less 
retention but now they are similar to clipless pedals with a bunch of 
float. My shoes never wanted to slip out but they were able to freely 
change angles. Not quite as grippy but worth the less-beusaged shins.

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[RBW] Replacing chainrings questions.

[Lungimsam]

1. I am thinking of getting the RBW Silver rings as they are designed to go 
right on the Sugino cranksets. So, for users, are they really a direct 
replacement and go on well with no trouble?

I like that I can get them one tooth less than what I have now for a little 
lighter gearing, without having to get a 32-36 cassette, as I don't like 
the aesthetic of large cassettes (looks like a discus from the ND side of 
the bike to me.).

3. Will the one tooth diff make me have to adjust the FD down on the ST?

4. How do you access the hidden bolt on the XD crankset?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Peter White]

Yup. 40 years ago, when I was racing, training in a group of 5 or 6
disciplined riders was a lot of fun, and it was important to do it
regularly, so that in a race the close quarters riding was comfortable. But
now, in my dotage, I like a lot more space between me and the next guy. And
besides, the good disciplined riders these days are 40 years younger, and
way too fast for me.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/24/2016 09:49 AM, Scott Henry wrote:
>
> "Plus, wouldnt you want to be able to say you did the ride under your own
> steam? Maybe thats not important to some. Maybe its not important."
>
> - Thats crazy, drafting is easier.   That's why people do it.   Bicycles,
> cars, runners.   Drafting works for a reason, you can ride easier, whether
> its for speed, for time or even to allow the tired out of shape rider to
> make it back home.
>
>
> Easier, and also very much harder mentally.  I find the mental stress
> exhausting.  At least the god-awful screaming and shouting in pace lines
> warning of cars and gravel popularized by the AIDS rides seems to have gone
> out of fashion again.
>
>
> As was stated though, don't look at the rear wheel, look at the hips.
> Once you are in the groove you can accelerate, slow, rest, turn, get led
> out, anything, all without looking.   Its trust and teamwork.
>
>
>
> Yes, and it can all go pear-shaped in the blink of an eye.  Somebody drops
> a water bottle -- that ended my penultimate ride in a pace line.  The way
> everybody scattered every which way - left shoulder, across the road, slam
> on the brakes - instant dissolve into chaos - was terrifying.  I pulled
> over and asked myself if the 5 minutes saved on the total ride time would
> be worth the six months (let's count the seconds, shall we? 26,000,000
> seconds!) recuperating from a major accident and decided the risk was
> vastly disproportionate to the reward.  Then a year or two later, a
> neighbor cajoled me into joining the pace line she was in at Bike Virginia,
> and the aforementioned screaming ("Gravel, for the love of Jesus!" in an
> area where every road was chipseal, and there was gravel on every shoulder
> and in every crossroads) did me in once for all.
>
> But I to agree, if you did it by sucking wheel the whole time, never took
> your turn pulling, you really can't say you did the ride "under your own
> steam."  That's a big issue on the extremely popular Seagull Century, a
> flat 100 on Maryland's Eastern Shore where many, many novices go to do
> their first century.  Pacelines there tend to be Hobbesian -- the war of
> each against all -- Pace Mobs and Pelotoons where you routinely see
> shockingly, even horrifyingly dangerous behavior and where there's a body
> count that makes me think of Bloody Lane and Devil's Den.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/24/2016 08:55 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
A peloton is the main group in a bicycle race. It would be a stretch 
to refer to a large haphazard group doing a century ride together as 
a  peloton. That may indeed be a pack of asshats.


Which is why I call them "Pace Mobs" and "Pelotoons".  They certainly 
are drafting, in Brownian Movement / Hobbesian War of Each Against All 
sort of way.


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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Brewster Fong]

Thanks. I learned about the fork mount cable stop after I picked up the 
mini-v brake. I think that would have made a difference. Unfortunately, I 
no longer have that bike, so I'll never know if it would have made a 
difference.

However, I am in the market for a cross bike, unless I break down and buy 
the latest Trek carbon with etapI've borrowed a friend's Black Mtn 
Cycles (BMC) cross bike and it is a very nice bike so far. It has Paul 
mini-vs and so far, very nice.  Not a big fan of tig-welded frames, so I 
may considering a Della Santa as he's builds a nice bike at a very 
reasonable price.

Good Luck! 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 11:24:04 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:

>
>  Definitely not the XC pro brakes Brewster.  I find them very easy to 
> setup and adjust, and the for the bikes I have owned or used the best 
> performing brake. As with everything bike, one person's bliss is another's 
> hell and no one can explain it so don't bother ;)  No biggie. I have found 
> some bikes just don't go well with certain brakes, and there is always 
> another brake to try. Glad you found something that worked for you !  And 
> this is the essence of this entire subject, there's many brakes(and 
> whatever) to choose from, none of them in themselves superior or inferior 
> to the other, just another kind of brake. 
>
>One thing that may have helped you Brewster is to use a fork crown 
> mounted Tektro cable stop, so your cable and housing go directly to it 
> instead of the one long from the headset. The cable drop then is very short 
> and I noticed a difference right away in using it. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:30:11 PM UTC-4, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree, on my bike I was using a Campy ergo lever with a crappy front 
>> suntour xc pro canti brake, and kool stop salmon pads, I would get it 
>> working nicely for a couple of rides, then it would revert back to 
>> the shuddering and chattering that I hated when braking! Then I put on a 
>> cheapie tektro 926al front mini-v  and lo and behold, no more 
>> chattering/shuddering/squealing!  It just worked!  I'll admit to being a 
>> crappy mechanic and believe that the suntour is either a terrible front 
>> brake or a very difficult one to adjust. Interestingly, I had the suntour 
>> on the rear and had zero problems with it. So, I left it on. But, mini-v 
>> brakes are my choice for a front brake. Of course, you excellent mechanics 
>> can make anything work, so YMMV!  Good Luck! 
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/24/2016 09:49 AM, Scott Henry wrote:
"Plus, wouldnt you want to be able to say you did the ride under your 
own steam? Maybe thats not important to some. Maybe its not important."


- Thats crazy, drafting is easier.   That's why people do it. 
Bicycles, cars, runners.   Drafting works for a reason, you can ride 
easier, whether its for speed, for time or even to allow the tired out 
of shape rider to make it back home.


Easier, and also very much harder mentally.  I find the mental stress 
exhausting.  At least the god-awful screaming and shouting in pace lines 
warning of cars and gravel popularized by the AIDS rides seems to have 
gone out of fashion again.



As was stated though, don't look at the rear wheel, look at the hips. 
  Once you are in the groove you can accelerate, slow, rest, turn, get 
led out, anything, all without looking.   Its trust and teamwork.





Yes, and it can all go pear-shaped in the blink of an eye.  Somebody 
drops a water bottle -- that ended my penultimate ride in a pace line.  
The way everybody scattered every which way - left shoulder, across the 
road, slam on the brakes - instant dissolve into chaos - was 
terrifying.  I pulled over and asked myself if the 5 minutes saved on 
the total ride time would be worth the six months (let's count the 
seconds, shall we? 26,000,000 seconds!) recuperating from a major 
accident and decided the risk was vastly disproportionate to the 
reward.  Then a year or two later, a neighbor cajoled me into joining 
the pace line she was in at Bike Virginia, and the aforementioned 
screaming ("Gravel, for the love of Jesus!" in an area where every road 
was chipseal, and there was gravel on every shoulder and in every 
crossroads) did me in once for all.


But I to agree, if you did it by sucking wheel the whole time, never 
took your turn pulling, you really can't say you did the ride "under 
your own steam."  That's a big issue on the extremely popular Seagull 
Century, a flat 100 on Maryland's Eastern Shore where many, many novices 
go to do their first century.  Pacelines there tend to be Hobbesian -- 
the war of each against all -- Pace Mobs and Pelotoons where you 
routinely see shockingly, even horrifyingly dangerous behavior and where 
there's a body count that makes me think of Bloody Lane and Devil's Den.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/24/2016 10:34 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I love that my VP Vice pins are razor edged. They make the grip feel 
as sure with shoes on as it is barefoot without pins. I realize that 
is not a measure most folks have as a baseline, but barefoot on an 
unpinned VP Vice is a stunningly secure connection (and provided 
instant feedback and zero "slop."


You mean, as those razor edged pins sink into the calluses on your feet, 
making a nice and secure albeit sometimes bloody connection? And how are 
your shins when you accidentally kick the pedal around to get it up to 
the starting position and it goes too far and whirls around, sinking 
those razor edged pins into your shin?


Scars and blood dripping down the front of your leg -- so yesterday.  
Been there, done that, and I'm done with it.


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[RBW] Re: Price drop on El Fito at Ibex

[Madam Xylene]

PS Wear 3/4 tights.

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[RBW] Re: Price drop on El Fito at Ibex

[Madam Xylene]

Just ordered two pairs, already have two pairs. Good for 9 mile commute as well 
as600k. Machine wash with wool soap, low water temp, air dry and no change in 
fit. Perfect for foggy  Bay Area weather!  I'm 5'8" weight 135 lbs female with 
longish legs slim hips, ladies medium works for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Garth]

 Definitely not the XC pro brakes Brewster.  I find them very easy to 
setup and adjust, and the for the bikes I have owned or used the best 
performing brake. As with everything bike, one person's bliss is another's 
hell and no one can explain it so don't bother ;)  No biggie. I have found 
some bikes just don't go well with certain brakes, and there is always 
another brake to try. Glad you found something that worked for you !  And 
this is the essence of this entire subject, there's many brakes(and 
whatever) to choose from, none of them in themselves superior or inferior 
to the other, just another kind of brake. 

   One thing that may have helped you Brewster is to use a fork crown 
mounted Tektro cable stop, so your cable and housing go directly to it 
instead of the one long from the headset. The cable drop then is very short 
and I noticed a difference right away in using it. 


On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 12:30:11 PM UTC-4, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> Agree, on my bike I was using a Campy ergo lever with a crappy front 
> suntour xc pro canti brake, and kool stop salmon pads, I would get it 
> working nicely for a couple of rides, then it would revert back to 
> the shuddering and chattering that I hated when braking! Then I put on a 
> cheapie tektro 926al front mini-v  and lo and behold, no more 
> chattering/shuddering/squealing!  It just worked!  I'll admit to being a 
> crappy mechanic and believe that the suntour is either a terrible front 
> brake or a very difficult one to adjust. Interestingly, I had the suntour 
> on the rear and had zero problems with it. So, I left it on. But, mini-v 
> brakes are my choice for a front brake. Of course, you excellent mechanics 
> can make anything work, so YMMV!  Good Luck! 
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[John Phillips]

I thought this was what was referred to as "beausage."  ;)

Looking at the Riv staff bikes, it looks like they are just as divided on 
this issue as the forum is.

Has anyone been happy with pedal straps like Hold Fast foot retention 
straps? I see they now come in Bacon. Seems appropriate. :) 

John

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 1:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Hey there,
>
> I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes ruse 
> article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and the 
> longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put 
> clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001 
> and VP vice pedals and have for years.
> Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes. 
> Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew 
> blood trying to get her bike near mine.
>
> I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super sharp 
> headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else have any 
> other suggestions?
>
> - Ryan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 3:53:00 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> From what I see on the forums, it's the cyclocross bikes that seem to 
> have the worst time with brake shudder.  The "impossible to adjust" is, 
> in my opinion, down to incompetent mechanics.  Hard, sure; impossible, 
> nonsense. 
>

Agree, on my bike I was using a Campy ergo lever with a crappy front 
suntour xc pro canti brake, and kool stop salmon pads, I would get it 
working nicely for a couple of rides, then it would revert back to 
the shuddering and chattering that I hated when braking! Then I put on a 
cheapie tektro 926al front mini-v  and lo and behold, no more 
chattering/shuddering/squealing!  It just worked!  I'll admit to being a 
crappy mechanic and believe that the suntour is either a terrible front 
brake or a very difficult one to adjust. Interestingly, I had the suntour 
on the rear and had zero problems with it. So, I left it on. But, mini-v 
brakes are my choice for a front brake. Of course, you excellent mechanics 
can make anything work, so YMMV!  Good Luck! 

>
> On 05/24/2016 05:03 AM, Matt B. wrote: 
> > For the life of me I can't understand the bad rap cantilever brakes 
> > get in these discussions.  I've had them on most of my bikes, from old 
> > mafac or dia compe style to newer shimano style, and have never had a 
> > difficult time adjusting them or maintaining them, or using them in 
> > the rain, or snowy weather (provided you know what to expect from 
> > them, you can account for it in your riding). I ride daily year round 
> > and am sticking with cantilevers, but have also used and would be fine 
> > with old weinmann centerpulls, sidepulls, or u-brakes. 
> > 
> > The horrible reputation cantilevers (and now all rim brakes in some 
> > cases) have, when these kinds of 'this or that' argument come up, 
> > tends to make me mistrust similar sentiments about other technology 
> > with which I don't have any experience. I get the feeling issues just 
> > get blown way the hell out of proportion. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Soma San Marcos (Amos) Build

[Justin Schoop]

Any comment on the tires so far?

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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[drew]

my shins and ankles are permanently scarred from the gripsters. it never 
happens when im riding, only when walking or getting off the bike. most of 
the time i dont even feel it and then see my sock blood stained hours 
later. 
that being said, i cant use any other pedals now. i tried lambda... too 
slippery. sneaker...way too slippery.  im trying the mks touring right now, 
and it's fine but i fear what happens when it gets wet. 
i put some cheapish wellgo magnesium pedals on my wife's clem. she loves 
them, and they seem less sharp.  i may try those soon. 

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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

And we're lighting up the no vacancy sign! Every bed is accounted for, 
which is pretty awesome! Working on menu items and Saturday route options.

Saturday is 114% an open ride, we hope many of the locals can come out and 
ride around Marin with us for the day. Most likely riding trails from WPI 
down to Fairfax, touring the MTB museum, then meandering back up the hill. 
A casual pace will be maintained!

Dinner is being cooked by Jacquie that evening, and everyone can join in on 
that, whether they are spending the night or not. It's encouraged and hoped 
for, actually!
More details to follow!

Thanks to all who jumped on-board for this, it's actually falling into 
place perfectly!!!




On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[BSWP]

I have Thin Gripsters on both Rivs, and supplement them with wide (& 
reflective!) velcro retention straps. The straps give me extra lateral 
support on long rides, I don't "pull up" on them at all. Sure, I have a few 
scrapes over the years, but I would not say the setup is prone to mangling 
my flesh... no more so that chains and sprockets are prone to shredding 
fingers. Maybe what helps them work for me are flat-soled shoes, no tread 
at all, just thin and flat.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Will Ashe]

+1 on the sneaker pedals. My Sam came with them, and they have much better grip 
than I expected. Also, they have built in reflectors. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Deacon Patrick]

I love that my VP Vice pins are razor edged. They make the grip feel as 
sure with shoes on as it is barefoot without pins. I realize that is not a 
measure most folks have as a baseline, but barefoot on an unpinned VP Vice 
is a stunningly secure connection (and provided instant feedback and zero 
"slop." If it wasn't for the whole rock and root to toe thing, I'd be 
barefoot all the time. As it is, I'm loving my new Xero Z-Trek sandals -- a 
bit like Tevas of old but even more 
minimal. http://xeroshoes.com/shop/feeltrue-products/ztrek-men/ Just enough 
toe lift to protect against rocks and roots, and as close to barefoot as 
I'll get without being barefoot.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:41:47 AM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>
> It seems like the big problem with the VP pedals is that they do nothing 
> to smooth out the corners in their CNC process. It's a very sharp, abrupt 
> change in surface.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Scott Henry]

"Plus, wouldnt you want to be able to say you did the ride under your own
steam? Maybe thats not important to some. Maybe its not important."

- Thats crazy, drafting is easier.   That's why people do it.   Bicycles,
cars, runners.   Drafting works for a reason, you can ride easier, whether
its for speed, for time or even to allow the tired out of shape rider to
make it back home.
As was stated though, don't look at the rear wheel, look at the hips.
Once you are in the groove you can accelerate, slow, rest, turn, get led
out, anything, all without looking.   Its trust and teamwork.


On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I know it must be fun to gain the speed of a paceline. But one cannot say
> they finished the ride under ones own steam.
>
> Racers understandably use plines. But I dont get randonneurs using
> pacelines though. Comeradery. But seems it flies in the face of the self
> sufficiency ethic.
>
> Ill admit that i am too chicken to pline and i think it is suicide to not
> look ahead while riding. Eyes locked onto the guys rear wheel? No human has
> reflexes enough to brake in time. Scary.
>
> Plus, wouldnt you want to be able to say you did the ride under your own
> steam? Maybe thats not important to some. Maybe its not important.
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[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Belopsky]

Lambda pedals are terrible when wet as well

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Scott Henry]

I'd go hands down every time for hydraulic discs over cable.   Not sure why
they get a bad rep, I find them so much easier to bleed and set up than the
cables.
I have been running hydraulics since my old Magura hydro rim brakes back in
the 1990's though.   BTW - they are still in use on my tandem.

Whatever you end up using, Disc/Canti/V or hydro/cable, learn how they work
and how to work on them...

Scott

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:04 AM, masmojo  wrote:

> If people aren't "handy", it really does not matter what type of brake it
> is! They all have their quirks. Caliper brakes used to drive me batty until
> I worked in a bike shop & learned some of the tricks for adjusting them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Justin August]

I will issue a "nay" vote for the RMX pedals. One bit if moisture and you have 
no grip at all. 

It seems like the big problem with the VP pedals is that they do nothing to 
smooth out the corners in their CNC process. It's a very sharp, abrupt change 
in surface. I don't know if you can change that on a CNC mill but I do know my 
Paul equipment isn't similarly jagged. 

As far as the spikes being too pointy maybe the model that uses standard bolts 
for pins would be less damaging?

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Jon Dukeman]

Must this thread continue?

"FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK "

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:00 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This idea of staring at the wheel in front of you is incorrect. I was
> taught to look past the hip of the rider in front. You certainly don't
> stare at the wheel you are following. After some time riding pacelines or
> in a peloton, you develop an awareness, a kind of sixth sense of where you
> need to be in relation to the rest of the group. Of course, like pileups on
> a freeway, stuff happens. It could be a moment of inattentiveness, or an
> unforeseen obstacle. In the pros, it can be jockeying for position. In
> amateurs, nervousness and inexperience.
>
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 1:02:19 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> ...i think it is suicide to not look ahead while riding. Eyes locked onto
>> the guys rear wheel? No human has reflexes enough to brake in time. Scary.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This idea of staring at the wheel in front of you is incorrect. I was 
taught to look past the hip of the rider in front. You certainly don't 
stare at the wheel you are following. After some time riding pacelines or 
in a peloton, you develop an awareness, a kind of sixth sense of where you 
need to be in relation to the rest of the group. Of course, like pileups on 
a freeway, stuff happens. It could be a moment of inattentiveness, or an 
unforeseen obstacle. In the pros, it can be jockeying for position. In 
amateurs, nervousness and inexperience.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 1:02:19 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> ...i think it is suicide to not look ahead while riding. Eyes locked onto 
> the guys rear wheel? No human has reflexes enough to brake in time. Scary.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A peloton is the main group in a bicycle race. It would be a stretch to 
refer to a large haphazard group doing a century ride together as a  
peloton. That may indeed be a pack of asshats. I don't do events.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 7:02:06 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> You have obviously never ridden the Seagull Century on Maryland's 
> Eastern Shore.  There are competent pelotons, and there are pelotoons 
> made up of crazed incompetent asshats. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Belopsky]

I wish Keen still made these - they have a commuter sandal now but it's 
more of a sneaker than sandal

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Maybe your problem is you need better shoes to use with your cleats.
>
>
>
> On 05/23/2016 05:21 PM, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Man, you describe me and my struggles to an absolute T:  Clipless are 
> still best for long rides; but I don't use a bike nearly as often if so 
> fitted; I enjoy platform pedals most of the time;  but am scarred, scabbed 
> and bloody all summer long.  I got all the way to shin bone last year.  I'm 
> actively looking for some platform pedals with a more friendly - yet - 
> still grippy spike.  Will let you know if I find something, but will be 
> watching this thread no matter what. 
>
> At this moment, I'm adding some screws to some Grip Kings, but planning to 
> set them very low and use loctite to hold them in place. 
>
> I'm also thinking about getting some shin guards for vigorous mountain 
> rides, but that sort of defeats the whole beauty of platform pedals and not 
> having to go through a pre-ride ritual.
>
> I got some 5-Tennies a couple of years ago, which help a little. Because 
> they stick better, my foot slides off less frequently, meaning less 
> in-motion knocks.  But once again, that means having to use a specific 
> piece of gear.
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:29:02 PM UTC-6, Ryan Ray wrote: 
>>
>> Hey there, 
>>
>> I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes ruse 
>> article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and the 
>> longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put 
>> clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use VP-001 
>> and VP vice pedals and have for years.
>> Unfortunately my shins are absolutely scarred by near constant scrapes. 
>> Walking my bike. Walking by my bike. Moving near my bike. My wife even drew 
>> blood trying to get her bike near mine.
>>
>> I've started by removing (attempting to, some were stuck) the super sharp 
>> headless threaded spikes from the Vice pedals but does anyone else have any 
>> other suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Ron Mc]

ok, but this is a spiked pedal thread 

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[masmojo]

If people aren't "handy", it really does not matter what type of brake it is! 
They all have their quirks. Caliper brakes used to drive me batty until I 
worked in a bike shop & learned some of the tricks for adjusting them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: hard cases for shipping

[Scott Henry]

Nope, I think ALL new bikes and frames come in cardboard boxes, the days of
wood crates are behind us.

You can always ask your local shop or even target/walmart, etc to let you
watch the unboxing process.A packed bike will look exactly the same,
brand doesn't matter.You would be amazed at how little packing material
there is.   But you will notice that its all one piece, lots of zip ties.
Most of your shipping damage will come from parts moving around and
scratching your frame, make it one big piece and things wont move.There
isn't much disassembly to do.   You only remove the front wheel (and
fender), pedals, seat and stem/bars.Front racks come off, rear racks
depends on size.   Get the box for free, wrap the frame tubes with pipe
wrap, secure wheels and bars into a one piece unit.Drop it in the box,
brace the sides with extra cardboard.   Its helpful to sometimes get 2 free
boxes.Put the saddle and pedals into a small box and pop it in the
corner on the bike box.

Something else to look into is the two small box approach of frame in one
box and wheels/fenders in box number 2.

The most important part, tape the box up tight and REMOVE all old shipping
labels.Seriously, you don't want you bike to end up back at the asian
factory or at the shop that gave you the free box.   This probably was more
important in the eyeball days, modern bar codes shouldn't let this happen,
but...

>From experience with part time college work back in the day, nothing says
"abuse me" more than a black plastic shipping case.   Contents don't
matter, it you bought he shipping container, it must be super durable.
Musical instruments get it much worse than bikes, bike cases are on the
edge of too big to throw.

Back to the OP, a 58cm isn't too big at all.   Ask the shop for a L or XL
mountainbike box and you can probably leave the rear rack and fender on.
Scott



On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:

> Thanks for the reply, Doug. (And that's also a good idea regarding the
> dimension stenciling.)
>
> Like Matt, I'm also a bit uneasy about putting my bike in a cardboard box.
> Maybe I'm just paranoid, as of course lots of brand new bikes are shipped
> that way (although they probably do a better job packing than me).
>
> I guess it's a toss-up between peace of mind vs. less disassembly.
>
> Bob E
> (who's still waiting on that Star Trek transporter to be developed.)
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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

one other place latex tubes will get you.  If you have a tire cut that goes 
through the casing, they will balloon out and pop.  For this reason, it's 
good to carry a butyl tube, which is not elastic enough to do this, and 
will get you home.  

ps - the weak beads is why I finally gave up on Strada Biancas. The beads 
will stretch out before the tread wears out.  I replaced them with Stampede 
Pass 32mm last weekend, latex tubes, and really enjoyed their maiden ride. 
 I tried one before and didn't like it in comparison to Strada Biancas, but 
I think it was using a butyl tube with it.  

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 5:19:12 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> nothing "really, now" about it.  Latex tubes were the first.  They go 
> hand-in-hand with supple tires - they already come in the best fine-casing 
> tubulars (sew-ups).  
>
>
> 
> they were also in every pneumatic tire made in the nineteen-naughties-40s, 
> and if you find one, it's very likely still usable today (the vulcanized 
> tire won't be).  
>
> 
>
> This is only now and really to you. Counting tubulars, I've been riding 
> latex tubes forever.  ok, it's really only about a dozen years they have 
> been offered as separate tubes from the high-grade supple tubulars they 
> always come in.  
> I tried butyl tubes, I can't do it.  My latex tubes are calling me.  
> Butyl tubes are a chemistry set invention trying to duplicate the 
> properties of natural latex.  
> Natural latex is better - it's Much more elastic and it lasts longer.  
> As Steve pointed out, sometimes this extra-high elasticity can work 
> against you.  If you have a tire with a weak bead, they can squeeze through 
> to blow out.  
> But it won't be the drama that Steve extapolated, It will be a pop, very 
> likely a small hole, and even casual deflation, and I've even patched and 
> re-used latex tubes after it's happened.  
> But most times, the extra elasticity is all in your favor.  
>
> You patch these with a piece of latex cut from an old tube and tubie 
> mastic, and the patch is permanent.  Unlike butyl patches, latex patches 
> stretch.  
>
> On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:52:49 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering:
>> 1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;)
>> 2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with 
>> flats resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex 
>> develop into a blowout tear faster than butyl?
>> 3. How do you patch a latex tube?
>> 4. Does the tire casing material "fight" with the latex and does one 
>> eventually degrade the other over time (like metals)?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

[Steve Palincsar]

That was meant to be a generic illustration.  There are several brands 
of SPD-capable sandals.


As for just "hopping on a bike" on the spur of the moment -- clearly 
some of you do that, but I certainly never do.


On 05/23/2016 11:20 PM, iamkeith wrote:
Funny - I wear keens almost exclusively, for 7 months a year.  I was 
SO excited when they came out with those bike sandals.  But they're 
about 1/2 the width of their regular sandals, and I literally cannot 
even get them on my feet.   My SPD bike "shoe" of choice is currently 
the Nashbar sandal, which is really wide,  but tough and inexpensive 
too!  But, like the OP, my SPD equipped bikes just don't get ridden as 
much as a bike that I can hop regardless of what I happen to be wearing.


On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Maybe your problem is you need better shoes to use with your cleats.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/23/2016 11:22 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
I concur. Furthermore, you have to understand that the riders behind 
you can't really see what's in front (the drain), until they passed 
you. By then, the line is established and following riders won't know 
this from that. By riding your own (safe) line, you would have assured 
that the peloton went around you to your left; by choosing a line to 
the drain, you unknowingly and unfortunately contributed to the 
situation. It's all about knowing the predictable behaviors of group 
riders and how to behave in that context. Don't worry about them 
crashing into you. No competent peloton does that.


You have obviously never ridden the Seagull Century on Maryland's 
Eastern Shore.  There are competent pelotons, and there are pelotoons 
made up of crazed incompetent asshats.





I further believe that the hostility shown here towards riders in a 
group to be undeserved. Sure, there are idiot riders (just as there 
are idiot drivers), but the peloton as described was merely doing its 
predictable thing.


You could say the same of rats and cockroaches.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/24/2016 01:02 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

Racers understandably use plines. But I dont get randonneurs using pacelines 
though. Comeradery. But seems it flies in the face of the self sufficiency 
ethic.


They are, of course, only allowed by the rules to draft off other 
randonneurs doing the event, otherwise it's forbidden "outside help," so 
it's a group-against-the-outside-world self sufficiency ethic.


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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Steve Palincsar]

From what I see on the forums, it's the cyclocross bikes that seem to 
have the worst time with brake shudder.  The "impossible to adjust" is, 
in my opinion, down to incompetent mechanics.  Hard, sure; impossible, 
nonsense.


On 05/24/2016 05:03 AM, Matt B. wrote:
For the life of me I can't understand the bad rap cantilever brakes 
get in these discussions.  I've had them on most of my bikes, from old 
mafac or dia compe style to newer shimano style, and have never had a 
difficult time adjusting them or maintaining them, or using them in 
the rain, or snowy weather (provided you know what to expect from 
them, you can account for it in your riding). I ride daily year round 
and am sticking with cantilevers, but have also used and would be fine 
with old weinmann centerpulls, sidepulls, or u-brakes.


The horrible reputation cantilevers (and now all rim brakes in some 
cases) have, when these kinds of 'this or that' argument come up, 
tends to make me mistrust similar sentiments about other technology 
with which I don't have any experience. I get the feeling issues just 
get blown way the hell out of proportion.


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Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

[Ron Mc]

nothing "really, now" about it.  Latex tubes were the first.  They go 
hand-in-hand with supple tires - they already come in the best fine-casing 
tubulars (sew-ups).  


they were also in every pneumatic tire made in the nineteen-naughties-40s, 
and if you find one, it's very likely still usable today (the vulcanized 
tire won't be).  



This is only now and really to you. Counting tubulars, I've been riding 
latex tubes forever.  ok, it's really only about a dozen years they have 
been offered as separate tubes from the high-grade supple tubulars they 
always come in.  
I tried butyl tubes, I can't do it.  My latex tubes are calling me.  
Butyl tubes are a chemistry set invention trying to duplicate the 
properties of natural latex.  
Natural latex is better - it's Much more elastic and it lasts longer.  
As Steve pointed out, sometimes this extra-high elasticity can work against 
you.  If you have a tire with a weak bead, they can squeeze through to blow 
out.  
But it won't be the drama that Steve extapolated, It will be a pop, very 
likely a small hole, and even casual deflation, and I've even patched and 
re-used latex tubes after it's happened.  
But most times, the extra elasticity is all in your favor.  

You patch these with a piece of latex cut from an old tube and tubie 
mastic, and the patch is permanent.  Unlike butyl patches, latex patches 
stretch.  

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:52:49 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering:
> 1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;)
> 2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with 
> flats resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex 
> develop into a blowout tear faster than butyl?
> 3. How do you patch a latex tube?
> 4. Does the tire casing material "fight" with the latex and does one 
> eventually degrade the other over time (like metals)?

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

[Matt B.]

For the life of me I can't understand the bad rap cantilever brakes get in 
these discussions.  I've had them on most of my bikes, from old mafac or 
dia compe style to newer shimano style, and have never had a difficult time 
adjusting them or maintaining them, or using them in the rain, or snowy 
weather (provided you know what to expect from them, you can account for it 
in your riding). I ride daily year round and am sticking with cantilevers, 
but have also used and would be fine with old weinmann centerpulls, 
sidepulls, or u-brakes.  

The horrible reputation cantilevers (and now all rim brakes in some cases) 
have, when these kinds of 'this or that' argument come up, tends to make me 
mistrust similar sentiments about other technology with which I don't have 
any experience. I get the feeling issues just get blown way the hell out of 
proportion.



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[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

['Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch]

These are public roads, aren't they? Anything that takes your concentration 
away from responsible cycling, driving, walking, etc is bad. No one (well, 
very few people...) goes out on the road wanting to cause a crash or 
intimidate fellow road users anyone but that can be the result if you act 
without due care and attention. I don't think there can be any exceptions 
to this, and we especially shouldn't be excusing people who want to play 
racers. What if it was a group of cars slipstreaming each other and barging 
others off the road - would that be excusable because "they were merely 
doing their thing" and we should have all predicted it?

Anything that makes a menace to others (drink driving, using a phone while 
driving, playing racers) on the road is surely something we should try to 
avoid.

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