Re: [RBW] Re: My Debate

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Hi Rich,

I'm attempting to compile a list of RBW/iBob riders in the area. 

I don't yet have a Riv, but I have a stable of steel bikes, Bridgestone, 
Trek and Bianchi. 

Do you know Tony Scott? He just got a beautiful Terra Firma. 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:23:28 AM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>
> Very good! Nice to see more GA based Riv owners showing up here. Which 
> models do you ride? 
>
> Regards, 
> Richard 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
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> > On Dec 16, 2016, at 7:58 AM, 'Jennings' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > There are two more of us with Riv's in South Forsyth/Cumming that would 
> like to meet up.  We've been talking about doing a local ride and finishing 
> up with a Jekyl brewery tour. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Debate

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Jennings,

I lost track of your email address. My riding has been sporadic. About to 
start on knee physical therapy again, so hopefully back up to speed in a 
few weeks. 

Did a shortish 20 milers out near Milton couple of weeks ago. Traffic keeps 
getting heavier and now a developer is doing another big expanse on 
Providence west of Bham Hwy. 

What is your email? I can't recall how to make it show on on here. 

Jock Dewey is in Athens and he wants to do some rides, too, as does Rich in 
Decatur. 

Cheers,'
Bill

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 7:58:15 AM UTC-5, Jennings wrote:
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> There are two more of us with Riv's in South Forsyth/Cumming that would 
> like to meet up.  We've been talking about doing a local ride and finishing 
> up with a Jekyl brewery tour.

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[RBW] Re: bar height

[John Hawrylak]

Don

How much further are your bars above the saddle??  I have my bars 15mm 
above the saddle. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 11:55:52 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

> I have finally given in to Grant's bar height philosophy. Please forgive 
> me for my past transgressions. On my Roadeo I raised my bars slightly above 
> my saddle and I am much more comfortable and able to spin as before ( I am 
> 65 ).
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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Joe Bernard]

The thought crossed my mind when I saw the post. My personal decision was to 
buy a different pedal from the one Riv sells (I bought those pedals from Riv a 
couple weeks ago), which is something I had already discussed wanting to do 
recently. I also suggested Grant might like the super-cheap pedals VP makes, 
thinking he may want to carry them. 

So I'm not really weighing in on whether the OP was kosher or not, just 
explaining I handled the dilemma personally. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[iamkeith]

 Just my thought- nothing more.  Hard to express as gently as intended, over 
the internet and from the keyboard of a smart phone.  Definitely dont mean to 
be critical of anyone -  I'm guilty as anybody. For unrelated reasons, the 
recent talk about business struggles just strikes a chord with me.  And I kind 
of feel like a riv specific forum should be about sharing the joy and giving 
back when we can.

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[RBW] Re: Delightful Differences

[Ian A]

The illusive Quickbeam! Your account whets my appetite for one greatly. As 
much as we love and appreciate our excellent and reliable work horses, a 
thoroughbred quickens the spirit.

IanA

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 1:17:23 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> It’s been warm enough to melt the snow and ice from even the shadiest of 
> places on my back route to Woodland Park, so I’ve ridden the Quickbeam a 
> few times the last few rides. I love the delight of two completely 
> different frames with nearly identical saddle, pedal, handlebar set up, and 
> engine (grin) riding a five mile stretch of very familiar and very varied 
> trail and road. 
>
> The gift of getting to delight in the two delightfully different and 
> wonderfully similar rides is amazing. 38mm plush Compass tires v. 2.1” 
> plush Racing Ralphs, are surprisingly similar to each other yet with a 
> noticeable smoothness on asphalt and roughness on corrugated trail to the 
> Barlow’s v. the Schwalbe’s. 
>
> The Quickbeam is lively and barely contained, eager to leap forward, and 
> if I’m not mistaken has the illusive mystical plaining of spritely frames. 
> It compels me to ride wildly and simply with a flowing confidence. The 
> Hunqapillar is deliberate and sure, powerful and solid with a rumbling 
> confidence that no matter the load or the trail or road, we will get 
> through it with wild abandon and delight on the way. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick, living where we expect another batch of snow, though not so cold 
> as it’s been 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
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[RBW] bar height

[Don Compton]

I have finally given in to Grant's bar height philosophy. Please forgive me 
for my past transgressions. On my Roadeo I raised my bars slightly above my 
saddle and I am much more comfortable and able to spin as before ( I am 65 
).

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[RBW] real cyclists ride steel

[Ian A]

By "shirt" I mean jersey. It looks a lot like the rugby jerseys we wore at 
school (which we often called shirts). 

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[RBW] real cyclists ride steel

[Ian A]

That's a great shot. I have to say that I really like your shirt. Where did you 
find it?

Ian A/Canada. 

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[RBW] Re: Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Ian A]

Considering the British bits on it and the lack of cable guides for routing 
the rear brake cable, I'd guess it was likely from the 1970's, possibly 
brought over from the UK. Hard to guess the quality of the bike, but the 
lugs are quite plain, so possibly not considered high end in its day. 
 Might ride well, which would be the main thing.

Ian A.

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 10:26:53 AM UTC-7, Alex Clarke wrote:
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> Hey Guys,
>
> I was hoping someone could help me identify this bicycle I have, I have 
> been told it is a Rambouillet but I am not 100% sure or convince. Any help 
> would be amazing!
>
> (I have attached some pictures)
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> Thanks
>
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Re: [RBW] Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[James Warren]

Yes, and I'd up that to 30.


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> On Feb 11, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> I'm guessing made at least 20 years before there was a Rivendell.
> 
> 
>> On 02/11/2017 07:17 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>> Not a Rambouillet and not any other Rivendell.
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Re: [RBW] Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Steve Palincsar]

I'm guessing made at least 20 years before there was a Rivendell.


On 02/11/2017 07:17 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

Not a Rambouillet and not any other Rivendell.



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Re: [RBW] PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Patrick Moore]

One more thought. I personally would willingly consider limiting FS posts
on this list to Riv-compatible things. Dale over at Classic Rendezvous
manages to keep FS and all other posts very strictly in line with his
list's ethos, and to do it rigorously but nicely.

("Riv compatible." Either a can o' worms or a well defined category.
Listmeister?)

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'm tempted to agree, except that this isn't an official Riv website. What
> do others besides me and Keith think? And where do we draw the line? I
> would guess that selling used, Riv-approved or Riv-compatible stuff onlist
> is not *de trop?*
>
> I want to know, because I want Rivendell to succeed, and I read Grant's
> recent post about cash flow and the sad state of local bike shops and small
> retail generally.
>
> Patrick Moore, who just wrote (professionally) a bio for a woman who has
> made great success of a small town flower shop -- kudos to her!
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 6:06 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> I appreciate a good heads up as much as the next guy, but i do think we
>> need to reign in the discussions about shopping elsewhere besides Rivendell
>> - at least on this forum.  As Grant put it recently (in multiple ways and
>> places, actually), a business like theirs lives and dies with sales.
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Re: [RBW] PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Patrick Moore]

I'm tempted to agree, except that this isn't an official Riv website. What
do others besides me and Keith think? And where do we draw the line? I
would guess that selling used, Riv-approved or Riv-compatible stuff onlist
is not *de trop?*

I want to know, because I want Rivendell to succeed, and I read Grant's
recent post about cash flow and the sad state of local bike shops and small
retail generally.

Patrick Moore, who just wrote (professionally) a bio for a woman who has
made great success of a small town flower shop -- kudos to her!

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> I appreciate a good heads up as much as the next guy, but i do think we
> need to reign in the discussions about shopping elsewhere besides Rivendell
> - at least on this forum.  As Grant put it recently (in multiple ways and
> places, actually), a business like theirs lives and dies with sales.
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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Belopsky]

You know what? I disagree 100%.

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 8:06:50 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
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> I appreciate a good heads up as much as the next guy, but i do think we 
> need to reign in the discussions about shopping elsewhere besides Rivendell 
> - at least on this forum.  As Grant put it recently (in multiple ways and 
> places, actually), a business like theirs lives and dies with sales.

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Re: [RBW] real cyclists ride steel

[Patrick Moore]

Nice bike (yours; I don't care for Harleys, not that I've ridden anything
except a little Vespa), and great photo!

I like to tell motorcyclists that motorcycles are for youngsters; we old
guys ride bicycles.

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Fullylugged 
wrote:

> I wasn't on a Riv today, although this bike has some Silver brand bits,
> and the current setup is definitely riv inspired. At a store stop, another
> bike group pulled in, and they too were fans of steel bikes.
>
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[RBW] PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[iamkeith]

I appreciate a good heads up as much as the next guy, but i do think we need to 
reign in the discussions about shopping elsewhere besides Rivendell - at least 
on this forum.  As Grant put it recently (in multiple ways and places, 
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[RBW] PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[iamkeith]

I appreciate a good heads up as much as the next guy, but i do think we need to 
reign in the discussions about shopping elsewhere besides Rivendell - at least 
on this forum.  As Grant put it recently (in multiple ways and places, 
actually), a business like theirs lives and dies with sales.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Protovelo

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I believe those are white Hetres, which would make the answer yes.

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 5:34:32 PM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> What are tire clearances? 42 with a fender perchance?
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 2:26:02 PM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works Custom Protovelo, single-maker frame and fork by 
>> Mark Nobilette in dark brown paint with creme accents. 62cm (60 c-c) frame, 
>> 650B wheels, cantilever brakes. Similar to a Saluki. Selling to make space. 
>> Pedals, rack, bottle cages, light not included. Respond off post if 
>> interested or have questions. Willing to add or subtract items. Asking 
>> $2100.
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Only three more mountain mixtes remain....

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks like now there are zero mountain mixtes left, plus the Demo sold as 
well. So did the Glorius, apparently. Mixte season.

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 2:45:36 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The 54.5 cm step-thru Rosco Bubbes are down to only three left.  Medium 
> sized folks who want a mountain mixte should get one before they are gone. 
>  Look at all the tall folks complaining that the big mountain mixtes sold 
> out so fast.  You medium sized folks don't want to feel that regret.  
>
> Bill 'kinda-tempted-to-get-a-mountain-mixte' Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Fullylugged]

Not a Rambouillet and not any other Rivendell.

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[RBW] real cyclists ride steel

[Fullylugged]

I wasn't on a Riv today, although this bike has some Silver brand bits, and the 
current setup is definitely riv inspired. At a store stop, another bike group 
pulled in, and they too were fans of steel bikes.

https://flic.kr/p/QNzYaH

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[RBW] Re: Only three more mountain mixtes remain....

[Ray Varella]

So, what tires to run is the next question. 

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[RBW] PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Joe Bernard]

I got the Bauhaus pedal. I'll bet Grant would like these simple cheapy 
pedals..reflectors!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Leif Eckstrom]

Thanks, Glen. Love the Vice pedal. They have black and silver colors for 
$30. I picked up a silver pair.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Protovelo

[Daniel Jackson]

What are tire clearances? 42 with a fender perchance?

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 2:26:02 PM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Rivendell Bicycle Works Custom Protovelo, single-maker frame and fork by 
> Mark Nobilette in dark brown paint with creme accents. 62cm (60 c-c) frame, 
> 650B wheels, cantilever brakes. Similar to a Saluki. Selling to make space. 
> Pedals, rack, bottle cages, light not included. Respond off post if 
> interested or have questions. Willing to add or subtract items. Asking 
> $2100.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Daniel D.]

thanks for the heads up!

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 1:29:09 PM UTC-8, Glen wrote:
>
> Steep and Cheap has VP-001 and Vice along with some others on sale right 
> now.
>
> $33 for the 001s and $30 for the Vices
>
> There was a discussion about the Shimano A530s on here a while ago, they 
> are on sale too.
>
> www.steepandcheap.com 
>
>

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[RBW] FS: '05 58cm Red Glorius F/F/H -- Joe Bell Paint

[WETH]

Joe,
That's fate! :)
Technically a Wilbury is my rivendell holy grail, but a Glorius will do! The 
lugs are fabulous!
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] FS: '05 58cm Red Glorius F/F/H -- Joe Bell Paint

[Joe Bernard]

Well look at that. Velouria - who's my height - rode a 58cm Betty with the seat 
slammed, and it looks great. Huh!

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/popular-girl-test-riding-rivendell.html?m=1

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[RBW] PSA: VP Pedals on sale

[Glen]

Steep and Cheap has VP-001 and Vice along with some others on sale right 
now.

$33 for the 001s and $30 for the Vices

There was a discussion about the Shimano A530s on here a while ago, they 
are on sale too.

www.steepandcheap.com 

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[RBW] FS: '05 58cm Red Glorius F/F/H -- Joe Bell Paint

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya, WETH. I'd sell my Appaloosa to make this happen if I thought I could 
fit it, but my 70cm-ish seat height would probably be at zero seatpost showing. 
I remember riding a red Wilbury at RBW back in the day, and I've never quite 
gotten that bike outta my head. Those lugs!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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[RBW] WTB: Tektro R559 brakes, nutted bolt version, 55-73mm

[Leif Eckstrom]

Anybody have a used pair of these? I feel like I should give them a shot on 
at least one vintage 650b conversion. "Silver" brand would be just fine as 
well. Silver color preferred. Nutted bolt (vs. recessed) needed. 

Thanks and please respond off-list if possible at leifeckstrom "at" gmail 
"dot" com,
Leif

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[RBW] Delightful Differences

[Deacon Patrick]

It’s been warm enough to melt the snow and ice from even the shadiest of places 
on my back route to Woodland Park, so I’ve ridden the Quickbeam a few times the 
last few rides. I love the delight of two completely different frames with 
nearly identical saddle, pedal, handlebar set up, and engine (grin) riding a 
five mile stretch of very familiar and very varied trail and road.

The gift of getting to delight in the two delightfully different and 
wonderfully similar rides is amazing. 38mm plush Compass tires v. 2.1” plush 
Racing Ralphs, are surprisingly similar to each other yet with a noticeable 
smoothness on asphalt and roughness on corrugated trail to the Barlow’s v. the 
Schwalbe’s.

The Quickbeam is lively and barely contained, eager to leap forward, and if I’m 
not mistaken has the illusive mystical plaining of spritely frames. It compels 
me to ride wildly and simply with a flowing confidence. The Hunqapillar is 
deliberate and sure, powerful and solid with a rumbling confidence that no 
matter the load or the trail or road, we will get through it with wild abandon 
and delight on the way.

With abandon,
Patrick, living where we expect another batch of snow, though not so cold as 
it’s been

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[RBW] Re: FS: Protovelo

[Justin Schoop]

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 2:26:02 PM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Rivendell Bicycle Works Custom Protovelo, single-maker frame and fork by 
> Mark Nobilette in dark brown paint with creme accents. 62cm (60 c-c) frame, 
> 650B wheels, cantilever brakes. Similar to a Saluki. Selling to make space. 
> Pedals, rack, bottle cages, light not included. Respond off post if 
> interested or have questions. Willing to add or subtract items. Asking 
> $2100.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Protovelo

[Justin Schoop]

Rivendell Bicycle Works Custom Protovelo, single-maker frame and fork by 
Mark Nobilette in dark brown paint with creme accents. 62cm (60 c-c) frame, 
650B wheels, cantilever brakes. Similar to a Saluki. Selling to make space. 
Pedals, rack, bottle cages, light not included. Respond off post if 
interested or have questions. Willing to add or subtract items. Asking 
$2100.



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[RBW] WTB: Brooks C19

[Timothy Hurley]

Anyone have one laying around they'd like to sell? Thanks!

-T.J.

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[RBW] Re: Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Belopsky]

Nope, definitely not. 

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[RBW] Re: Snowy Ride Report

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome, Michael! I love how snow rides are vastly different from any other 
rides. Dampened sounds, dampened steering, harder pedaling. Drivers are far 
more aware (even if they don't have control of their vehicles -- perhaps 
because they don't!) and because of this always see me (whether thy can 
avoid me is a different question entirely! Sardonic grin) -- so my plan is 
to always be in a position to go where they won't/can't, sometimes easier 
said than done).

What a different experience riding in NY vs any of the riding I do. It was 
fun to vicariously ride along with you. Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 11:07:39 AM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> I took a nice snowy bike ride yesterday and documented it on video:
>
> https://youtu.be/B0xyW6dUSow
>
> I didn't take my Rivendell, but my bad-weather bike is pretty 
> Rivendell-esque.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> M
>

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[RBW] Re: Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Cyclofiend Jim]

For more general, non-RBW models, I'd post these to the iBob list if you 
have not already.

- Jim

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 9:26:53 AM UTC-8, Alex Clarke wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I was hoping someone could help me identify this bicycle I have, I have 
> been told it is a Rambouillet but I am not 100% sure or convince. Any help 
> would be amazing!
>
> (I have attached some pictures)
>
> Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I come down pretty solidly on the "no way" side. 

Quickest bit of data would be the lugs - those are highly pointed "can 
opener" lugs which GP always eschewed.

You should do some comparisons to this page:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/ram_08.jpg

And then roll through the Rambouillets here:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/

- J

On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 9:26:53 AM UTC-8, Alex Clarke wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I was hoping someone could help me identify this bicycle I have, I have 
> been told it is a Rambouillet but I am not 100% sure or convince. Any help 
> would be amazing!
>
> (I have attached some pictures)
>
> Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Identifying a potential 'Rivendell'

[Garth]

   It's absolutely not !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 1997 57cm Rivendell Road, Waterford-built; $1500 OBO

[Todd Fahrner]

Eh, looking again, I think 32 with fender may be *too* tight unless a funky 
bridge-interruptor type fender. So 28 is the largest I'd say OK with, say, 
VO hammered fenders.

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On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 11:31:25 AM UTC-8, Todd Fahrner wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tim, for providing detailed geometry. I confirm this is a 57cm 
> Road Standard. Prior to actually fitting said tires and fenders, it's hard 
> to say for sure what will fit, but my good-faith guess is that it will fit 
> 35s without fender, 32 with fender (tight) and 28 with fenders no problem. 
> Yes, there are eyelets.
>
> Owning a bike shop, can fit these in advance to confirm: you specify 
> tire/fender; will charge wholesale. It's got 32 Paselas on there now. 
>
> -- 
> todd
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 6:18:00 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> Here's the geometry sheets for the 1st generation Rivendell frames, 
>> including the Road Standard.  
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/#catalog5 
>> 
>>
>> Tire clearance is supposed to be up to a 700 x 35, but there seems to be 
>> some variation on this.  My '97 Road Standard 59 cm, for example, has very 
>> tight tire clearance.  A 700 x 28 barely fits, anything larger will rub.  I 
>> like it on 650 x 38 wheels, though that results in a very low BB.
>>
>> Todd, I'm curious about the tire clearance as well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>
>>> Can you provide some measurements? What's the biggest tire this will 
>>> fit? Fender mounts?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Snowy Ride Report

[alan lavine]

Hi Michael,
Nice video...where/how was the gopro mounted?  I use the same tires on my 
snow bike in Manhattan.
BTW, we missed you at the Spritzenhouse Beer Hall meeting.  Anyone up for a 
redo?

Alan
NYC

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 1:07:39 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> I took a nice snowy bike ride yesterday and documented it on video:
>
> https://youtu.be/B0xyW6dUSow
>
> I didn't take my Rivendell, but my bad-weather bike is pretty 
> Rivendell-esque.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> M
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe photos on Flickr

[MartyG]

Thanks for setting this up, I'll add my huge mixte when it comes in around 
June I expect. 


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