Re: [RBW] Re: Fender suggestions for a 26" wheeled Atlantis

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Richard!.  The 650b VO Zeppelins do require a bit of work to get 
the fender line good - definitely not a great fender line right out of the 
box.  I almost went with SKS or Planet Bike fenders for the easier install, 
but I have messed with metal fenders before, and have found it worth the 
effort once you get it right.  I wish the Zeppelins had clearance for the 
Compass Rat Trap Pass, but think they just aren't wide enough (even after 
spreading them).  They are perfect for the 1.75 Paselas (and I assume the 
Compass Slumgullion Pass tires that use the same mold).

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>
> Eamon, nicely done. My compliments!
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How was your (Bike) Labor Day?

[RoadieRyan]

Nice easy 15 miler along Alki beach in West Seattle

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:26:47 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Anyone accomplish some projects or get a good ride in?
>
> I knocked out a couple satisfying but relatively minor projects on Sunday 
> and got a nice ride in this morning.  The XO-3 got a long-needed headset 
> replacement - the original cup and ball bearing unit was pitted and loose, 
> though after removal I'm pretty sure you could clean it up, replace the 
> bearings, slather with grease and be good for another 10 years.  But I had 
> a perfectly good VO sealed bearing unit that needed a home and my fork is 
> now secured and buttery smooth turning.  Then I continued the drivetrain 
> redux of the Bombadil with 3 new chainrings courtesy of David's Willow 
> chainring stash, based on his stock availability I settled on a 49-37-25 
> for an odd but evenly spaced triple... unfortunately the 25 proved to be a 
> hair to large for the inner postion on my chainstays w/ a 110mm BB spindle 
> so my old Sugino 24 got pressed back into duty.  After my ride this morning 
> I realize I need to re-visit my FD setup as I dumped the chain past my 
> large ring and couldn't get to the small ring but it does look nice and 
> after comparing the old vs new side by side I'm satisfied I got the full 
> lifetime out of the original rings.  Finally I kept fiddling with the 
> Saluki cockpit, going from a ~10cm to 6 or 7cm Nitto stem and continuing to 
> mess with the brake setup.  I may spend a bit more time with that tonight.
>
> Today's ride was a nice loop through Old Town Alexandria including Jones 
> Point and a back and forth accross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, it was a 
> gorgeous morning in the upper 60's and I really enjoyed it.  The Bombadil 
> with it's tubless SBH's pumped up around 40psi feels alot like my much 
> svelt'er Bob Jackson frame. Between the tires and the fresh drivetrain the 
> thing glides along like a freshly greased bearing... I'm still not setting 
> (or seeking) any land speed records but it's pretty neat that my roughest 
> and tumbler-est bike which I ride singletrack on can also double as a 
> quickie/sportif bike with extremely little modification.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] How was your (Bike) Labor Day?

[Philip Kim]

At corolla,nc got a nice ride to the wildlife refuge and back on the Hunq. 
Paved to get there, then all wet sand. It was nice ride, though headwinds the 
entire time.

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[RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad]

I am seeing about 7-8 mm between the top of tire and bottom of brake arch in 
front.  Maybe a little more in rear.  This is with Jack Brown Green tires.  
They are about 33.5 mm wide measured on Velocity Aerohead rims.

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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Thumbs up, Rene!

Cheers
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I 
> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on 
> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that 
> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the 
> kickstand.
>
> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes, I 
> had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his 
> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get 
> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches, 
> both functional and aesthetic.
>
> I had gotten all the parts after careful consideration, as well as decided 
> to try a B17 Select again based on the reviews from members of this group 
> that stated it was quite superior to the regular ones due to its special 
> leather.
>
> I had even decided to try to go with traditional non-aero brake levers for 
> the personality and looks, and got some original NOS Dia-Compe brakes to 
> try. If I didn't like them, I'd go back to the aero levers but this was my 
> chance to try them. Even got the Dia-Compe cages from RBW that I thought 
> were more elegant than the King cages I have on the other bikes.
>
> I'm sure you want to see photos first, so here is the link to the first 
> photo: https://flic.kr/p/LFW4RL - scroll to the right for more.
>
> The quality of the ride was fantastic. I believe I ended up in a slightly 
> more aggressive position, but even more comfortable than on the Atlantis. I 
> love the brake levers and their braking with the Compass Centerpull brakes. 
> Even though I can tell they are less powerful from the hoods than the aero 
> levers, the braking feel is totally fine and I like the power and 
> modulation of those brakes.
>
> I got the special washers that Jan just released to give the brake pads 
> automatic permanent toe-in, but even so, with new brake pads and new 
> polished rims, the brakes squealed quite a bit at first. While I didn't 
> expect the intensity of the sound, what was even more astounding was the 
> quality of the sound. They sounded like the fog horn on a ship, not at all 
> the high pitch squeal I've gotten from other brakes in the past. The sound 
> progressively diminished during the ride, and towards the end I remembered 
> to throw some water on the pads which everyone says quiets them and that 
> worked. The sound is not completely gone yet, but almost. I'm going on 30 
> mile ride tomorrow in the Coyote Creek Trail and I'm sure that with a few 
> more water splashes they'll be totally quiet and I'll miss sounding like a 
> ship through the fog.
>
> I went with the 40mm wide Compass Rando bars which combined with the 35mm 
> trail was perfect. I have the 42mm wide on the Atlantis (40mm trail) but I 
> think I'll try the 40mm bars on it as well. My hands were much more 
> comfortable, and I don't know yet what the exact difference is, but I'll 
> try to assess it.
>
> I was planning on going with the brown tall Acorn Rando bag, and had 
> gotten the matching Rando and medium saddle bag, but last week I "felt" I 
> had to consider the Berthoud Rando bag as well, as it seemed it would match 
> the bike much better. Theo at Compass has always been so nice to me, that I 
> ordered the bag from them (Jan has also customized them) and it was love at 
> fit sight! (Pun intended). I was really impressed by the Berthoud bag, and 
> needless to say, it seems it was meant for my custom. So I had to decide 
> what to do with the Acorn bags and after a family demo and show, the 
> overall consensus was that I needed to put the brown one on the Atlantis as 
> it was better than the green one. My son and I had a harder time deciding, 
> but for my wife it was a no-brainier and anything that gets her "involved" 
> in my bikes is good!
>
> I've offered the bags to a friend who just got a Soma Randonneur, but if 
> he doesn't want them, I'll post them from sale here. Needless to say, they 
> in like-new condition with imperceptible wear. I've had them for a while, 
> but just put them on the Atlantis a couple of months ago.
>
> So needless to say, I'm incredibly excited and satisfied with the outcome. 
> As I ride it more and continue to lose weight and get fitter, I'm sure 
> there will be minor tweaks here and there, but for the first time, I truly 
> have everything I've wanted in a single bike. What will that mean moving 
> forward for the rest of my stable? We'll see... No matter what, I'm sure 
> I'll always have at least one Rivendell bike next to it. 
>
> René 
>

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Re: [RBW] Best way to remove lawyer lips

[Lungimsam]

Less heat with hand filing?

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[RBW] Re: How was your (Bike) Labor Day?

[ascpgh]

Three trips to work and back. Better luck next year, whatever the weather.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:26:47 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Anyone accomplish some projects or get a good ride in?
>
> I knocked out a couple satisfying but relatively minor projects on Sunday 
> and got a nice ride in this morning.  The XO-3 got a long-needed headset 
> replacement - the original cup and ball bearing unit was pitted and loose, 
> though after removal I'm pretty sure you could clean it up, replace the 
> bearings, slather with grease and be good for another 10 years.  But I had 
> a perfectly good VO sealed bearing unit that needed a home and my fork is 
> now secured and buttery smooth turning.  Then I continued the drivetrain 
> redux of the Bombadil with 3 new chainrings courtesy of David's Willow 
> chainring stash, based on his stock availability I settled on a 49-37-25 
> for an odd but evenly spaced triple... unfortunately the 25 proved to be a 
> hair to large for the inner postion on my chainstays w/ a 110mm BB spindle 
> so my old Sugino 24 got pressed back into duty.  After my ride this morning 
> I realize I need to re-visit my FD setup as I dumped the chain past my 
> large ring and couldn't get to the small ring but it does look nice and 
> after comparing the old vs new side by side I'm satisfied I got the full 
> lifetime out of the original rings.  Finally I kept fiddling with the 
> Saluki cockpit, going from a ~10cm to 6 or 7cm Nitto stem and continuing to 
> mess with the brake setup.  I may spend a bit more time with that tonight.
>
> Today's ride was a nice loop through Old Town Alexandria including Jones 
> Point and a back and forth accross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, it was a 
> gorgeous morning in the upper 60's and I really enjoyed it.  The Bombadil 
> with it's tubless SBH's pumped up around 40psi feels alot like my much 
> svelt'er Bob Jackson frame. Between the tires and the fresh drivetrain the 
> thing glides along like a freshly greased bearing... I'm still not setting 
> (or seeking) any land speed records but it's pretty neat that my roughest 
> and tumbler-est bike which I ride singletrack on can also double as a 
> quickie/sportif bike with extremely little modification.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] 650b tires with a generator strip

[Call Me Jay]

Any recommendations? 

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Re: [RBW] How was your (Bike) Labor Day?

[René Sterental]

Wow!

On Monday, September 5, 2016, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> I rode the Indian Head 100.  Saw Lungimsam at the last two rest stops.
> What a great day to ride a 100 mile ride!
>
> On 09/05/2016 04:26 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Anyone accomplish some projects or get a good ride in?
>
> I knocked out a couple satisfying but relatively minor projects on Sunday
> and got a nice ride in this morning.  The XO-3 got a long-needed headset
> replacement - the original cup and ball bearing unit was pitted and loose,
> though after removal I'm pretty sure you could clean it up, replace the
> bearings, slather with grease and be good for another 10 years.  But I had
> a perfectly good VO sealed bearing unit that needed a home and my fork is
> now secured and buttery smooth turning.  Then I continued the drivetrain
> redux of the Bombadil with 3 new chainrings courtesy of David's Willow
> chainring stash, based on his stock availability I settled on a 49-37-25
> for an odd but evenly spaced triple... unfortunately the 25 proved to be a
> hair to large for the inner postion on my chainstays w/ a 110mm BB spindle
> so my old Sugino 24 got pressed back into duty.  After my ride this morning
> I realize I need to re-visit my FD setup as I dumped the chain past my
> large ring and couldn't get to the small ring but it does look nice and
> after comparing the old vs new side by side I'm satisfied I got the full
> lifetime out of the original rings.  Finally I kept fiddling with the
> Saluki cockpit, going from a ~10cm to 6 or 7cm Nitto stem and continuing to
> mess with the brake setup.  I may spend a bit more time with that tonight.
>
> Today's ride was a nice loop through Old Town Alexandria including Jones
> Point and a back and forth accross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, it was a
> gorgeous morning in the upper 60's and I really enjoyed it.  The Bombadil
> with it's tubless SBH's pumped up around 40psi feels alot like my much
> svelt'er Bob Jackson frame. Between the tires and the fresh drivetrain the
> thing glides along like a freshly greased bearing... I'm still not setting
> (or seeking) any land speed records but it's pretty neat that my roughest
> and tumbler-est bike which I ride singletrack on can also double as a
> quickie/sportif bike with extremely little modification.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Nordstrom's, Classic, Med, Olive, $58 incl shipping. Done!


Thanks, all.

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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[René Sterental]

Oops! Forgot to post the link for the kickstand... https://flic.kr/p/LKGWJ1

René

On Monday, September 5, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:

> Thank you all for all your comments and for sharing in the joy and
> excitement. It's certainly quite meaningful for me.
>
> Responding to the questions...
>
> Originally, Steve Rex said the racks would be for light loads only,
> especially the rear one; however, when I went to pick it up, he said I
> could pretty much load them as I wanted, that they were pretty sturdy and
> rigid, and he referred to them as stiffer than a Tubus rack. I cannot make
> comparisons, and I never intended this to be a touring bike, but more of an
> all-around bike. Still, it's good to know that I don't have to necessarily
> restrain the loads. No matter what, as a low trail bike, the primary loads
> will go on the front and lighter loads on the rear. Not that I'm doing any
> real touring yet, but it's been one of those dreams I have. However, the
> Atlantis is meant for that role. It will be interesting to test and compare
> both for S240s, as I've never used either of them for that. My past two
> S240s were with the Hunqapillar and organized by RBW in Mt. Diablo. They
> haven't organized one in a very long time, and I haven't done one on my own
> either. But I'm thinking of doing one in China Camp, taking the train from
> Palo Alto, then the ferry and then riding there.
>
> The build is as follows:
> - René Herse 26/42 171mm crankset
> - 11/34 Shimano XT 10 speed cassette
> - Sun XCD front and rear derailleurs
> - Shimano 10 speed downtube shifters
> - DMR Vault pedals (chrome)
> - Compass Centerpull brakes with Dia-Compe Non-Aero NOS brake levers
> - 650b Compass 42mm Babyshoe Pass tires
> - Synergy Atlas polished rims 36 spokes
> - Honjo 650b 58mm hammered fenders
> - Front Widebody SON SL Dynamo hub
> - Rear White Industries T11 hub
> - Edelux II front light
> - Compass integrated dynamo taillight (both lights have the stand
> light feature)
> - Compass 40mm Randonneur handlebars
> - Nitto 8cm Pearl stem
> - Nitto S84 lugged seat post with the large setback
> - Brooks B17 Select
> - Berthoud tall Rando bag special version for Compass Cycles with Berthoud
> decaleur
> - Dia-Compe bottle cages (two installed, bike has capacity for three)
>
> I guess that's it, hopefully I'm not forgetting anything...
>
> Ah, yes! Yesterday I finished the one detail that was pending: taped,
> twined and shellacked the kickstand. Used white tape with hand-mixed amber
> shellac trying to get to a honey leather color but ending instead with a
> shade that matches the gum sidewall from the tires which looks quite good
> to me. I cannot remember what tape gives the honey when shellacked in
> amber, but I really like it the outcome I got.
>
> I did one 24 mile on Saturday with friends, exploring the trails going
> north along the SF Bay from Palo Alto, and we "discovered" a very nice park
> I had never been in, with nice dirt trails: Bedwell Bayfront Park, just
> north of Facebook HQ. I'm going to keep exploring that area, as I've never
> ridden there. The Bay Trail is not complete, so the different segments are
> connected by streets, but you ride along salt marshes and it's very nice.
>
> Today I did a 31 mile ride with a friend, riding the Coyote Creek Trail
> from Hellyer Park in San Jose to Morgan Hill and back. We started early
> when it was cool and nice, and avoided the crowds close to the park we
> started seeing by the time we got back. This was my second time on that
> trail and I really like it. It's very well maintained, you go through the
> open areas south of San Jose and pass by a remote control airplane airfield
> where you see some really skilled people flying these large remote control
> airplanes, doing aerobatics and just having fun. Most of them are old men,
> but I don't know exactly what that means. Maybe they have the love and
> patience to build and maintain those airplanes. Or, younger men cannot
> afford them... No women though, at least in the two times I've been there,
> which isn't much to make any assessments. Don't know much about that hobby.
>
> Thanks again to everyone for sharing in this passion. Hopefully, I'll be
> able to join on the next Bay Area group gathering and my custom will be
> allowed.
>
> Hope you all had a wonderful long weekend,
>
> René
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Very nice! Lucky you! Let's hear about the inaugural ride.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:12 PM, René Sterental 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I
>>> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on
>>> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that
>>> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the
>>> kickstand.
>>>
>>> I have to say the on its first ride, the 

[RBW] My custom is finished!

[René Sterental]

Thank you all for all your comments and for sharing in the joy and
excitement. It's certainly quite meaningful for me.

Responding to the questions...

Originally, Steve Rex said the racks would be for light loads only,
especially the rear one; however, when I went to pick it up, he said I
could pretty much load them as I wanted, that they were pretty sturdy and
rigid, and he referred to them as stiffer than a Tubus rack. I cannot make
comparisons, and I never intended this to be a touring bike, but more of an
all-around bike. Still, it's good to know that I don't have to necessarily
restrain the loads. No matter what, as a low trail bike, the primary loads
will go on the front and lighter loads on the rear. Not that I'm doing any
real touring yet, but it's been one of those dreams I have. However, the
Atlantis is meant for that role. It will be interesting to test and compare
both for S240s, as I've never used either of them for that. My past two
S240s were with the Hunqapillar and organized by RBW in Mt. Diablo. They
haven't organized one in a very long time, and I haven't done one on my own
either. But I'm thinking of doing one in China Camp, taking the train from
Palo Alto, then the ferry and then riding there.

The build is as follows:
- René Herse 26/42 171mm crankset
- 11/34 Shimano XT 10 speed cassette
- Sun XCD front and rear derailleurs
- Shimano 10 speed downtube shifters
- DMR Vault pedals (chrome)
- Compass Centerpull brakes with Dia-Compe Non-Aero NOS brake levers
- 650b Compass 42mm Babyshoe Pass tires
- Synergy Atlas polished rims 36 spokes
- Honjo 650b 58mm hammered fenders
- Front Widebody SON SL Dynamo hub
- Rear White Industries T11 hub
- Edelux II front light
- Compass integrated dynamo taillight (both lights have the stand
light feature)
- Compass 40mm Randonneur handlebars
- Nitto 8cm Pearl stem
- Nitto S84 lugged seat post with the large setback
- Brooks B17 Select
- Berthoud tall Rando bag special version for Compass Cycles with Berthoud
decaleur
- Dia-Compe bottle cages (two installed, bike has capacity for three)

I guess that's it, hopefully I'm not forgetting anything...

Ah, yes! Yesterday I finished the one detail that was pending: taped,
twined and shellacked the kickstand. Used white tape with hand-mixed amber
shellac trying to get to a honey leather color but ending instead with a
shade that matches the gum sidewall from the tires which looks quite good
to me. I cannot remember what tape gives the honey when shellacked in
amber, but I really like it the outcome I got.

I did one 24 mile on Saturday with friends, exploring the trails going
north along the SF Bay from Palo Alto, and we "discovered" a very nice park
I had never been in, with nice dirt trails: Bedwell Bayfront Park, just
north of Facebook HQ. I'm going to keep exploring that area, as I've never
ridden there. The Bay Trail is not complete, so the different segments are
connected by streets, but you ride along salt marshes and it's very nice.

Today I did a 31 mile ride with a friend, riding the Coyote Creek Trail
from Hellyer Park in San Jose to Morgan Hill and back. We started early
when it was cool and nice, and avoided the crowds close to the park we
started seeing by the time we got back. This was my second time on that
trail and I really like it. It's very well maintained, you go through the
open areas south of San Jose and pass by a remote control airplane airfield
where you see some really skilled people flying these large remote control
airplanes, doing aerobatics and just having fun. Most of them are old men,
but I don't know exactly what that means. Maybe they have the love and
patience to build and maintain those airplanes. Or, younger men cannot
afford them... No women though, at least in the two times I've been there,
which isn't much to make any assessments. Don't know much about that hobby.

Thanks again to everyone for sharing in this passion. Hopefully, I'll be
able to join on the next Bay Area group gathering and my custom will be
allowed.

Hope you all had a wonderful long weekend,

René

On Monday, September 5, 2016, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Very nice! Lucky you! Let's hear about the inaugural ride.
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:12 PM, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I
>> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on
>> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that
>> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the
>> kickstand.
>>
>> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes,
>> I had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his
>> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get
>> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches,
>> both functional and aesthetic.
>>
>> I had gotten all the 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Mark -- Thanks; you were indeed; and I now remember that. But $75 plus
shipping, while I can get a TB2 Classic for $55 or so and no shipping; *and* no
modifications needed for courier bag use. Still debating ...



On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 7:21 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> I was kind enough to answer this question previously--with photos!:
>
>
>
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/hodyvj2 The answer is
> still yes. And an excellent bag. I use it every day. You will like it.
> Please buy one. *
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:42:42 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>
>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
>> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Patrick,

I was kind enough to answer this question previously--with photos!:




*http://tinyurl.com/hodyvj2 The answer is still 
yes. And an excellent bag. I use it every day. You will like it. Please buy 
one. *
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:42:42 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>
> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a 
> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Ach -- just looked; it's left shoulder and it seems not to be the simple
shoulder-strap-plus-belly-strap sort. It did come up at $53.99, for others
who may be interested.

Thanks anyway. I'll go to REI for Timbuktu.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Remind me, how many advanced degrees do you have?
>
> Put the bag in your cart and at checkout, enter the code SALE40, and,
> voila, the discount appears.
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:25:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> nope; must be zip code categorized.Cheapest is $89.
>>
>> But REI has some deals.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
>>
>>> Measurements are Dimensions: 12"H x 20"W x 7"D 20.5L
>>> Full specs are: http://www.chromeindustries.com/mini-metro-messenger-bag
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:19:48 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:

 *http://tinyurl.com/hcvec6f *

 Page down to the Mini Metro.

 On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:58:48 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better
> deal somewhere, y'all?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>
>> Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for
>> $44. Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would
>>> use any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and
 love it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. 
 Despite
 the cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large
 load, it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as
 stable as a backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. 
 Pricey
 though.

 On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore
 wrote:
>
> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I
> see that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on 
> my
> short list; any other ideas?
>
> Sales? Used?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several
>> months. It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered 
>> it. Very
>> well made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too
>> obvious features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual
>>> keys, sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>>
>>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I
>>> also want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches 
>>> to your
>>> shoulder
>>>
>>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black,
>>> tan, brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>>
>>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>>
>>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>>
>>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I
>>> have a regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless
>>> center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions,
>>> distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>>
>>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless
>>> while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>>
>>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>>
>>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* 

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Jim M.]

Remind me, how many advanced degrees do you have?

Put the bag in your cart and at checkout, enter the code SALE40, and, 
voila, the discount appears.

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:25:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> nope; must be zip code categorized.Cheapest is $89.
>
> But REI has some deals.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Jim M.  
> wrote:
>
>> Measurements are Dimensions: 12"H x 20"W x 7"D 20.5L
>> Full specs are: http://www.chromeindustries.com/mini-metro-messenger-bag
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:19:48 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>> *http://tinyurl.com/hcvec6f *
>>>
>>> Page down to the Mini Metro.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:58:48 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better 
 deal somewhere, y'all?

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:

> Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for 
> $44. Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would 
>> use any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and 
>>> love it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. 
>>> Despite 
>>> the cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large 
>>> load, it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as 
>>> stable as a backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. 
>>> Pricey 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:

 They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I 
 see that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on 
 my 
 short list; any other ideas?

 Sales? Used?

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  
 wrote:

> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several 
> months. It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered 
> it. Very 
> well made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too 
> obvious features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  
> wrote:
>
>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>
>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I 
>> also want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches 
>> to your 
>> shoulder
>>
>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, 
>> tan, brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>
>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>
>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>
>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I 
>> have a regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> *
>> ***
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless 
>> center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, 
>> distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless 
>> while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *
>> Aristotle
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

nope; must be zip code categorized.Cheapest is $89.

But REI has some deals.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Measurements are Dimensions: 12"H x 20"W x 7"D 20.5L
> Full specs are: http://www.chromeindustries.com/mini-metro-messenger-bag
>
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:19:48 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>> *http://tinyurl.com/hcvec6f *
>>
>> Page down to the Mini Metro.
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:58:48 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better
>>> deal somewhere, y'all?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>>>
 Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for $44.
 Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.



 On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would
> use any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>
>> The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and
>> love it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite
>> the cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large
>> load, it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as
>> stable as a backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. 
>> Pricey
>> though.
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see
>>> that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my 
>>> short
>>> list; any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Sales? Used?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several
 months. It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. 
 Very
 well made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too
 obvious features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>
> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I
> also want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to 
> your
> shoulder
>
> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black,
> tan, brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>
> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>
> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>
> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I
> have a regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> 
> 
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center
> of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, 
> distinctions,
> and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless
> while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *
> Aristotle
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, I have carried a Patagonia half-mass bag daily for the last 10
years. My laptop fits well in the padded sleeve, and the bag fits flat
inside the large Wald basket. Patagonia seems to have stopped making the
bag, but there are a number for sale on ebay, Bob

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better
> deal somewhere, y'all?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>
>> Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for $44.
>> Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would use
>>> any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>>>
 The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and
 love it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite
 the cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large
 load, it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as
 stable as a backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. Pricey
 though.

 On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see
> that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short
> list; any other ideas?
>
> Sales? Used?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months.
>> It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well
>> made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious
>> features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
>>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>>
>>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also
>>> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your
>>> shoulder
>>>
>>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
>>> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>>
>>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>>
>>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>>
>>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have
>>> a regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center
>>> of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, 
>>> distinctions,
>>> and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>>
>>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while
>>> the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>>
>>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>>
>>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *
>>> Aristotle
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Jim M.]

Measurements are Dimensions: 12"H x 20"W x 7"D 20.5L
Full specs are: http://www.chromeindustries.com/mini-metro-messenger-bag

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 5:19:48 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/hcvec6f *
>
> Page down to the Mini Metro.
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:58:48 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better 
>> deal somewhere, y'all?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>>
>>> Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for $44. 
>>> Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would 
 use any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:

> The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and 
> love it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite 
> the cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large 
> load, it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as 
> stable as a backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. 
> Pricey 
> though.
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see 
>> that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my 
>> short 
>> list; any other ideas?
>>
>> Sales? Used?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. 
>>> It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very 
>>> well 
>>> made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious 
>>> features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks. 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
 sunglasses, and other small bits.

 "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I 
 also want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to 
 your 
 shoulder

 Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, 
 brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.

 Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.

 Offers? Or, links to good buys?

 I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have 
 a regular Grabsack, and that one won't.

 Thanks.


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Great advice! Thank you Doug, Glen, and James. Sounds like the 50mm big bens 
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Jim M.]

*http://tinyurl.com/hcvec6f*

Page down to the Mini Metro.

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:58:48 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better 
> deal somewhere, y'all?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  > wrote:
>
>> Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for $44. 
>> Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would use 
>>> any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>>>
 The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and 
 love it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite 
 the cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large 
 load, it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as 
 stable as a backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. Pricey 
 though.

 On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see 
> that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short 
> list; any other ideas?
>
> Sales? Used?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  
> wrote:
>
>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. 
>> It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well 
>> made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious 
>> features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
>>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>>
>>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also 
>>> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your 
>>> shoulder
>>>
>>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, 
>>> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>>
>>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>>
>>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>>
>>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have 
>>> a regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Not seeing it, tho' I do see the S that fits a 15" for $59. Any better deal
somewhere, y'all?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:

> Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for $44.
> Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would use
>> any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
>>
>>> The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and love
>>> it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite the
>>> cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large load,
>>> it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as stable as a
>>> backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. Pricey though.
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see
 that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short
 list; any other ideas?

 Sales? Used?

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson 
 wrote:

> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months.
> It fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well
> made, very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious
> features. Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>
>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also
>> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your
>> shoulder
>>
>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
>> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>
>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>
>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>
>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
>> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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>> a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, 
>> and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while
>> the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Eric Karnes]

Gotcha! There's a black and white small one on sale at REI.com for $44. 
Says it fits a 13" laptop. Hard to beat that.



On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:50:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would use 
> any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  > wrote:
>
>> The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and love 
>> it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite the 
>> cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large load, 
>> it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as stable as a 
>> backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. Pricey though.
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see 
>>> that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short 
>>> list; any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Sales? Used?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:
>>>
 I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It 
 fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well 
 made, 
 very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious 
 features. 
 Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks. 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>
> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also 
> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your 
> shoulder
>
> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, 
> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>
> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>
> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>
> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a 
> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
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> the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Jim -- I can't find the site with the coupon and $55 price. Can you direct
me?

Thanks!

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> The Jumbo Grabby will fit your Mac. I like Chrome bags too. They're having
> an extra 40% off sale items that ends today. The Mini Metro will fit your
> needs and with the coupon costs about $55.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see that
>> the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short list;
>> any other ideas?
>>
>> Sales? Used?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It
>>> fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made,
>>> very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features.
>>> Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
 sunglasses, and other small bits.

 "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also
 want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your
 shoulder

 Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
 brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.

 Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.

 Offers? Or, links to good buys?

 I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
 regular Grabsack, and that one won't.

 Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Why doesn't someone build Chrome a user friendly website, with an
easy-for-idiot link to dimensions?

Patrick Moore, planning to revise his own website in ABQ, NM

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks. I'll check Chrome.
>
> What about this one: has anyone actually handled one, or know personally
> about the quality of material and stitching?
>
> http://mikesbikes.com/product/banjo-brothers-messenger-bag-
> medium-184921-1.htm
>
> And, does anyone know about this one?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-BAG434-Messenger-Bag/
> dp/B00B135XRU/ref=sr_1_9/166-6571743-9553530?s=outdoor-
> recreation=UTF8=1473118983=1-9=p_4%3ASunLite
>
> I am far less concerned with features; a single open pocket will be fine,
> as I have a nice neoprene envelope.
>
> Next: I've got an original Grabsack that will carry a 13" but not a 15;
> have converted it to mss bag with new shoulder and belly straps. VG! Can
> trade/part trade ...???...!!!
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
>
>> The Jumbo Grabby will fit your Mac. I like Chrome bags too. They're
>> having an extra 40% off sale items that ends today. The Mini Metro will fit
>> your needs and with the coupon costs about $55.
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see
>>> that the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short
>>> list; any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Sales? Used?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:
>>>
 I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It
 fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made,
 very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features.
 Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo

 On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>
> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also
> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your
> shoulder
>
> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>
> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>
> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>
> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
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> 
> 
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of
> a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while
> the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Eric, I've owned several TB2s and I know that they slip. But I would use
any such bag only for shorter trips, and I can handle the slippage.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:

> The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and love
> it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite the
> cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large load,
> it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as stable as a
> backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. Pricey though.
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see that
>> the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short list;
>> any other ideas?
>>
>> Sales? Used?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It
>>> fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made,
>>> very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features.
>>> Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
 sunglasses, and other small bits.

 "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also
 want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your
 shoulder

 Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
 brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.

 Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.

 Offers? Or, links to good buys?

 I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
 regular Grabsack, and that one won't.

 Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I'll check Chrome.

What about this one: has anyone actually handled one, or know personally
about the quality of material and stitching?

http://mikesbikes.com/product/banjo-brothers-messenger-bag-medium-184921-1.htm

And, does anyone know about this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-BAG434-Messenger-Bag/dp/B00B135XRU/ref=sr_1_9/166-6571743-9553530?s=outdoor-recreation=UTF8=1473118983=1-9=p_4%3ASunLite

I am far less concerned with features; a single open pocket will be fine,
as I have a nice neoprene envelope.

Next: I've got an original Grabsack that will carry a 13" but not a 15;
have converted it to mss bag with new shoulder and belly straps. VG! Can
trade/part trade ...???...!!!

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> The Jumbo Grabby will fit your Mac. I like Chrome bags too. They're having
> an extra 40% off sale items that ends today. The Mini Metro will fit your
> needs and with the coupon costs about $55.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see that
>> the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short list;
>> any other ideas?
>>
>> Sales? Used?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It
>>> fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made,
>>> very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features.
>>> Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
 sunglasses, and other small bits.

 "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also
 want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your
 shoulder

 Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
 brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.

 Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.

 Offers? Or, links to good buys?

 I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
 regular Grabsack, and that one won't.

 Thanks.


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[RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Eric Karnes]

The Timbuktu is a really nice bag...I've had mine for ten years and love 
it. But I've never been particularly fond of riding with it. Despite the 
cross strap, it moves around pretty significantly. And with a large load, 
it's downright unwieldy. Of course, no messenger bag will be as stable as a 
backpack, but I've found the Chromes to be the closest. Pricey though.

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see that 
> the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short list; 
> any other ideas?
>
> Sales? Used?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  > wrote:
>
>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It 
>> fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made, 
>> very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features. 
>> Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
>>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>>
>>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also 
>>> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your 
>>> shoulder
>>>
>>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, 
>>> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>>
>>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>>
>>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>>
>>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a 
>>> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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>>> ***
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>>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>>
>>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Jim M.]

The Jumbo Grabby will fit your Mac. I like Chrome bags too. They're having 
an extra 40% off sale items that ends today. The Mini Metro will fit your 
needs and with the coupon costs about $55.

jim m
wc ca

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see that 
> the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short list; 
> any other ideas?
>
> Sales? Used?
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  > wrote:
>
>> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It 
>> fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made, 
>> very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features. 
>> Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys, 
>>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>>
>>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also 
>>> want the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your 
>>> shoulder
>>>
>>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, 
>>> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>>
>>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>>
>>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>>
>>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a 
>>> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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>>> *
>>> ***
>>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>>
>>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>>
>>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>>
>>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *
>>> Aristotle
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Big Bens on 700c Atlantis

[James Warren]

Jeffrey,

I'm the guy Doug mentioned. On my Toyo 64 cm Atlantis, Big Ben 50's are 
probably the ideal tire. 55's won't fit. I can do the 50's with a fender on the 
Atlantis, but the toe clip overlap was annoying for me.

My Atlantis was from batch 2 in 2001, so it is possible yours is from a later 
batch that has more room, so maybe 55's would fit on yours even though they 
don't fit on mine. However, if you are considering fenders, maybe just go with 
the 50's, because I'd be surprised if an Atlantis, even from a later Toyo 
batch, fit Big Ben 55's AND a fender. 55's with fender won't work on my first 
generation Hunqapillar, and I wouldn't expect any Atlantis to have more 
clearance than that.

Both tires, Big Ben 55 and Big Ben 50, ride great for me. I don't consider them 
slow or sluggish, and their tread is useful on dirt. I think they're the best 
all rounder tire I've found. If Compass ever came out with a supple 700x50, I'd 
only then be tempted to replace my Big Bens, and I think that's saying a lot, 
and even then, I'm not sure Big Ben wouldn't still be the best choice on dirt. 
For the nice ride they give combined with a very low frequency of flats, in not 
sure why if think of improving upon them.

And the 55's are better, but the 50's are great. I've gone overnighting on the 
50's with all-day tire happiness both on dirt and pavement in the same trip.

Big Ben 50's are the optimum Atlantis tire I think. If someone were spec'ing 
their first Atlantis build, I certainly say that is the tire to use. I see no 
reason to go narrower even if that bike were limited to paved roads.

-James

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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Jeffrey B  wrote:
> 
> I'm considering new tires for a 64cm Toyo Atlantis. Im riding little bens 
> right now and they have been great, but I'd like more width. I'm playing with 
> getting the Big Bens on 50 or 55. Rims are Sun cr-18. I know the 50s will fit 
> but not sure I can get the 55s under fenders. Any thoughts or advice? I'm 
> looking for something that will do a 100mile per week (paved) commute and 
> have some tread for the occasional weekend trail ride. Also considered the 
> marathon mondial but seems like it could be overkill. Thanks!
> 
> Jeff
> Arlington, Va
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

They are nice, but $219 for the smaller one -- too rich, alas. I see that
the "classic" Timbuktu in small is $89 list, and that is on my short list;
any other ideas?

Sales? Used?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Gibson  wrote:

> I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It
> fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made,
> very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features.
> Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
>> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>>
>> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also want
>> the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your shoulder
>>
>> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan,
>> brown, beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>>
>> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>>
>> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>>
>> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
>> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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>> 
>> 
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>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Bill Gibson]

I've been using a Peak Design Everyday Messenger for several months. It
fits your description, but maybe you haven't considered it. Very well made,
very well thought out. Look at the video for many not too obvious features.
Great for non-camera and for camera related tasks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtjqnxxLbo

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
> sunglasses, and other small bits.
>
> "Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also want
> the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your shoulder
>
> Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, brown,
> beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.
>
> Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.
>
> Offers? Or, links to good buys?
>
> I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
> regular Grabsack, and that one won't.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cambrium C19

[Joe Bernard]

I've purchased two well-used B17s in the last year, and they're both absurdly 
comfortable. Embrace the beater Brooks!

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[RBW] Re: Big Bens on 700c Atlantis

[Glen]

I have been running 50mm Big Apples on Velocity Dyads under 60mm Berthoud 
fenders and they work great.

FWIW I have a pair of brand new Big Bens for sale if you're interested.

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-6, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> I'm considering new tires for a 64cm Toyo Atlantis. Im riding little bens 
> right now and they have been great, but I'd like more width. I'm playing 
> with getting the Big Bens on 50 or 55. Rims are Sun cr-18. I know the 50s 
> will fit but not sure I can get the 55s under fenders. Any thoughts or 
> advice? I'm looking for something that will do a 100mile per week (paved) 
> commute and have some tread for the occasional weekend trail ride. Also 
> considered the marathon mondial but seems like it could be overkill. Thanks!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, Va
>

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[RBW] Re: What'r ye runnin' yer Compass Stampede Pass tire pressures at?

[John Hawrylak]

Brian

For the 35mm tire, your 35/45 psig values are each 8 psig lower than the 
15%Tire Drop Pressures (TDP) for 191 lb Total Weight (165 + 31), assuming 
your AHH is a 45%/55% Front/Rear weight distribution.  The % of the 15% TDP 
is -19% Front, and -15% Rear. 

Here are the calculated 15% TDP for the 3 weight distributions, with a 
comparison made to the 45%/55% distribution

 Wt Dist 15% TDP FrontRear Your Values 
FrontRearDiff, Your-15%TDP  % of 15%TDP

Rando45%/55%43psig  54psig   
35psig  45psig-8psig   -8psig-19%,  -15%
Racing   40%/60%38psig  57psi 
City35%/65%34psig  62psig

The -8 psig under inflation on F  is at the lower border of most of the 
members, i.e, their pressures are slightly higher than yours accounting for 
weights.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:37:02 PM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:

> One more data point. I weigh 165 and my bike (AHH) is about 31lbs with 
> normal gear. I ran the tires at 40 front and 60 rear, but let them drop to 
> 30/50 on occasion before topping them. I have since switched to Bon Jons 
> (35mm), and run them about 35/45.  
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] How was your (Bike) Labor Day?

[Steve Palincsar]

I rode the Indian Head 100.  Saw Lungimsam at the last two rest stops.  
What a great day to ride a 100 mile ride!



On 09/05/2016 04:26 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

Anyone accomplish some projects or get a good ride in?

I knocked out a couple satisfying but relatively minor projects on 
Sunday and got a nice ride in this morning.  The XO-3 got a 
long-needed headset replacement - the original cup and ball bearing 
unit was pitted and loose, though after removal I'm pretty sure you 
could clean it up, replace the bearings, slather with grease and be 
good for another 10 years.  But I had a perfectly good VO sealed 
bearing unit that needed a home and my fork is now secured and buttery 
smooth turning.  Then I continued the drivetrain redux of the Bombadil 
with 3 new chainrings courtesy of David's Willow chainring stash, 
based on his stock availability I settled on a 49-37-25 for an odd but 
evenly spaced triple... unfortunately the 25 proved to be a hair to 
large for the inner postion on my chainstays w/ a 110mm BB spindle so 
my old Sugino 24 got pressed back into duty.  After my ride this 
morning I realize I need to re-visit my FD setup as I dumped the chain 
past my large ring and couldn't get to the small ring but it does look 
nice and after comparing the old vs new side by side I'm satisfied I 
got the full lifetime out of the original rings.  Finally I kept 
fiddling with the Saluki cockpit, going from a ~10cm to 6 or 7cm Nitto 
stem and continuing to mess with the brake setup.  I may spend a bit 
more time with that tonight.


Today's ride was a nice loop through Old Town Alexandria including 
Jones Point and a back and forth accross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, it 
was a gorgeous morning in the upper 60's and I really enjoyed it.  The 
Bombadil with it's tubless SBH's pumped up around 40psi feels alot 
like my much svelt'er Bob Jackson frame. Between the tires and the 
fresh drivetrain the thing glides along like a freshly greased 
bearing... I'm still not setting (or seeking) any land speed records 
but it's pretty neat that my roughest and tumbler-est bike which I 
ride singletrack on can also double as a quickie/sportif bike with 
extremely little modification.














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[RBW] Re: Big Bens on 700c Atlantis

[dougP]

Jeff:

I've used the Marathon Mondials in 45 mm width on my Atlantis.  They are 
overkill for your use as described.  Great stout tire with plenty of tread 
that would be a candidate for bikepacking offroad but a bit much on 
pavement.  I use Supremes for most of my riding but do have to be careful 
on dirt as they don't have the traction of the Mondials.

Another listmember has used Big Bens quite a bit & likes them a lot.  He 
has both an Atlantis & a Hunqapillar but I'm not sure which tires are on 
each bike.  He also rides large frames & commutes so similar useage.  
Hopefully he'll chime in on your post.

dougP

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:53:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> I'm considering new tires for a 64cm Toyo Atlantis. Im riding little bens 
> right now and they have been great, but I'd like more width. I'm playing 
> with getting the Big Bens on 50 or 55. Rims are Sun cr-18. I know the 50s 
> will fit but not sure I can get the 55s under fenders. Any thoughts or 
> advice? I'm looking for something that will do a 100mile per week (paved) 
> commute and have some tread for the occasional weekend trail ride. Also 
> considered the marathon mondial but seems like it could be overkill. Thanks!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, Va
>

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[RBW] Big Bens on 700c Atlantis

[Jeffrey B]

I'm considering new tires for a 64cm Toyo Atlantis. Im riding little bens right 
now and they have been great, but I'd like more width. I'm playing with getting 
the Big Bens on 50 or 55. Rims are Sun cr-18. I know the 50s will fit but not 
sure I can get the 55s under fenders. Any thoughts or advice? I'm looking for 
something that will do a 100mile per week (paved) commute and have some tread 
for the occasional weekend trail ride. Also considered the marathon mondial but 
seems like it could be overkill. Thanks!

Jeff
Arlington, Va

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[RBW] ISO a courier bag that will hold a 13" Macbook Pro

[Patrick Moore]

Let's just say 10" X 15" ... plus a book or 2 and the usual keys,
sunglasses, and other small bits.

"Courier" bag, because I want something I can use on the bike.I also want
the design with a waist strap, not the type that cinches to your shoulder

Color: not too particular, as long as it is dull: gray, black, tan, brown,
beige, olive, taupe -- sad sack color.

Materials, ditto, as long as they are sturdy.

Offers? Or, links to good buys?

I've looked at the JUMBO Rivendell Grabsack; will that work? I have a
regular Grabsack, and that one won't.

Thanks.


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*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

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Re: [RBW] My custom is finished!

[Patrick Moore]

Very nice! Lucky you! Let's hear about the inaugural ride.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 7:12 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I
> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on
> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that
> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the
> kickstand.
>
> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes, I
> had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his
> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get
> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches,
> both functional and aesthetic.
>
> I had gotten all the parts after careful consideration, as well as decided
> to try a B17 Select again based on the reviews from members of this group
> that stated it was quite superior to the regular ones due to its special
> leather.
>
> I had even decided to try to go with traditional non-aero brake levers for
> the personality and looks, and got some original NOS Dia-Compe brakes to
> try. If I didn't like them, I'd go back to the aero levers but this was my
> chance to try them. Even got the Dia-Compe cages from RBW that I thought
> were more elegant than the King cages I have on the other bikes.
>
> I'm sure you want to see photos first, so here is the link to the first
> photo: https://flic.kr/p/LFW4RL - scroll to the right for more.
>
> The quality of the ride was fantastic. I believe I ended up in a slightly
> more aggressive position, but even more comfortable than on the Atlantis. I
> love the brake levers and their braking with the Compass Centerpull brakes.
> Even though I can tell they are less powerful from the hoods than the aero
> levers, the braking feel is totally fine and I like the power and
> modulation of those brakes.
>
> I got the special washers that Jan just released to give the brake pads
> automatic permanent toe-in, but even so, with new brake pads and new
> polished rims, the brakes squealed quite a bit at first. While I didn't
> expect the intensity of the sound, what was even more astounding was the
> quality of the sound. They sounded like the fog horn on a ship, not at all
> the high pitch squeal I've gotten from other brakes in the past. The sound
> progressively diminished during the ride, and towards the end I remembered
> to throw some water on the pads which everyone says quiets them and that
> worked. The sound is not completely gone yet, but almost. I'm going on 30
> mile ride tomorrow in the Coyote Creek Trail and I'm sure that with a few
> more water splashes they'll be totally quiet and I'll miss sounding like a
> ship through the fog.
>
> I went with the 40mm wide Compass Rando bars which combined with the 35mm
> trail was perfect. I have the 42mm wide on the Atlantis (40mm trail) but I
> think I'll try the 40mm bars on it as well. My hands were much more
> comfortable, and I don't know yet what the exact difference is, but I'll
> try to assess it.
>
> I was planning on going with the brown tall Acorn Rando bag, and had
> gotten the matching Rando and medium saddle bag, but last week I "felt" I
> had to consider the Berthoud Rando bag as well, as it seemed it would match
> the bike much better. Theo at Compass has always been so nice to me, that I
> ordered the bag from them (Jan has also customized them) and it was love at
> fit sight! (Pun intended). I was really impressed by the Berthoud bag, and
> needless to say, it seems it was meant for my custom. So I had to decide
> what to do with the Acorn bags and after a family demo and show, the
> overall consensus was that I needed to put the brown one on the Atlantis as
> it was better than the green one. My son and I had a harder time deciding,
> but for my wife it was a no-brainier and anything that gets her "involved"
> in my bikes is good!
>
> I've offered the bags to a friend who just got a Soma Randonneur, but if
> he doesn't want them, I'll post them from sale here. Needless to say, they
> in like-new condition with imperceptible wear. I've had them for a while,
> but just put them on the Atlantis a couple of months ago.
>
> So needless to say, I'm incredibly excited and satisfied with the outcome.
> As I ride it more and continue to lose weight and get fitter, I'm sure
> there will be minor tweaks here and there, but for the first time, I truly
> have everything I've wanted in a single bike. What will that mean moving
> forward for the rest of my stable? We'll see... No matter what, I'm sure
> I'll always have at least one Rivendell bike next to it.
>
> René
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[RBW] How was your (Bike) Labor Day?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Anyone accomplish some projects or get a good ride in?

I knocked out a couple satisfying but relatively minor projects on Sunday 
and got a nice ride in this morning.  The XO-3 got a long-needed headset 
replacement - the original cup and ball bearing unit was pitted and loose, 
though after removal I'm pretty sure you could clean it up, replace the 
bearings, slather with grease and be good for another 10 years.  But I had 
a perfectly good VO sealed bearing unit that needed a home and my fork is 
now secured and buttery smooth turning.  Then I continued the drivetrain 
redux of the Bombadil with 3 new chainrings courtesy of David's Willow 
chainring stash, based on his stock availability I settled on a 49-37-25 
for an odd but evenly spaced triple... unfortunately the 25 proved to be a 
hair to large for the inner postion on my chainstays w/ a 110mm BB spindle 
so my old Sugino 24 got pressed back into duty.  After my ride this morning 
I realize I need to re-visit my FD setup as I dumped the chain past my 
large ring and couldn't get to the small ring but it does look nice and 
after comparing the old vs new side by side I'm satisfied I got the full 
lifetime out of the original rings.  Finally I kept fiddling with the 
Saluki cockpit, going from a ~10cm to 6 or 7cm Nitto stem and continuing to 
mess with the brake setup.  I may spend a bit more time with that tonight.

Today's ride was a nice loop through Old Town Alexandria including Jones 
Point and a back and forth accross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, it was a 
gorgeous morning in the upper 60's and I really enjoyed it.  The Bombadil 
with it's tubless SBH's pumped up around 40psi feels alot like my much 
svelt'er Bob Jackson frame. Between the tires and the fresh drivetrain the 
thing glides along like a freshly greased bearing... I'm still not setting 
(or seeking) any land speed records but it's pretty neat that my roughest 
and tumbler-est bike which I ride singletrack on can also double as a 
quickie/sportif bike with extremely little modification.













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Re: [RBW] Best way to remove lawyer lips

[ted]

True indeed and if that's what you like by all means do. I find a good diag 
cutter and a hand file plenty fast and easy enough. Also quieter and generally 
more peaceful and relaxed. 

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Re: [RBW] Best way to remove lawyer lips

[Glen]

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:13:02 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>  And maybe it's the project I need to finally buy a dremel...
>
>>
>>
Fender stays, brake cable housing, etc.,  any job that needs a quick cut is 
perfect for a cordless Dremel 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Willow Chainring Sale, cont. - Canvas Bags & Leather Goods - Pre-Order Bag Discount.

[David Banzer]

Thanks Tom! I started a doctorate program and decided to buy a house in the 
same week. Next month is going to be a blur!
I will be very close to some trails though - I hope to get my Riv Redwood 
(recently shod with WTB Horizons) out on some dirt/gravel. Photos to come for 
sure.  
David
Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

[Patrick Moore]

I've used the A 530s and the M 324s many times, but (frankly) I've found I
dislike "retentionless" pedals; I like, at least, toe clips and straps.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:

> Patrick, a bit of a sidebar but why not use Shimano A530 pedals, flats on
> one side SPD on the other. Or if you want fancy, there is a XT variant.
> Such pedals are nice to have on at least one bike!
>
> Cheers
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all, again. After the usual feverish impulse dies down, I daresay
>> that the really sensible option is much as Garth urged, which is to ride
>> one of my present stable: not the Dahon -- tho' not bad, it's just doesn't
>> feel "easy enough" to ride; but the Matthews. The only downside is that I
>> have to wear SPD shoes or else swap out the pedals for some clip 'n' strap
>> touring pedals, which I just may do one day.
>>
>> But the discussion was not only interesting but brought to attention some
>> very likely possibilities at very reasonable prices.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who just rode the Matthews, and remarked how easy it is to
>> ride even after a protracted layoff.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Let's say that you've decided your stable has a niche for  "just ride"
>>> bicycle, one that *encourages* slow meandering rides, with sit up and
>>> beg position, street shoe pedals, and comfortable tires. But you can't
>>> afford a Clem, and yet want something less ponderous and ungainly than,
>>> say, a Raleigh Sports. Since this is a "spur of the moment, get on and ride
>>> for 10 to 30 minutes" kind of bike, you won't need fenders; but you might
>>> want a rack or bag for light loads -- say taking a ride to the nearby Open
>>> Space park to do some work on your laptop.
>>>
>>> What would you build up? For example, would you choose an old chromo
>>> road frame and 650B it, or would you choose a nice old rigid mtb (not
>>> pre-NORBA; I don't like the old ones) and shoe it with Rat Trap Passes?
>>>
>>> Bar? Saddle? Pedals?
>>>
>>> Describe the saddle and build kit and gearing -- me, I'd be inclined to
>>> make it fixed or, at least, ss -- keep it simple = just get on and ride, in
>>> my opinion. Platforms or clips 'n' straps?
>>>
>>> First criterion: easy no-thought, no-prep riding; second, stability;
>>> third, comfort and efficiency -- no g-d iron tires; fourth, cheap.
>>>
>>> The Dahon is somewhat of this quality, but it's a bit too twitchy to be
>>> ideal for this purpose. Perhaps I should look into replacing the 35 mm
>>> Kojaks with 55 mm Big Apples ...
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[RichS]

Rene, wishing you many satisfying miles on this gem of a bike. Thanks for 
sharing the build story.

Best,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender suggestions for a 26" wheeled Atlantis

[R Shannon]

Eamon, nicely done. My compliments!

Best,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2016, at 7:21 PM, 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I could have spread the fenders even a little more for a closer fit, but I 
> wanted to leave plenty of clearance for riding on trails (I also used the PDW 
> fender stay mounts with the release on them).  Seems like a pretty good 
> fender line to me.
> 
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 10:19:42 AM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>> I don't have an Atlantis, but I found the 650b VO zeppelins worked great for 
>> me on my old Trek Antelope with 1.75" paselas. You do need to spread them a 
>> little to get the radius correct. I found this increased the width from 52mm 
>> to about 54-55mm. This left me with a perfect fender line and tons of 
>> clearance. You do have to be somewhat careful to spread them evenly, but I 
>> didn't find it hard. I'll try to post a picture in a while. 
>> 
>> Eamon
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Albastache Bar

[Bob K.]

The list came through once again. Thanks, folks!

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[RBW] Re: Best way to remove lawyer lips

[Michael Hechmer]

As has been written slow and steady with a file or quick with a dremel both 
work well.  However if you don't want to do that, 1upUSA sells a QR with a 
built in adjustable stop that gets set with a 3 mm allen wrench.  Once you 
set it you just have to retighten the QR until you hit the stop.  Even 
without lips I use one on the tandem because just like you I take the front 
wheel off everytime I put it on the roof rack.

Michael

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> My Saluki replacement fork I've been riding the past year or so can't from 
> Waterford with some aggressive lawyer lips and in my haste to get the bike 
> rolling again I missed the opportunity to get them removed before I had the 
> fans and fork coated... It wasn't a big deal because I rarely removed the 
> wheel but now that I'm using a fork mounted truck bed rack system it's 
> getting to be a pain in the neck.
>
> I'm ok with having a touched up spot on the fork dropouts but was curious 
> if anyone has done this to a Riv fork... Seems like the most cautious 
> approach would be slow and steady with a file.  A grinder of some kind 
> would of course make quick work but potentially remove more material than 
> I'm looking for.  
>
> Any best practices out there?
>
> As an aside I really miss using my original (crashed) fork which was a bit 
> slighter, less beefy looking, had a different crown and had splendidly 
> lip-less dropouts.  It starts at me mockingly from above my workbench all 
> the time reminding me to always check/tighten my rack bolts!  :)
>
> Tony
>
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[RBW] Re: Cambrium C19

[Bob K.]

This is a thread drift, but only slightly:

The comments here and on iBob inspired me to give the *C15* a go. I have 
one on demo from my LBS right now. It's almost an exact match in terms of 
shape with a hideous-but-oh-so-comfy plastic saddle I pulled off a cracked 
frame scrap heap Specialized Allez, so I figured it would feel pretty 
great. I was wrong, at least so far. 

I love the look, but to my sits bones, it may as well be made of granite. 
Might have to finally lace-up and pool noodle my B17s and/or come to grips 
with the fact that I love an ugly saddle and shift the aforementioned 
plastic job onto my Sam. 

Bob in Baltimore

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:09:59 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Whoops...looks like the C19 is in fact shorter-nosed like the C17s. Shows 
> what I know!
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:03:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. If you're looking for the closest in width to the B17, I would 
>> look for a shop that has a C19 you could demo. Because the Cambiums are 
>> more rounded on top, I've found they feel a bit narrower than their leather 
>> counterparts. Although the 19 doesn't come in a short-nosed version like 
>> the C17 the OP was asking about.
>>
>> In my search for the perfect(ish) saddle, I have to say that the C17 has 
>> come closest so far. For the majority of riding I do (anywhere from 1–40 
>> miles in regular old clothes) it seems to offer the most advantages:
>>
>> 1. Very comfortable over shorter distances, and not too bad over longer 
>> ones
>> 2. Fairly weatherproof
>> 3. Doesn't stain all of my clothes like the non-select versions of 
>> leather Brooks I've owned
>> 4. Much more fore/aft rail adjustability than leather Brooks (not as big 
>> a deal on Rivs or Surlys, but still nice)
>> 5. Seems very well made
>>
>> The two runner ups are the B17 (dye transfer just ruined too many pairs 
>> of shorts) and the Selle Anatomica (super comfortable, but poorly made and 
>> ALWAYS squeaking). I never did try a Rivet, as I have limited funds for 
>> experimentation.
>>
>> Although, as always it's whatever works for you...
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:36:08 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a C17.
>>> It was just OK on the Sam Hillborne but I really like it on my Bromton.
>>> No idea why.
>>>  
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:45:24 AM UTC+3, Kellie wrote:
>>>
 Anyone ride one of these? The shorter, wider version in the Cambium 
 line.


 



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Re: [RBW] Best way to remove lawyer lips

[Tony DeFilippo]

:). Scott I like your attitude!  And maybe it's the project I need to
finally buy a dremel...

Ted thanks it's good to hear it's easy with a hand file.

Did either of you touch up the area with some paint or nail polish?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, 13:46 Scott Henry  wrote:

> Power tools are never necessary, but they sure make things easy.
> Dremel with a grinding wheel will do the job in about 2 seconds per tab.
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016, ted  wrote:
>
>> I filed off the lips on my SimpleOne fork the day I picked up my frame. I
>> used a hand file and it was easy and quick. I don't think a power tool is
>> necessary.
>>
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:11:43 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> My Saluki replacement fork I've been riding the past year or so can't
>>> from Waterford with some aggressive lawyer lips and in my haste to get the
>>> bike rolling again I missed the opportunity to get them removed before I
>>> had the fans and fork coated... It wasn't a big deal because I rarely
>>> removed the wheel but now that I'm using a fork mounted truck bed rack
>>> system it's getting to be a pain in the neck.
>>>
>>> I'm ok with having a touched up spot on the fork dropouts but was
>>> curious if anyone has done this to a Riv fork... Seems like the most
>>> cautious approach would be slow and steady with a file.  A grinder of some
>>> kind would of course make quick work but potentially remove more material
>>> than I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> Any best practices out there?
>>>
>>> As an aside I really miss using my original (crashed) fork which was a
>>> bit slighter, less beefy looking, had a different crown and had splendidly
>>> lip-less dropouts.  It starts at me mockingly from above my workbench all
>>> the time reminding me to always check/tighten my rack bolts!  :)
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Best way to remove lawyer lips

[Scott Henry]

Power tools are never necessary, but they sure make things easy.
Dremel with a grinding wheel will do the job in about 2 seconds per tab.



On Monday, September 5, 2016, ted  wrote:

> I filed off the lips on my SimpleOne fork the day I picked up my frame. I
> used a hand file and it was easy and quick. I don't think a power tool is
> necessary.
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:11:43 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> My Saluki replacement fork I've been riding the past year or so can't
>> from Waterford with some aggressive lawyer lips and in my haste to get the
>> bike rolling again I missed the opportunity to get them removed before I
>> had the fans and fork coated... It wasn't a big deal because I rarely
>> removed the wheel but now that I'm using a fork mounted truck bed rack
>> system it's getting to be a pain in the neck.
>>
>> I'm ok with having a touched up spot on the fork dropouts but was curious
>> if anyone has done this to a Riv fork... Seems like the most cautious
>> approach would be slow and steady with a file.  A grinder of some kind
>> would of course make quick work but potentially remove more material than
>> I'm looking for.
>>
>> Any best practices out there?
>>
>> As an aside I really miss using my original (crashed) fork which was a
>> bit slighter, less beefy looking, had a different crown and had splendidly
>> lip-less dropouts.  It starts at me mockingly from above my workbench all
>> the time reminding me to always check/tighten my rack bolts!  :)
>>
>> Tony
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[RBW] Re: Fender suggestions for a 26" wheeled Atlantis

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have an Atlantis, but I found the 650b VO zeppelins worked great for me 
on my old Trek Antelope with 1.75" paselas. You do need to spread them a little 
to get the radius correct. I found this increased the width from 52mm to about 
54-55mm. This left me with a perfect fender line and tons of clearance. You do 
have to be somewhat careful to spread them evenly, but I didn't find it hard. 
I'll try to post a picture in a while.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: What's in Your Cockpit?

[JohnS]

I'm in the less is more crowd as well. 

Quick Beam = brake levers, bell, down tube shifter for the 2 fixed Bendix 
hub
Salsa Casseroll = inverse levers on mustache bar, down tube shifter for 
rear derailleur, no front derailleur

Lights are currently strapped on for the summer, will mount to QB front 
rack in the fall.

JohnS


On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:22:13 AM UTC-4, Clementine59 wrote:
>
> All of my bikes: brake levers, bell, mirror and a battery-powered 
> headlight/mount. This summer, I removed all of my bike computers in tossed 
> them in the trash. I haven't missed them. 
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 8:37:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> My Riv Road: Steel, leather, friction shifting ... and a bunch of 
>> electronic gear. Even the headlights are electronic. 
>>
>> What's in *your* cockpit?
>>
>>
>>
>> –Eric N
>>
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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[Eric Karnes]

Beautiful!

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I 
> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on 
> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that 
> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the 
> kickstand.
>
> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes, I 
> had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his 
> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get 
> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches, 
> both functional and aesthetic.
>
> I had gotten all the parts after careful consideration, as well as decided 
> to try a B17 Select again based on the reviews from members of this group 
> that stated it was quite superior to the regular ones due to its special 
> leather.
>
> I had even decided to try to go with traditional non-aero brake levers for 
> the personality and looks, and got some original NOS Dia-Compe brakes to 
> try. If I didn't like them, I'd go back to the aero levers but this was my 
> chance to try them. Even got the Dia-Compe cages from RBW that I thought 
> were more elegant than the King cages I have on the other bikes.
>
> I'm sure you want to see photos first, so here is the link to the first 
> photo: https://flic.kr/p/LFW4RL - scroll to the right for more.
>
> The quality of the ride was fantastic. I believe I ended up in a slightly 
> more aggressive position, but even more comfortable than on the Atlantis. I 
> love the brake levers and their braking with the Compass Centerpull brakes. 
> Even though I can tell they are less powerful from the hoods than the aero 
> levers, the braking feel is totally fine and I like the power and 
> modulation of those brakes.
>
> I got the special washers that Jan just released to give the brake pads 
> automatic permanent toe-in, but even so, with new brake pads and new 
> polished rims, the brakes squealed quite a bit at first. While I didn't 
> expect the intensity of the sound, what was even more astounding was the 
> quality of the sound. They sounded like the fog horn on a ship, not at all 
> the high pitch squeal I've gotten from other brakes in the past. The sound 
> progressively diminished during the ride, and towards the end I remembered 
> to throw some water on the pads which everyone says quiets them and that 
> worked. The sound is not completely gone yet, but almost. I'm going on 30 
> mile ride tomorrow in the Coyote Creek Trail and I'm sure that with a few 
> more water splashes they'll be totally quiet and I'll miss sounding like a 
> ship through the fog.
>
> I went with the 40mm wide Compass Rando bars which combined with the 35mm 
> trail was perfect. I have the 42mm wide on the Atlantis (40mm trail) but I 
> think I'll try the 40mm bars on it as well. My hands were much more 
> comfortable, and I don't know yet what the exact difference is, but I'll 
> try to assess it.
>
> I was planning on going with the brown tall Acorn Rando bag, and had 
> gotten the matching Rando and medium saddle bag, but last week I "felt" I 
> had to consider the Berthoud Rando bag as well, as it seemed it would match 
> the bike much better. Theo at Compass has always been so nice to me, that I 
> ordered the bag from them (Jan has also customized them) and it was love at 
> fit sight! (Pun intended). I was really impressed by the Berthoud bag, and 
> needless to say, it seems it was meant for my custom. So I had to decide 
> what to do with the Acorn bags and after a family demo and show, the 
> overall consensus was that I needed to put the brown one on the Atlantis as 
> it was better than the green one. My son and I had a harder time deciding, 
> but for my wife it was a no-brainier and anything that gets her "involved" 
> in my bikes is good!
>
> I've offered the bags to a friend who just got a Soma Randonneur, but if 
> he doesn't want them, I'll post them from sale here. Needless to say, they 
> in like-new condition with imperceptible wear. I've had them for a while, 
> but just put them on the Atlantis a couple of months ago.
>
> So needless to say, I'm incredibly excited and satisfied with the outcome. 
> As I ride it more and continue to lose weight and get fitter, I'm sure 
> there will be minor tweaks here and there, but for the first time, I truly 
> have everything I've wanted in a single bike. What will that mean moving 
> forward for the rest of my stable? We'll see... No matter what, I'm sure 
> I'll always have at least one Rivendell bike next to it. 
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cambrium C19

[Eric Karnes]

Whoops...looks like the C19 is in fact shorter-nosed like the C17s. Shows 
what I know!

Eric

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:03:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Agreed. If you're looking for the closest in width to the B17, I would 
> look for a shop that has a C19 you could demo. Because the Cambiums are 
> more rounded on top, I've found they feel a bit narrower than their leather 
> counterparts. Although the 19 doesn't come in a short-nosed version like 
> the C17 the OP was asking about.
>
> In my search for the perfect(ish) saddle, I have to say that the C17 has 
> come closest so far. For the majority of riding I do (anywhere from 1–40 
> miles in regular old clothes) it seems to offer the most advantages:
>
> 1. Very comfortable over shorter distances, and not too bad over longer 
> ones
> 2. Fairly weatherproof
> 3. Doesn't stain all of my clothes like the non-select versions of leather 
> Brooks I've owned
> 4. Much more fore/aft rail adjustability than leather Brooks (not as big a 
> deal on Rivs or Surlys, but still nice)
> 5. Seems very well made
>
> The two runner ups are the B17 (dye transfer just ruined too many pairs of 
> shorts) and the Selle Anatomica (super comfortable, but poorly made and 
> ALWAYS squeaking). I never did try a Rivet, as I have limited funds for 
> experimentation.
>
> Although, as always it's whatever works for you...
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:36:08 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I have a C17.
>> It was just OK on the Sam Hillborne but I really like it on my Bromton.
>> No idea why.
>>  
>> Jay
>>
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:45:24 AM UTC+3, Kellie wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone ride one of these? The shorter, wider version in the Cambium line.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[JohnS]

Beautiful build René. I especially like the custom racks and their 
integration with the fenders and head light. The rear rack is very 
interesting. It's there, but not there sort of rack so I wonder how much it 
will be able carry, but then again, that maybe the point. Also the lug work 
is stunning!

Thanks for sharing,
JohnS


On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I 
> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on 
> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that 
> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the 
> kickstand.
>
> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes, I 
> had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his 
> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get 
> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches, 
> both functional and aesthetic.
>
> I had gotten all the parts after careful consideration, as well as decided 
> to try a B17 Select again based on the reviews from members of this group 
> that stated it was quite superior to the regular ones due to its special 
> leather.
>
> I had even decided to try to go with traditional non-aero brake levers for 
> the personality and looks, and got some original NOS Dia-Compe brakes to 
> try. If I didn't like them, I'd go back to the aero levers but this was my 
> chance to try them. Even got the Dia-Compe cages from RBW that I thought 
> were more elegant than the King cages I have on the other bikes.
>
> I'm sure you want to see photos first, so here is the link to the first 
> photo: https://flic.kr/p/LFW4RL - scroll to the right for more.
>
> The quality of the ride was fantastic. I believe I ended up in a slightly 
> more aggressive position, but even more comfortable than on the Atlantis. I 
> love the brake levers and their braking with the Compass Centerpull brakes. 
> Even though I can tell they are less powerful from the hoods than the aero 
> levers, the braking feel is totally fine and I like the power and 
> modulation of those brakes.
>
> I got the special washers that Jan just released to give the brake pads 
> automatic permanent toe-in, but even so, with new brake pads and new 
> polished rims, the brakes squealed quite a bit at first. While I didn't 
> expect the intensity of the sound, what was even more astounding was the 
> quality of the sound. They sounded like the fog horn on a ship, not at all 
> the high pitch squeal I've gotten from other brakes in the past. The sound 
> progressively diminished during the ride, and towards the end I remembered 
> to throw some water on the pads which everyone says quiets them and that 
> worked. The sound is not completely gone yet, but almost. I'm going on 30 
> mile ride tomorrow in the Coyote Creek Trail and I'm sure that with a few 
> more water splashes they'll be totally quiet and I'll miss sounding like a 
> ship through the fog.
>
> I went with the 40mm wide Compass Rando bars which combined with the 35mm 
> trail was perfect. I have the 42mm wide on the Atlantis (40mm trail) but I 
> think I'll try the 40mm bars on it as well. My hands were much more 
> comfortable, and I don't know yet what the exact difference is, but I'll 
> try to assess it.
>
> I was planning on going with the brown tall Acorn Rando bag, and had 
> gotten the matching Rando and medium saddle bag, but last week I "felt" I 
> had to consider the Berthoud Rando bag as well, as it seemed it would match 
> the bike much better. Theo at Compass has always been so nice to me, that I 
> ordered the bag from them (Jan has also customized them) and it was love at 
> fit sight! (Pun intended). I was really impressed by the Berthoud bag, and 
> needless to say, it seems it was meant for my custom. So I had to decide 
> what to do with the Acorn bags and after a family demo and show, the 
> overall consensus was that I needed to put the brown one on the Atlantis as 
> it was better than the green one. My son and I had a harder time deciding, 
> but for my wife it was a no-brainier and anything that gets her "involved" 
> in my bikes is good!
>
> I've offered the bags to a friend who just got a Soma Randonneur, but if 
> he doesn't want them, I'll post them from sale here. Needless to say, they 
> in like-new condition with imperceptible wear. I've had them for a while, 
> but just put them on the Atlantis a couple of months ago.
>
> So needless to say, I'm incredibly excited and satisfied with the outcome. 
> As I ride it more and continue to lose weight and get fitter, I'm sure 
> there will be minor tweaks here and there, but for the first time, I truly 
> have everything I've wanted in a single bike. What will that mean moving 
> forward for the rest of my stable? We'll see... No matter what, I'm sure 
> I'll always have 

[RBW] Re: Cambrium C19

[Eric Karnes]

Agreed. If you're looking for the closest in width to the B17, I would look 
for a shop that has a C19 you could demo. Because the Cambiums are more 
rounded on top, I've found they feel a bit narrower than their leather 
counterparts. Although the 19 doesn't come in a short-nosed version like 
the C17 the OP was asking about.

In my search for the perfect(ish) saddle, I have to say that the C17 has 
come closest so far. For the majority of riding I do (anywhere from 1–40 
miles in regular old clothes) it seems to offer the most advantages:

1. Very comfortable over shorter distances, and not too bad over longer ones
2. Fairly weatherproof
3. Doesn't stain all of my clothes like the non-select versions of leather 
Brooks I've owned
4. Much more fore/aft rail adjustability than leather Brooks (not as big a 
deal on Rivs or Surlys, but still nice)
5. Seems very well made

The two runner ups are the B17 (dye transfer just ruined too many pairs of 
shorts) and the Selle Anatomica (super comfortable, but poorly made and 
ALWAYS squeaking). I never did try a Rivet, as I have limited funds for 
experimentation.

Although, as always it's whatever works for you...

Eric



On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:36:08 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I have a C17.
> It was just OK on the Sam Hillborne but I really like it on my Bromton.
> No idea why.
>  
> Jay
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:45:24 AM UTC+3, Kellie wrote:
>
>> Anyone ride one of these? The shorter, wider version in the Cambium line.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Best way to remove lawyer lips

[ted]

I filed off the lips on my SimpleOne fork the day I picked up my frame. I 
used a hand file and it was easy and quick. I don't think a power tool is 
necessary.

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:11:43 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> My Saluki replacement fork I've been riding the past year or so can't from 
> Waterford with some aggressive lawyer lips and in my haste to get the bike 
> rolling again I missed the opportunity to get them removed before I had the 
> fans and fork coated... It wasn't a big deal because I rarely removed the 
> wheel but now that I'm using a fork mounted truck bed rack system it's 
> getting to be a pain in the neck.
>
> I'm ok with having a touched up spot on the fork dropouts but was curious 
> if anyone has done this to a Riv fork... Seems like the most cautious 
> approach would be slow and steady with a file.  A grinder of some kind 
> would of course make quick work but potentially remove more material than 
> I'm looking for.  
>
> Any best practices out there?
>
> As an aside I really miss using my original (crashed) fork which was a bit 
> slighter, less beefy looking, had a different crown and had splendidly 
> lip-less dropouts.  It starts at me mockingly from above my workbench all 
> the time reminding me to always check/tighten my rack bolts!  :)
>
> Tony
>
>

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[RBW] Fall Clean-up - Delays for the Moderated & A Few Thoughts

[WETH]

Jim,
Thank you for all your efforts.  This group is a gem, and I feel fortunate to 
be a part of it.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] What'r ye runnin' yer Compass Stampede Pass tire pressures at?

[stonehog]

One more data point. I weigh 165 and my bike (AHH) is about 31lbs with normal 
gear. I ran the tires at 40 front and 60 rear, but let them drop to 30/50 on 
occasion before topping them. I have since switched to Bon Jons (35mm), and run 
them about 35/45.  

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] My custom is finished!

[WETH]

A beautiful bike!  Enjoy it and thanks for sharing all the photos!

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[RBW] Best way to remove lawyer lips

[Tony DeFilippo]

My Saluki replacement fork I've been riding the past year or so can't from 
Waterford with some aggressive lawyer lips and in my haste to get the bike 
rolling again I missed the opportunity to get them removed before I had the 
fans and fork coated... It wasn't a big deal because I rarely removed the wheel 
but now that I'm using a fork mounted truck bed rack system it's getting to be 
a pain in the neck.

I'm ok with having a touched up spot on the fork dropouts but was curious if 
anyone has done this to a Riv fork... Seems like the most cautious approach 
would be slow and steady with a file.  A grinder of some kind would of course 
make quick work but potentially remove more material than I'm looking for.  

Any best practices out there?

As an aside I really miss using my original (crashed) fork which was a bit 
slighter, less beefy looking, had a different crown and had splendidly lip-less 
dropouts.  It starts at me mockingly from above my workbench all the time 
reminding me to always check/tighten my rack bolts!  :)

Tony

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[RBW] Creaking Cambium

[johnb]

Both of my wife's Cambium C17s creak. I have tried lubricating all the 
connecting parts, I have tried the Bike Snob fix 
- 
http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2014/03/springtime-for-fred-when-equinox-gets.html,
 
and asked at several bike shops. No one has come up with a solution.

Thought I would throw the question out here.

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[RBW] Fall Clean-up - Delays for the Moderated & A Few Thoughts

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there - 

Saw a post go through the queue this morning that said the person had been 
trying to get messages onto the board for a while.  That led me to heave 
open the doors to the root cellar of the google SPAM folder, where I found 
about a dozen requests to be unmoderated  had been living.  These extended 
back to July which kind of embarrassed the heck out of me. 

I've passed everyone through who still had a valid email address and have 
contacted everyone whose status got updated.  

If you had contacted me to change your status AND I did NOT do here's what 
may have happened. 

- I may have missed your request. My error. A lot of icky stuff lives in 
the SPAM folder and I did do a fair amount of bulk deleting. Please email 
me one more time as I'm now aware of the SPAM folder conundrum. 

- Your email address is bouncing (according to the google group bots) or 
inactive.

- You were only trying to sell equipment to the list.  I'm happy to pass 
those types of posts through (I do go through the queue at least every 48 
hours) if they are RBW-influenced gear, but as stated, this group is about 
discussing topics of interest - not being a FS/FT venue.  Please join in 
the discussion at large and I'm happy to change your status. 

Just as a reminder - this group works because folks keep it focused.  "OT" 
posts don't really belong here, so I'll tend to delete those as I find 
them.  Also - the quality of the discussion depends upon you adding to it. 
  We don't have to all agree on everything, but the tone and quality of the 
comments is much more important in a "faceless" venue than when we interact 
directly.  

Thanks to everyone who has continued to keep the high quality of this group 
intact - I look forward to many more miles together.

- Jim / RBW Owners Bunch moderator


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[RBW] Re: What's in Your Cockpit?

[Clementine59]

All of my bikes: brake levers, bell, mirror and a battery-powered 
headlight/mount. This summer, I removed all of my bike computers in tossed 
them in the trash. I haven't missed them. 

On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 8:37:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My Riv Road: Steel, leather, friction shifting ... and a bunch of 
> electronic gear. Even the headlights are electronic. 
>
> What's in *your* cockpit?
>
>
>
> –Eric N
>
>

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[RBW] Tucson S24O suggestions

[Matt Rhodes]

Hello all,

Just wondering if anyone has suggestions for Tucson-area S24Os? Mixed 
terrain rides would be welcome, provided they aren't too gnarly for a 
Cheviot shod with 50mm Big Bens. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Matt

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[RBW] WTB: Hub Area Bags

[Will Ashe]

Looking for a set of preferably tan (will consider olive) H.A.B. to fit to 
my Campee rack.

Will

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Brooks C15 Carved for C17

[Tim Bantham]

I have a C17 that I have been riding for a month or so. I am not 100% sure 
that I am happy with it.  I'm interested in trying the C15 carved if you 
are still interested in a trade. The color I have is rust. I can send you a 
photo if you would like. Let me know.  

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 6:48:46 PM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> I'm looking to trade my slightly used Brooks C15 carved for a C17.  I 
> purchased this one on eBay, tried it but its just too narrow.  Would prefer 
> black or slate.
>
> Pictures, https://flic.kr/s/aHskFAgPi7
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: If you were going to design a poor man's faux Riv "just ride" bicycle ....

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Patrick, a bit of a sidebar but why not use Shimano A530 pedals, flats on 
one side SPD on the other. Or if you want fancy, there is a XT variant. 
Such pedals are nice to have on at least one bike!

Cheers
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks all, again. After the usual feverish impulse dies down, I daresay 
> that the really sensible option is much as Garth urged, which is to ride 
> one of my present stable: not the Dahon -- tho' not bad, it's just doesn't 
> feel "easy enough" to ride; but the Matthews. The only downside is that I 
> have to wear SPD shoes or else swap out the pedals for some clip 'n' strap 
> touring pedals, which I just may do one day.
>
> But the discussion was not only interesting but brought to attention some 
> very likely possibilities at very reasonable prices.
>
> Patrick Moore, who just rode the Matthews, and remarked how easy it is to 
> ride even after a protracted layoff.
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Let's say that you've decided your stable has a niche for  "just ride" 
>> bicycle, one that *encourages* slow meandering rides, with sit up and 
>> beg position, street shoe pedals, and comfortable tires. But you can't 
>> afford a Clem, and yet want something less ponderous and ungainly than, 
>> say, a Raleigh Sports. Since this is a "spur of the moment, get on and ride 
>> for 10 to 30 minutes" kind of bike, you won't need fenders; but you might 
>> want a rack or bag for light loads -- say taking a ride to the nearby Open 
>> Space park to do some work on your laptop.
>>
>> What would you build up? For example, would you choose an old chromo road 
>> frame and 650B it, or would you choose a nice old rigid mtb (not pre-NORBA; 
>> I don't like the old ones) and shoe it with Rat Trap Passes?
>>
>> Bar? Saddle? Pedals? 
>>
>> Describe the saddle and build kit and gearing -- me, I'd be inclined to 
>> make it fixed or, at least, ss -- keep it simple = just get on and ride, in 
>> my opinion. Platforms or clips 'n' straps?
>>
>> First criterion: easy no-thought, no-prep riding; second, stability; 
>> third, comfort and efficiency -- no g-d iron tires; fourth, cheap.
>>
>> The Dahon is somewhat of this quality, but it's a bit too twitchy to be 
>> ideal for this purpose. Perhaps I should look into replacing the 35 mm 
>> Kojaks with 55 mm Big Apples ...
>>
>>
>>
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>> ***
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>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] My custom is finished!

[Santosh Iyer]

Rene,

Your bike is absolutely gorgeous, and it's good to hear that she rides like a 
dream too. Can you share your 'build kit' details with the group, if you 
haven't already?

Santosh Iyer

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 6:12 PM, René Sterental  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I finally 
> completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on its maiden 
> ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that was still 
> pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the kickstand.
> 
> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes, I 
> had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his 
> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get 
> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches, 
> both functional and aesthetic.
> 
> I had gotten all the parts after careful consideration, as well as decided to 
> try a B17 Select again based on the reviews from members of this group that 
> stated it was quite superior to the regular ones due to its special leather.
> 
> I had even decided to try to go with traditional non-aero brake levers for 
> the personality and looks, and got some original NOS Dia-Compe brakes to try. 
> If I didn't like them, I'd go back to the aero levers but this was my chance 
> to try them. Even got the Dia-Compe cages from RBW that I thought were more 
> elegant than the King cages I have on the other bikes.
> 
> I'm sure you want to see photos first, so here is the link to the first 
> photo: https://flic.kr/p/LFW4RL - scroll to the right for more.
> 
> The quality of the ride was fantastic. I believe I ended up in a slightly 
> more aggressive position, but even more comfortable than on the Atlantis. I 
> love the brake levers and their braking with the Compass Centerpull brakes. 
> Even though I can tell they are less powerful from the hoods than the aero 
> levers, the braking feel is totally fine and I like the power and modulation 
> of those brakes.
> 
> I got the special washers that Jan just released to give the brake pads 
> automatic permanent toe-in, but even so, with new brake pads and new polished 
> rims, the brakes squealed quite a bit at first. While I didn't expect the 
> intensity of the sound, what was even more astounding was the quality of the 
> sound. They sounded like the fog horn on a ship, not at all the high pitch 
> squeal I've gotten from other brakes in the past. The sound progressively 
> diminished during the ride, and towards the end I remembered to throw some 
> water on the pads which everyone says quiets them and that worked. The sound 
> is not completely gone yet, but almost. I'm going on 30 mile ride tomorrow in 
> the Coyote Creek Trail and I'm sure that with a few more water splashes 
> they'll be totally quiet and I'll miss sounding like a ship through the fog.
> 
> I went with the 40mm wide Compass Rando bars which combined with the 35mm 
> trail was perfect. I have the 42mm wide on the Atlantis (40mm trail) but I 
> think I'll try the 40mm bars on it as well. My hands were much more 
> comfortable, and I don't know yet what the exact difference is, but I'll try 
> to assess it.
> 
> I was planning on going with the brown tall Acorn Rando bag, and had gotten 
> the matching Rando and medium saddle bag, but last week I "felt" I had to 
> consider the Berthoud Rando bag as well, as it seemed it would match the bike 
> much better. Theo at Compass has always been so nice to me, that I ordered 
> the bag from them (Jan has also customized them) and it was love at fit 
> sight! (Pun intended). I was really impressed by the Berthoud bag, and 
> needless to say, it seems it was meant for my custom. So I had to decide what 
> to do with the Acorn bags and after a family demo and show, the overall 
> consensus was that I needed to put the brown one on the Atlantis as it was 
> better than the green one. My son and I had a harder time deciding, but for 
> my wife it was a no-brainier and anything that gets her "involved" in my 
> bikes is good!
> 
> I've offered the bags to a friend who just got a Soma Randonneur, but if he 
> doesn't want them, I'll post them from sale here. Needless to say, they in 
> like-new condition with imperceptible wear. I've had them for a while, but 
> just put them on the Atlantis a couple of months ago.
> 
> So needless to say, I'm incredibly excited and satisfied with the outcome. As 
> I ride it more and continue to lose weight and get fitter, I'm sure there 
> will be minor tweaks here and there, but for the first time, I truly have 
> everything I've wanted in a single bike. What will that mean moving forward 
> for the rest of my stable? We'll see... No matter what, I'm sure I'll always 
> have at least one Rivendell bike next to it. 
> 
> René 
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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A beautiful and well considered bicycle.  I am at a stage of considering a 
custom build along similar lines and your bike may serve as inspiration. 
 Tim.

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 8:12:55 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> After patiently waiting for a month for the paint to cure/harden, I 
> finally completed the build on Friday night, so I could take the bike on 
> its maiden ride on Saturday morning with my friends. The only thing that 
> was still pending, which I did today, was to tape, twine and shellac the 
> kickstand.
>
> I have to say the on its first ride, the bike beat my expectations. Yes, I 
> had gone over how I wanted it to fit and Steve Rex had taken all his 
> measurements and come up with a custom geometry that I then tweaked to get 
> the low trail amount I wanted, and I had requested all the custom touches, 
> both functional and aesthetic.
>
> I had gotten all the parts after careful consideration, as well as decided 
> to try a B17 Select again based on the reviews from members of this group 
> that stated it was quite superior to the regular ones due to its special 
> leather.
>
> I had even decided to try to go with traditional non-aero brake levers for 
> the personality and looks, and got some original NOS Dia-Compe brakes to 
> try. If I didn't like them, I'd go back to the aero levers but this was my 
> chance to try them. Even got the Dia-Compe cages from RBW that I thought 
> were more elegant than the King cages I have on the other bikes.
>
> I'm sure you want to see photos first, so here is the link to the first 
> photo: https://flic.kr/p/LFW4RL - scroll to the right for more.
>
> The quality of the ride was fantastic. I believe I ended up in a slightly 
> more aggressive position, but even more comfortable than on the Atlantis. I 
> love the brake levers and their braking with the Compass Centerpull brakes. 
> Even though I can tell they are less powerful from the hoods than the aero 
> levers, the braking feel is totally fine and I like the power and 
> modulation of those brakes.
>
> I got the special washers that Jan just released to give the brake pads 
> automatic permanent toe-in, but even so, with new brake pads and new 
> polished rims, the brakes squealed quite a bit at first. While I didn't 
> expect the intensity of the sound, what was even more astounding was the 
> quality of the sound. They sounded like the fog horn on a ship, not at all 
> the high pitch squeal I've gotten from other brakes in the past. The sound 
> progressively diminished during the ride, and towards the end I remembered 
> to throw some water on the pads which everyone says quiets them and that 
> worked. The sound is not completely gone yet, but almost. I'm going on 30 
> mile ride tomorrow in the Coyote Creek Trail and I'm sure that with a few 
> more water splashes they'll be totally quiet and I'll miss sounding like a 
> ship through the fog.
>
> I went with the 40mm wide Compass Rando bars which combined with the 35mm 
> trail was perfect. I have the 42mm wide on the Atlantis (40mm trail) but I 
> think I'll try the 40mm bars on it as well. My hands were much more 
> comfortable, and I don't know yet what the exact difference is, but I'll 
> try to assess it.
>
> I was planning on going with the brown tall Acorn Rando bag, and had 
> gotten the matching Rando and medium saddle bag, but last week I "felt" I 
> had to consider the Berthoud Rando bag as well, as it seemed it would match 
> the bike much better. Theo at Compass has always been so nice to me, that I 
> ordered the bag from them (Jan has also customized them) and it was love at 
> fit sight! (Pun intended). I was really impressed by the Berthoud bag, and 
> needless to say, it seems it was meant for my custom. So I had to decide 
> what to do with the Acorn bags and after a family demo and show, the 
> overall consensus was that I needed to put the brown one on the Atlantis as 
> it was better than the green one. My son and I had a harder time deciding, 
> but for my wife it was a no-brainier and anything that gets her "involved" 
> in my bikes is good!
>
> I've offered the bags to a friend who just got a Soma Randonneur, but if 
> he doesn't want them, I'll post them from sale here. Needless to say, they 
> in like-new condition with imperceptible wear. I've had them for a while, 
> but just put them on the Atlantis a couple of months ago.
>
> So needless to say, I'm incredibly excited and satisfied with the outcome. 
> As I ride it more and continue to lose weight and get fitter, I'm sure 
> there will be minor tweaks here and there, but for the first time, I truly 
> have everything I've wanted in a single bike. What will that mean moving 
> forward for the rest of my stable? We'll see... No matter what, I'm sure 
> I'll always have at least one Rivendell bike next to it. 
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> Stunning bike! :)
>

Clayton (Bend)
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB problem solvers shiifter boss cover

[Wally Estrella]

Conway,

I found what the problem solvers.  Unfortunately these are the brake boss 
covers, not the shifter boss cover.  Sorry.

Thanks,
Wally

On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 12:28:59 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
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> Thanks!
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
>
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Wally Estrella  > wrote:
>
> Conway,
>
> I think I have a set or two.  I was cleaning out my parts bins last night 
> looking for something else and came across what appeared to be a pair mixed 
> in w/ some other hardware. 
>
> Let me check again tonight when I get home.
>
>
> CHEERS!
> Wally
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 11:02:58 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> I'm doing a 1x10 all road setup on my NOS '93 XO-2 and just need 1 
>> problem solvers shifter boss cover.  Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[LeahFoy]

Eye candy! Can't wait to hear about the miles you'll log together. We'll stay 
tuned to hear about your 30 mile ride! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My custom is finished!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Gorgeous, is been fun to watch the process and I'm impressed by the finished 
product.  Keep up the ride reports!

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[RBW] FS: Hub area racks & bags (tan)

[Ed Felker]

Jay, do you have photos? Interested. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: CHEVIOT

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There are several ways to do it, but yes, the top tube paint would need to 
be touched up. Since this is the RBW forum, and the bike in question is a 
lovely Rivendell, I withdraw my suggestion to remove the braze-on! (But if 
someone were really interested, they might contact Patrick "Pass the 
dremel" Moore off line. Me, I would use a hack saw and a file to be safer. 
But as mentioned would see how things line up bypassing the braze-on before 
resorting to this. It could also affect the no warranty warranty, I 
imagine, so only for the committed and brave.)

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:26:14 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
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> How would you remove the braze-on without damaging the top tube?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Cambrium C19

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I have a C17.
It was just OK on the Sam Hillborne but I really like it on my Bromton.
No idea why.
 
Jay

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:45:24 AM UTC+3, Kellie wrote:

> Anyone ride one of these? The shorter, wider version in the Cambium line.
>
>
> 
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