[RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Lungimsam]

When are you planning your trip?

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[RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Scott McLain]

Hi Kellie,
I don't know if you intended to start in Cumberland MD, but if so you could 
see if the guys at Gravel and Grind would pick it up for you.  You could 
also bike flight it to them.

When I have done biking trips in the past, I would have one bike shop send 
my bike to another so that they could get better rates.  No longer 
necessary with bike flights.

Scott

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-6, Kellie wrote:
>
> Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east 
> coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 
>

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Re: [RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Joe Broach]

I've shipped with Amtrak. It's pretty slick. Things to note:

They'll charge you for the special giant box if they don't happen to ha e a
used one around. $15 I think?

They won't let you put anything else in the empty space. I'd thought I
could stash my empty panniers in the void. Nope.

It was great to be able to ride to the station on the bike I was shipping.

Best,
joe
pdx or

Caveat lector. Sent from a phone.

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> Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east
> coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative.
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Re: [RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Eric Norris]

They’ll hold the bike for three days for free. After that, they charge $3 a day 
to store it. I didn’t ask how long they would keep it.

--Eric N
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Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Kellie  wrote:
> 
> I've used BikeFlights and it's very reasonable. I just shipped my Cheviot to 
> PA for $72. One of my main needs is I do not have a person to send it to, so 
> I'm wondering how long Amtrak would hold your bike for you? Did it take 3 
> days for everyone (I'm in SF)? I'd need to coordinate my flight with the bike 
> reaching DC. Trying to plan riding the C&O.
> 
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 4:45:33 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
> Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east 
> coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 
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[RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Ray Varella]

Kellie,
   I would call them and ask. My guess is if they knew there was a hold 
placed on your package and you would be there at a specified date it should be 
fine. 
I always get the names of people I speak with and write down the highlights of 
our conversation so as to avoid any potential issues. 

Ray
Vallejo
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Chad]

I bought a Lazer Blade last year and love it.  Not sure about safety, but 
it has great reviews and is pretty affordable.

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/category/helmets-and-protection/helmet-standard/product/review-lazer-blade-15-49712/

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:

> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Kellie]

I've used BikeFlights and it's very reasonable. I just shipped my Cheviot 
to PA for $72. One of my main needs is I do not have a person to send it 
to, so I'm wondering how long Amtrak would hold your bike for you? Did it 
take 3 days for everyone (I'm in SF)? I'd need to coordinate my flight with 
the bike reaching DC. Trying to plan riding the C&O.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 4:45:33 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
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> Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east 
> coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW listers in eastern Kansas

[Chad]

We should get together!  I'm in Fairway just across the state line.  I'm in 
Brookside all the time and like to ride the Trolley Trail.

On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 10:02:22 PM UTC-5, KevinS wrote:
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> I'm a Riv rider in KC too. I'm in the Brookside area. Let me know if 
> there's a KC gathering! 
>
> Kevin

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[RBW] Re: FS: CLEMENTINE complete 52 cm $1100

[Chad]

Pics are not showing for me.  Sounds like a great deal!

On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 10:41:10 AM UTC-5, Ado Lucas wrote:
> Selling my Clementine, bought this for my wife but she’s having problems with 
> her knee and cannot ride.
> 
> This is the first complete batch and have been in the garage mostly.
> 
> Bike is almost new, been ridden less than 50 miles. Little scratches on the 
> seatpost.
> 
> Will sell for $1100 with Mike’s Nitto rack
> Upgrade with Silver shifter with Paul thumbies.
> 
> 
> Walt basket, handler bar grips and bottle cage no included.
> Preferably local pick-up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Would like to keep it but I have a Rodeo and Homer already.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ado Lucas
> 
> San Jose, CA

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Philip Williamson]

I'd call a 2.5mm difference in BB height functionally the same. Would you tell 
someone they shouldn't run 172.5mm cranks on a Rivendell? 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Bill in Roswell GA]

"The winner is the one who becomes more fully human."

Well said, Michael. Sounds like a Dalai Lama quote. And one I fully agree 
with. 

Broccoli, congrats on making the transition. Mine came when my computer 
broke. Then I realized after a few days that it wasn't the end of the 
world, but I rediscovered the world I knew as a kid - riding for fun and 
transportation, stopping to explore interesting things and enjoying flying 
through the breeze!

Cheers
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Don't worry your still in the race - the human race.  The winner is the 
> one who becomes more  fully human.  Nice bike, but very big!
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
>> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
>> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
>> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
>> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
>> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
>> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
>> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
>> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
>> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
>> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
>> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
>> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
>> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
>> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
>> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
>> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
>> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
>> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
>> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
>> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
>> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
>> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
>> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
>> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
>> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
>> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
>> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
>> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
>> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
>> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Lungimsam]

Right,
Bb drop and bb height are two different things. I am talking about bb height as 
I measured from floor to bottom of bb shell, though it is traditionally 
measured from floor to bb center

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[RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Ray Varella]

Not shipping but I traveled with a bike on Amtrak. I would not hesitate to use 
them for shipping. I wasn't aware they offered such a service. 
I have shipped quite a few very large packages using Greyhound busses. 
Body panels for vintage cars and trucks as well as numerous other somewhat less 
rare parts. 
I've always had them handle packages very well. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Broccoli Cog]

Yes! Simplifying. That is exactly my goal. 

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-4, Tim Tetrault wrote:
>
> I feel the same way about my Sam. Congrats on simplifying. 
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
>> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
>> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
>> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
>> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
>> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
>> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
>> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
>> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
>> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
>> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
>> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
>> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
>> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
>> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
>> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
>> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
>> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
>> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
>> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
>> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
>> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
>> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
>> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
>> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
>> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
>> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
>> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
>> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
>> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
>> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Broccoli Cog]

Thank you! My Sam is a 62 and the crank arm length is 175mm. Love the 
Silvers, especially the triple!

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 10:05:12 AM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>
> Judging from your chain's position you were going pretty fast before this 
> lovely photo was taken. Sam and you can do anything, fast or slow, rough or 
> smooth. Enjoy. I just begrudgingly sold off my Sam even though it sat 
> perfectly in the middle of my Clem and Quickbeam (usagewise, it didn't sit 
> well in between them spacewise, which was the issue) that's a 62? What 
> length Silver cranks are those? I like the no cut out big ring. Happy 
> Rolling!
> -Kai 
> Brooklyn NY  

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Broccoli Cog]

Thank You! It's a 62 cm

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Don't worry your still in the race - the human race.  The winner is the 
> one who becomes more  fully human.  Nice bike, but very big!
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
>> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
>> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
>> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
>> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
>> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
>> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
>> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
>> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
>> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
>> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
>> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
>> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
>> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
>> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
>> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
>> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
>> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
>> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
>> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
>> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
>> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
>> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
>> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
>> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
>> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
>> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
>> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
>> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
>> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
>> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Broccoli Cog]

I had a feeling their are many others like me! Thanks for the feedback

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:46:57 PM UTC-4, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Great story! Sounds familiar.  Great bike!
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> Scott
>
>

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[RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Pondero]

I did it last year, from Fort Worth to DC, for my C&O tour.  I'm planning to do 
it again this year, pretty soon, for my GAP tour.  It was especially easy for 
me to have my daughter able to receive it at the other end.  I think Bike 
Flights would be less expensive, but much more disassembly/assembly is required.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas



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Re: [RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Eric Norris]

I recently sold a bike and shipped it via Amtrak to New York. Shipping, 
including insurance, was about $80. I used their box (bigger than the box you 
would use for BikeFlights) and a bunch of pipe insulation to cushion the bike, 
and it arrived safe and sound at the Amtrak station in Syracuse in about three 
days.

The biggest advantage to using Amtrak is that you can use their box, which 
requires only that you remove the pedals and turn the handlebars. The seat can 
stay in place (except, I suppose, on a very tall frame).

Shipping the same size box via BikeFlights, FedEx, or UPS would cost around 
$600 (I checked).

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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Kellie  wrote:
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> Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east 
> coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 
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RE: [RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Joe Bartoe]

Hi Kellie,

I've done it once and it's prett easy. If you have questions fire away or feel 
free to call (949-374-6079).

Joe

Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:45:33 -0700
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east coast. 
Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 




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[RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Kellie]

Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east 
coast. Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: handle bars and tires and stuff

[Eric Daume]

Hi Conway,

I mailed out the Albastache bar this morning via USPS. The tracking number
is:


9114901496450434381325

Thanks,

Eric

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> Eric,
>
> I'd take both nitto handlebars.  Please and thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Richard Rios]

Here's my 02 and this is based off an 85ish pbh and purchasing a cross check. 
56 for modern sporty bars below saddle, 58 for levelish bars. I'd even consider 
a 60 If you want them way up there Riv style. Also depends on how you feel 
about spacer stack. Surlys come with uncut steerer  tube so if you don't mind 
spacers and  upsloping stem you can ride a smaller frame no prob and still get 
the bars at a reasonable height.  Lots of variables though just depends on what 
you are looking for and aesthetic preferences...In the end either should work 
fine with no worries or regrets.

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Surlyprof]

>From one happy Hillborne owner to another, welcome.  I, too, sold my road 
and mountain bikes to buy my Sam.  Been happily unracing wherever it takes 
me.

Enjoy!
John

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Surlyprof]

>From one happy Hillborne owner to another, welcome.  I, too, sold my road 
and mountain bikes to buy my Sam.  Been happily unracing wherever it takes 
me.

John

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[alan lavine]

Just to be clear, y'all are talking about BB height.  BB drop is how far 
below a line connecting the 2 hubs the center of the BB is (syntax?)  This 
doesn't change with different tires.

Having said that, is there no interest at all in buying my Ram ?!?  Have to 
make room for my new Yuba Mundo grandkids limousine !

Thanks, Alan

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 2:52:17 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I think the blue and subsequent had more clearance than the original 
> orange and cream ones.  In any event, even switching to 42mm Hetres will 
> result in additional bottom bracket drop, because the Rambouillet was 
> originally designed with 28mm tires in mind, and 650Bx42 are ~ 5 mm 
> smaller in diameter. 
>
>
> On 09/21/2016 02:38 PM, Lungimsam wrote: 
> > ttoshi from the forum has a 52 blue that takes a hetre with fenders. 
> I'll have to see if mine will one day. 
> > 
>
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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Also looking at the Bob Jackson Audax end-to-end. Same question but in 
inches. What size?

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:50:03 PM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Anybody know what size Pacer would fit me with a PBH of 85.5?
> I was thinking 58 but their size chart looks more like a 56.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jay
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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Steve Palincsar]

I think the blue and subsequent had more clearance than the original 
orange and cream ones.  In any event, even switching to 42mm Hetres will 
result in additional bottom bracket drop, because the Rambouillet was 
originally designed with 28mm tires in mind, and 650Bx42 are ~ 5 mm 
smaller in diameter.



On 09/21/2016 02:38 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

ttoshi from the forum has a 52 blue that takes a hetre with fenders. I'll have 
to see if mine will one day.



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[RBW] Surly Pacer sizing

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Anybody know what size Pacer would fit me with a PBH of 85.5?
I was thinking 58 but their size chart looks more like a 56.

Thanks.

Jay

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Lungimsam]

I think itsa 54cm frame

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Lungimsam]

Here is ttoshi's:
https://flic.kr/p/dsz6t7

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Lungimsam]

ttoshi from the forum has a 52 blue that takes a hetre with fenders. I'll have 
to see if mine will one day.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow the new grey Cheviots are gorgeous!!!

[Ryan Fleming]

Thanks. Clayton ..that's  an excellent  tip. I was a little dismayed that 
I've been getting flats with my McClure Passes, but I have noticed that the 
tread does pick up small stones and therefore glassetc and I think 
that's the culprit given that there's no "armour" unlike the Pasela 
Tourguards I replaced.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 11:03:12 AM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> one more thing to add for city riding. The tread is thick enough to resist 
> minor glass shards from puncturing immediately, but they tend to embed 
> themselves in the tires and eventually puncture the tube if left 
> unattended. Picking over the tires and dislodging glass and other debris is 
> something that I started doing once or twice a week. Seems to reduce 
> punctures.
>
> Best,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 2:56:41 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Clayton.  That information is quite helpful.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
>>
>>> Only been riding that particular compass tire since last week. So far 
>>> they are great! Roll well amd grip well. Used them on paved amd fire roads.
>>> Have had compass tires in other sizes and am a fan. Used to go with the 
>>> EL versions, but had one ride stopping sidewall cut once. Not really a 
>>> valid sample size, but it made me switch to standard casing this go around. 
>>> Tires are easy to mount. Wish they were all black.
>>> On my 60cm cheviot they are an excellent fit with plenty of breathing 
>>> room with fenders. They measure 41mm on my dt tk540 rims with tunes but 
>>> will likely stretch a little more.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Clayton Scott
>>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Ryan Fleming]

Good story , good looking bike which looks well-used and loved and 
intriguing handle , broccoli cog!

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 5:28:15 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[John Stowe]

Since I don't see it mentioned above: I have been happy with my Giro Sutton 
MIPS. Fits my large/long head (61cm) just fine, doesn't look like a 
spaceship, soft visor, pretty light, good coverage in the back and a 
complete hard shell means no exposed foam when hanging from a bag and 
bumping into walls/train seats/etc. I managed to snag one off of Sierra 
Trading Post at the end of last year for cheap, less than half price. I 
don't know how much the MIPS accomplishes, but like others said: it might 
help, certainly won't hurt, and doesn't cost much, so why not.

I also have a Giro Atmos hanging in the shed, rarely used unless I know I'm 
going on a long hot ride and want the ventilation. It's a crash replacement 
for a previous Atmos I was wearing when I got knocked down by a U-turning 
taxi (DC riders: yes, I was in the Penn Ave. bike lane). I didn't hit my 
head very hard, but enough to dent the foam and separate the shell. Riv 
content: the insurance payout funded my Sam! So I guess getting hit turned 
out to be good for my cycling life, in the end...

-John


On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:06:41 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[masmojo]

Although I am a short term Rivendell owner,  I had an XO-1 for many years and 
have ridden other "Rivish" bikes for some time. I cut my serious cycling teeth 
riding light weight Cruisers or Klunkers. I was racing mountain bikes for 
several years when I was riding the local bike path when a group of roadies 
passed me, I was not going  fast, but  that whole competitive thing kicked in 
and before long I had caught them up, passed them and proceeded to just check 
out! Felt good, but it took a lot of energy and I was done riding sooner than I 
planned. That got me to thinking.  The performance of my mountain bike was just 
close enough to that of the road bikes of the time, that I could do that and as 
long as I could do it I would! I thought "if I was riding my Clunker I would 
not feel compelled to run with those people",  because I realistically couldn't!
That is basically what I did & I've been unracing for 20+ years now!

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[RBW] Re: Thank you and "Enjoy the Ride!"

[masmojo]

Leaf, sounds like you just didn't have the right Riv.! The Hilsen is a great 
bike, but based on you other bikes probably not the best match to your riding. 
A Hunqapillar, Joe Appaloosa or even an Atlantis would probably suit you 
better. I have a Cross Check & it is a great bike, but it's not a Rivendell! 

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Tim Tetrault]

I feel the same way about my Sam. Congrats on simplifying. 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow the new grey Cheviots are gorgeous!!!

[Clayton.sf]

one more thing to add for city riding. The tread is thick enough to resist 
minor glass shards from puncturing immediately, but they tend to embed 
themselves in the tires and eventually puncture the tube if left 
unattended. Picking over the tires and dislodging glass and other debris is 
something that I started doing once or twice a week. Seems to reduce 
punctures.

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 2:56:41 AM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Thanks, Clayton.  That information is quite helpful.
>
> Sean
>
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Clayton.sf  > wrote:
>
>> Only been riding that particular compass tire since last week. So far 
>> they are great! Roll well amd grip well. Used them on paved amd fire roads.
>> Have had compass tires in other sizes and am a fan. Used to go with the 
>> EL versions, but had one ride stopping sidewall cut once. Not really a 
>> valid sample size, but it made me switch to standard casing this go around. 
>> Tires are easy to mount. Wish they were all black.
>> On my 60cm cheviot they are an excellent fit with plenty of breathing 
>> room with fenders. They measure 41mm on my dt tk540 rims with tunes but 
>> will likely stretch a little more.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Clayton Scott
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[allenmichael]

I have a 58 persimmon (orange)/white rambouillet with 650b, 42 red Hetres 
that fit well. I haven't tried a fender yet.

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 6:32:46 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Orange/white 
>
> > On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> > 
> > On 09/21/2016 09:10 AM, Alan Lavine wrote: 
> >> A 42 x 650b definitely fits a Ram frame, at least on mine it does.  I 
> can measure the BB height if it helps. 
> > 
> > What color is yours? 
> > 
> > 
> >> Alan 
> >>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 09/21/2016 08:54 AM, Lungimsam wrote: 
>  I measured my bb height on my Rambouillet with 700x28c tires. I will 
> compare it if I try 650b to tune in the closet tire equivalent I can fit, 
> then see if I can keep the same bb height at 650b. 
>  
> >>> This is very unlikely.  A 42mm 650B wheel + tire has about the same 
> outside diameter as a 700Cx23 wheel + tire, and it's even questionable as 
> to whether a 42mm 650B will fit a Rambouillet frame. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [RBW] Silver DT shifters on Simplex band braze ons?

[Eric Norris]

As far as I know, downtube shifter mounts are all the same. I have Simplex 
shifters on my Riv Road, so my guess if they fit on a standard mount then 
Silvers will fit on a Simplex mount.

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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Call Me Jay  wrote:
> 
> Is this possible?  I'd really like to upgrade to the Silvers from the not so 
> smooth Prestige shifters on my PX50.  
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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Philip Kim]

Nice! Welcome!

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Becoming an "Unracer"

[Kai Vierstra]

Judging from your chain's position you were going pretty fast before this 
lovely photo was taken. Sam and you can do anything, fast or slow, rough or 
smooth. Enjoy. I just begrudgingly sold off my Sam even though it sat perfectly 
in the middle of my Clem and Quickbeam (usagewise, it didn't sit well in 
between them spacewise, which was the issue) that's a 62? What length Silver 
cranks are those? I like the no cut out big ring. Happy Rolling!
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Patrick Moore]

Welcome and enjoy your new bicycle. After some 8 years of trying, I now can
ride without making every ride a time trial, and, while I still enjoy a
good road bike more than any other kind of bike, and while I still like to
push myself, at least I now take the time to warm up first, and hold
exertion to a pleasant level.

Continue to post photos!

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Alan Lavine]

Orange/white

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> On 09/21/2016 09:10 AM, Alan Lavine wrote:
>> A 42 x 650b definitely fits a Ram frame, at least on mine it does.  I can 
>> measure the BB height if it helps.
> 
> What color is yours?
> 
> 
>> Alan
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 09/21/2016 08:54 AM, Lungimsam wrote:
 I measured my bb height on my Rambouillet with 700x28c tires. I will 
 compare it if I try 650b to tune in the closet tire equivalent I can fit, 
 then see if I can keep the same bb height at 650b.
 
>>> This is very unlikely.  A 42mm 650B wheel + tire has about the same outside 
>>> diameter as a 700Cx23 wheel + tire, and it's even questionable as to 
>>> whether a 42mm 650B will fit a Rambouillet frame.
>>> 
>>> 
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[RBW] Silver DT shifters on Simplex band braze ons?

[Call Me Jay]

Is this possible?  I'd really like to upgrade to the Silvers from the not so 
smooth Prestige shifters on my PX50.  

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/21/2016 09:10 AM, Alan Lavine wrote:

A 42 x 650b definitely fits a Ram frame, at least on mine it does.  I can 
measure the BB height if it helps.


What color is yours?



Alan

On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:


On 09/21/2016 08:54 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

I measured my bb height on my Rambouillet with 700x28c tires. I will compare it 
if I try 650b to tune in the closet tire equivalent I can fit, then see if I 
can keep the same bb height at 650b.


This is very unlikely.  A 42mm 650B wheel + tire has about the same outside 
diameter as a 700Cx23 wheel + tire, and it's even questionable as to whether a 
42mm 650B will fit a Rambouillet frame.




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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Alan Lavine]

A 42 x 650b definitely fits a Ram frame, at least on mine it does.  I can 
measure the BB height if it helps.
Alan
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 09/21/2016 08:54 AM, Lungimsam wrote:
>> I measured my bb height on my Rambouillet with 700x28c tires. I will compare 
>> it if I try 650b to tune in the closet tire equivalent I can fit, then see 
>> if I can keep the same bb height at 650b.
>> 
> 
> This is very unlikely.  A 42mm 650B wheel + tire has about the same outside 
> diameter as a 700Cx23 wheel + tire, and it's even questionable as to whether 
> a 42mm 650B will fit a Rambouillet frame.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Skeletons in my Closet (Compass, Pauls, Brooks, Nitto, Schmidt, Carradice, Fairweather, Randi Jo, Road Runner bags, MAP/Ahearne, Microshift)

[Philip Kim]

Jay just updated the list with description of Paul levers, thanks.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 4:28:44 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I would appreciate some more details about the Paul levers?
> Color, length, model.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 10:07:15 PM UTC+3, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>>
>> Going on a trip to Wyoming shortly, and have some stuff that haven’t seen 
>> much use and trying to pack lighter on my biking trips, shipping CONUS via 
>> USPS:
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Compass Rat Trap Pass Extra Light version, black (pair). ran them 40 
>> miles tubeless - $125 shipped
>>
>>
>> MAP / Ahearne Bars 610mm - $37 + shipping (should run about $8-12 dollars 
>> shipping)
>>
>>
>> Paul Long Pull Brake levers (v-brake compatible) - $70 shipped
>>
>>
>> Microshift 10 speed MTB thumb shifters, compatible with Shimano Dynasys 
>> Rear derailleurs - $40 shipped
>>
>>
>> Brooks Ergon Grips, brown leather - $60 shipped
>>
>>
>> Nitto 25.4 short quill stem - $25 shipped
>>
>>
>> Smart Sam Folding Bead Tubeless Compatible 26x2.15 - $45 shipped
>>
>>
>> Schmidt SON Seat Post Tail Light (dynamo powered), new. Decided to do 
>> Compass Tail Light while getting frame modified after I got this light - 
>> $65 shipped
>>
>>
>> Carradice Camper Long Flap saddle bag, used once commuting loads of space 
>> - $120 shipped
>>
>>
>> Fairweather Half Frame Bag, XPAC Black - $55 shipped
>>
>>
>> Road Runner Front Runner bag, attaches to mini front rack and handlebars, 
>> XPAC black. Used a few times, I won’t be sorry if this doesn’t sell - $110 
>> shipped
>>
>>
>> Randi Jo Bartender Bag, Black Corduroy, used once. Got two of these, but 
>> one is good for me - $30 shipped
>>
>>
>>
>> If you buy multiple things and I can cut down on shipping, I can 
>> certainly pass the savings down to you.
>>
>>
>> I'll try to get a link up with pictures when I get home, but might be 
>> working on my Pelican instead (off days are hard to come by these days). 
>> Shoot me a PM and I'll just email you pics from my phone. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Skeletons in my Closet (Compass, Pauls, Brooks, Nitto, Schmidt, Carradice, Fairweather, Randi Jo, Road Runner bags, MAP/Ahearne, Microshift)

[Philip Kim]

updated what has sold, as well as better description of some items.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:07:15 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
> Going on a trip to Wyoming shortly, and have some stuff that haven’t seen 
> much use and trying to pack lighter on my biking trips, shipping CONUS via 
> USPS:
>
>
>
>  
>
> *(SOLD) * Compass Rat Trap Pass Extra Light version, black (pair). ran 
> them 40 miles tubeless - $125 shipped 
>

> *(SOLD)  *MAP / Ahearne Bars 610mm - $37 + shipping (should run about 
> $8-12 dollars shipping)
>
>
> Paul Long Pull Brake levers, silver anondized "2.5" version, which is 
> longer lever than the compact (v-brake compatible). These will not work 
> with cantis, road calipers, or road discs. For V brakes, and other long 
> pull brakes like mountain disc brakes, etc. - $70 shipped
>
>
> *(SOLD)  *Microshift 10 speed MTB thumb shifters, compatible with Shimano 
> Dynasys Rear derailleurs - $40 shipped
>
>
> Brooks Ergon Grips, brown leather, 40 miles - $60 shipped
>
>
> Nitto 25.4 short height quill stem, 70mm reach, 75mm from minimum 
> insertion line. It is this one 
>  
>  - $25 shipped
>
>
> Smart Sam Folding Bead, tubeless compatible. I've set it up tubeless, on 
> Atlas rims with stans tape and it worked well for me.  26x2.15 - $45 shipped
>
>
> Schmidt SON Seat Post Tail Light (dynamo powered), silver with red light 
> display, new. Decided to do Compass Tail Light while getting frame modified 
> after I got this light - $65 shipped
>
>
> *(SOLD)  *Carradice Camper Long Flap saddle bag, olive, used once 
> commuting loads of space - $120 shipped
>
>
> *(Pending payment) *Fairweather Half Frame Bag, XPAC Black - $55 shipped
>
>
> Road Runner Front Runner bag 
> , attaches to 
> mini front rack and handlebars, XPAC black. Bungeed top, with a flap over. 
> Used a few times, I won’t be sorry if this doesn’t sell - $110 shipped
>
>
> *(SOLD) *Randi Jo Bartender Bag, Black Corduroy, used once. Got two of 
> these, but one is good for me - $30 shipped
>
>
>
> If you buy multiple things and I can cut down on shipping, I can certainly 
> pass the savings down to you.
>
>
> I'll try to get a link up with pictures when I get home, but might be 
> working on my Pelican instead (off days are hard to come by these days). 
> Shoot me a PM and I'll just email you pics from my phone. 
>

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/21/2016 08:54 AM, Lungimsam wrote:

I measured my bb height on my Rambouillet with 700x28c tires. I will compare it 
if I try 650b to tune in the closet tire equivalent I can fit, then see if I 
can keep the same bb height at 650b.



This is very unlikely.  A 42mm 650B wheel + tire has about the same 
outside diameter as a 700Cx23 wheel + tire, and it's even questionable 
as to whether a 42mm 650B will fit a Rambouillet frame.


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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Lungimsam]

I measured my bb height on my Rambouillet with 700x28c tires. I will compare it 
if I try 650b to tune in the closet tire equivalent I can fit, then see if I 
can keep the same bb height at 650b.

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Ron Mc]

good job, the 12-step program...;)

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[RBW] Re: Which saddle for the Riv tandem?

[Julian]

On our Bilenky (drop bar 650B touring setup) we have a B17 for the captain 
and a Flyer S (ladies model) for the stoker. If you stick with the stock 
non-sprung seatpost a sprung saddle for the stoker is a very good idea, as 
the stoker will not see (and the captain will miss calling out) all of the 
bumps, and so will not be able to unweight as readily as a single bike 
rider. 

I think on our HHH we might go with a Flyer/Flyer S combination. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 12:14:15 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> I'm thinking maybe the B67? I ride a B17 on all my bikes, she rides one on 
> her Sam. But I don't find the B17 nearly as comfortable when "cruising", 
> such as when we ride together (separate bikes), and I tend to coast a lot. 
> So, I'm thinking since the tandem is a cruiser, the B67 should be the 
> ticket? Any thoughts? 

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Call Me Jay]

Great story that, like others, follows a path similar to my own (add a bunch of 
injuries to my story). That said, my nine year old started racing cyclocross 
this year.  While I know my competitive days are behind me, it has been a blast 
to go around the race course with my kids and has fueled a lust for a Legolas.

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Michael Hechmer]

Don't worry your still in the race - the human race.  The winner is the one 
who becomes more  fully human.  Nice bike, but very big!

Michael


On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[alan lavine]

Price bump: $1650-

Alan

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 6:13:48 AM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> Hi Calvin,
> I have to admit I never pay attention to BB drop, as I don't pedal through 
> turns. Never had a pedal strike.
> Best,
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Calvin Rocchio  
> wrote:
>
> How has the BB drop been on this? Have pedal strikes been an issue? 
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:38:40 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Also,if you think the price is not right, let me know and we'll talk.
>>
>> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, forgot that!  Compass Babyshoe Pass 650x42. 
>>> Alan 
>>> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Daniel Jackson  
>>> wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > What tires are on there now? 
>>> > 
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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[ascpgh]

Great looking bike, a welcome friend and vehicle for your recovery. 

We'll be tuned in for updates.

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Miscellaneous old stuff for sale, not by me

[Patrick Moore]

To all who responded: It looks as if I may not get back to Stevie's until
early next week, though late this week is still possible. I won't go back
until Steve builds my new wheel, for which he has to order spokes.

But the goodies in the case have been there for months if not years, so I
expect they will still be there when I go, and I will inventory and report.

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Alan LaVine]

Hi Calvin,
I have to admit I never pay attention to BB drop, as I don't pedal through 
turns. Never had a pedal strike.
Best,
Alan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Calvin Rocchio  wrote:
> 
> How has the BB drop been on this? Have pedal strikes been an issue? 
> 
>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:38:40 AM UTC-7, alan lavine wrote:
>> Also,if you think the price is not right, let me know and we'll talk.
>> 
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 9:13:47 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>> Sorry, forgot that!  Compass Babyshoe Pass 650x42. 
>>> Alan 
>>> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Daniel Jackson  
>>> > wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > What tires are on there now? 
>>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow the new grey Cheviots are gorgeous!!!

[Sean McAtee]

Thanks, Clayton.  That information is quite helpful.

Sean

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Clayton.sf  wrote:

> Only been riding that particular compass tire since last week. So far they
> are great! Roll well amd grip well. Used them on paved amd fire roads.
> Have had compass tires in other sizes and am a fan. Used to go with the EL
> versions, but had one ride stopping sidewall cut once. Not really a valid
> sample size, but it made me switch to standard casing this go around. Tires
> are easy to mount. Wish they were all black.
> On my 60cm cheviot they are an excellent fit with plenty of breathing room
> with fenders. They measure 41mm on my dt tk540 rims with tunes but will
> likely stretch a little more.
> Hope this helps,
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: Skeletons in my Closet (Compass, Pauls, Brooks, Nitto, Schmidt, Carradice, Fairweather, Randi Jo, Road Runner bags, MAP/Ahearne, Microshift)

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I would appreciate some more details about the Paul levers?
Color, length, model.

Thanks,
Jay

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 10:07:15 PM UTC+3, Philip Kim wrote:

>
> Going on a trip to Wyoming shortly, and have some stuff that haven’t seen 
> much use and trying to pack lighter on my biking trips, shipping CONUS via 
> USPS:
>
>
>
>  
>
> Compass Rat Trap Pass Extra Light version, black (pair). ran them 40 miles 
> tubeless - $125 shipped
>
>
> MAP / Ahearne Bars 610mm - $37 + shipping (should run about $8-12 dollars 
> shipping)
>
>
> Paul Long Pull Brake levers (v-brake compatible) - $70 shipped
>
>
> Microshift 10 speed MTB thumb shifters, compatible with Shimano Dynasys 
> Rear derailleurs - $40 shipped
>
>
> Brooks Ergon Grips, brown leather - $60 shipped
>
>
> Nitto 25.4 short quill stem - $25 shipped
>
>
> Smart Sam Folding Bead Tubeless Compatible 26x2.15 - $45 shipped
>
>
> Schmidt SON Seat Post Tail Light (dynamo powered), new. Decided to do 
> Compass Tail Light while getting frame modified after I got this light - 
> $65 shipped
>
>
> Carradice Camper Long Flap saddle bag, used once commuting loads of space 
> - $120 shipped
>
>
> Fairweather Half Frame Bag, XPAC Black - $55 shipped
>
>
> Road Runner Front Runner bag, attaches to mini front rack and handlebars, 
> XPAC black. Used a few times, I won’t be sorry if this doesn’t sell - $110 
> shipped
>
>
> Randi Jo Bartender Bag, Black Corduroy, used once. Got two of these, but 
> one is good for me - $30 shipped
>
>
>
> If you buy multiple things and I can cut down on shipping, I can certainly 
> pass the savings down to you.
>
>
> I'll try to get a link up with pictures when I get home, but might be 
> working on my Pelican instead (off days are hard to come by these days). 
> Shoot me a PM and I'll just email you pics from my phone. 
>

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