[RBW] WTB Jitensha Ebisu All-Purpose

[Max S]

That's a fine example... I've a 58 cm version in brown, and it's an amazing 
bike to ride and to look at. Truthfully, the 60 cm with a 57.5 top tube would 
fit me a hair better, but... 

Anyhow, gotta get me some Compass tires soon! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[James Chang]

I was a cotton and shellac guy but have tried raw cotton this past year and
will probably never go back to shellac.  Raw cotton feels pretty good.

James Chang
Taipei, Taiwan

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I was joking about the antler handlebar clamp size. ;)
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Re: [RBW] Show Bill your British Racing Green Bike.

[James Chang]

I like green.  It's not a Rivendell but I like my green bike a lot.  Low
trial 650B IG kind of a bike...

https://www.flickr.com/gp/lohephoto/7N80B8

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:51 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> All in good fun, let's show Bill our BRG bikes!
> I'll start - BMC Monster Cross single speed 'road bike for dirt' -
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BGbx9nOMmeI/
> David
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

One other reason I seem to hazily remember was to do away with the his/hers 
model names and different paint schemes for the same bicycle with the 
mixtes (a marketing necessity perhaps, mainly so guys would still feel 
manlihoodness when buying/riding one)--Glorius/Wilbury, Foy/Gomez. The 
Cheviut/Cheviot (still technically two names!) is gender neutral. I think 
they realized they somehow went down the same road with Clem/Clementine, 
though (at least in my mind) that made some sense because, while 
technically not the case, you could argue Clementine was a feminine form of 
Clem. Which I guess also pissed people off.) Then you could argue that the 
Cheviot is essentially the mixte version of the Sam, so why not give the 
Clem Smith Jr. mixte version a different name. Answer: see previous 
sentence. Therefor, H or L.

With regard to the chainstay thing, if you do further digging, a more 
current posting on chainstay length, involving I believe metaphors with 
station wagons, and kayaks, or was it canoes, might somewhat contradict the 
earlier statement that you found, which was probably Grant not hyping the 
chainstay thing too much. But why would you add 10cm (that's cm, Leah--a 
bike with 45mm chainstays, even 55mm, would be uncomfortable) to a bicycle 
just because "it can't hurt." Having said that, don't sweat it, you won't 
notice because you will not be riding one then switching to the other for 
the ride back, which is about the only way you could notice. And you might 
like it less! After all that, if you still have your heart set on a bit of 
extra chainstay and a cooler name and headbadge, and you can afford it, and 
you decide to do it, you can always paint the hearts red yourself. Not that 
difficult! But no, get the tandem. *That* is cool. 

(For the record, the Cheviot has 45, 50, & 54cm chainstays, depending on 
bike size. I don't know what the exact lengths of the BF chainstays are, 
but I would guess plenty long enough to get the job done right.)

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:30:54 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Here, I went digging on the BLUG to see what I could find. Here's a quote 
> by Grant from Dec 29, 2013: 
>
> "At some point soon Dave will make up a plan to offer a kind of early 
> buyer discount, to help us pay for the order. It’s a beautiful bike. Same 
> as the  Betty, but longer chainstays. No noticeble difference in the ride, 
> but it can’t hurt." 
>
> So, Michael must be right - pretty much the same bike. Though I still like 
> the name and head badge of the Cheviot better. If they don't fill the heart 
> cut-outs in the lugs in red on the BF blue Chevs, I'll really be over my 
> covetousness. My heart skips a beat over those red hearts, and I'm not 
> joking. 
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: VP Pedals

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye. VP Vice. They're currently $45 on 
Amazon: 
https://www.amazon.com/VP-Components-Downhill-Freeride-16-Inch/dp/B006ZH1INA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1465785165=8-1=vp+vice

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 6:22:21 PM UTC-6, RDS wrote:
>
> VP pedals for sale.  In really good condition.  I am not sure which model 
> they are as I cannot seem to find any documentation where I purchased them. 
>  I would guess that I purchased them in early 2015.  All riding was done on 
> pavement.  I would say that they have less than 200 miles of riding on 
> them.  They are on the thinner side.  Is there anywhere on the pedal that 
> would tell the model?  Make offer.  Ship from Georgia using USPS unless 
> otherwise requested.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6aGxHTkc1VGkwV3M
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[RBW] Re: FS: random bike bits (thumb shifters, old nitto stem, spd pedals, cleats.)

[Belopsky]

update 

>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 10:03:26 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Parts I do not need and need cleared from the garage:
>>
>> -Shimano SPD Pedals - $15
>> - Nitto stem 26.0clamp (i think) - $10 or free with other stuff?
>> - 26.0 clamp Specialized stem i think 100mm - $10 
>> - Ergon grips $10
>> - New in box Wellgo SPD cleats (not pictured) - $10
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: random bike bits (thumb shifters, old nitto stem, spd pedals, cleats.)

[Belopsky]

update

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 10:03:26 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Parts I do not need and need cleared from the garage:
>
> -Shimano SPD Pedals - $15
> -XT direct mount front derailler - $15
> - Nitto stem 26.0clamp (i think) - $10 or free with other stuff?
> - Dia Compe 'moto style' levers - $15
> - 26.0 clamp Specialized stem i think 100mm - $10 
> - Ergon grips $10
> - New in box Wellgo SPD cleats (not pictured) - $10
>
> Take everything for a group price?
>
>
> 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: VP Pedals

[David Person]

They look to be VP Vice pedals.  I have them on 4 bike.  Great pedal. 
 Don't seem to suffer the same bearing issues that the VP-001 (aka Thin 
Gripster) pedal do, as the outboard bearing in further out on the spindle 
than the VP-001s.

David Person

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:22:21 PM UTC-7, RDS wrote:
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> VP pedals for sale.   Is there anywhere on the pedal that would tell the 
> model?
>
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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Lungimsam]

I was joking about the antler handlebar clamp size. ;)

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[RBW] FOR SALE: VP Pedals

[RDS]

VP pedals for sale.  In really good condition.  I am not sure which model 
they are as I cannot seem to find any documentation where I purchased them. 
 I would guess that I purchased them in early 2015.  All riding was done on 
pavement.  I would say that they have less than 200 miles of riding on 
them.  They are on the thinner side.  Is there anywhere on the pedal that 
would tell the model?  Make offer.  Ship from Georgia using USPS unless 
otherwise requested.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6aGxHTkc1VGkwV3M

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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm not sure the context or purpose of your question, but 26.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:03:50 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
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> 26.0 or 25.4 clamp diameter?

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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Lungimsam]

26.0 or 25.4 clamp diameter?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of Fenders

[Michael Hechmer]

My point was only that the Compass brakes are posted, and are now unique in 
set up..  You can't simply install them on any bike.  
Michael


On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 6:29:22 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 06/10/2016 05:59 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> This is true.  My wife, Pat, has a Betty Foy, and now my daughter, 
> Suzanne, has a Chevy-ut.  The fender width on these frames is limited by 
> the brake width.  P45's just fit, in fact with the QR open the fender is 
> forced down onto the front tire.  Pat got the demo Betty and it came 
> withP45s and the Fatty Bumpkin tires, which are 41 mm.  They just barely 
> fit and the slightest misalignment caused them to rub.  I ended up putting 
> the 41s on my Saluki, which has canti brakes &  big VO fenders.  I gave Pat 
> my 38mm Marathon Racers and they fit fine.   Tires bigger than than 38 
> pretty much need cantis or V brakes.  *Compass claims that their CP will 
> go wider but they require unique studs.*  I see that GP has designed the 
> Clem for bigger posted brakes, which make more sense.  I would rather spend 
> the extra setup time on good cantis than deal with a too tight 
> brake-fender-tire combo.
>
>
> That's not a "claim," it's fact.  
>
> The Compass centerpull can be thought of as a Mafac RAID version 1.1.  The 
> RAID was available in a bolt-on version, and I have that brake on my 
> Kogswell P/R.  With the straddle cable Q/R undone, it opens wide enough 
> that you never even notice the brake removing and replacing a 42mm Hetre.   
> The pivots are Mafac centerpull pivots, and if you have a pair of RAID 
> backing plates you could mount Compass brakes on any bike set up for 
> bolt-on centerpull brakes, so the studs aren't quite as "unique" as your 
> statement makes them sound.  Thanks to the availability of the Compass 
> centerpull, the price of Mafac RAIDs on ebay has stopped its meteoric rise; 
> I just checked, and there's one set available right now complete with 
> levers for $150 BIN, and another NOS for $299.  Compass makes the bushings, 
> etc. available, so if someone wanted to, they could buy a set of RAIDs on 
> ebay (all of which I've ever seen come with backing plates) and bring them 
> up to the level of the Compass brakes. 
>
> Bottom line: if you're looking for a brake for your Rivendell that can 
> easily fit a tire the width of a Hetre, Mafac RAID centerpulls are a viable 
> option.
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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Garth]

The 10,11,12 cm. etc. refer to the *length of the extension/reach*, the 
horizontal part so yes, the larger the number the longer the 
*extension/reach*.  This is not to be confused with the *length of the 
quill*,  which is the vertical part, usually from the min. insertion mark 
to the top of the stem. This number is often not listed by websites.  

  Both of these number work in unison to determine where the bars will 
actually be. 



On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:52:18 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> So the larger the number, the longer the quill? 
>
> This is super helpful, Garth. Thank you!
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:30:46 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> 
>> This is referring to the extension(reach) of the quill. Pictures help : 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:51:06 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with 
>>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
>>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
>>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
>>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>>>
>>> Thanks, folks.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[LeahFoy]

Here, I went digging on the BLUG to see what I could find. Here's a quote by 
Grant from Dec 29, 2013: 

"At some point soon Dave will make up a plan to offer a kind of early buyer 
discount, to help us pay for the order. It’s a beautiful bike. Same as the  
Betty, but longer chainstays. No noticeble difference in the ride, but it can’t 
hurt."

So, Michael must be right - pretty much the same bike. Though I still like the 
name and head badge of the Cheviot better. If they don't fill the heart 
cut-outs in the lugs in red on the BF blue Chevs, I'll really be over my 
covetousness. My heart skips a beat over those red hearts, and I'm not joking.

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT Odds and Ends

[Mark Reimer]

aw MAN! I was just looking for a used bullmoose, I always miss these deals 
by a few hours!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 10:44:01 AM UTC-5, Phillip Hathaway wrote:
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> Bullmoose bar and Sugino crankset are sold.
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Leah Peterson]

Yes! If you watch the Riv video under their "About Us" Grant says so.

Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Deacon Patrick]

Elk antlers. Renewable, as they shed annually. In an emergency, aspen bark 
can be used, as the inner bark is aspirin.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 1:49:11 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Don't Coloradans use tree bark skin for bartape?

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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Lungimsam]

Don't Coloradans use tree bark skin for bartape?

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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Lungimsam]

Is it true that it is Mieshas face on the head badge?

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Re: [RBW] Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[René Sterental]

No. The longer the horizontal extension, putting the handlebar further away
from you.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016, Cecily Walker  wrote:

> So the larger the number, the longer the quill?
>
> This is super helpful, Garth. Thank you!
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:30:46 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> 
>> This is referring to the extension(reach) of the quill. Pictures help :
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:51:06 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with
>>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious
>>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm
>>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm
>>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean?
>>>
>>> Thanks, folks.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Cecily Walker]

So the larger the number, the longer the quill? 

This is super helpful, Garth. Thank you!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:30:46 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> 
> This is referring to the extension(reach) of the quill. Pictures help : 
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:51:06 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with 
>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>>
>> Thanks, folks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Michael Hechmer]

No.  I set one up with a 46/26/24 & 8speed 13-28.  It worked fine with the 
chain that had been on a Specialized Sequoia.

If you can tell the frame difference between this 55cm Betty & 50 cm Chevy, 
you have a better eye than me.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B02Ju8EH6JsYKHF;2580C906-B6A6-4ADB-94F4-ABDFE54F90BA

Even the heart shaped cut outs are identical.  Only the paint job is 
different.

Michael









On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 12:06:42 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Does one have to use two chains on the Chevy? I know you have to on the 
> Clemasauruses.
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[René Sterental]

IIRC, Betty frames are made in Taiwan but use Toyo made forks.

René

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> Weren't Betty's made by toyo? If that's true, it's a cool feature.
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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Deacon Patrick]

"It would be fair to say that your testing would be generally in drier and 
cooler air that in north Texas, right?"

Yes, that is true, but I'm not sure what effect that would have or not 
have. I've found the raw tape reaches a point of grimy faster than 
shellacked cotton faster, but then doesn't really get any worse, whereas 
the shellacked cotton continues to get more grimy. For me, these fairly 
equal results make it so I don't want the expense/effort of shellack 
because the delta is minimal after x amount of time. I suspect that is true 
regardless of climate.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Patrick, my working theory is that (for me) raw cotton tape longevity is 
> limited by sweat. It would be fair to say that your testing would be 
> generally in drier and cooler air that in north Texas, right?  I think I've 
> decided that I prefer shellac for my use, but I'm still quite interested in 
> the results of your testing.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Pondero]

Patrick, my working theory is that (for me) raw cotton tape longevity is 
limited by sweat. It would be fair to say that your testing would be 
generally in drier and cooler air that in north Texas, right?  I think I've 
decided that I prefer shellac for my use, but I'm still quite interested in 
the results of your testing.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[drew]

Weren't Betty's made by toyo? If that's true, it's a cool feature.

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[RBW] FS Nitto Big Rear Rack and Sugino XD2 Crankset

[Bill Lindsay]

Bump with an update. I've eyeballed a small project that could put the stock 
chainrings to use, so now I will also consider selling this set of Sugino XD2 
170mm crank arms with no rings or bolts for $70 shipped. 

Bill

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[RBW] Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Deacon Patrick]

This morning I switched to a shorter stem on my QB, finally (I think, the proof 
is in a longer ride) getting it dialed in. Pro tip: remove gummy before sliding 
handlebars into stem or suffer mightily for your laziness!

In unwrapping my top layer of raw cotton tape, I discovered an experiment I’d 
forgotten about. The under layer of cotton tape was a two layer shellac I’d had 
on for three months before covering it with the raw. I’ve had my raw cotton top 
layer on for over a year now. They looked equally worn/weathered, and the raw 
cotton was slightly less grimy. Fascinating! Plus, cheep Scot that I am, I 
reused the top raw cotton tape, wrapping it as the now single layer. Now 
testing to see how long it lasts!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] CLEM pre-order

[Kainalu]

Yup. MUSTARD!!
A 65 for me.
Putting on the choco bullmooses for an Appaloosian look.
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: How do you glue wire (from a light) to a rack?

[René Sterental]

Thanks Bill.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Anton at VeloLumino is the best source of guidance and info.  The thing to
> do is glue short sections of aluminum tubing which comes in very accurate
> IDs so it can really fit perfectly.  The glue is silicone, like modest
> household Hogar. It's clear, waterproof yes easy to remove when you need to
> remove it. Anton has tons of photos. His Flickr handle is sommervilebikes
> or something like that.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Omar's 1993ish MB-1 @ Manifesto Bikes

[Kieran J]

Cool shop! Liz rented a bike from them when we were in the Bay Area a 
couple of years ago. Nice folks.

KJ


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:31:58 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Posting for good buddy Omar at Manifesto Bikes in Oakland.
>
> 1993ish Mb-1
>
> Goodish condition. 
>
> No dents or cracks. 
>
> Pictures Proved that things are for sale.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskC33Bcj
>
> Give manifesto a call, tell them their shop is cool, ask for Omar, tell 
> them Manny sent you.
>
> (510) 595-1155
>
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Lungimsam]

Does one have to use two chains on the Chevy? I know you have to on the 
Clemasauruses.

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[RBW] Re: FS - Tan Nigel Smith Loafers

[Carey Mercer]

Hi,  I'd like to buy the big one--PMed you, but I'm not sure if it worked, 
as this is my first post.

Thanks, 

Carey Mercer

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:00:53 PM UTC-7, Glen wrote:
>
> I prefer to sell them as a set but if they don't move by Sunday I'll be 
> glad to sell just the small.
>
> An offer for the large and there will be three happy people.
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-6, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I interested in just the small.  I was actually getting ready to post a 
>> WTB.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT Odds and Ends

[Phillip Hathaway]

Bullmoose bar and Sugino crankset are sold.



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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[LeahFoy]

I came across the measurement somewhere. It said the BF has 45 mm chain stays 
and the Chev 55 mm. That means nothing to me, but maybe it will to some of the 
more techy folks here. Anyone care to interpret for Cecily and me?

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[RBW] FS: random bike bits (thumb shifters, old nitto stem, spd pedals, cleats.)

[Belopsky]

Parts I do not need and need cleared from the garage:

-Shimano SPD Pedals - $15
-Shimano thumb shifters oldies but goodies - $15
-XT direct mount front derailler - $15
- Nitto stem 26.0clamp (i think) - $10 or free with other stuff?
- Dia Compe 'moto style' levers - $15
- 26.0 clamp Specialized stem i think 100mm - $10 
- Ergon grips $10
- New in box Wellgo SPD cleats (not pictured) - $10

Take everything for a group price?





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[RBW] FS: Omar's 1993ish MB-1 @ Manifesto Bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

It's most likely a 1991. AASHTA. Super photos. 

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[RBW] Re: How do you glue wire (from a light) to a rack?

[Bill Lindsay]

Anton at VeloLumino is the best source of guidance and info.  The thing to do 
is glue short sections of aluminum tubing which comes in very accurate IDs so 
it can really fit perfectly.  The glue is silicone, like modest household 
Hogar. It's clear, waterproof yes easy to remove when you need to remove it. 
Anton has tons of photos. His Flickr handle is sommervilebikes or something 
like that. 

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[RBW] Re: CLEM pre-order

[LLM]

Congratulations!  I also pre-ordered a 52 mustard Clem.  I'm looking 
forward to seeing it in person and getting my feet on the pedals.

Linda M
Albany, NY

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:19:00 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I was gonna do it, then I wasn't gonna do it, then I did it! I'm adding a 
> 52 mustard CLEM to the electrified 45 BRG in the stable. I'm at the tall 
> end of the 45 fitting me with Choco-Moose bars, so the more stretched out 
> 52 should be great with the stock Boscos. Only pedal power for this one ;)
>
> If you're thinking about a CLEM, the $1300 buy-in should be ending pretty 
> soon. About a month ago Dave said he expected them in July, so now's the 
> time. Mustard!
>
> Joe "Which color would you like? Both!" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Garth]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/quickbeam_geometry.pdf



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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Matt B.]

I'd go with a 62 minimum.  I'm 6'0 with a 90cm pbh and ride a 64cm 
quickbeam, it's the one (most fun) bike I use for riding singletrack. I'm 
sure I could ride a 66 like Patrick.   

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:01:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm on the lookout for a used Quickbeam or SimpleOne to replace my old 
> Trek as a city commuter. But I have a question about sizing. My Roadeo has 
> a pretty similar bottom bracket height and the 61cm frame fits my 90pbh 
> really well. So the question is, do I go with a 60 or 62 'SimpleBeam?' 
>
> Any thoughts? What are current owners' experiences? Thanks!
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Garth]

This is referring to the extension(reach) of the quill. Pictures help : 


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:51:06 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with a 
> Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>
> Thanks, folks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Cecily Walker]

How much of a difference do longer chain stays have on ride quality? I'm 
like Leah: when the Betty Foy was discontinued in favour of the Cheviot, I 
became a little covetous myself. 



On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> I seem to recall that the chain stays are a bit longer on the Cheviot. But 
> not much. 
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Michael Hechmer  > wrote:
>
>> Since we have both frames (see post chevy-ut meets Betty, falls in love) 
>>  I can state that the only difference is the paint job.
>> Michael
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 12:44:40 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have a good reason for asking the question, save only a nagging 
>>> curiosity. How much of an improvement to the ride did Grant make when he 
>>> changed up Rivendell's mixte? I admit I do like the name of the Cheviot and 
>>> the head badge and the story of the sheep over the Foy's. And does it ride 
>>> better, too???  Now that the Chev is arriving in Betty Foy blue (which I 
>>> think is the loveliest color combo in Riv history) I may be just a tad 
>>> envious. 
>>>
>>> *I will take a moment here to give myself a spanking for feeling 
>>> covetous towards another bike almost exactly like mine, when I have said my 
>>> current bike is perfect and feels like it was made for ME.*
>>>
>>> Does anyone have knowledge of how these two bikes stack up against one 
>>> another? I know "longer chain stays" but what does that really mean?
>>>
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[RBW] Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Cecily Walker]

I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with a 
Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 

Thanks, folks.

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

You're Welcome.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:53 PM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> Well, I'm certainly not Jan in terms of skills and abilities. I just
> checked the map and decided to reserve the choice to do the shorter
> version, especially if the PM loop isn't really suitable for the smooth
> tires with fenders.
>
> Thanks for providing the route and maps. That's very helpful.
>
> René
>
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
>> Rene,
>>
>> Yes the Atlantis would be my choice, though sans fenders and obviously
>> lowish tire pressure. If you can I'd mount knobby tires, my recollection of
>> the PM loop is rutty with baby heads but Jan always proves that a supple
>> tire can do amazing things, so I'm not gonna say it can't be done. I've
>> been rolling the TB's Tubeless and where a supple tire would eventually
>> flat I haven't had any problems for months.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:06 PM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ha ha ha ha!!! Good to know!
>>>
>>> Both of them run smooth Compass tires with metal fenders; 35mm on the
>>> Homer and 38mm on the Atlantis. Based on what you're saying, I think the
>>> Atlantis would be better, would you agree?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>>
 Depends on the setup of each of your rigs. If the atlantis has chubby/
 knobby tires and you're going to do the PM loop that's what I'd bring. I'm
 planning on riding my 1995 Salsa Ala Carte with Schwalbe 2.1 Thunder Burts/
 tubeless.

 Didn't you just do the Tahoe loop? Ah 72 miles and 3800' I think you'll
 be fine on this ride. No one's going to try and break any land speed
 records. No rider left behind spirit. Lots of photo op's, read that as rest
 breaks, regroups and scenic viewpoints.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, René Sterental 
 wrote:

> Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the
> Atlantis?Assumingn can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined
> previously. Might be too much climbing for moi.
>
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I will.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but
>>> it fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be 
>>> a
>>> problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll,
>>> it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.
>>>
>>> Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
>>> This is what it looks like for most of the way:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental >> > wrote:
>>>
 Marked the location. Is there parking there?


 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental 
 wrote:

> No. From Palo Alto.
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Rene,
>>
>> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>>
>> Here's the route
>> 
>> to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
>> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental <
>> orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
>>> location to know where to park? I don't know the area.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)

 On Jun 11, 2016, at 

[RBW] Re: How do you glue wire (from a light) to a rack?

[René Sterental]

Cool ideas!

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> I'm not sure if this would work, but I came up with a couple of ideas.
> The first was to glue a plastic straw to the rack and run the wire through
> it.  They come in various sizes even down to the small coffee stirrer
> size.  Another possibility would be to glue some shrink wrap to the rack.
> After feeding the wire through, apply heat to reduce the size.  Since I
> haven't tried it, I wonder if the shrinking of the wrap would detach it
> from the glue.  Not too hard to test, though.  Both of these should be
> reversible without affecting the wire itself.
>
> Tim
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:16 PM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> Saw this on the zippy zappy thread, and it just so happened I was
>> thinking if I should go that route for the cable of my Edelux II on my
>> Atlantis. I'm about to do the setup and was going to route the cable across
>> the rack, but don't really like how it looks.
>>
>> Then I though about zip-tying it to the edge of the rack, where the front
>> Rando bag would hide it and that led to the thought that perhaps it could
>> be glued to minimize the use of zip ties.
>>
>> Who would have thought that the subject of gluing would come up and I
>> would just see it tonight?
>>
>> Please send instructions or links to instructions regarding how to glue
>> the cable to the rack... :-)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> René
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[René Sterental]

Well, I'm certainly not Jan in terms of skills and abilities. I just
checked the map and decided to reserve the choice to do the shorter
version, especially if the PM loop isn't really suitable for the smooth
tires with fenders.

Thanks for providing the route and maps. That's very helpful.

René

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Rene,
>
> Yes the Atlantis would be my choice, though sans fenders and obviously
> lowish tire pressure. If you can I'd mount knobby tires, my recollection of
> the PM loop is rutty with baby heads but Jan always proves that a supple
> tire can do amazing things, so I'm not gonna say it can't be done. I've
> been rolling the TB's Tubeless and where a supple tire would eventually
> flat I haven't had any problems for months.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:06 PM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> Ha ha ha ha!!! Good to know!
>>
>> Both of them run smooth Compass tires with metal fenders; 35mm on the
>> Homer and 38mm on the Atlantis. Based on what you're saying, I think the
>> Atlantis would be better, would you agree?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on the setup of each of your rigs. If the atlantis has chubby/
>>> knobby tires and you're going to do the PM loop that's what I'd bring. I'm
>>> planning on riding my 1995 Salsa Ala Carte with Schwalbe 2.1 Thunder Burts/
>>> tubeless.
>>>
>>> Didn't you just do the Tahoe loop? Ah 72 miles and 3800' I think you'll
>>> be fine on this ride. No one's going to try and break any land speed
>>> records. No rider left behind spirit. Lots of photo op's, read that as rest
>>> breaks, regroups and scenic viewpoints.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, René Sterental 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the
 Atlantis?Assumingn can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined
 previously. Might be too much climbing for moi.


 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:

> Thanks! I will.
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it
>> fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a
>> problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll,
>> it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.
>>
>> Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
>> This is what it looks like for most of the way:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marked the location. Is there parking there?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No. From Palo Alto.

 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
 wrote:

> Rene,
>
> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>
> Here's the route
> 
> to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental <
> orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
>> location to know where to park? I don't know the area.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> You mean to say you're coming up Saturday. Look forward to
>>> seeing for dinner.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life 

[RBW] FS: Omar's 1993ish MB-1 @ Manifesto Bikes

[Manuel Acosta]

Posting for good buddy Omar at Manifesto Bikes in Oakland.

1993ish Mb-1

Goodish condition. 

No dents or cracks. 

Pictures Proved that things are for sale.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskC33Bcj

Give manifesto a call, tell them their shop is cool, ask for Omar, tell 
them Manny sent you.

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Re: [RBW] How do you glue wire (from a light) to a rack?

[Tim Butterfield]

I'm not sure if this would work, but I came up with a couple of ideas.  The
first was to glue a plastic straw to the rack and run the wire through it.
They come in various sizes even down to the small coffee stirrer size.
Another possibility would be to glue some shrink wrap to the rack.  After
feeding the wire through, apply heat to reduce the size.  Since I haven't
tried it, I wonder if the shrinking of the wrap would detach it from the
glue.  Not too hard to test, though.  Both of these should be reversible
without affecting the wire itself.

Tim

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:16 PM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> Saw this on the zippy zappy thread, and it just so happened I was thinking
> if I should go that route for the cable of my Edelux II on my Atlantis. I'm
> about to do the setup and was going to route the cable across the rack, but
> don't really like how it looks.
>
> Then I though about zip-tying it to the edge of the rack, where the front
> Rando bag would hide it and that led to the thought that perhaps it could
> be glued to minimize the use of zip ties.
>
> Who would have thought that the subject of gluing would come up and I
> would just see it tonight?
>
> Please send instructions or links to instructions regarding how to glue
> the cable to the rack... :-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> René
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[cyclotourist]

Only if you live in DC:  local pickup only (no shipping)

Eric, I have an 89PBH, and own both a 60 and 62 'Beam. My 62 is a touch too
big for dirt riding, so it's set up as my townie bike. The 60 is my trail
bike and is great for situations where I need to put my foot down fast.

My $.02: I think you can ride either happily, but for a city commuter, the
62 would be a touch better.



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)
 wrote:

> This is a killer deal. Great bike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> >
> > Here's a 60 SimpleOne. They don't come up often - I don't think many of
> *any* size were made - so you might want to hop on it. Pick up only in
> Washington, but maybe someone can facilitate buying and shipping.
> >
> > Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/112011978713
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[RBW] CLEM pre-order

[Joe Bernard]

I was gonna do it, then I wasn't gonna do it, then I did it! I'm adding a 52 
mustard CLEM to the electrified 45 BRG in the stable. I'm at the tall end of 
the 45 fitting me with Choco-Moose bars, so the more stretched out 52 should be 
great with the stock Boscos. Only pedal power for this one ;)

If you're thinking about a CLEM, the $1300 buy-in should be ending pretty soon. 
About a month ago Dave said he expected them in July, so now's the time. 
Mustard!

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

Rene,

Yes the Atlantis would be my choice, though sans fenders and obviously
lowish tire pressure. If you can I'd mount knobby tires, my recollection of
the PM loop is rutty with baby heads but Jan always proves that a supple
tire can do amazing things, so I'm not gonna say it can't be done. I've
been rolling the TB's Tubeless and where a supple tire would eventually
flat I haven't had any problems for months.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:06 PM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> Ha ha ha ha!!! Good to know!
>
> Both of them run smooth Compass tires with metal fenders; 35mm on the
> Homer and 38mm on the Atlantis. Based on what you're saying, I think the
> Atlantis would be better, would you agree?
>
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>
>> Depends on the setup of each of your rigs. If the atlantis has chubby/
>> knobby tires and you're going to do the PM loop that's what I'd bring. I'm
>> planning on riding my 1995 Salsa Ala Carte with Schwalbe 2.1 Thunder Burts/
>> tubeless.
>>
>> Didn't you just do the Tahoe loop? Ah 72 miles and 3800' I think you'll
>> be fine on this ride. No one's going to try and break any land speed
>> records. No rider left behind spirit. Lots of photo op's, read that as rest
>> breaks, regroups and scenic viewpoints.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the Atlantis?Assumingn
>>> can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined previously. Might be too
>>> much climbing for moi.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks! I will.

 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist 
 wrote:

> René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it
> fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a
> problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll,
> it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.
>
> Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
> This is what it looks like for most of the way:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> Marked the location. Is there parking there?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No. From Palo Alto.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rene,

 Are you coming from Sacramento?

 Here's the route
 
 to Pantoll Ranger Station.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental <
 orthie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
> location to know where to park? I don't know the area.
>
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> You mean to say you're coming up Saturday. Look forward to seeing
>> for dinner.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
>> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM, David Stein <
>> davecst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks awesome but I won't be staying Friday and plan on coming
>>> up Sunday. I may try and meet you at the musuem and ride bike if 
>>> you have a
>>> loose time frame of when you'll be there, but more than likely I'll 
>>> just
>>> head up old railroad grade mid to late 

[RBW] How do you glue wire (from a light) to a rack?

[René Sterental]

Saw this on the zippy zappy thread, and it just so happened I was thinking
if I should go that route for the cable of my Edelux II on my Atlantis. I'm
about to do the setup and was going to route the cable across the rack, but
don't really like how it looks.

Then I though about zip-tying it to the edge of the rack, where the front
Rando bag would hide it and that led to the thought that perhaps it could
be glued to minimize the use of zip ties.

Who would have thought that the subject of gluing would come up and I would
just see it tonight?

Please send instructions or links to instructions regarding how to glue the
cable to the rack... :-)

Thanks!

René

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

This is a killer deal. Great bike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Here's a 60 SimpleOne. They don't come up often - I don't think many of *any* 
> size were made - so you might want to hop on it. Pick up only in Washington, 
> but maybe someone can facilitate buying and shipping.
>
> Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/112011978713
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[RBW] Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Joe Bernard]

Here's a 60 SimpleOne. They don't come up often - I don't think many of *any* 
size were made - so you might want to hop on it. Pick up only in Washington, 
but maybe someone can facilitate buying and shipping.

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/112011978713

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[René Sterental]

Ha ha ha ha!!! Good to know!

Both of them run smooth Compass tires with metal fenders; 35mm on the Homer
and 38mm on the Atlantis. Based on what you're saying, I think the Atlantis
would be better, would you agree?

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Depends on the setup of each of your rigs. If the atlantis has chubby/
> knobby tires and you're going to do the PM loop that's what I'd bring. I'm
> planning on riding my 1995 Salsa Ala Carte with Schwalbe 2.1 Thunder Burts/
> tubeless.
>
> Didn't you just do the Tahoe loop? Ah 72 miles and 3800' I think you'll be
> fine on this ride. No one's going to try and break any land speed records.
> No rider left behind spirit. Lots of photo op's, read that as rest breaks,
> regroups and scenic viewpoints.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the Atlantis?Assumingn
>> can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined previously. Might be too
>> much climbing for moi.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental > > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! I will.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>>
 René, glad you can make it There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it
 fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a
 problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll,
 it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that.

 Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex
 This is what it looks like for most of the way:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/


 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:13 PM, René Sterental 
 wrote:

> Marked the location. Is there parking there?
>
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> No. From Palo Alto.
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rene,
>>>
>>> Are you coming from Sacramento?
>>>
>>> Here's the route
>>> 
>>> to Pantoll Ranger Station.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 4:32 PM, René Sterental >> > wrote:
>>>
 If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map
 location to know where to park? I don't know the area.


 On Saturday, June 11, 2016, David Stein 
 wrote:

> Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)
>
> On Jun 11, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> You mean to say you're coming up Saturday. Look forward to seeing
> for dinner.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM, David Stein  > wrote:
>
>> Looks awesome but I won't be staying Friday and plan on coming up
>> Sunday. I may try and meet you at the musuem and ride bike if you 
>> have a
>> loose time frame of when you'll be there, but more than likely I'll 
>> just
>> head up old railroad grade mid to late afternoon to make it for 
>> dinner if
>> anyone wants to join me for that (will either drive and leave from 
>> mill
>> valley, or ferry over to sausalito and ride up from there).
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Curtis McKenzie <
>> cmcy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hugh,
>>>
>>> Sign me up for this one. Thank you for planning this.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Sean,

 Sorry for the delay